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00:09Music
00:16For years she lived two lives, a mechanic by day and a member of the Uno Bianca by night.
00:23But what is the truth about Fabio Savi?
00:25You've said it once before: behind the Uno Bianca there's the Urti Fanalini plaque.
00:36For seven years you have spread terror across Emilia-Romagna and the Marche.
00:41Today, Savi, what do you call what you did?
00:45Leaf.
00:57But we have to start from the beginning, because we didn't just start committing robberies like this.
01:04I had a business, a business that was open with sacrifice.
01:08I had achieved my dream.
01:10I worked one night at a motorcycle company.
01:13That bad month, I saw a letter, I saw one, throw it in the mailbox
01:20and they informed me that they had kept the court under controlled administration for four years.
01:27All payments were frozen and I had bills to pay at the end of the month, changing the due date and everything.
01:35Suddenly covered in debt to buy equipment, pity yourself.
01:43I don't know how much I felt about that time.
01:47How old was he?
01:4825 years old.
01:50And I met with my brothers often.
01:52My brothers, I had my problems, the ones just mentioned.
01:57They had other problems.
01:59Her brother Roberto had the mortgage on the house, she had an uncollected credit
02:04and his brother Alberto was having financial difficulties.
02:07But today I ask you, wise men, was that a sufficient reason to commit such heinous crimes?
02:13It started with fantasizing, fantasizing about having some extra income, some revenue.
02:20And then we found out that it was all planned.
02:24And we decided to give it a try.
02:31In fact, on June 19, 1987, the first robbery involving a Fiat regata took place at the Pesaro toll booth on the A14.
02:40which was his brother Alberto's car and a cardboard license plate.
02:44Yes.
02:44Do you remember that day?
02:46Yes.
02:46I stayed behind cover, Alberto stayed behind the wheel, and Roberto robbed the toll booth attendant.
02:57And seeing me with that balaclava...
03:03I don't know, he told me a sense of revenge, a sense of revenge for everything I had been through.
03:10and there nobody made any problems.
03:13With a hand gun they were all...
03:17Docile as lambs?
03:19Yes.
03:20A rivalry.
03:22And honestly, I didn't mind committing robberies.
03:34Didn't you think there was another way?
03:38I didn't see any other way.
03:40The other way was to fail.
03:43The first robbery was at the Pesaro toll booth.
03:46Did she think it was the last one?
03:48Yes.
03:50Yes.
03:51But then no one came to pick me up.
03:55But...
03:56I said maybe a second one.
03:58He could do it.
04:07When did you understand that this is no longer a sporadic action but is becoming something bigger, all of this?
04:13Not long after.
04:15When they had robberies, they began to follow one after the other, even a couple a night.
04:24So you did two robberies a night?
04:25Yes, because when the police were running to a toll booth, we weren't sure we wouldn't find them.
04:34'other toll booth.
04:40But in the end, were it mostly the three of you or when did this gang expand?
04:45Today there were three of us and it later expanded with the entry of other accomplices.
04:54Who brought the accomplices?
04:56My brother.
04:57His brother Roberto?
04:58Yes.
04:58A little bit like him this time.
05:13Let's go back to the beginning.
05:14She, Roberto and Alberto.
05:16What was the relationship between you?
05:19A morbid relationship.
05:22Too tight, too unhealthy.
05:25My family has had to move several times due to work, due to...
05:31Where we were arriving...
05:32What did his father do?
05:33My father first worked as a truck driver, then he started working in the relationship.
05:38So we didn't grow up with those healthy friendships that all children who are born and grow up in that environment have.
05:46place.
05:47Wherever we arrived, we were the last to arrive, we were the foreigners.
05:52And as a result, our friends arrived, the three of us.
05:55How do you define this bond?
05:58Toxic.
06:00We decided and it was right.
06:02What others said was we were losers.
06:11What kind of families were you?
06:13Honest parents, a humble family.
06:16But I have heard my father blame the outcome of the three of us several times.
06:24It is not so.
06:26We can only apologize to him for what we did.
06:28My father killed himself because of what we were.
06:36Hasn't she borne the brunt of what you and her brothers did?
06:40He was proud.
06:41Two policemen brothers, an entrepreneur, he was proud of us.
06:45And this is a burden that we carry, at least I carry it inside and I will never point the finger at childhood,
06:54about my father.
06:56Was your father a strict man?
06:58Yes.
06:59Was his father strict or violent?
07:01My father was not violent.
07:03Who took the most hits among the three of you?
07:04And many times I, because one was too big to do the trouble, one was too small, so if
07:09I was the one who was in the middle.
07:10So in your opinion, was there something in your family that influenced who you became?
07:15The thing that brought us down this path is not so much the problems, but the bond that c
07:25'he was among us.
07:26A bond that when we were together made us feel invincible, made us feel helpless.
07:35When does that bond become a stable criminal pact?
07:39There was already an unwritten pact, a pact that then became a criminal pact.
07:47With the commission of the first crimes it became something that should not have been there.
