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00:00It just came down to too much pressure from everybody else on Tech, and Brendan wanted to play at Tech.
00:06This wasn't Brendan Sorsby not wanting to play college football.
00:09This was Brendan Sorsby just being advised by the school that I think it's time for you, you know,
00:14we had seven days left to file for the supplemental draft and didn't know where this thing was going to
00:18go.
00:19So we won in court. We did our job on our side.
00:21But for whatever reason, the world melted down like college football was ruined forever.
00:28What a response. That is Ron Slavin.
00:30That is Brendan Sorsby's agent on 105.3 The Fan in Dallas on our buddy Sean and RJ's show.
00:37There is more, and it is absolutely delicious.
00:41Ron Slavin goes a little bit further.
00:43He was asked, you know, what were some of the issues?
00:46Because you heard what he said.
00:47I mean, he's going out. College football was losing their mind.
00:50Now, there is a case to be made.
00:52Apparently, the last time he did this was, what, some years ago now?
00:55Is what he says.
00:57So I tried to get clarity on how much of what the agent was saying was actually the truth based
01:02on what we know.
01:04Because I had seen some other variations of this story.
01:08I remember Dan Wetzel had kind of chronicled just how bad the gambling is.
01:12And then the agent on this interview basically said, yeah, most of this happened when he was 18 years old.
01:18Not on the travel roster.
01:20Was the 5th, 6th, or 7th quarterback on the roster.
01:23Was never going to play.
01:24Never fit in.
01:25Which?
01:25There.
01:26And then he transferred.
01:27None of that makes it fine to me.
01:29Well, that would be, to me, it actually would be okay if that was the end of the gambling.
01:33But that wasn't the end of the gambling.
01:34Would that be okay?
01:35Because that's still not.
01:36Yeah, I mean, 18.
01:36I don't know.
01:37He's 22 now.
01:38I understand, yes, but you can't look at a current 18-year-old and go, ah, you're fine.
01:43No, there has to be some precedent there where you go, nah, this happened to this guy, so you know
01:48you can't do that.
01:50Oh, no, I'm not saying any of it's.
01:51I'm going to drag you into the weeds and I don't want to.
01:53I'm just saying none of it's good.
01:55And every NFL team has got to be all in on, and by the way, all 32 are showing up
02:01to his pro day.
02:02In case anybody was wondering.
02:03Or into the agent.
02:04Because there's one guy.
02:05I think this is part of it.
02:06It's not that he is the next coming of, you know, whatever prospect, John Elway, or whatever the best prospects
02:12to ever come out of God.
02:14It's not that.
02:15It's that he's so intriguing, and he's the only one that anybody seems to care about.
02:20So, like, all these teams are, they have to at least explain to their owners why they wouldn't go see
02:26the 6'3 guy whose agent says he's going to run a 6'4", 5'.
02:30I've heard a lot of agents say their kids are going to run a certain time, and they're not even
02:33close.
02:34So, we'll see.
02:34Hey, the times I see, he did have one of the fastest runs.
02:38He had a run last year against TCU that would have been one of the five fastest runs in the
02:42NFL.
02:42I'm sure he's a fine athlete.
02:44No, he's a really, really good athlete.
02:45I don't know about 4'4", 5'.
02:46I'm sure he's a fine athlete.
02:48So, this goes to a wild place.
02:51This is why I think some people might agree with me.
02:53Because, obviously, you know, I'm not, I don't wish any ill will.
02:57I believe in redemption.
02:58But, at the same time, I don't want any part of him.
03:00I really don't.
03:02With all this going on, I think it could certainly muddy the water.
03:05But here is his agent, Ron Slavin, again on the radio in Dallas.
03:09Some issues that he had with the coverage of the incident with surrounding Brendan Soresby.
03:16So, I know you guys are all perfect and live by the Mother Teresa ways of the world.
03:20But how many 18-year-olds make really bad decisions?
03:24There is never any integrity of the game violations.
03:26Everybody loves to have an opinion.
03:28And I'm so tired of watching people get on TV and blab their mouth when they have no idea what
03:32they're talking about.
03:33And, unfortunately, it's not just in Brendan's situation.
03:35It's in most situations.
03:36And unless you're Brendan or Brendan's family or myself and my team, nobody really knows what happened.
03:42And the opinions out there were, you would have thought this kid committed major crimes.
03:46The reality is, as an 18-year-old, he made some bad decisions from his dorm room when he wasn't
03:51traveling with the team in Indiana.
03:52But besides that, there's just so much more to the story that will come out later.
