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Wait... Could Brad Stevens and the Celtics deal for Giannis, without having to trade Jaylen Brown?! Curtis: "What are we doing? Why are we wasting air time with that." What are your thoughts? Non-starter? Realistic?
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00:00I don't understand some narratives and they make me irrationally angry.
00:04I was listening to Rich, Ken, and Ted yesterday, and Ken, by the way, said the Celtics live
00:10and die by the three, and I had never heard that.
00:13So stick tap to you.
00:15Wait, what was it again?
00:17They live and die by the three ball.
00:19By the three.
00:20Let's talk about the three point shot.
00:22Correct.
00:22Very interesting.
00:23Write that down.
00:25Yeah.
00:26They ought to call that Missoula ball if it's not taken.
00:29Right.
00:29So anyway, that stopped me in my tracks.
00:31Yeah.
00:32However, the real narrative that bothers me is that Brad should try and get Giannis while
00:38retaining Jalen Brown.
00:41If you think Jalen is mad now, wait until Giannis is here.
00:44Like, what are we doing?
00:46Why are we wasting airtime with that?
00:49A, they won't do it.
00:50And B, Jalen would be enraged.
00:52Like, what are we talking about?
00:54I don't.
00:54Why do we do it?
00:55Why?
00:55Does anybody believe that they should do that?
00:57That they will do that?
00:58That Jalen Brown would be happy if Giannis was here as well?
01:01No.
01:02Well...
01:02Okay.
01:02I don't...
01:03Go ahead.
01:04Oh, I just don't...
01:06I think it's a non-starter.
01:07I'm surprised that's a conversation because of the finances.
01:10But even if everything was happening, do you think that Jalen Brown would be happy if
01:13Giannis came with Tatum?
01:14Jalen has said on record he feels Giannis is a child.
01:18Right.
01:18Okay, so what are we doing?
01:19Why don't we spend a nanosecond on that?
01:21Why?
01:22No.
01:23I just...
01:25It's...
01:25Financially, Bill Chisholm is never going to do it.
01:27He's not going to pay three max, guys.
01:29No way.
01:29I don't think anybody could do that.
01:30No way.
01:30No way.
01:30You're talking about north of $50 million for three players.
01:34I don't think there's any owner in the NBA that could do that.
01:38I don't...
01:38I don't think so.
01:39No, I don't think you'll ever see three super...
01:42We're talking super max players, so I don't think you would ever see any owner doing that,
01:47let alone Bill Chisholm.
01:48The reason why the Celtics, I believe, led by Brad Stevens, are interested in Giannis
01:53and moving on from Jalen is because they need to change the approach they have on offense.
01:58And this forces Missoula's hand.
02:01I don't think Brad Stevens wants to fire Missoula.
02:03We've seen that.
02:04But a big part of the reason why they have failed three or four years is because they've
02:09become overly reliant on shooting a three instead of actively engaging in what the game
02:13specifically represents.
02:14And so, if you get Giannis, you get a guy here who is going to change the manner in which
02:20you approach offense, and it will get rid of the abscessed tooth of Jalen Brown, who's
02:24always bothered by something.
02:26Yeah.
02:26Somebody was at the dentist.
02:28Abscessed tooth.
02:29Are you surprised that Jason Tatum has not come out publicly and said anything about
02:37Jalen Brown?
02:37I mean, they're best friends, so it's really...
02:39I mean, they've never...
02:40Yeah, I don't think...
02:41No one's ever said they were best friends.
02:42I'm just asking, like...
02:43No, I'm not surprised.
02:44If he did that, it could theoretically put all this to rest, right?
02:48Like, if Jason Tatum were to say, hey, I love the guy, he loves me, we love playing
02:53together, that could put all of the talk and the whispers and everything to rest.
02:58No, that wouldn't put it to rest because the trade rumors would still be out there.
03:02If Brad Stevens came out and said that, then you could...
03:04So Brad Stevens is going to ignore what Jason Tatum is saying?
03:07I don't think so.
03:09Like, I don't think so.
03:11I think if he feels like he's going to do what's best for the team, I think he definitely
03:15goes to Jason and wants input.
03:17Do you think it's important for Tatum to be discussed publicly as untouchable?
03:22To him?
03:23Yes.
03:23Yes, I do.