07:56Let's go back to your brother Roberto, have you ever said no to him?
08:00No.
08:01That is, if her brother told her to kill someone, would she do it?
08:07Yes, then maybe I would have asked him why afterwards.
08:19You were masked or, as you say, disguised. What did these disguises consist of?
08:28Make-up, theatrical props, wigs, beards, moustaches, everything we needed for the robbery, in fact.
08:36The Savages were still afraid of being recognized, even though they usually acted in disguise.
08:42And so they did not hesitate to shoot and kill.
08:45It was believed that even the smallest detail could provide a clue to an identification by witnesses.
08:51In the criminal activities that she then carries out, she appears to be an aggressive and bold person.
08:59Do you recognize yourself in these definitions?
09:01No, obviously we're committing a robbery.
09:03It's not that I can, please, could you give me some cash, could you open the safe.
09:11So I could be aggressive, bold like any robber.
09:15She used to say things like 'Give me money, otherwise you'll end up like the ones we killed this evening.'
09:20or don't be an asshole, open this, stay calm, give us money.
09:24Do you recognize yourself in these sentences?
09:25I never said these things.
09:27Just as I never said I had a taste for killing.
09:34And these are all phrases that over the course of the 30-odd years have been repeated, repeated, repeated.
09:44until it becomes a truth.
09:46I went to get money.
09:53She was very good at shooting, she even liked it, right?
09:57Yes, yes.
09:58Where had he learned it?
10:01Shooting range, with my brothers, shooting in the river, in the quarries.
10:05I liked to ally myself and I just didn't misuse it.
10:10Why do you stop robbing toll booths?
10:14Because we had insisted too much.
10:17The police were laying wait, hiding in the toll booths to wait,
10:26see who, if we had struck that evening, they said enough, we have to put a stop to it.
10:33Let's change the objective, let's call it that.
10:43From the toll booths you move on to the armored vehicles, so the level of ferocity and violence increases.
10:49Certain.
10:49What was happening?
10:50Sometimes we managed to take them away, to disarm them, other times we didn't manage it.
10:57to get within range and they shot me.
11:07What is the escalation?
11:09We have turned the toll booths into supermarket offices, post offices, vans, armored vehicles and banks.
11:23How was a bank robbery planned?
11:26We put a stolen car with a camera on the back floor.
11:40We studied these videos to get to know the people who actually worked in that bank.
11:47After that we showed up early in the morning.
11:52As usual, a jailer arrived, a deputy director arrived.
11:55Usually I was the one who approached him.
11:58It was me because I was the least recognizable, not being part of the police force.
12:04I got in the car with him.
12:05I explained to him what he should do.
12:09When the second employee arrived, according to the instructions I had given him, he called him.
12:14He made him get in the car there with me.
12:17He entered through the compass, turned off all the alarms, opened the panic door on the side.
12:21From there I entered with the other employee.
12:23Once all the employees had arrived, the opening of the time safe and the ATM began.
12:28The safe that contained the video recorder with the video footage.
12:37We had to stay calm to strengthen calm.
12:40I expect to see a calm robber, I expect to see an agitated robber, who can lose at any moment
12:45the head.
12:46After that we left, we always left through the panic room.
12:51Over time, your attacks become more and more violent, almost like military raids.
12:56Is this a deliberate choice?
12:58Yes.
12:59I mean, what was the point?
13:00A security guard doing his job, sees someone coming with his hands in his pockets, has an attitude.
13:06A security guard who sees someone arriving with a pump-action shotgun and behaving in a certain manner has a
13:13another attitude.
13:14We are more certain that he does not react.
13:19But always there, you have to get close to it because otherwise they react.
13:24Who among you decided when to shoot?
13:27There was no one deciding when to shoot.
13:32It was decided that if there was a need, we would behave in that way.
13:42Where does this ever-increasing level of violence come from?
13:46The violence that grows in us, because at a certain point it is not a robbery that leads,
13:51we are the ones who are more inclined to parry.
13:54From a situation that had degenerated.
13:58Degenerate like a car going downhill without brakes.
14:03And sooner or later he has to hit a wall, he has to stop.
14:08And we found the wall.
14:22The robberies between 90 and 92 were planned in detail.
14:27Who was the mastermind?
14:28They reasoned together.
14:30Obviously a craftsman who has never done anything wrong.
14:35I mean her?
14:36It's not that he can.
14:39Others had been informed by the state.
14:41That is, his brothers?
14:42Well, that's obvious.
14:44It's a logical argument.
14:47That is, did his brothers teach them?
14:49Who could I learn from?
14:57Look, at a certain point you start shooting even if you don't have to.
15:02When does everything change?
15:06I have never shot unnecessarily.
15:10Well, there are people who died without doing anything.
15:16I have never shot unnecessarily.
15:20These defendants that you are beginning to know today and that you must judge
15:26they terrorized entire categories.
15:30Security guards, bank employees, post office employees, petrol station attendants.
15:36That is, did she only shoot when there was a firefight to return fire?
15:40Is this what you mean?
15:41I took out a couple of cases that I hurt from people.
