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00:00Hi, how the hell are you?
00:01What's going on, Kenny?
00:02Bad mood. Real bad mood to start off the day.
00:04And I shouldn't be. Jose Ramirez was great last night.
00:07We will get to that, I promise, at some point in this show.
00:09I got cut off, and it was an honor to be cut off in traffic yesterday on the way home.
00:15And I will tell you who cut me off.
00:199.45 this morning?
00:21Tell everybody at the end of the show who cut me off in traffic?
00:25You want me to do that?
00:26Sure.
00:27Honestly, I'm not mad. I should be mad about that. I'm not.
00:29It was an honor to be cut off by this person, I should say.
00:34Right there on 77 South.
00:36But, no, I'm in a bad mood already.
00:38Is Jared Verst speaking today? I know he came into town yesterday.
00:41Is Jared Verst speaking today? Tomorrow?
00:44When do we know?
00:44That was the plan last I heard.
00:45All right, my phone will light up, I'm sure.
00:47Can I just – let me get something off my chest here.
00:50So I said yesterday, like how a lot of Browns fans feel,
00:54to me, from the ones I've spoken to,
00:57is that I think a lot of Browns fans feel,
01:00it's like, hey, man, we had someone really, really, really special.
01:04And through all the bad stuff,
01:06even some of the stuff that might have been his fault,
01:10through all the bad stuff,
01:11it was like, ah, we got this really special player.
01:15So we felt special, even though we weren't very good.
01:19And somehow, the one clip that Joey sent out,
01:23God bless Joey, I love Joey,
01:24it's like getting picked up by like Ball Knower,
01:27like YouTube guys, podcast guys.
01:30It's like, guys, no Browns fan.
01:32These people don't know what Jared Verst brings.
01:34No Browns fan.
01:36I have not met one Browns fan on the phones,
01:39in public, anywhere,
01:40who thinks Jared Verst is bad.
01:43This is not about Jared Verst.
01:45Yeah, if anything,
01:46I think people almost overreacted to the opposite,
01:49that people are expecting him to fill the shoes of Myles Garrett.
01:52I'm like, you better not do that.
01:54You better not assume he's going to get like 18 sacks next year.
01:57Because that's not happening.
01:58I don't think there are a lot of people who do.
02:00I think they're going,
02:01no, this guy's a really, really, really good player.
02:02He's more than solid.
02:04He could develop and it's like,
02:06I got to tell you,
02:07I said this on TV last night.
02:09Can I say it to you?
02:10At the end of the year,
02:12I know they just signed Nick Herbig to $100 million, right?
02:15And they got Alex Highsmith over there
02:17and TJ Watt is slowly making his way
02:20into his life's work,
02:22in the words of Chuck Knoll,
02:23after his career is over.
02:25And Trey Hendrickson just went to the Baltimore Ravens.
02:27Could I make the prediction,
02:30could I make the claim that Jared Verst,
02:32a lot of pressure's on Mike Rutenberg,
02:34could Jared Verst be the best pass rusher
02:36in the division by the end of the year?
02:38Yeah.
02:40Okay.
02:40That's, I just, I wanted to ask.
02:42I wanted to ask whether or not it was a crazy thing.
02:44Don't wonder.
02:44Don't wonder.
02:45Can I wonder?
02:46I mean, people will probably say,
02:48what, he's only got 12 sacks in his career?
02:49He's only going into year three.
02:51Miles Garrett did.
02:51I mean, Miles Garrett had, what, 20?
02:53So that's a lot.
02:55That is a lot.
02:5612 and a half.
02:56I mean, you go from four and a half to seven and a half.
02:59That's a nice number.
03:00It just has to be really productive this year.
03:01If you use him in a four and three,
03:02if he's not doing some of the other things that he's done,
03:04he should be good against the run.
03:06He's obviously good against the run.
03:07Now, the over,
03:08the run thing is something that we've usually told ourselves about other guys,
03:12but he should be able to get to the quarterback.
03:14I mean, could I,
03:15can I predict double digit sacks this year for Jared Verst?
03:18Can I do that?
03:19Going into year three,
03:20you're going into your prime.
03:22Can I not?
03:23Now, I know that's a lot of faith in Mike Rutenberg.
03:25We don't know.
03:25Here's the thing I don't want to do.
03:27I don't want to make it seem like too much on him.
03:29I, yeah, I don't want to,
03:30I don't want to say that he has to replace miles.
03:33Carrots production.