03:24Particularly after this injury and coming back.
03:27Tatum doesn't...
03:28Tatum has never spoken out about a front office move, though.
03:31Like, I understand, I heard Jones and Keefe talking about this yesterday, and I agree
03:35that, like, Tatum has enough power as a superstar where he could, maybe behind the scenes, make
03:41his feelings known.
03:42But he has...
03:44He's not the type of guy who would ever, like, flex on what he wants in the public.
03:48Right.
03:49And I don't think...
03:49I think in this situation, I don't know, just as an outsider looking in, I don't think
03:55Jason Tatum, it even...
03:57It would bother him whether he's playing with Jalen Brown next year or Giannis.
04:01I also wonder, like, people do make a big deal out of...
04:04Giannis works with Drew Hanlon, who is the same skills coach that Tatum works with.
04:09Okay.
04:09Drew Hanlon also works with...
04:11A million other guys.
04:12He works with a lot...
04:13Exactly.
04:13He works with a lot of guys around the league.
04:14I'm not saying that's not a connection, but, like...
04:17That's the local guy, right?
04:19No, he's from St. Louis.
04:20Oh, okay.
04:21Yeah, but they've been together since Jason was, like, in eighth grade.
04:24Yeah, so...
04:24All right, Curtis, thank you.
04:26Meggo's lead coming up.
04:28Oh, um...
04:30You guys know I haven't been, like, 100% in on Giannis.
04:33I believe that the reports coming from Bill Simmons and from Kevin O'Connor and these guys
04:39who are super tied in with the team...
04:41Well, Bill Simmons had the guy who most recently coached Giannis, Doc Rivers, on his podcast,
04:47and this just came out last night.
04:48He asked...
04:49Well, I'll just let Bill ask the question.
04:51But what am I trading for if I'm getting him?
04:54Because I don't know if you're aware, but...
04:56I've heard.
04:56...the Boston Celtics are one of the possible teams.
04:58Yeah, I've heard.
04:59I've heard.
05:00Well, you're getting a rejuvenated, healthy Giannis.
05:04Is it a healthy or hopefully healthy?
05:06No, he's healthy.
05:06And I also think this will be his first time in four years not having your basketball.
05:12So you think you get Giannis, these next two years would be the years you have to cash in on.
05:17Yeah, he's got to be...
05:18He's so motivated.
05:19You know, it's not like he's not always, but he's just motivated.
05:22He wants to win another title.
05:25Okay.
05:25So on the surface, you've got to love everything that you're hearing there.
05:29Hey, he's going to be totally healthy, even though he only played 36 games last year.
05:33He had a hyperextended knee.
05:34He is so motivated to win another title.
05:37And I feel a little bit like Adam Jones here because I heard him saying this yesterday.
05:42But if he's so motivated to win another title, then why is he looking at Miami?
05:46Because that doesn't really make sense to me.
05:47I'm sorry, but maybe I have a little bit of a bias.
05:50But if you're looking at Miami, 80% of the time, it's because you want to live on the water
05:54and be in beautiful weather with some of the best restaurants in the country.
05:57And pay no taxes.
05:57That doesn't exactly – the setup down there when they're sending away a quarter of the roster of their best
06:05players and begging to hold on to Bam Adebayo to pair with Giannis does not equal somebody who is going
06:11to be coming out of the East, in my opinion.
06:14Now, I don't want to, like, paint myself into a little green teamer mousetrap corner of being like everything works
06:21out for the Celtics.
06:22If he said instead of Miami, I want to go to the Celtics because I think I have a three
06:27- to four-year window and to win another championship, the best shot is there, then I would buy it.
06:32But all these reports coming out that he wants to go to Miami, like, that to me doesn't spell, hey,
06:38my main focus is on a championship.
06:41I mean, do you have any concern about that, Wiggy?
06:43No.
06:44I mean, like, listen, the weather stinks here.
06:47The traffic stinks here.
06:48If you had the two – if the two were in front of you, where you want to live, where
06:53you want to work, you would pick Miami.
06:54But I think he probably looks at it and goes, oh, me and Bam Adebayo playing together, we can be
07:00a legitimate contender.
07:02Because I don't think –
07:03You don't think he looks at it, though?