15:44I never shot anything other than those cases.
15:48So why was she shooting?
15:50I shot when I was in trouble, when I was in danger, when I was
15:54or when they shot at me.
15:57Unfortunately, it is not necessary to spend many more words to describe the absolute brutality,
16:03the gratuitous violence, the contempt for human life demonstrated by the wise men on the occasion
16:09and the pleasure of using weapons even against defenseless victims or in other ways that can be neutralized.
16:15Among the victims there are carabinieri, policemen, security guards, civilians, people who worked
16:23or they passed by chance.
16:26Did you realize you were hitting people, not targets, or not?
16:55There are 24 dead, and behind these dead are families.
17:00Have you ever imagined the void left by all these people and their families?
17:07Certain.
17:08Unfortunately, there's no going back; you can't rewrite your life.
17:12Do you remember the first murder?
17:17I remember them, I remember them but I don't want to talk to them.
17:25And do you remember the faces of any of these victims?
17:29Yes.
17:30Of everyone?
17:33Not all, not all because many are nothing.
17:39But I still remember, yes.
17:43Do you remember where you were when you saw the first person die?
17:51What did you say that?
17:52It's difficult.
17:57Where is smoking?
17:58Do you want to smoke?
18:00An entire region, and in particular its three provinces, lived in terror for months, if not years.
18:12January 4, 1991, Bologna, the Pillar massacre.
18:17Three carabinieri killed, I want to remember their names.
18:20Otello Stefanini, Mauro Mitilini and Andrea Moneta.
18:24That evening the pillar is shrouded in fog.
18:26I remember exactly what happened.
18:30The smoke passed, the brake light on their car came on, I sat in the back.
18:39Alberto drives it and Roberto alongside.
18:42Roberto exposed himself from the window fearing that they would stop us.
18:46He let off a few shots.
18:51Then they stopped us, they accelerated and we stopped.
18:56Let's go back, turn around, leave.
18:59In the fog, you could hear engines revving, revving...
19:05We thought they had called for reinforcements.
19:08We didn't see the cars coming, but we could hear these engines at full speed, at full...
19:15We thought that if they didn't read the license plate, maybe they would have done the terminal and called for reinforcements.
19:28So we couldn't go back.
19:30We said let's go forward, we'll turn at the first crossroads.
19:34It's just that before the crossroads where we intended to turn, there were them.
19:43Evidently one of the shots hit the driver.
19:47And they were out of the car and started shooting.
19:52Who started shooting first?
19:53Roberto started firing the first shots at the rear part of their car, the lower part.
20:02And when we get there, I remember the bullet holes in our car.
20:11Roberto was also injured.
20:14As he was going down, a bullet went through the door and lodged in the ossicle.
20:25And at that point they saw our faces and there was only one way it could end.
20:34And so it ended.
20:55Was it a planned action or a reaction?
20:58No, we were going to the Pilastro neighborhood to steal some cars, to commit robberies.
21:03It was a coincidence.
21:06When did you realize that those three boys would never get back up?
21:10And then I found out.
21:22That night I stayed at Roberto's house because he was injured.
21:27And the next day I went to...
21:29On his son's birthday.
21:31Exact.
21:32But I was a third and you find it.
21:37And so I went back to Bologna to look after my brother.
21:43And then you see the state funeral.
21:50And it was very heavy to see.
22:02After that night, were you scared or did you feel stronger?
22:06No, not stronger.
22:08It was one of those steps that led to the desire to close, to say enough.
22:24They were kids, we were kids.
22:28By the way, it was a very violent episode.
22:30These gunshots sounded a bit like war.
22:36It's a firefight like that, huh?
22:44Other people had been accused of the pillar's collapse.
22:49The Sant'Agata brothers with some accomplices.
22:51Who were also imprisoned, by the way.
22:53Until you confess.
22:55But didn't she feel guilty that someone who had nothing to do with it was going to prison?
22:59Well, he didn't do the pleasure.
23:00In fact the first thing, since we had the definitive life sentence,
23:05It was the work that I did, to exonerate these people.
23:08Honestly when you see Peter Sant'Agata come out live on TV,
23:14you see the father, the father who was crying for joy.
23:20And there were journalists of course, there was the camera and everything.
23:25So I wanted him to be my father.
23:28And my father cried like this.
23:37On May 21, 1991, there was a robbery in Via Volturno in Bologna,
23:41where the owner loses her life.
23:44There is Anzaloni and Pietro Capolungo, who worked with her.
23:47He was a former carabiniere.
23:49How did things go that time?
23:51We go in to rob some weapons and...
23:55Capolungo probably saw my brother.
24:01I didn't even know that he was one of the last customers of that gun shop.
24:06But he told me he had never been inside.
24:08Perhaps feeling strong from his presence,
24:11he put his hand under the counter, selected the alarm,
24:15and he started saying that now they're coming, now they'll arrest you,
24:18at that point of hoping.
24:21Then I turned to the lady and...
24:27She opened the door.
24:29We were leaving, we were already leaving, we were leaving.
