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Wiggy: "Are we not going to see another max guy?" Are the Celtics the first team truly impacted by the 'new NBA' and apron penalties? Are we sure Brad Stevens likes this "set-up"/philosophy? Could Brad Stevens "be on the way out"
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00:00they're not saving any money so i i don't know how you'd have to explain that to me um they
00:05are
00:06spending the same exact amount of money that they were going to spend on jaylen brown
00:10for at least the next next year and uh when it comes to the player option maybe for the next
00:17two
00:17years so i i i take him at his word that brad stevens came to him and said this is
00:23the best
00:24basketball decision for this team i you may disagree with you i don't know i yeah i completely
00:29disagree with like if brad stevens stevens believes that this is the best basketball decision for the
00:35team then that alone should i should be like i question you to have this job moving forward
00:40because it's not the best decision to to move on from jaylen brown especially for what you got back
00:46and then i would say to bill chisholm if it's not about the money well why didn't you just give
00:50janice the three-year deal that he want rather than saying all right we're only going to give him two
00:54years like right so spend the money and give janice if you believe in to mego i think you brought
00:59this
01:00point up like oh we're going to spend on guys that we consider to be you know top five players
01:06in the
01:07nba and well that's what janice is so give him that money right if give him the extra year why
01:13were
01:13you penny pinching on the extra year if that was the reason on why the deal fell through to get
01:18honest it's just brad stevens there's no way you could sit there with a with any type of um common
01:27sense and try to tell me that this was better for your basketball team yeah i think it's popular to
01:33blame the owner and say the owner is cheap that goes on a lot with every franchise in every city
01:40and
01:40certainly the ones around here but mego makes a great point where and i think you believe it where
01:47the celtics are essentially the first team that is facing the basketball related apron penalties
01:57so you you buy that as an argument when it comes to what the right thing is to do basketball
02:03wise
02:04we heard so much about the second apron when it first came in a couple years ago right i really
02:10didn't anticipate that teams were going to treat it as a hard salary cap and i think that's how we
02:15have
02:15to start thinking about it wick was on this show was it a year ago or two years ago now
02:20when he talked
02:21about teams are not going to stay in the second apron year and a half ago it was during a
02:25snow show
02:25we were out at watch usa mountain and it was shocking to everybody for two seasons yeah that's the reality
02:30and this is a team that was very much in the second apron very recently and now i think has
02:37to kind of
02:37make amends for that at this point so when i hear bill chisholm he's kind of making a promise to
02:44you
02:44the other day when he said we will spend for championships okay he's just what he's not saying
02:51is not this year and it's tough to swallow because they cut so much payroll last year but jones i
02:56was
02:57listening to jones maybe it was yesterday he doesn't buy that yeah he thinks brad stevens is on his way
03:04out because he's not gonna like this setup here so because he believes that i heard you i heard you
03:10i know exactly what you're talking about i was listening that well too as well where he believes
03:14that chisholm doesn't want to spend right we had that conversation yesterday with the whole and i was
03:22out when you guys were talking about it with the whole new potential arena so you're in this whole
03:28private equity thing and i don't really know how much how that works but you're gonna have to spend
03:33on getting out of a lease if that's something that the celtics are really interested in doing
03:38you're gonna have to spend on building a new arena and then you're also gonna have to spend
03:44on your basketball team and if you're telling me that private equity firms don't want to spend
03:53then i don't so are we not going to see another max guy to go with jason tatum and if
03:58it takes you
03:59four or five years to build this stadium or this arena how old jason tatum gonna be i think you
04:05may
04:05not see another max guy who's a top 15 player not a top five or a top 10 player like
04:11i think that's
04:12what they may have determined with this experience is that they were they were paying jalen brown more
04:19than it was worth when it comes to the uh what you got from him and so don't you blame
04:25brad stevens
04:26stevens for that you paid a guy that you believe the penalties weren't in place then no no not that
04:31maybe not the penalties but no but that's the way that that's the way the league operated then and
04:36it's different now i don't know but how are the miami heat gonna do it they're gonna pay yannis
04:41they're gonna give him the extension and they got bam out of bayou at a max contract i don't i
04:46mean
04:46uh mego and i disagree on this like i don't think the league is changing that way i think there