03:56That Brendan wasn't doing anything that was hurting the integrity of the game.
04:00He never bet on college football once he got on the roster.
04:04Once he was on the active travel roster at Indiana.
04:06And then he never did it at Cincinnati.
04:08So, this was something he did at 18 that was really dumb.
04:10But it also was something that now he's paid the price at 22 years old.
04:14But my question to that is, you know, did he just went, he just got treatment for gambling addiction.
04:22So, you haven't gambled in a few years, but you're just getting treatment for gambling addiction?
04:26I mean, you didn't know my thoughts on that.
04:29I mean, he did that just to do what a lot of people do when they run a file or
04:35get in trouble.
04:35Or have to, their employer, you know, ordered them to do something.
04:40Like, you know, I know it's speculation on my part.
04:42I don't know the kid.
04:43Maybe we'll get a chance to talk to him someday.
04:45But I think he did this to try to clear his name.
04:49But now I don't know what your problem is.
04:50Like, not you, him.
04:52You say you had a problem.
04:53You admitted to having a problem here.
04:55But now you don't admit to having a problem here.
04:56You're just doing this for show.
04:57So, how big of a problem, well, let's be honest.
05:00How big of a problem do you think, if what he's saying is true, that he only did this when
05:04he was 18, which, he says more is going to come out about this.
05:08Hope so.
05:08And obviously we know he gave his passwords or whatever to other people or funneled money to other people.
05:14So, if what he's saying in an ideal world was true, if you were a team that was looking to
05:21potentially put a second or third round bid on this dude, how big of a deal would it be to
05:27you if it really was four years ago?
05:29Guys, gamble.
05:30If it were four years ago and he were to seek treatment four years ago, or three years ago for
05:35that matter.
05:35We know why he's seeking treatment now.
05:37But that's part of the problem I have.
05:39You're just doing this to, so I don't know.
05:40He was doing it.
05:41We know why he was doing it.
05:42He was doing it to curry favor.
05:44You're not listening to me.
05:44Well, hold on.
05:45He was doing it to curry favor, I think.
05:47This is my speculation.
05:48We don't know.
05:49Okay.
05:49I don't know the kid.
05:50But I think he was doing it so that he could make the $5 million next year for Texas Tech
05:55and go get another year of college football.
05:58But when that avenue closed, I think now his agent's like, this gambling thing's not a problem.
06:03But do you really have a, since you've gone public and stated you have a gambling problem by seeking treatment
06:09for an addiction,
06:10do you have an addiction, or do you not, or do you have an addiction, and you are saying you
06:16don't have an addiction?
06:17Because there's plenty of people who have been addicted saying, I'm fine.
06:19I don't have an addiction.
06:20That's other people who are addicted.
06:21If he hasn't really gambled in three or four years, then I'd say he doesn't really have an addiction.
06:26I think he had to do what he had to do to be able to play football for Texas Tech
06:30and make $5 million.
06:31But at the risk of going in circles, do you have a problem?
06:34Did you do it?
06:35If he has not, I do not think he does if he hasn't gambled.
06:37It hurts my trust.
06:38I'm telling you, you ask my opinion.
06:40I do not think he has a problem if he hasn't gambled for three or four years.
06:43Do you need to hear him say that I just went to go get the $5 million?
06:47Yeah, I don't think he'll ever get that.
06:49It would make me feel a lot, but I swear to God, if I sat him down and was like,
06:51listen, I'm going to make you my franchise quarterback.
06:54And he goes, listen, I had to do what I had to do to get my $5 million.
06:57I have not gambled in four years, and if you could show me proof, that would make me feel better.
07:05But I don't know those things, and I'm not going to be in a room with him in this situation.
07:08We won't know.
07:08So that's why I had to ask him and put him through the paces on that question, which is really
07:14ticky-tack, but I have to do this.
07:15I mean, we're talking about possibly foregoing 2027 to bring this kid in.
07:19Well, there's no way that you go from being able to be traced on your gambling, right, to going to
07:26the backroom CD, you're not going to find this stuff type of gambling.
07:31Yeah, I mean, if he's going to those depths, I don't even know how he could function as a guy
07:37that has to show up to work every day.
07:39But that's, I mean, it's just hard.
07:40Obviously, the agent is going to paint a very different picture than any of the allegations.
07:47Because I remember when Wetzel's article came out, it made it sound like the gambling kept going.
07:52And then when he took everything off his phone, then he was finding other ways and being resourceful to try
07:57to find ways to place bets.