24:34And he said if you have a Rimini accent...
24:37You have a Rimini accent.
24:39They'll get you.
24:42And he told me the wrong sentence.
24:45I have no other choice.
24:52Then they were made there
24:55hundreds of hypotheses, conspiracies.
24:59Even Capolungo's son
25:02he said, repeating many times that I wasn't there.
25:07I would have liked not to be there too.
25:09But I was there.
25:12And we talk about conspiracies, secret services,...
25:19The most absurd things.
25:21Then they also talked, heard about the footprints on the...
25:26There were a lot of footprints in that armory.
25:29In an armory.
25:29It was a place open to the public.
25:31People come in, they touch.
25:32It's normal.
25:34If we want to hunt down everyone who has entered a normal store who finds the footprint.
25:40But the responsibility is yours alone.
25:42The responsibility is ours alone, not anyone else's.
25:44And there's no one else behind it.
25:48Because I was there.
25:50And there was no one else.
25:52But why did your brother decide to rob a gun shop in the center of Bologna?
25:56Where was there a passage?
25:57Where did the police pass by?
25:59But the police also pass outside the center.
26:03It is not known where the patrol car on duty is at that moment.
26:07The fact is that there is a maze of little streets and alleys there that once you get out you could have
26:16go anywhere.
26:18It would have really taken an army to saturate that area.
26:22While if you go to a village in the open countryside it is easily identifiable.
26:33Among the most serious incidents was the attack on the post office on Via Mazzini, which left 67 people injured.
26:43It is January 15, 1990.
26:46Why get to that level of violence?
26:48There were pensions, so lots of money.
26:51That was just supposed to be a threat.
26:53Your brother and an accomplice detonate a bomb?
26:58No.
26:58It doesn't explode.
26:59Yes, the device explodes.
27:01But they didn't go there with the intention of detonating the device inside the post office.
27:06Because they could have detonated it from the outside, directly in the armored sector.
27:12So what was the intent?
27:13The intent was a threat.
27:14Only Gugliotta started shooting in the air inside the office.
27:18Panic ensued.
27:19I see people going out.
27:21For me it was a mistake.
27:22For me, panic set in and that's when these things came out.
27:32That is, was there a strategy of terror, let's say, behind it?
27:35The instigator and fear?
27:36No, no, no.
27:37No strategy of terror.
27:39We need a billion and a half to get.
27:41And that's it.
27:42This whole story revolves around a woman, Eva Micula.
27:47What was your relationship with Eva Micula like?
27:49He was fine.
27:51Were you in love?
27:52So we were going to get married.
27:54Were you a different person with Eva?
27:57I was different with everyone and...
28:02outside of work.
28:05But at a certain point I transformed.
28:07Did she know what you were doing, what she was doing?
28:10She didn't know everything completely, but Eva Micula was with me during the escape.
28:14Was she in love?
28:15I do.
28:17But she was too.
28:18She wouldn't have been around for thirty years.
28:21Because even after the arrest, you somehow remained connected.
28:25You have always remained close.
28:27She helped me get over it, I always thank her for that,
28:31but it helped us get through some really difficult times.
28:34Then over the years Eva said that you were violent?
28:37But when ever?
28:37If I dared to react or say something,
28:42that I don't know why you did it,
28:45or what was wrong,
28:49then we started arguing and he threatened me.
28:54Then where are these certificates?
28:57Where are broken ribs, torn hair?
29:01But I don't know what movie he saw.
29:03I don't think he was afraid of me, I don't think so.
29:05At a certain point Eva decides to collaborate.
29:08What do you feel?
29:09Anger?
29:10Fear?
29:10Do you feel betrayed?
29:12I was the one who told her to throw everything on me.
29:15Why did he tell her to cooperate?
29:17To save yourself.
29:18To get out of it clean.
29:20He also told her to go to my parents.
29:22She was once put in a bunker underground,
29:25to protect her from whoever is there.
29:26When you walk the waters you do what you want.
29:29Then maybe you want to leave and you leave.
29:31But now go there, they're waiting for you, you stay there quietly.
29:34And nothing, she had other things on her mind.
29:38We have to play the wild goat.
29:41Mrs. Micula says that you had some propensity
29:45to shoot at non-EU citizens.
29:48Mrs. Micula, as she called her,
29:50he says a lot of things.
29:52But really, many.
29:54Probably in my opinion he is just trying
29:56to read in the eyes of the person in front of you what they want you to say.
30:00She's good then.
30:01Yes, she's very good.
30:02But I was marrying a Romanian
30:05who lived in the slums of Romania
30:0720 kilometers from the border with Ukraine.
30:10So I don't feel like I'm a racist.
30:13Then it happened.
30:15You shot and killed two black boys.
30:18and one was wounded.
30:19Yes, but why there?
30:20Because there was a fight in the street,
30:22a verbal clash.
30:27And we follow him
30:31and it went like this, it went like this.
30:44Then after that it was a huge disappointment
30:47because at the moment he decided to wear the clothes
30:49of Little Red Riding Hood...