04:50are still
04:51going to be teams that if they want to have two max guys they're going to have two max guys
04:54and pay
04:55those guys if you're telling me well you felt like jalen was not worth 57 58 60 million dollars
05:03then why'd you give him that deal in the first place prediction bam out of bayou will not be
05:07with the heat in two years i don't i don't know exactly what his contract is right now but i
05:12think
05:13i'm not saying that two super max contracts are not going to exist on nba teams so what are you
05:17saying i'm saying that they're going to exist for a championship window of we heard it from wick
05:22gross back two years like there's there's gonna be these slim windows that they look at and say
05:28all right we're going for it there and then maybe we'll run it back and then we're gone so i
05:32look
05:32at the knicks aren't the knicks a good example well the knicks only have one yeah they only have
05:36one supermass contract that's because they got jalen brunson to take less money so okay okay that's
05:41what these guys are going to try to do whether or not there's going to be two super max contracts
05:45on a bunch of teams so so let me ask you this question mego if you believe that to be
05:50the new
05:50world of basketball if you believe that to be the new world of basketball in your opinion based on
05:56this this whole thing that's just my prediction is that we're going to sign super max contracts
06:02for guys for two guys but we're only going to keep one of those guys for two maybe three years
06:07and then
06:08we're going to try to flip them yeah all right all right we'll have to wait and see if that's
06:12kind
06:13of how the the you'll you'll have one so then you'll have one and then i guess what will happen
06:17is
06:18this they'll sign another super max guy and then in a couple years they'll flip jason tatum
06:22maybe and i don't want them to do that but that's what but that's what you're telling me that that's
06:27a possibility yeah but that totally is a possibility what if they next season are they have after this
06:34season not this upcoming one the next one when they have paul george's a rental yep minnesota
06:38is looking at themselves and it's a total catastrophe out there they're tearing it down and they need to
06:44dump anthony edwards right anthony edwards demands a trade out of there right so they're they're
06:48saying we'll take part of the paul george salary because he's a rental and then we can rebuild
06:53go into the lottery and all that right then you have anthony edwards for two years jason tatum or
06:58two years three max maybe and then they're gonna flip in the world who knows your opinion world then
07:04they're gonna flip tatum because they can't have two max guys for longer than three years flip tatum that
07:09they would flip whoever they brought in again but wiki i don't know i'm just trying to
07:13predict what it's gonna look like sure that jason are you i don't know what's up your mic just went
07:18yeah i know i don't know why are you so sure that jason tatum is gonna want to be here
07:23in another
07:24couple years i ain't i'm not i mean i think he's gonna want to be a free agent and see
07:29what he can
07:29get elsewhere i would hope that they would make it an environment that's more like steph curry with
07:34the warriors i know you can't play that way with money under this new cba but i would hope that
07:40they
07:40would make it an environment like that where it's like hey it's steph's team at the end of the day
07:46and he's sticking with them but in your world though in your world if it's if the money thing is
07:50the
07:50issue the only reason why they were able to do that with steph curry is because they didn't care
07:54about spending money and they brought guys in that's what i just said they can't play with money
07:58like they used to in golden state and i feel like well jason tatum will do what every what we
08:02saw
08:03janice do what we see you know potentially i know the joker has said he wants to stick around and
08:08he's going to wait for his deal for 2027 but these guys get to a point and they start to
08:13look around
08:14and go i can't win a championship with this team i need and then they start demanding a trade so
08:19i
08:20wouldn't be shocked if jason tatum did that in two years if he felt like well wait a second your
08:25penny
08:25pinching on everything you don't want to bring in another max guy i mean i can only carry a team
08:30so far
08:30and i want out i want to go someplace to have a legitimate chance to win another championship or
08:35two before my career's over yeah i'm just not ready to call bill chisholm disingenuous yet when
08:42he stands up there and says uh the only mission we have is to win and we are willing to
08:47spend whatever
08:48it takes to win a championship being in the room i thought he looked green to the gills like what
08:53i
08:53thought like i mean like i thought he looked miserable well he said that he didn't look like he
08:58like he had masterminded this plan no to trade jalen brown and he was so happy about the money
09:03he said he said he had to be convinced about it that's because i don't think anybody wants to buy
09:09the boston celtics and trade away jalen brown the year after you buy it i i'm sure that's not