03:34No, which I think people are going a little overboard,
03:37but if he ends up with 10 sacks this year,
03:39yeah,
03:39the wild swings in,
03:41in the discussion about him when they traded for him,
03:44most Browns fans don't watch,
03:46you know,
03:46they,
03:47they're not watching,
03:48you know,
03:48all of their games,
03:49the way that we watch our games.
03:51So they didn't necessarily know.
03:53And then by the end of the day,
03:54it was,
03:54oh my God,
03:54this could be the next miles Garrett.
03:56And I'm like,
03:56well,
03:56I wouldn't,
03:56I wouldn't do that either.
03:57You're going to be sadly disappointed.
03:59I'm not saying that like miles Garrett,
04:01wasn't just the best in the division.
04:02He was the best of everybody.
04:04It's not that it's,
04:05but I'm thinking,
04:06gosh,
04:06could he end up being like,
04:07I don't know what Trey Hendrickson's going to,
04:08he's probably going to do pretty well with the Ravens,
04:10but I don't know how great he's going to be.
04:12And I just wonder by the end of the year with how their defense is,
04:16he is,
04:17he is a,
04:18a,
04:18a quote drop off,
04:20obviously from miles Garrett,
04:21but I,
04:21it's still,
04:22I don't think there's been one Browns fan who has said,
04:25this guy sucks.
04:26Who is this guy?
04:27Like they've learned about him.
04:28Even if they didn't know about him,
04:30I think they think he's really good.
04:31I think they're excited for him.
04:33I think they've seen the videos of him on NFL.com and,
04:36and him being mic'd up and getting people excited.
04:39And I think they want some vocal leadership and a sheriff in the locker room.
04:43I know we've had Evan Mobley jokes before about it,
04:45but I think they want to show up to stuff.
04:47They want to got,
04:48yeah,
04:48they want a guy who's going to be there and bring this team along because
04:52you need younger vocal guys.
04:55And I'm just getting a little annoyed.
04:57In fact,
04:57well,
04:58I'm not getting a little annoyed.
04:59I'm getting a lot annoyed by,
05:01I'm not,
05:01and I'm not talking about any of the Cleveland guys who do the podcast,
05:05the beard of Britain,
05:06like none of those guys.
05:07I'm not talking about you.
05:08No,
05:09but like the,
05:10the drop in on a fan base when you never talk to a fan base,
05:14it's like,
05:14yeah,
05:14man,
05:14I know you,
05:15you can draw it all up and you've learned all the lingo and you've sit
05:17there and watched all the Sean McVay tapes.
05:19I got it.
05:20Why don't you go actually talk to some fans?
05:22Okay.
05:23Go through what a fan is going through a little bit emotionally,
05:26just so you kind of got an idea of what fans go through.
05:29Because when you don't mix the human element into it,
05:32I think you look like an idiot.
05:34When you're trying to talk down to Browns fans who they poured their hearts
05:38and emotions into miles Garrett at one in 31 and they went on seven 16 with
05:43them.
05:44And then we were thinking that we were going to go to Superbowls at one
05:47point.
05:48And now it,
05:49this,
05:50this moment,
05:53I think it like it's sinking and not like,
05:55Oh God,
05:56miles is gone.
05:57I don't know how you feel about it.
06:00I saw the press conference yesterday with miles.
06:03Did you see the press conference yesterday with miles?
06:05I kind of just felt he'd fit right in with the Rams.
06:08And it's not about that.
06:09I think it's sinking in with me.
06:11Just like,
06:12there's a,
06:13there's a lot to go through here.
06:14We got a lot of,
06:16got a lot of work to do as fans,
06:17got a lot of work to do as they have a lot of work to do as an organization.
06:21We got a lot of football.
06:22We have to watch on Saturdays again and on Sundays.
06:26And we got a lot to get ready for here.
06:28Cause we're about to go through all this all over again.
06:31And hopefully with Jared verse,
06:34get this other position,
06:36So we don't end up wasting our time with Jared verse verse.
06:39Like we don't want to,
06:40we don't want to waste our time with him.
06:42Cause we're going to get at least five,
06:46what should be really good years out of him.
06:48Oh yeah.
06:48And I don't want to be where he's 31 going 30 years old going,
06:52well,
06:52here we go.
06:52We got another bust and this guy sucks.
06:54And now we got to let go of Jared verse.
06:56Like,
06:57I don't want to do that.
06:58So that's,
06:58that's just kind of where I'm at right now at six in the morning.