30:51Why does she call her Little Red Riding Hood?
30:52Because there's Little Red Riding Hood on the cover.
30:55The cover of the book Eva wrote.
30:57And I'm the big bad wolf, as I growl.
31:04And that's where I get the name Little Red Riding Hood.
31:07What would you like to tell her today?
31:08Now he'll probably be tied to the finger
31:11for this interview.
31:13But I can't accept
31:14to be described, painted
31:17like a kind of man I've always hated.
31:25In 103 episodes you left
31:28a single footprint and a single image.
31:31Did you feel smarter than those who were looking for you?
31:33Yes.
31:35She also told the prosecutor
31:39Paci who was questioning her
31:40that she didn't even recognize herself
31:42in that image.
31:43No, no...
31:45Aside from the fact that I was carrying
31:47always a beard.
31:48They said I will see
31:50those images in his jaw.
31:51Yes.
31:52Don't you agree?
31:54No.
31:55The bandits made a grave mistake.
31:57In fact, they left it on the spot
31:59the videotape with the footage
32:00of the entrance of the credit institution
32:02from which the investigators
32:04they took some frames.
32:05As seen
32:06those photographs later constituted
32:09a crucial clue
32:10for the discovery before Fabio Savi
32:13and therefore of his accomplices.
32:15Although the defendant denied it
32:16those photos viewed by the court
32:19make it perfectly distinguishable.
32:29In her opinion
32:30what was the fatal mistake
32:33what led to your capture?
32:35I have developed this belief
32:37practically that
32:39someone saw us
32:41to change cars
32:43after a robbery
32:44he saw us getting out of a car
32:47used for robbery
32:48he recognized us
32:53later he learned that he knew
32:54that that car
32:57it was used
32:58from those of the White Uro
32:59he connected
33:00and called the prosecutor's office.
33:01The deeds told
33:02who were two policemen
33:04Baglione and Costanza
33:06to follow you
33:08because they intercepted a little
33:09your way of doing things
33:10that is, they said
33:11if they do stakeouts
33:12we make them too
33:13maybe we'll get them
33:14and from there they recognize a car
33:16which they hypothesize
33:17may be on to something
33:18then they follow you
33:19they come to her
33:20at his house
33:22they ask for his document
33:23to the municipality
33:24and there is his fishing license
33:26which is then the same
33:27to this image.
33:28Their reasoning
33:29there is
33:30to carry out stakeouts
33:31exactly like we did
33:33don't make a wrinkle.
33:33The policemen
33:35they went to Bologna
33:36to try to understand
33:37Who was Roberto Satti?
33:39well
33:39when we found out
33:41than building a policeman
33:42the state police
33:44has intensified
33:45in a formidable way
33:47any type of control
33:48any type of activity
33:50to justify
33:51to unmask
33:52the authors of the bank.
33:53And when she is arrested
33:54is with Eva Micula
33:56was she a fugitive?
33:57Yes
33:57so I from
33:59Rattorimini
34:00Bologna
34:01he stopped to sleep
34:03at the motorway service station
34:04we left again
34:06we passed through Milan
34:07we took the train to Mestre
34:08Master
34:09the service area has arrived
34:11the service has arrived
34:12and I relaxed.
34:27She starts to say
34:28I'm stopping
34:29you go
34:30I'm stopping
34:31then tell me the appointment
34:32in a hotel in Budapest
34:35No
34:36I said
34:36I'm not going
34:37I said
34:37I'm stopping too.
34:45I took the gun apart
34:46I had a 9x21
34:49perretta
34:51charger
34:53inserted
34:54shot in the barrel
34:55five spare magazines
34:59I threw everything away
35:00inside the draft
35:02I will fire the shot
35:04that I had in my barrel
35:04he found it again
35:06in the bag
35:06the gun
35:08they found it
35:09completely dismantled
35:10I said
35:11All right
35:11let's call them
35:12she put
35:14there
35:15physics 113
35:16he closed it to him
35:17communication
35:18and I said
35:19wait come on
35:19so much now
35:20they arrive
35:26at midnight
35:27they always arrived
35:29for coffee
35:29of the beginning
35:30I'll be back eventually
35:31Nothing
35:31they didn't understand
35:32who I was
35:32they didn't understand
35:34I had a driving license
35:35in hand
35:35in the end
35:36he said
35:36we can do a check
35:37Please
35:38they did a check
35:39the terminal
35:40it was in lockdown
35:41we went out
35:42from the motorway restaurant
35:43we leaned on each other
35:44to the car
35:44meanwhile
35:45we were talking
35:45from Friuli
35:46he was chatting it up
35:47but vividly
35:47with the forces
35:48of the order
35:48the block is over
35:50practically
35:50they got the answer
35:51from the power station
35:53they turned white
35:55and you can rest assured
35:56I told him
35:58I am unarmed
35:59inside with the bag
36:00there is a gun
36:01he said
36:01he only asks you
36:01a courtesy
36:02the girl
36:03it has nothing to do with it
36:04it doesn't have a throttle
36:05and to me if you can
36:06don't put pressure on me
36:07and don't put your back on me
36:09the back
36:10but he didn't satisfy
36:14terminus
36:15so they don't speak
36:16by lucambolesti
36:17and remains
36:19because it's not true
36:32today the documents
36:33they have been digitized
36:35there is somehow
36:36the will
36:36to reopen
36:38some chapters
36:39of this story
36:40what can be discovered
36:42Still?