07:05Meggo's point is he doesn't look at it and say me and Jason Tatum playing together, we can be a
07:09legitimate –
07:09He's got to look at Jason Tatum and say that's a better complimentary match.
07:13It is, but I don't think he looks like – you make it sound like he's looking at Miami and
07:17going, oh, Miami is trash.
07:19They're like the Washington Wizards.
07:21I'm not saying that, but there's not a comparison right now.
07:24He would have to think that Pat Riley is going out there and making another move and maybe another move
07:30on top of that after getting out.
07:31Well, that's probably –
07:32And that's putting a lot of faith in that front office.
07:34But that's probably what he might be thinking is that not only would Pat Riley be willing to do that,
07:39but you would get players to be like, oh, I want to go to Miami and play.
07:43So when he says – but he's also saying – or at least this is the – I don't know
07:49if the whispers are true, but he's also saying –
07:51There's an ice cream museum in Miami.
07:53I would love to play in Boston.
07:54Yes.
07:55Like he's not saying I don't want to –
07:56But the reports, like Wynhorse had a report yesterday that his focus is on Miami.
08:01Like he wants Miami, and his agent is coming to the table with these different teams, and Miami is the
08:07push.
08:07But do you believe that?
08:08From Brian Wynhorse?
08:09I don't care from whoever.
08:11Yeah, okay.
08:11Chad Ocho Cinco said –
08:12Chad Ocho Cinco said he bought a house there.
08:14Yeah, but do you believe that?
08:16Yeah.
08:16So then why isn't the deal been done?
08:18And if they've been trying to do this for months –
08:20Because the Bucs don't want what Miami's giving, and they're trying to bring a third team into it.
08:25And third teams are looking at it and going –
08:27The market for Tyler Hero and Jaime Hackens Jr. is not what you guys think it is.
08:31So then to make my point is he might want to go there, but Milwaukee's just not going to send
08:38them.
08:39They're going to send them to the best place.
08:41This is not about whether or not the Boston can get him.
08:43It's whether I'm listening to Doc Rivers and believing, hey, Giannis is all about a championship right now.
08:48And I believe that.
08:49Like I don't – like your thing on Giannis, and it's different for you and I,
08:53you like think Giannis is going to completely fall off the cliff next year.
08:56Not next year.
08:57I said I think that you are signing him to a four-year extension.
09:02Your window with him is maybe two to three years with Jason Tatum.
09:05So let me ask you this question, and I'll ask the room this question.
09:07Let's say it's three years with Giannis.
09:09Okay, that's the upside.
09:11All right, so let's say it's two years with Giannis.
09:14Okay.
09:15It's two years with Giannis.
09:17That means it's going to be two years with Jalen Brown.
09:20Who's going to be the better player in the next two years?
09:22Well, no, I think two years with Jalen Brown, you're possibly – I don't know if you'd sign him to
09:26another extension.
09:27That's my point.
09:28So let's keep it in the two-year window.
09:29You have Giannis for two years and you have Jalen for the next two years.
09:32But you have to include Tatum with this.
09:34No, I know that.
09:35Tatum and Giannis is much better than Tatum and Brown.
09:36But I know that that's what I'm saying.
09:38For the next two years, it's Tatum, Giannis, or Tatum, Brown.
09:42Who do you feel like is going to get you more?
09:44Can I – look, I am a double-that-you-know person.
09:48Tatum and Brown have won a championship before.
09:51Even before building the super team, they went to the Eastern Conference Finals again and again and again.
09:57They did that when they didn't even have Kyrie and Gordon Hayward with them when we thought that that was
10:01a championship window.
10:03So I'm not ready to give up on those two guys together.
10:05Can I just get something on the table, Mago?
10:07When this deal is done, you can't say they're a much better team.
10:11Okay.
10:11Because you've been middling it.
10:12You're telling me what I can and can't say.
10:13Well, you're saying that you wouldn't do the deal.
10:15Okay. No. All right. I'll listen.
10:17Like, either they're better with Giannis and Tatum or they're better with Jalen and Jason.
10:21I'll listen.
10:22But he's making a point, Mago.
10:23I'll remember what I can and can't say.
10:25Are they better with Jalen and Jason or better with Jason and Giannis?
10:30Well, I'm also not going to sit here and say they're better before the season starts.
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