00:00The wildest story that has come out of the NFL in quite some time happened to Lions cornerback Terry and
00:07Arnold,
00:07who was arrested and has actually turned himself in for attempted, not attempted, for robbery and kidnapping
00:16over a previous robbery that happened to Terry and Arnold.
00:21And so when Mary Kay Cabot was on with the Morning Boys and Jason today,
00:27they asked her if the Browns could move Denzel Ward to the Lions, assuming Terry and Arnold won't be there
00:35this year.
00:35The Miles Garrett trade makes certain that no one is completely off limits and that everyone has a price
00:41and that there's a time and a place for everything.
00:44But I really don't see the Browns having any desire whatsoever to trade Denzel Ward.
00:50Now, of course, having said that, and like I said back when you asked me about Miles Garrett,
00:54you can never say never about any of these things.
00:57You know, you're not going to trade someone until someone comes along and offers you Jared Burst
01:02and a first-round pick and a second-round pick and a third-round pick.
01:05So you can never say never.
01:07We know that Andrew Barry loves to wheel and deal.
01:09But at this moment in time, I don't think that they have any plans whatsoever to trade Denzel Ward.
01:14I would say, on top of what Mary Kay says, I bet you the Lions let this one breathe for
01:20about a month or two
01:21to see if Terry and Arnold is just going to go straight to jail for 20 years or whether...
01:27Do the Reishi Rice thing?
01:28Yes.
01:29Maybe, you know, maybe he gets off a little bit easier than that.
01:32Listen, I can't be the guy that says you've got to find your quarterback in the next 12 months
01:38by hook or by crook and then say Denzel's completely untouchable.
01:43I don't understand why they wouldn't trade Denzel.
01:45Isn't the reasoning the same for trading him that it was with Miles?
01:49Yes, I just think the value is so incredibly different that I think that's...
01:55That would kind of be my thing is I'm not going to give Denzel away.
01:59Yeah, I don't think the Browns are in any position to give away really good players.
02:04But if they can get some future draft capital that can help them with their end goal,
02:09they have to consider it.
02:10Consider it, yes.
02:11But, like, for you...
02:12Because I think their price would be high on Denzel, and I think it should be high.
02:17Yeah.
02:17Like, I think there are fans who have...
02:19If Detroit offered you a second-round pick, would jump at that.
02:22I don't think I would if I'm the Browns.
02:25For one, I think Denzel's value is at a tougher point because of his numbers last year.
02:31He's not a big interceptions guy either.
02:33And so...
02:34In the injury history.
02:35In the injury history, he might be a guy that has more value after seven or eight good games
02:41in season than he does right now, unless there's a team desperate to trade for him.
02:46Could you make the argument that the most value he has is to this team still?
02:52Yeah.
02:53Well, I don't know because...
02:57Here's the thing.
02:59I don't think fans have the concept of how Denzel is viewed around the NFL every time NFL wide receivers
03:08are interviewed about...
03:09Oh, they talk about him.
03:10They talk about him as the toughest guy to go against.
03:13Right.
03:13And so, I guess my thing is I don't presume to know how other teams value him because I think
03:19it might be higher than we think it is.
03:22If they didn't have Denzel in the secondary, I mean, it would be...
03:27Yeah.
03:28It would be pretty rough.
03:29Yeah.
03:30And I don't think it's great right now, to be honest with you.
03:33But if you take him out of the mix, it'd be really, really difficult.
03:37It'd put a lot of pressure on that front four to get after the quarterback over and over and over
03:41again.
03:41So, I think also part of it is they do have to ask themselves that question, the Browns do, despite
03:48the fact that they're probably not going to be a good team, despite the fact that it is a bigger
03:53picture plan in place, despite the fact that Denzel does not match their timeline for contention whenever that actually comes
04:00about.
04:03He probably still does have more value to this team than what they could get on the market.
04:09I really wish they had re-signed MJ Anderson.
04:12And that's not a today take.
04:14That is something that when they were kind of, hey, we'll see what his market bears, and then he ended
04:20up in New Orleans, I was bummed because I thought this kind of thing could happen.
04:26I agree.
04:27If you take Denzel out of that cornerback room, though, you probably become, I mean, bottom 10, bottom 12 corner
04:34rooms in the NFL.
04:36So, to me, it becomes about price.
04:39And I do think, I think a special...
04:41First-round pick, yes or no?
04:43Yeah, it has to be in that range.
04:45Does it have to be from a bad team or a team that you think could be bad?
04:49No.
04:50It just has to be a first-round pick?
04:51I would say something approximate to that.
04:54I wouldn't even, like, a second-round pick is at least worth the conversation.
04:58Yeah.