36:42Nothing
36:43that for many years
36:44they gave
36:45ghost hunting
36:53there was no loin
36:54of secret services
36:55there wasn't
36:57terrorism
36:57there wasn't
36:58aversive groups
36:59system groups
37:00there is nothing
37:02we were
37:03three losers
37:04said very clearly
37:06that they invented
37:08of the robberies
37:08and then they lost their minds
37:10they have degenerated
37:11Enough
37:11that's all there is to it
37:13All right
37:14get ready
37:14if we want
37:15get ready
37:16we were training
37:17but
37:20but that's what we were
37:38has she ever had
37:39the feeling
37:40to be protected
37:40from someone
37:41or was it just
37:42an illusion?
37:42No
37:44I have never had
37:45none of these
37:48of fantasies
37:50protected by whom?
37:52evidently
37:52they didn't know
37:53do their job
37:54but
37:54he doesn't have
37:56or they couldn't
37:58Do
37:58but
38:00due to disorganization
38:01for no other reason
38:02protected
38:03Why?
38:05from what?
38:07I'm still
38:08in career
38:08after 32 years
38:09the magistrate
38:11Daniele Paci
38:12has always excluded
38:13of the covers
38:13says too many people
38:15involved
38:15in the investigations
38:16to be able to hide
38:17the truth
38:17does she agree?
38:18yes I agree
38:19Yes
38:19but I've always had
38:20the utmost respect
38:22of his face
38:24he was an enemy
38:25in that period
38:27but
38:27he behaved
38:28in a manner
38:29extremely correct
38:30he did his job
38:31he did
38:33nothing to say
38:34maximum respect
38:35if there were any
38:35of magistrates like this
38:36when it is discovered
38:37that those responsible
38:38of the White Uno
38:39they are policemen
38:40it's a shock
38:41for the country
38:42she and you
38:44have you ever thought
38:45to this thing?
38:47no, honestly
38:48I never thought of this
38:49also because
38:49I have never brought
38:53a uniform
38:53Perhaps
38:54they yes
38:55they heard us
38:56so
38:56powerless
38:57what do we say?
38:58they will never engage us
39:00and this is a delirium
39:04today when she
39:05he hears talking
39:06of policemen
39:07that betray
39:08the uniform
39:09as the case
39:09of Rogoredo
39:10what do you think?
39:12if it's true
39:13what they say
39:14a dirty uniform
39:15what he did
39:17what he did
39:18I
39:18at 32 years old
39:19of prison
39:20I don't carry anything
39:20to no one
39:29what did he do
39:30in these 32 years?
39:32I found myself
39:32in a world
39:33that I didn't know
39:34after the first few years
39:36of isolation
39:37because it's been three years
39:38and a half of isolation
39:41and come out of isolation
39:42because I saw the balls
39:43of light flying
39:45I saw the shadows
39:46behind the shoulders
39:47from there they moved me
39:49in
39:50they took me out of isolation
39:54and I went to the session
39:56until one day
39:57where I found myself
39:58sitting on the ground
39:59with two confessions
40:00of wine
40:00drunk
40:01I told myself
40:02what the fuck
40:02you're doing
40:03I threw it away
40:04these confessions
40:05from there he sees me
40:06to study
40:09to commit
40:10to frame
40:12the situation
40:12to frame
40:13what was the route
40:14that I should have done
40:15and everything else
40:16I had to react
40:17or I let myself die
40:20or I reacted
40:21start studying
40:22I have always based
40:23all about IT
40:24and cyber security
40:26until arriving
40:26the certification
40:27of cyber security
40:28subsequently
40:29it was proposed to me
40:30a course
40:31by design
40:34on AutoCAD
40:35in simple words
40:37what does he do?
40:38I work for a company
40:40that plants
40:41columns
40:42for charging
40:44of electric cars
40:45what gives her
40:45this job?
40:47Handsome
40:47I like
40:48it makes me feel good
40:49it makes me feel
40:50very far away
40:51from that Fabio
40:52which was
40:53who came
40:54to find her
40:54in these years?
40:55my son
40:56my daughter-in-law
40:57my little niece
40:59his son
41:00what does he feel?
41:01for her?
41:07he loves me
41:10and what I see
41:11I see a boy
41:13that I condemned
41:14to grow
41:14without a father
41:15that by now
41:16he became a man
41:17I left him
41:18at the nursery
41:18what does he say
41:20her son to her?