07:59And now his agent is basically saying this stuff hasn't happened in three or four years, and he only bet
08:04on his team way back then.
08:06All this other stuff is he's just betting like anybody else.
08:09So you're a Browns fan and you care about, listen, I'm not trying to get a team of Boy Scouts
08:15here, all right?
08:15Like, people click in, they click out at different times.
08:19Guys, we have had to talk about way more serious things than gambling, all right?
08:23I am not his father.
08:25I am not Mother Teresa, as he says.
08:28I understand that plenty of guys who just got drafted gamble.
08:31It's not the right thing to do, and it puts you at a risk as a player.
08:35And if you're a player for my favorite team, it bothers me because now I might not have you.
08:39But I'm not going to sit there and talk down on him and say any of that crazy stuff.
08:44No.
08:45And I think the stuff about college football, I just think Brendan Soresby is the latest in a series of
08:50problems that a lot of fans have had with college football here over the last five years.
08:54That's where I'm at on that.
08:56But, again, I have to bring it up.
08:59Does these words, because I'll play, there's another clip of him I want to get to at 643, all right?
09:04Because it's strong.
09:05Do these words so far make you want Brendan Soresby more or make you want to stay away from Brendan
09:12Soresby more?
09:13That's zero impact.
09:13Zero impact either way?
09:15Either way.
09:16Interesting.
09:17If I am a GM, I'm going to get a chance to talk to him.
09:19Because to me, it makes me feel even worse.
09:21Really?
09:21Yes, it really does.
09:22Doesn't mean it all.
09:23It really does.
09:23But, again, I mean, I was kind of seeing through some of this story ahead of time.
09:28I saw a guy that was trying to figure out, am I going to be able to play college football
09:31and make the money that I've been promised?
09:34Or do I have to now go into the supplemental?
09:36Look, if he thought this was all going to happen, he would have gone into the draft, you know, in
09:42April.
09:42He didn't do that because I thought he thought he was going to be able to play football this year.
09:48You know, serve three, four game, two game suspension, whatever.
09:53And be able to help a loaded team and try to win a Heisman and try to win a national
09:57championship.
09:57Once that door closed, I think they were in scramble mode.
10:00All right, what's left?
10:02What other recourse is there?
10:03And then, I think when his agent's like, hey, you might actually get a favorable pick in the supplemental draft,
10:09even though their rosters are kind of frozen, like, you might have an opportunity here.
10:14Now, the story has to change.
10:16But I think our nature.
10:17I think that's what anybody would do, too.
10:19I got it.
10:20In his footsteps.
10:20I understand what you're saying.
10:22Lyman and I talk.
10:24Lyman says the words doesn't make him feel one way or the other about Soresby.
10:29I actually think it makes me feel worse.
10:31I know I was kind of, I was on the outs anyway.
10:33There was no kind of about it.
10:33I didn't want him.
10:35I know there's a lot of things being said about the media by a lot of Sanders fans.
10:38I'm going to get to that coming up here in a little bit because I actually think a lot of
10:41the Sanders fans have a point about all this.
10:43There are anti-Sanders people going after you saying you're in a cult.
10:47You're doing whatever it takes to not go after any quarterback but Shador Sanders.
10:52So, you're going to have to clarify with some of these people.
10:54Have I said that he's, wait a minute.
10:55They seem confused.
10:55Have I said that he's the franchise quarterback of the Browns?
10:58No.
10:58No, you have not.
10:59So, there we go.
11:01Fine.
11:01But I will clarify then when we get to that.
11:05My issue is, is that, you know, I think most of, I think most people by nature are forgiving and
11:11want to forgive.
11:12If, I just wish there was more contrition.
11:14And maybe we'll hear that from him.
11:16You know, you still did something wrong.
11:18Yeah, we haven't heard from him at all.
11:20You know, we could sit here and wait.
11:21Like, he's going to play the blame game here in a second.
11:23We'll get to that.
11:24But, you know, you're still the one that pulled out the phone and made the bets, buddy.
11:28You know, you're still the one that gave your stuff to the other ones.
11:31And you knew that you weren't supposed to do this.
11:33I don't care if you were with the travel squad, not with the travel.
11:35I don't care if you held up the trophy in a bowl game or you were standing on the sidelines
11:39in street clothes.
11:40It doesn't matter.
11:41You're a part of the organization.
11:42You're a part of the program.
11:44You know you're not allowed to do it.
11:46And so, contrition is a big part of this.
11:49People are very forgiving.
11:51They want to forgive and they want to rebuild.
