00:00I don't know, you know, you can, we can sit here and parse out what's a bigger factor.
00:05The 70% of, uh, salary going to two guys or the optionality or, or whatever, but a factor
00:13of it has got to be the decline in the relationship between the two of them, which I think began
00:21with, with Jalen Brown telling you that he had his favorite season in the NBA without
00:26his, uh, Batman.
00:28I, I, you know, and they go, I know you're going to push back on me about it.
00:32That's fine.
00:32But I, it's just, um, it's, it's, it's a, it's a big part of it.
00:37It has to be.
00:37So the decline in the relationship that you're referencing, is that the same as the Shamsh
00:42Rania report that came out yesterday?
00:44Yes.
00:45Is that in, they said it?
00:46I don't want to step on it.
00:46Yes, it is.
00:47It's in, they said it.
00:48Okay.
00:48So this idea that on the court, they're very functional together.
00:52They make each other better off the court.
00:54They live completely different lives.
00:57Yep.
00:57But like, is that totally new to anybody?
00:59Nope.
01:00So I, I feel like that's not really surprising.
01:05If you look at the two guys' lifestyles, other than being on the same NBA team, they
01:10couldn't be more different.
01:11Right.
01:12Tatum's a father of two who basically hangs out with his mom and plays golf and his
01:16kids.
01:17And Jalen Brown is somebody who is an activist in the community and going out and holding
01:23these programs at MIT and then streaming in his free time with all his streamer buddies.
01:28Like it does, maybe, maybe five years ago, they were more in a similar place, even when
01:34Tatum was the father of a young son in Deuce.
01:37But that doesn't surprise me.
01:39Right.
01:39Now, if Jason Tatum went to Bill Chisholm or Brad Stevens and said, this is going to be
01:46an enormous problem.
01:47If you trade Jalen Brown, that's going to screw everything up for me.
01:51Yeah.
01:51I think that would have changed the calculation.
01:52So I'm not saying that Jason Tatum didn't have any weight in this whole big picture.
02:00But if you're telling me like Jason Tatum was the guy who was behind this trade, I don't
02:06believe that at all.
02:07Yeah.
02:07I don't believe that Jason Tatum was the catalyst behind this trade.
02:10I agree with you, Mago.
02:11I think the issue, when we know their personalities were completely different, right?
02:17Just their lifestyles.
02:18Yeah, their lifestyles, their personalities from the very beginning.
02:21I think the issue that, I don't want to say we created, but they created the Celtics,
02:28was the fact that even though it might not have been consciously, they were creating them
02:38two, pitting them two against each other.
02:40A rivalry.
02:41Yes.
02:42In the sense of like, all right, Jason Tatum is here.
02:46Jalen Brown is here.
02:47We need you to do this, Jalen.
02:49And Jalen felt like a certain way.
02:51Like, I think he felt like disrespected.
02:53And we know that because he says it at times where like.
02:56Sacrifice.
02:56Him and I.
02:57For years.
02:58Right.
02:58He talked about sacrifice.
02:59We're not, you know, on an equal playing field when it came to the way we were both
03:04treated.
03:04And I think that was more the organizational organizations doing than the relationship
03:10that they had.
03:11Because if you ask Brad Stevens or anybody else who was connected to the Celtics, hey, whose
03:18team is this?
03:19They instantly say it's Jason Tatum's team.
03:21They didn't.
03:22They never said that publicly.
03:23No, no, no.
03:23But that was like, Mago, they don't have to say it for us to know it.
03:28Right?
03:29Sometimes you, people don't have to say words for you to know how they feel.
03:33Right?
03:33I don't, I think that's you casting your own aspersions on what you think is going on.
03:38So when you looked at this basketball team, in your opinion, who do you felt that they
03:44looked at as this is their team?
03:47Well, you got to say Jason Tatum because they just traded Jalen Brown.
03:50But that's my point.
03:51They showed you that Jason Tatum was who they saw as the generational player.
03:56That's my point.
03:57And that's all I'm saying where Jalen Brown looked at it and goes, wait a second, I'm
04:01finals MVP.
04:02I'm Eastern Conference MVP.
04:04Why am I not on the same level as that?
04:07That's where it all started.
04:08So, and they might not, they might not have spoke those words out of their mouths, but
04:13you could tell based on their actions and the way that they did things, that's kind of where
04:18the rift started in this relationship or in this, this, how they, how you would say them
04:24playing together.