41:21my son told me something
41:22once
41:22remember
41:23that the first time
41:24who shot
41:24he shot at me
41:28Why
41:28I could never be there
41:32for her
41:32on the most important days
41:35I wasn't there
41:36first day
41:36of school
41:37I wasn't there
41:39in high school
41:40I wasn't there
41:40when there was
41:41there was no crime
41:42I wasn't there
41:44I was never there
41:46I wasn't there
41:46when he got married
41:57she today
41:58when he thinks
41:58to the victims
41:59what do you think?
42:00all people
42:01that are no longer there
42:02they torment
42:03Why
42:03he shouldn't have
42:05to be
42:05I will pay forever
42:08then they
42:09we talked
42:10so much
42:13an apology
42:14of the missed apologies
42:17but I these people
42:19I don't have them
42:20lent a foot
42:21to apologize to him
42:24I am at least
42:25twenty years
42:26that introduce me
42:27to write
42:28a letter of apology
42:29I've never done it
42:31I've never done it
42:33why a letter
42:34I would take it
42:35five minutes
42:36to write it
42:36it would be all the flavor
42:38Of
42:39it would be very literary
42:40it would be instrumental
42:42would be
42:45Therefore
42:46I entrusted myself
42:48to the institutions
42:49it was first
42:51a path
42:52of jurisdictions
42:52reparative
42:55Then
42:55a path
42:57of mediation
42:58criminal
42:58They
42:59they contacted
43:01from before
43:04people
43:05nearby
43:05to the succession
43:06of family members
43:08of the victims
43:09Yes
43:09it's just
43:11that there was
43:11a clear refusal
43:13on their part
43:13they are absolutely right
43:15of the world
43:15I understand them
43:16in their place
43:18probably
43:19I would behave
43:20in the same way
43:22but I think
43:24That
43:24a meeting
43:26if there had been
43:28a
43:29comparison
43:30it would have been helpful
43:31both to me
43:32that to them
43:32everyone
43:34they welcomed
43:34our invitation
43:36to be
43:37here today
43:39first of all
43:40the family members
43:41of the victims
43:41of the crimes
43:42atrocious
43:43and of the massacres
43:44attributed
43:45to the band
43:46of the White Uno
43:48I can only
43:48look for
43:49to be better
43:49look for
43:50Of
43:51leave
43:52a door
43:53open
43:53which by now
43:53they wanted
43:56without
43:57torment them
43:58without
43:59to be intrusive
44:01without
44:03without
44:06other
44:08they if they want
44:10why am I here
44:12under this same roof
44:14a few dozen
44:15of meters
44:16from her
44:16there is also
44:16his brother
44:17Roberto
44:18What kind of relationship are you in today?
44:20we have no relationship
44:21How come?
44:22the relationship itself
44:23that there was
44:23a relationship
44:24so
44:26toxic
44:27That
44:28practically
44:29he left nothing else
44:30she had listened
44:31an interrogation
44:32of his brother
44:33Where
44:33his brother
44:34in essence
44:35a bit
44:35he was passing the buck
44:36a bit
44:38Yes
44:39a bit
44:41so much
44:41she felt
44:42betrayed
44:43from his brother
44:43Roberto?
44:46oh well
44:46a little bit yes
44:48a little bit yes
44:49the relationship
44:50it's broken now
44:51and it remains broken
44:53Here you are
44:53it's not that
44:55I wish him
44:56Everything OK
44:56Then
44:56as much as he says
44:58I do not know
44:58Why
44:58we are ours
45:00on prison
45:00they come to tell me
45:07of the years
45:08there has always been
45:08a bit
45:09suspended
45:09this thesis
45:10that you
45:10you were tied up
45:11to some environments
45:13far right
45:14what does she answer?
45:18nothing more
45:19more false
45:21Yes
45:21I know
45:22that he
45:23in the 70s
45:26he would have gone
45:27would have accomplished
45:29of the acts
45:30with groups
45:31far right
45:33but
45:34child prodigy
45:35because in the 70s
45:36he still carried
45:37trousers to shorts
45:38then politics
45:39I come to know
45:41I come to know
45:42now that
45:42he took care of
45:43of politics
45:43That
45:45I've never seen it
45:48deal with politics
45:49or things like that
45:50he went fishing
45:52he was riding a motorbike
45:52he was going
45:55that was his policy
45:56have you ever been
45:57linked to any group?
45:58No
45:59in your crimes?
46:00we had a group
46:01closed
46:03and he never entered
46:04no one else
46:06personally
46:06I listened
46:08dozens and dozens
46:09of defendants
46:10of prisoners
46:11of any origin
46:13all those
46:14that happened to me
46:15under the hands
46:15in my business
46:17professional
46:17every time
46:19they could have been arrested
46:20for anything
46:21the last question was
46:22but what does she know?
46:23of the Aulubian?
46:25Nothing
46:25never anything
46:27I remember that
46:28a robber
46:29a major robber
46:31in our neighborhood
46:32he told me a sentence
46:33that I have not forgotten
46:35he told me
46:36doctor
46:37I'm looking for more than her
46:39the assassins
46:39of the Aulubian
46:40and I asked him
46:41but why?