04:59But I'm going to need another top 100 pick.
05:01Like, I need, if it's not a first-round pick, even if it's going to be pick 25, if it's
05:06not going to be that, then it needs to be a day two pick and two day two picks or
05:11more.
05:12The other tough thing when it comes to picks, there's just no guarantee that you find a trade partner that
05:18will actually take your picks.
05:20Yeah.
05:20Because some team, and if you look at this past year's draft and all the conversation about the Browns is,
05:26how do we find an answer at quarterback?
05:28Well, theoretically, you compile all these first-round picks and you say, we're just going to overwhelm this team with
05:34this offer, this pick-centric offer, and they can't possibly turn it down.
05:39Las Vegas wasn't moving off the number one pick because they didn't have a quarterback and there was one there
05:43that they thought was worth it.
05:45So if we're talking about next year's draft and there's a quarterback that emerges that's worth it, and if that
05:51team doesn't have a quarterback and they're really, really bad and they have to suffer through a terrible season to
05:56get that number one pick,
05:58they're not just going to be like, yeah, cool, we'll take three picks or something like that so that you
06:03can have this quarterback that we need more than you or just as much as you.
06:07Yeah, and I think trading Denzel this summer or in camp or somewhere over the next three months, I think
06:15the problem is the more you do these kind of deals, you do back yourself into the zero sum of,
06:21by hook or by crook, you have to get a quarterback.
06:23I think there will be more than one quarterback this next year.
06:26I think we'll have at least three quarterbacks worthy of top five picks.
06:30There are more than three teams that need quarterbacks right now.
06:34So the idea that one of those teams is going to let you trade up is kind of what you're
06:39saying.
06:39So being in a zero sum position and then not being in a position to get one of those guys,
06:43I don't know what the end game then becomes next year when you're trying to get a quarterback.
06:48And the other thing is nobody knows how long it's going to be before the Browns are actually relevant and
06:53competitive.
06:55Whatever they end up getting, they could also turn into, hey, we're no longer in this contention window for this
07:04particular player.
07:05I wonder the same thing.
07:07And obviously he's way younger than Miles Garrett.
07:11But I wonder the same thing about Jared Verse.
07:13Are they going to get to a point where they're not competitive with this guy and they have to do
07:19the Miles Garrett thing with him?
07:21I think that's, I mean, listen, until you have a quarterback, there's always that threat.
07:25I just, because I think, I think you're right to say, we don't know when's the next competitive window going
07:30to open up or when are you going to get that quarterback?
07:33I would rebut that you're two years into a rebuild.
07:36So whether you get a quarterback with a top three pick next year, yeah, feels like 20.
07:42Well, yeah, it does because the Deshaun trade is the worst trade in the NFL history.
07:45But from when you started really seriously retooling this roster out of the shadows, the ashes of the failure of
07:53the Deshaun contract was 2024.
07:56And then 2020, sorry, sorry, 2025.
08:00And then we're going into 26.
08:01So if you don't get a guy next year in the top three pick, top five pick, whatever, fine.
08:08You better go trade for a veteran quarterback.
08:10And so whichever, unless Shador takes this job this offseason or Taylon Green or Dylan Gabriel, that little shorty, unless
08:19one of those guys grabs this job for good, I don't, there's no excuses.
08:24You've got a roster that is better now today than it was two or three years ago, even without Miles.
08:33So because I agree, a lot of people keep going back to, I don't know, the contention window.
08:37That would be another reason I don't know I'd definitively trade Denzel because I think in a year's time, there's
08:42no excuses.
08:42You should still be a very good football team and figure it out at quarterback.
08:47Very good?
08:48Yeah.
08:49They've got, they've got a lot of playmakers on defense that could use a little bit more depth.
08:53And I do think they finally have the pieces to have a salient plan on offense.
08:58It's not that hard to be functional in the NFL on offense.
09:01The Browns just have made it seem that way the last two years.
09:04Well, it's harder to be functional on offense when you're looking at what you're looking at at quarterback combined with
09:11the fact that your skill position players are probably near the bottom of the NFL in terms of a grouping.
09:19So if you had, like, really, really good skill position players, and maybe they become something because we're talking about
09:24unknown commodities, but if you had a bunch of really, really good skill players, you start to make the argument,
09:31or at least maybe you can convince yourself, hey, those guys will help lift this offense in a different kind
09:38of way and maybe overcome the deficiencies that you have at quarterback.
09:43But you don't have that either.
09:44I think that's what this year is about.
09:46I think turning those unproven guys into something proven so that you can make that argument next offseason.
09:532-1-6-4-7-4-0-9-2.
09:56If the Lions called about Denzel Ward with their cornerback in the Hooskow...
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