09:17what he thought he was going to do or what he wanted to do i don't think he's driving it
09:21and that's
09:22why i think that i also said that brad stevens could be on the hot seat because
09:25if he's right did he look like he's on the hot seat it looked it looked like this it looked
09:31like
09:32an owner was saying um and i and i can't remember how exactly he said he said i'll do whatever
09:37it
09:38takes money wise to to get players something along those lines and the president of basketball
09:45operations or whatever brad stevens um title is said it was about money and the owner saying it's
09:51not about money so you're basically he didn't say it was about money he said these looking at these
09:58two particular players right and having 70 percent of your salary locked up
10:06excuse me having 70 percent of your salary locked up in them right is not a winning strategy here
10:14currently right now i think the disconnect that people are getting twisted up about
10:19is what the celtics are trying to communicate is we will spend in the future right and people are
10:25saying then why are you talking about what it means to have these big salaries on your contract
10:31on your and i think what what rightly bothers wiggy and others who are upset by this is the return
10:38that you got from jalen brown not so much that you made the trade i maybe it bothers you also
10:43that
10:43you made the trade no i'm i'm fine with the trade but it's the return that you got that's what
10:47you're bothered by yeah but you also have to look about the look at the interest that the league did
10:53or did not have in jalen brown and i and listen that's not the celtics fault here's okay i'm fine
11:01with that but what is the celtics fault and i'm only basing it off the reports that are out there
11:07and this goes back to chisholm if it isn't about the money and i would have asked this question if
11:12i was
11:13there i would have said why didn't you then give yannis the three years that he wanted you were
11:21willing to give him two if it's not about the money what's the problem on giving him that extra
11:26year because guess what if you gave him the three years and you traded jalen brown for yannis
11:31i'm listen i am sitting here with a huge smile on my face i am a happy camper so if
11:38it's not about
11:39the money then why didn't you get him i can promise you they wouldn't have answered that
11:43they would not have answered that in that press conference but you're telling me it's not about
11:47money so what's one extra year for yannis it's about to them optionality optionality optionality
11:55that that's what i would have asked them i mean i i there's a lot of people who say uh
12:01greg wake up
12:02why are you defending stop sticking up for this owner it's a it's clear as day he was lying through
12:07his
12:07teeth i mean i just don't i'm sorry i don't accept that uh as fact i don't i don't i
12:14just i would
12:15disagree greg let me ask you this when they say well we don't want 70 percent of the money tied
12:23up
12:23into two players isn't that they're talking about the money on this basketball team and how they're
12:30trying to construct it wiki what jumped out to me too was usage they don't want money tied up in
12:35two
12:35guys who play the same position like they they they see for years it's been hey can jason and jalen
12:43play together because they're wings right together so maybe it's just these particular two guys and
12:50i'm not talking about their relationship i get what you're saying i'm talking about the basketball
12:53side of it and on top of hey the rest of the league has told us that jalen brown is
12:59maybe at best
13:00a top 15 player and he's a super max it's also for those who argue they're going to spend the
13:06same
13:06amount of money this season next season whatever depending on what paul george decides like it's not
13:12about the next two seasons it's about jalen brown and the extension that he was going to want in a
13:19month not even the end of this month end of this month and and committing that money going forward to
13:25a player that analytics and other things told you was not the right fit but you didn't have to give
13:31him that money though i don't i don't get why we're even worried about the extension you had him for
13:35you had him listen mego stop you had him for at least two years if you wanted him it had
13:43nothing
13:43to do with the extension if you didn't want to give him the extension you would say hey listen
13:47we're you could have a conversation with him brad tells us he's transparent his doors always open
13:52we tried to trade you for yannis it didn't happen you're up for an extension july 27th we're not
13:57giving you that we're excited to have you back on the team can you just well not we're excited to
14:02be
14:02a good guy are you gonna be are you gonna be happy with that well not that he's excited to
14:06be back but
14:07hey guess what we'll make it work and then we'll figure it out next year don't tell me what's about
14:11the extension because every year that you build another bridge jason tatum gets older i agree and that
14:19window of championship starts to close and close and close and close and close
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