46:42but doctor
46:43if I had
46:44a piece of information
46:45or a news item
46:46on those murderers
46:47Certainly
46:48I would get a bounty
46:49very high
46:50one billion
46:51two billion
46:52because the State
46:53has every interest
46:54to close this size
46:55and instead
46:57from the world
46:57of crime
46:58from the world
46:59of the collaborators
47:00of justice
47:01and these sayings
47:01repent
47:02not a single piece of news
47:03in these years
47:04in prison
47:04What
47:05she missed it
47:05moreover
47:06of life outside?
47:07the problems
47:07I missed them
47:10economic problems
47:12the blasphemies
47:13For
47:16go out
47:16from situations
47:17unpleasant
47:21I missed it
47:22all that
47:22that I despised
47:23have you ever thought
47:25how about
47:25it would have been
47:26his life
47:26if it were
47:27stopped before?
47:28it would have been better
47:29if it had never started
47:32if I were
47:34stopped before
47:35probably
47:36I would be a truck driver
47:38I wouldn't have had
47:41shadows
47:42behind the shoulders
47:42Here you are
47:43after all that
47:44who said
47:45I do them
47:45a question
47:46simple
47:46if he went back
47:48would you do it again?
47:49No
47:52and then
47:52why didn't he stop?
47:53the question
47:54I do it too
47:55many times
47:55why he decided
47:56to talk today?
47:57Why
47:59I am
48:0130 years old
48:02that everyone
48:03they talk about me
48:04I was
48:05described
48:06in all ways
48:10I
48:10I would never have
48:11wanted to be
48:12that Fabio
48:13of those 7 years
48:14but that Fabio
48:14there is no more
48:15there is no more
48:16of life
48:23I hear one last question
48:25in all these robberies
48:26How much did you earn?
48:28I don't remember
48:29not the numbers
48:31That
48:33we should have earned
48:35Anyway
48:37to improve
48:38I
48:38I paid my debts
48:42once
48:43paid
48:43all my debts
48:44I sold
48:45the activity
48:46Why
48:48at this point
48:50I wasn't high anymore
48:52for that job
48:53and I entered
48:54in another dimension
48:57let's talk about
48:58more than a billion
48:59more than two billion
49:01I think so
49:02where did they end up
49:03this money?
49:05money is spent
49:05the money that arrived
49:08so easily
49:09they go away
49:09just as easily
49:10that is, how did you spend them?
49:12how did she spend them?
49:13we allow ourselves
49:15something
49:15moreover
49:18a new car
49:20a new motorcycle
49:23stupidly
49:25but spent
49:26in the manner
49:27more stupid
49:28which could have been
49:29did he spend it all?
49:30it's good
49:35Now
49:35who gives her the money
49:36For
49:37the work
49:38nothing?
49:39sometimes
49:41I think that
49:42if I had studied
49:43Before
49:44how much I studied
49:46in the last
49:49in these 30 years
49:50in prison
49:54maybe I wouldn't have had
49:55need
49:55to do
49:56who knows what
49:57to unleash
49:58all that
49:59which then was
50:01she told me
50:02the whole truth
50:03in this interview
50:04Yes
50:05the truth
50:06which then
50:06it is detectable
50:07on file
50:09And
50:09if there were any
50:10some doubts
50:11I wrote
50:12to the prosecutor's office
50:13of the republic
50:14asking to be heard
50:16I
50:16more than insuring
50:18maximum availability
50:19and transparency
50:21I can't do it
50:23so much
50:23All
50:25it's already been said
50:26it's important
50:27that they want
50:28Truly
50:30to establish
50:31a truth
50:32and that's it
50:34from the moment
50:36that still
50:37they insist
50:38after 32 years
50:40on levels
50:42occult
50:42on
50:44trips
50:45of my brother
50:46in Rome
50:47but
50:49how could it be
50:50three days
50:51in Rome
50:52every week
50:54when there are
50:55the shifts
50:56of service
50:57that he doesn't
50:57they allowed
50:59how could he
51:01have contacts
51:03have been analyzed
51:05all the tables
51:05telephones
51:06up to ten years
51:08backwards
51:08at the time
51:10and it didn't emerge
51:11Nothing
51:13not at all
51:13she means
51:14none
51:14collection
51:15with equipment
51:16of the State?
51:17No
51:17absolutely
51:18No
51:18absolutely
51:19No
51:20she is scared
51:21of this new one
51:21investigation?
51:22I am afraid
51:23because I don't have
51:25nothing to hide
51:27how do you feel?
51:28in front of
51:28to what she
51:29consider lies
51:30of his brother?
51:31the brother
51:32should do
51:33an examination of conscience
51:34should remember
51:36first
51:37how he behaved
51:38him
51:38even
51:39towards his own brothers
51:41and I'll stop here
51:42because I don't want to go down
51:43at levels
51:44that don't belong to me
51:45there is something
51:46what does it mean?
51:46to his brother?
51:48No
51:49absolutely nothing
51:51he considers it
51:52a traitor?
51:55apparently
52:25apparently
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