11:55You know, they want people to rise back up.
11:59And this just seems defiant.
12:01And I don't care for it.
12:03I really don't.
12:04But this is an agent.
12:05This isn't him.
12:05So, I'm making the clarification.
12:07And you said the same things about Baker Mayfield when he was resisting arrest and drunk and wasted and running
12:12away from college.
12:12And he was contrite.
12:14He was.
12:15He said that was a major mistake and really stupid.
12:17He said those words.
12:19And that makes you feel better.
12:20You know, the joke that John Dorsey said about what's for lunch.
12:23I forget what it was.
12:24You know, the lunch wagons and things like that.
12:28And making the joke and then, you know, saying, hey, you know, that was really stupid.
12:31I think that goes a long way with people.
12:33Admitting mistakes over and over goes a long, long way.
12:36We see it in the judicial system all the time.
12:38We see it in public opinion all the time.
12:40But Ron Slavin will play the blame game.
12:42He says don't be looking at his client.
12:43You've got to be looking at the University of Cincinnati years ago.
12:47You know, you have to be careful of some things just because of all the people involved.
12:52And the people I feel worse for, besides Brendan, is Texas Tech.
12:56Where they messed up was they talked too much.
12:57Nobody knew any of this about Brendan.
12:59Nobody knew when he was in the portal this was happening.
13:02I mean, Brendan probably should have gone in the draft in January, right, if we would have known.
13:05But nobody knew.
13:06So the people at Tech have been great, very supportive.
13:08Joe McGuire, I think, is one of the best human beings on the planet.
13:11A lot of head coaches are transactional.
13:13He is not.
13:14They didn't do anything wrong here.
13:15If anybody should be questioned or be catching heat, it should be Cincinnati because they knew for two years
13:20and never said anything and didn't do anything about it.
13:22That's the part of the story that gets lost.
13:24Well, Cincinnati, again, if they knew about things and didn't do anything,
13:28they should be held accountable as a program, whether it be retroactive.
13:33I understand that Scott Satterfield wasn't their coach back then,
13:36but they need to be held accountable to some level.
13:39But so should he.
13:41And now maybe his agent is saying he is being held accountable,
13:44or he will be held accountable when all this happens.
13:46Ron Slavin also goes to say, judging by the content of his character.
13:51Again, it's like this is a 22-year-old kid who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke,
13:55has had two girlfriends his entire life.
13:56He's at church every Sunday.
13:58He's a great human being.
13:59And I guess his biggest fault might be he's too giving.
14:02When I say that, you know, he's involved with some of his friends
14:04and the predatory world of gambling where you turn 18 and, you know, deposit $5,
14:09you get a free $100.
14:10And every single show on TV and every single radio show,
14:12everything is sponsored by a gambling site.
14:15So it's a scary world we're living in.
14:17And these kids have all been raised now with phones in their hands.
14:19So it's real easy to get on an app and place a bet.
14:22There's so much more to it that'll come out.
14:24But what we're focused on now is the next three weeks
14:26where Brendan can get ready and work out for these teams
14:28and throw on a lot of guys that are 6'3", 235 pounds,
14:31who run 4'4", and can throw it like Brett Favre walking around.
14:34So there's going to be some high interest in Brendan
14:36when the supplemental draft happens.
14:39Yeah, Ken, who are you?
14:40Do you go to church every Sunday?
14:41How many girlfriends you've had?
14:45Jimmy Swaggart went to church every Sunday, Anthony.
14:48Sounds like you have no compassion for the young man.
14:51He's not a kid.
14:52He's a grown man.
14:53An 18?
14:54He says he's a 22-year-old kid right now.
14:56He's not a kid.
14:56He's a grown man.
14:57He's an American taxpayer.
14:59Grown man.
14:59Just got $5 million to walk away from Texas Tech.
15:02You were a drug mule at 22.
15:04You smoked two girlfriends his entire life.
15:06I was a drug mule at 13, thank you very much.
15:09Not at 22.
15:10I was a kid when I was a drug mule.
15:13You can hear that story on the emerging podcast scene
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15:19on the free Odyssey app.
15:20A lot of you folks just had your mind blown by that fact.
15:23Anyway, I know the distinction here.
15:28And I don't...
15:29Yeah, he doesn't drink.
15:31He doesn't do drugs.
15:32Great.
15:32He's only had a couple of girlfriends.
15:33I'm glad he's not sleeping around.
15:35I guess his biggest fault might be he's too giving.
15:38Kenny, come on.