07:01I'm percolating on something,
07:03but it's amazing.
07:03I got cut off in traffic yesterday and I'm not even mad about that.
07:06In fact,
07:07I'm honored by it.
07:08And here I am mad about this.
07:09Yeah,
07:10but so I should be happy.
07:10Jose was great yesterday.
07:11We won beat the Yankees.
07:13Well,
07:13what was the big deal about clips that were being circulated?
07:16I like what,
07:17I don't need to go over it.
07:18I know you weren't probably paying attention to it very much.
07:20So we'll,
07:20we'll just move on from it.
07:22Uh,
07:22miles Garrett spoke unless you,
07:23no,
07:24I'm sorry.
07:25I'm just trying to piece together.
07:26I'm not trying to start a fight.
07:27I'm not trying to start a fight.
07:28I mean,
07:29I explained it though.
07:30I thought,
07:30I thought I explained it clearly though.
07:32That's why I,
07:32so I was just assuming you were ready to move on with something else in the
07:36conversation.
07:36I was just getting,
07:37no,
07:37if you want me to explain again,
07:38I'll explain again.
07:39I just feel,
07:40I feel I have to be defensive over,
07:43I don't look,
07:44I don't fan base.
07:44Like I think the fan base is certainly open to the idea of Jared verse and the
07:48pick that they got with them.
07:50Excuse me.
07:51The first round pick that they got with them and the other picks that they got
07:53with them.
07:53I'm sorry.
07:54I didn't mean to take a swipe at you.
07:55The,
07:55in terms of being like defensive or anything like that,
07:59I just think it's,
08:00it's a reality.
08:01Miles Garrett was here for nine years.
08:03He was awesome.
08:04It didn't make sense for him to toil on a,
08:06on a rebuilding team.
08:08I think a lot of Browns fans know that.
08:09I think it's his,
08:10well,
08:10they didn't know.
08:11They didn't know that because I,
08:12we sat there and tried it.
08:14We sat there and tried to explain why this was in the realm of
08:16possibilities for a long time now.
08:18And it's a player that asked out a pretty clearly.
08:21I mean,
08:21guys,
08:21come on.
08:22He did not want to be here anymore,
08:23but I don't,
08:24were they mad at him when he asked out somewhere?
08:26Yeah.
08:27I think a lot of Browns fans are mad at the Browns.
08:29It was,
08:30it was that until the first chance they had to be mad at him again.
08:33Like that's they,
08:35I think a lot of people now,
08:37what I've seen,
08:38I don't know.
08:38We,
08:38we,
08:38we have different realities on the internet and,
08:41and social media and reaction,
08:43listening to the shows and people that call in like,
08:45I don't know.
08:46Yesterday was not call after call after call,
08:49you know,
08:50ripping into miles or anything like that.
08:52People were excited about verse.
08:53I think people should be excited about this.
08:55And this is the only way out of this.
08:58The only way out of this,
08:59it was never going to be miles to just stay here,
09:02be a good soldier.
09:04And for the,
09:04for in three years,
09:06maybe the quarterback that we take in this year's draft to build his web,
09:10like it was never going to be that way.
09:11We were going to need to do everything.
09:13We could throw everything,
09:16everything at the wall in terms of darts to try to,
09:18you know,
09:19stockpile,
09:20not only quarterback,
09:21but just continuing adding talent.
09:23I mean,
09:23if anything,
09:23I saw,
09:24I saw Andrew Barry getting a ton of credit for the stuff that he was doing.
09:29I think fans should be excited about that.
09:31And I know it's,
09:31it's easy to be excited about picks compared to players that you're that are,
09:35that are outgoing.
09:36But I think overall,
09:38like what I've seen,
09:39I've seen a healthy reaction out of most Browns fans that are like,
09:43yeah,
09:43it sucks that we're losing miles.
09:45I'm on the same page with you there.
09:46Yeah.
09:46I think a lot of people are like,
09:47man,
09:48I think there's,
09:49it sucks.
09:49It's like,
09:50all right.
09:51Cause they're telling you what they think of all these fights we've had about
09:54the quarterbacks.
09:56If they thought the quarterbacks were going to be good.
09:57Like,
09:58by the way,
09:58I know what Mary Kay has been writing about Deshaun Watson.
10:01I think if they felt that strongly about Deshaun Watson,
10:04or they felt that strongly about anybody in the quarterback room,
10:06miles Garrett doesn't go anywhere.
