00:00I am open to any idea that prevents me from watching Shador Sanders play quarterback on
00:05Sundays. I would rather poke myself in the eyeballs repeatedly than watch him try to play
00:10quarterback at the NFL level. I think that's an insanely hot take. It's not. Yes. He was
00:15statistically one of the worst quarterbacks that we've ever seen. Yeah, and I think I've heard
00:18everyone pirate that take, and the truth is... It's not pirating when it's actually true. Yeah,
00:23but I'm sorry, parroting it. There, that's a different one. Everyone has said it, and then
00:28you actually put on the tape, he really wasn't as bad as the stats say he was. Yes, he was.
00:33He made
00:33a couple of plays downfield with his arm. Not a couple. Every now and then, he extended plays.
00:39He was terrible. He had more interceptions than touchdowns. He had a terrible EPA per play,
00:45terrible success rate, terrible completion percentage over expected. He was one of the
00:51worst players that played quarterback in the NFL last year, and the only reason why he looked good
00:56is because you were comparing him to Dylan Gabriel. And you were comparing him to Joe
01:00Gabriel. I'm sorry, Joe Gabriel. Joe Flacco, who struggled in the same offense. Who looked
01:05worse. I'm sorry. Looked as bad, if you want to go that way, in the same offense.
01:09Has no feel for pressure. None. Whatsoever. Disagree.
01:13None. I disagree with the no. I disagree with the absolutes. Holds on to the ball too long.
01:18Tries to make the big play. Did you see the offensive line he was playing with?
01:22Did you see the skill players he was playing with? Always the offensive line. Always the
01:26skill players. Not always. Not always. Never the guy. In this one. Never the guy just not being good
01:30enough. You literally said yesterday that it's the worst playmaker room in the NFL. It is.
01:37And that's what you're holding him accountable for? No, not at all. He couldn't elevate those guys?
01:41I'm evaluating him, and that's the hard thing about a disastrous situation like the Browns,
01:46is that you evaluate each thing independent of the other stuff, which is difficult. Of course,
01:52it's difficult. But if you do that with Shador Sanders, you see one of the worst quarterbacks
01:57that you've ever seen. And he was a fifth-round pick, and he was like, I just, you cannot convince
02:02me that he was put in a good situation, and he didn't make hay. I wouldn't say that he was.
02:06That he didn't make hay compared to everything else. He also happened to be on teams that won games
02:12going three and four and seven games. I never said. That was more competitive than what Dylan
02:16or Joe did the previous, sorry, 10 games. That's the mark? Be better than Dylan Gabriel and Joe
02:24Flacco? Yes, in that scenario, with a head coach that's about to get fired? No, it's how do you
02:28stack up to the other quarterbacks in the NFL? That's the question. Put, name me another quarterback
02:33that would have been better last year in that, name me like, give me like an, give me like a
02:38Baker Mayfield. Matt Jones would have been better. I don't, I don't think so at all. In that situation.
02:41No, look at the last time Matt Jones was in that situation. It was the year before they
02:47drafted Drake May, and there's a reason they were able to draft Drake May. They were a three-win
02:50team with Matt Jones that year. Yes, and it wasn't all him. Team, team record. Oh, wait,
02:56wait, wait. So now it's a team record, but not with Shador? I'm not saying anything about
02:59Shador. I'm talking about his performance. I'm not talking about what he did from a win-loss
03:04perspective. I'm not talking about all of those things that you're talking about. I'm talking
03:08about his performance. His performance specifically. That's it. Wait, who's?
03:14Mac? Shador's. I'm sorry, I lost the plot there. One of the worst that we've seen.
03:18Yeah, I, I don't think that the actual... That's what I'm saying. Independent of the other stuff.
03:22I don't think that you can't. Yes, you can. When you have an offensive line that is non-functional,
03:27you have a offense, a system that is non-functional. You have Jerry Judy moping on the sidelines and
03:35causing issues, and that's supposed to be your best wide receiver. And by that time,
03:39Quinshawn was hurt. Like, I, listen, I'm, I'm not... I'm not saying that he needed to elevate
03:44everything around him as a rookie. I'm just evaluating his performance with those circumstances
03:51attached to it. And I don't... And his performance was one of the worst quarterbacks that we've seen.