04:25Does it bother you that they didn't have a close friendship off the court?
04:29No, no.
04:30Because as a, you know, as somebody who played in the NFL and played professionally, you're
04:34not always going to hang out and be buddy, buddy with guys that you're your teammates.
04:37Like, you know, the people think that because your teammates, everybody's sitting around,
04:42you know, singing Kumbaya and we're all at the backyard around a fire pit and, you know,
04:47playing.
04:48But you keep talking about the relationship off the court.
04:51That's not necessarily what Shams is reporting.
04:54He's reporting.
04:55Shams said off the court.
04:56He said the relationship, he said, it was non-existent.
04:58He said the relationship changed though in the last year.
05:01Yes.
05:02So he said in the last year it was non-existent.
05:04Okay.
05:04So does that have to do with the injury?
05:06Does that have to do with Jalen?
05:08Well, now you're making excuses.
05:09The injury?
05:10Like, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's what changed in the last year.
05:13What was different between them and the last year?
05:15What changed in the last year was that Jalen Brown felt like this is my opportunity to be
05:19the alpha and to finally get the recognition I deserve and to be the guy who is mentoring
05:26the young guys and the guy who's leading this team and the shadow of Jason Tatum.
05:33Um, we're, we're saying the same thing because of Tatum didn't like that.
05:37Nobody likes that injury because he was out with the injury.
05:40It doesn't matter why it was like their relationship changed over the last year.
05:44I think it matters what it was.
05:45It was an injury that took Jason Tatum out for almost the entire year.
05:49And he talked at length about how insecure he was about if he's coming back the same
05:54or not.
05:54And the thing about it, he probably was around, but he probably wasn't very vocal.
05:58Like he probably stayed off to, you know, stayed off to the side, did his training.
06:02And I'm talking about Jason Tatum because of the injury, you know, where it was like,
06:06he probably felt like, uh, segregated from the team because of this injury where everybody's
06:12still playing, they're practicing together and that kind of thing.
06:15So I, but I've always looked at their relationship off the court as being a little bit, I don't
06:20want to use the word strain because that means you had a relationship and then it broke apart.
06:24I just look at them that they're just two different people.
06:28They live two different lifestyles and that's how they were off the court.
06:31They weren't the guys.
06:32I mean, think about, we've seen Jalen Brown have a party.
06:35Um, one of his birthday parties and Tatum wasn't there.
06:38Like they weren't the type of guys that you saw like, oh, they were always hanging out.
06:42They're having dinner together.
06:43Like, that's just not who they were.
06:45And so I, it, for me, it's not shocking that off the court that's, you know, people will
06:50start saying, well, they didn't have this great relationship.
06:52Well, that's just not who they were.
06:54Yeah.
06:54All right.
06:55Well, we will get to what Jalen Brown said coming up during, they said it in just a couple
06:59of minutes.
07:00I brought up, uh, one of my leads this morning, which was why was Joe Missoula not at the press
07:06conference?
07:07Somebody immediately texted in and said, who cares?
07:09Why, why, why should he be there?
07:11I would have liked for a basketball question to be asked of Joe Missoula.
07:16I would have liked it to be asked to Brad Stevens.
07:18Um, and that is, you know, how does this change when it comes to Jalen Brown affect the way
07:25this team is going to approach things, uh, from the offensive side of the basketball.
07:30And I would have liked to hear Joe Missoula weigh in on this decision.
07:35I'm sure that it does the texter or do others believe that Joe Missoula was not informed
07:41about this or had not had no say in a major change to your, the personnel on your basketball
07:47team.
07:47I didn't, I didn't see the text, so I don't know, but I would hope that your head coach
07:51who just won coach of the year is in the loop.
07:54Yeah.
07:54So why wouldn't, why wouldn't he be there?
07:56Why isn't he a part of it?
07:57I don't know.
07:58That's a good question.
07:59I, I, but knowing Brad and I said, and I was saying this, like, I think Brad, you know,
08:04he'll fib to us and people will, will say, no, he doesn't know.
08:08So he's, he's lied to us.
08:09And I think with, even with this trade, I think Missoula was in the loop for Giannis
08:15Tatum was in the loop for Giannis, but I think Brad Stevens did not tell them anything
08:21about them potentially pivoting off to Paul George.
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