10:08If they felt like he was going to,
10:10we were going to rise like a Phoenix here and be a good football team.
10:14I don't think they trade miles Garrett.
10:15I know.
10:17Um,
10:18cause I think they're going,
10:19well,
10:19we got the Jared versus really,
10:21really good,
10:21but we have the greatest of all time.
10:22And maybe this is our quarterback here.
10:24We're going to see how this goes.
10:25If we had Jackson,
10:26when they pull that string,
10:27if we had Jackson dart,
10:29like in-house right now,
10:30maybe they don't trade miles.
10:31I think you're right.
10:33I think that if,
10:36I mean,
10:37we can go back in history and say whether or not they should have done
10:39certain things last year,
10:41but yeah,
10:41if they had a guy who,
10:43hell even can I say Bo Nix,
10:45if Bo Nix was here,
10:46are they trading miles Garrett?
10:48And I don't even think the world of Bo Nix.
10:50No,
10:50no,
10:51I'm just thinking you could go to the playoffs.
10:53He's good enough to keep playing on a playoff team,
10:55but he's not good enough to be really excited about the future.
10:58But you would like the,
10:59the Broncos,
11:00if they had miles Garrett with Bo Nix would not be trading miles Garrett.
11:03Correct.
11:04Their defenses are calling card.
11:05Of course.
11:06They'd also Bo Nix does sort of well enough to get them past.
11:09Yeah.
11:10They'd also have a head coach that they knew,
11:12you know,
11:12we,
11:12we,
11:13we great.
11:13I think that's a great point.
11:14We like Todd Munkin,
11:16but we don't know.
11:17He's never proven it as a head coach.
11:19Yes.
11:19You know,
11:19their head coach has obviously,
11:20boy,
11:20there's a lot to get into today.
11:22A lot to get into today.
11:23I,
11:24we got players coming out of the woodwork,
11:25old players,
11:25kind of the woodwork,
11:26go after the Browns,
11:27go after the Cavs.
11:28Yeah.
11:29Our weather.
11:30We have,
11:31we have other,
11:31other insiders going after our weather.
11:34There's going to be a lot of fast talking between clips here today.
11:37We got Zach coming up.
11:38It's,
11:39it's going to be wild.
11:39Miles Garrett though.
11:40He was talking yesterday.
11:41I'm glad we cleared that up.
11:42I apologize for taking a swing at you.
11:44Oh,
11:44I didn't mean it.
11:45Like I didn't mean it to come off that way.
11:47Miles Garrett spoke yesterday to the assembled media.
11:50He said,
11:51he loves LA.
11:53Very excited to be here.
11:55You know,
11:55it's an honor and a blessing to be in this building.
11:57I have a lot of respect for all the guys here from the coaching staff,
12:01management,
12:02and,
12:02and,
12:03you know,
12:03many of the players.
12:04Now I've got,
12:04I've got to see it,
12:05you know,
12:05firsthand.
12:05It's very quality team,
12:07quality business.
12:07I like the way,
12:08you know,
12:08things operate and I'm,
12:09I'm looking forward to helping a championship here to LA.
12:12All right.
12:12So he's pretty excited about having a chance to win a championship.
12:14He did go a little bit further in his,
12:17in his,
12:20in his availability.
12:22I do want,
12:23can we go skip to Oh three?
12:25He did give love to Cleveland here.
12:26He said that his family has become a part of the community.
12:29I don't take my time in Cleveland for granted.
12:32I did love being there.
12:34My family had become,
12:35you know,
12:35really a part of the,
12:36the community.
12:37No,
12:37you definitely had to start to plant roots at a home,
12:40just becoming no friends with,
12:42you know,
12:42all the people in your,
12:43your neighborhood and,
12:44you know,
12:44getting to know people and getting out and,
12:46you know,
12:46just feeling like this is,
12:47you know,
12:47your second home,
12:49stuff like that,
12:49no tears at you to,
12:51to leave and,
12:51you know,
12:52to break away.
12:52But,
12:53you know,
12:53that's just a part of the things you,
12:55you learn to have to,
12:57you know,
12:57adjust to as you,
12:58as you,
12:58you grow up and learn,
12:59you have to move on.
13:01Weird history.
13:01It will end up being a weird history.
13:03Like we have to move on.
13:04He has to move on.
13:06Not rooting against him.
13:07Well,
13:08I have to root against them.
13:10Until they make the playoffs.
13:12And then I have to root.
13:12I have to root against them until they make the Superbowl.