03:56And I don't have a problem with you saying that. I have a problem with you saying I'd rather
04:01gouge things into my eyeballs than watch Shador play. I don't think that's fair to Shador
04:06or the situation or the fact that I think him having a offseason is big for him. I think the
04:14fact that they have improved every single thing around him. I think you, if this year it looks
04:19exactly the same, then you were right and I was wrong. I would be beyond shocked if it looks exactly
04:25the same it did in the final seven games of last year. You can tell me any realistic quarterback
04:31option out there. And it doesn't mean that these options that you would come up with are great.
04:36But you can give me any realistic one. You can give me Mac Jones. You can give me any other
04:43one
04:43that you consider realistic. And I would say that that is a better option than watching Shador
04:47Sanders play quarterback for the Browns. Three months ago. Sorry, not even three months ago,
04:51like six weeks ago. Kyler Murray would have been a better option. Oh, by the way, I agreed. I wanted
04:55Kyler here. But I think there's a difference of going to the degree that you're going to. I'm fine
05:00with having concerns about Shador. I'm just talking about how he performed as a rookie. That's all I'm
05:03saying. And I think my thing is, I don't think everybody agrees. Like, I do think, like, you can still
05:10think he was bad last year, just not to the degree that I think you think he was bad last
05:14year. Every stat
05:15will tell you. I don't care about the stats. Oh, that's convenient. Well, no, no, no. Now you
05:20don't care about the stats. But when you were talking about Harold Fannin being a top five
05:24tight end, all you cared about were the stats. In a seven game sample size, at the end of the
05:30season, with all the things we just talked about, I am going to, oh, by the way, rookie
05:34fifth round pick that shouldn't have seen the field last year, I'm going to throw those stats
05:38out if that's the only argument you have. Like, if you listen to football dudes, they say
05:44the stats don't match up with the actual tape. That doesn't mean he was John Elway. But
05:50if you just want to throw them away because of stats, I can throw any quarterback in the
05:53NFL away, including Mac Jones' last year in New England, because of the stats. Although
05:57you can't to the level of Shador, because we haven't seen it before, to that level. That
06:02level of bad. It's one of the worst in history. You've repeated it. I know what people say
06:07and have said repeatedly. So there are levels to this. His stats, his stats are very, very
06:15different than anyone else that you could come up with. Cam Ward, Mac Jones. Oh, you mean
06:19the number one pick in the draft? Whoever else you're talking about. And by the way, Mac
06:23Jones, oh, you mean San Francisco last year or the last time we saw Mac start before that?
06:27It doesn't matter. That level of bad, Mac Jones is still better than. By the way, Sam
06:32Darnold was statistically. That level of bad, Baker Mayfield, still better than. By the
06:35way, I can find a season where Sam Darnold was statistically one of the five worst quarterbacks
06:40in the NFL. Same thing. And that was like four years into the NFL. Same thing with Baker
06:44Mayfield. And again, my point is not that I don't see your point. It is I think you're
06:48being incredibly hyperbolic. Not at all. The numbers are the numbers. The numbers are
06:54the numbers. And the tape is the tape. Okay. And what did you see on tape that was good
07:00from Shador? He makes plays. The couple of plays that he made every now and then throughout
07:05the course of a game? It's not every now and then. We're talking about a significant
07:09amount of plays in a game that kept you in games and won you games. So he made a couple
07:13of plays each game. That's not enough for a starting quarterback in the NFL. For a tryout,
07:19yes, it was. No. Go back and watch Jalen Hurts' four games in 2020 that he got, and that's
07:24not a statistically pretty attempt. But he made enough plays that it gave them the chance
07:28to carry him over the next year and give him a full year. He played better than, no
07:34matter who you bring up, they are going to have better numbers and they would have played
07:40better than Shador.