15:40Too giving.
15:42He helps old ladies cross the street.
15:44Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke.
15:45He still did...
15:46He's got two girlfriends his entire life.
15:47He still did something wrong.
15:48I want some contrition.
15:49And steals their promo codes and goes to the app.
15:50You still did something wrong.
15:52Yeah, Arch Lister helped his mom across the street.
15:55I guess his biggest fault might be he's too giving.
15:57Come on.
15:58You hear that?
15:59That makes you feel better?
16:00I'm telling you...
16:01Or that doesn't affect you at all, I should say.
16:03Honestly, it's comical.
16:05The agent is going so overboard to try to present a case.
16:09Why don't I go to church every week?
16:10I mean, hell.
16:11But in the end, if it really is that he just gambled...
16:15That he just did this when he was 18 and he wasn't really on the depth chart.
16:18And that's when he was doing anything based on his team.
16:21And yet did wager a bunch of $3 bets after that.
16:24I do think most NFL teams are actually not going to care.
16:27I don't think they're going to care after the fact.
16:30I guess his biggest fault might be he's too giving.
16:32He's too giving.
16:33Yeah, he's too giving.
16:34He's too giving.
16:35Hey, you're sitting there at a job interview.
16:37What's your biggest weakness?
16:38My weakness is I care too much.
16:39See, I think you're not...
16:40I try too hard.
16:40I work too hard.
16:41This is what the problem is with you.
16:43You are not a...
16:44I'm serious about this.
16:47Owen made you out.
16:49He gave the best example of you or the best description of you ever.
16:52Where most guys who do this are guys who love sports and like to argue.
16:58You're a man who likes sports and loves to argue.
17:01So I think you listen to the sport of what Ron Slavin is saying.
17:05And it is impressive how he finds ways to get out of it.
17:09And I'm impressed with his words as well.
17:11Don't get me wrong.
17:11This is a hell of an agent talking right here.
17:13This is some good...
17:14Every Sunday.
17:14This is some good stuff.
17:16This is really good stuff.
17:18I mean, I don't even do that, Kenny.
17:19Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke.
17:21He's had two girlfriends his entire life.
17:23Remember what we thought of Nav Bhatia?
17:25He doesn't drink.
17:25He doesn't smoke.
17:26He don't womanize.
17:27He just raptorizes.
17:28He did be raptorized.
17:29I do have a follow-up question.
17:30We're the two girlfriends at the same time.
17:31That might change things.
17:33Speaking of, we'll hopefully get an update from John.
17:35That's more of a John question.
17:36Coming up here at 745.
17:37My wife already sent a very...
17:40Did she?
17:40Yeah, she already sent a text.
17:41See, she doesn't check her phone.
17:43She didn't do an audio recording.
17:44No, she just sent a text.
17:45She had some questions.
17:46Okay, 745.
17:48We'll get back into it about last night.
17:50So, hearing his words just makes me not want him even more.
17:56I gotta hear...
17:58And I'm...
17:59I just can't...
18:00I can't do it.
18:01I can't do it.
18:02I understand.
18:02And it's not for everybody.
18:03We will have guys who gambled before.
18:05Like, I'm sure some of the great quarterbacks that have ever played the game.
18:09Like, you've heard the stories about Jim Kelly on off weeks
18:13taking his guys to Atlantic City and blowing thousands on table games.
18:19I understand.
18:20Michael Jordan's one of my favorite basketball players who ever lived.
18:22We know Michael Jordan loves to gamble and loved to gamble then.
18:26I'm not anti-players gambling.
18:28But I'm trying to save my franchise.
18:32I have a fan base who actively dislikes the team.
18:38The next quarterback...
18:40We just traded away a first ballot Hall of Famer.
18:42Guys, the next quarterback for this team has to get the nose up on this thing
18:47and take this franchise to a place it hasn't been before
18:51as well as get the fans back on their side.
18:56And I'm gonna do that all this coming summer
18:58for a guy who has to have his agent go out there and tell Dallas Radio
19:02that he goes to church every week?
19:04I guess his biggest fault might be he's too giving.
19:08Am I the only one who's saying...
19:10I think I know why this is the case.
19:14I think I know why they are in such scramble mode and I'll get to it.
19:19And I'm getting all the stuff about your boy Sanders this
19:21and your guy Sanders that.
19:23You guys will just take anybody as long as their name isn't Watson or Sanders.
19:27That's why we're in this mess in the first place.
19:29Because at one point they would take anybody but Mayfield.
19:31And so on and so on and so forth.
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