13:14Then if they make the Superbowl,
13:15depending on who they're playing,
13:16I'll,
13:16I might feel like you have to,
13:18you have to root against them.
13:1931 and 32.
13:19There's not that big of a difference for me in those picks.
13:23So if they get to like the wild card round,
13:25I got to pull against them.
13:26I'm sorry.
13:26In a weird way.
13:28I got to do what I got to do.
13:28And maybe this is,
13:30there's some NBA lore bleeding into this.
13:34Like in sports,
13:37you know,
13:37Mike Trout,
13:38you know,
13:38we never really got to find out,
13:40you know,
13:40on the biggest of biggest stages,
13:41but like the best guys that do this for a living in every sport,
13:47you want to see what they could do on the biggest stages.
13:50Yeah,
13:51of course you really do.
13:52And we've been everybody,
13:53not just Browns fans.
13:54The entire NFL has been deprived of seeing miles Garrett on a real contender,
13:59like a certifiable contender with the exception of the one year that we ran into the Chiefs and,
14:05you know,
14:06helmets collided.
14:07And that was,
14:07that was the end,
14:08you know,
14:09a ball fumbling over into the end zone.
14:11And that was it.
14:12That was that for our chances.
14:13And now I feel like in a way,
14:16and this is cruel and for Browns fans.
14:19And,
14:19and we are certainly,
14:20you know,
14:21three of them right here in this studio,
14:23like it sucks.
14:24It's bittersweet,
14:25but now we get to see kind of what,
14:28what,
14:29what should happen with a guy as talented as miles gear.
14:31We don't always get that.
14:33And now we get to see just how good he is and what we get to tell our grandchildren about
14:37whether or not he can truly be one of the best to ever put a helmet on.
14:40So you get the,
14:42well,
14:42let me ask you this real quick.
14:43You got a 20,
14:4520,
14:46sit,
14:46eight second rounder.
14:49Is that what it is?
14:50And it's 29,
14:51third runner,
14:5127,
14:52first,
14:5328,
14:53second,
14:5429,
14:55third.
14:55All right.
14:55So do I have to sit there and root against him for three years or we just got the first
14:59round pick?
14:59We need the quarterback this year.
15:00So yeah,
15:01I don't hope anything personally bad happens to him.
15:04I don't wish injury or anything.
15:05I just hope they lose.
15:06I have to,
15:06it's a bit,
15:07it's a business.
15:08I have to do what's best for the Browns.
15:09There's nothing personal.
15:10But you rooting for or against is not going to change how dominating and how awesome Myles Garrett is.
15:16So I don't,
15:16I don't think it serves you any better to sit there on every play dialed in going,
15:22uh,
15:22I hope,
15:22I hope Myles gets triple teamed and doesn't do anything on this.
15:25But like,
15:25I just think it's going to come.
15:27He's going to be awesome.
15:28He's going to be amazing.
15:28The Rams are,
15:29unless Stafford gets injured,
15:30they're going to be really good.
15:31Who knows?
15:32Even if Stafford gets injured,
15:33they'll probably still be really good.
15:35So I don't,
15:36I don't want you to lose.
15:37I don't want you to be anxious or have it ruin your NFL football season.
15:42If the Rams are winning games weekend,
15:43I got to worry about the Browns first.
15:44I'm not,
15:45I don't think I'm going to be despondent.
15:46If the Rams win football games,
15:47cause I think they don't want a lot of football games.
15:49So there's no point in me being despondent.
15:51They've won a lot of games without them.
15:52If I'm watching the four o'clock window and you know,
15:56you click in right before Sunday night football and they're playing the 49ers and they're,
16:00they're,
16:00they're driving and they're down by,
16:02by two.
16:03I hope that Matt Stafford throws a pick.
16:05I have to,
16:07I have to,
16:07I need the very best pick.
16:09And then next year,
16:10go out and do whatever you got to do.
16:11I got my guy.
16:12We'll see where it goes.
16:12I got nothing against you.
16:14Seven times.
16:14All right.
16:15So I'll watch in prime time.
16:16One,
16:17two,
16:17three,
16:18five.
16:18And it'll be more than that.
16:19It'll be more than seven.
16:20It's,
16:21it's,
16:21it's not personal.
16:22At all.
16:23He play on Christmas day.
16:24He's a great football player here.
16:26It's not personal,
16:27but I have to do,
16:29I have to hope for what's best for my favorite football team.
16:32And he no longer plays on it.
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