L'intervista di Bruno Vespa a Massimo Bossetti, detenuto nel carcere di Bollate dove sta scontando l'ergastolo per l'omicidio di Yara Gambirasio.
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00:00Mr. Bossetti, if you didn't kill Iara Gambirasio, who did?
00:06I would like to know that too.
00:09Who did he think of? Who could?
00:16Let's go back to that 26th November 2010, 6.45pm, Iara goes out and she is in those parts,
00:28she doesn't remember anything about that afternoon.
00:31For me that day was a very normal day where I always did the same things.
00:37Then I remember in a conversation with the lawyers the knowledge was brought that that day it was raining, maybe it was snowing.
00:48and I hadn't worked, not having worked, I hadn't worked because the environmental conditions,
00:55The weather conditions at the time did not allow me to construct various properties.
01:01So I will definitely have used the time for various errands, such as going to construction centers,
01:09to purchase various materials for the construction site, going to an accountant.
01:14But she said she was going to Brembate for work.
01:18But if he didn't work that day, why did he go to Brembate?
01:23So, it was a road, that one was a habitual road, a habitual route to get to the construction site.
01:32That day, it may be that I, using the various free time, to take advantage of the various errands to do,
01:44even if I passed by there, I would have been to the accountant, because it was standard practice for the accountant
01:53he called me at the weekend to bring the company documents.
01:59And I remember, this is a clear memory, because in the records there is a payment, a tax form,
02:06an F24, which I paid the tax delegation on that very day.
02:11But did the accountant say that you were with him that day?
02:14It seems to me that the accountant has no precise memory of whether it was that day or the days before,
02:21but I passed by...
02:22That day at that time?
02:23I definitely passed by...
02:28Let's say that she, even though she didn't go to work, was there that day.
02:32This is demonstrated by the telephone cells and also by the fact that his van was...
02:40So, since you're talking about cell towers,
02:44It's true that the telephone cells have hooked up to poor Iana's phone and my phone,
02:52But be careful, we need to explain these steps well.
02:57The last time poor Iana's phone was connected was at 6.55pm from the cell, the antenna in Brambate Sopra.
03:05Bossetti's last phone call was at 5.45pm, if I wasn't, 46.
03:13The same antenna hooked up the two phone signals,
03:17but be careful, that antenna that hooked the two telephones,
03:21that antenna has been confirmed by my consultants that that antenna also covers the signal of my house.
03:28So I could very well have been at my house.
03:31But was she Brambate or was she at her house?
03:35I cannot remember this now after all these years, however, as is confirmed by the documents,
03:42the antenna connects to both telephone lines, but the same antenna also has coverage in my house.
03:51Excuse me, but it's not very strange that your phone was turned off at 5.45 pm that day.
03:58and turned back on at 7.45 the next day?
04:02It's not strange, because at the time I had an obsolete phone and the battery charge wasn't that suitable.
04:12for Western falls in construction sites, in water, in concrete.
04:16It was standard practice that it would turn off automatically.
04:20Mr. Bossetti, did you pass out for all those hours that day?
04:26No, because then, I repeat, once I got home, not having the adapter, I never turned it on again.
04:33because I wasn't interested and I turned it on the day I entered the construction site.
04:38The next day it was under construction.
04:39Take the side of the prosecution, doesn't that sound strange to you?
04:43Is this phone suspension, exactly at those hours, for such an unnatural length of time?
04:49But it wasn't just that day, it happened often on other days too.
04:53And I would like to point out that the two telephones were located at two incompatible time zones and in two different municipalities.
05:08That is, one in Brembate above, the last in Gancio da Povera Iara and the other in Mappello.
05:13Why? On June 16, 2014, when you were stopped, did you instinctively run away when you saw the police?
05:20When did they come to stay on the construction site?
05:22Yes.
05:22No, it depends on who wants to see.
05:26Those three steps that are depicted as an instinctive gesture of escape, are not because Bossetti was running away.
05:34I was warned, as you all heard, by the foreman, Piero, shouting at me
05:40Massi, come down, Massi, come down.
05:43I don't do anything but what to do. I was building a roof for an attic.
05:47I just get up, put down the aluminum rod, and approach with the trowel.
05:53I don't even have time to get close to the scaffolding, much less enter the trapdoor to go down to the lower floor.
05:59I see a policeman, a big guy, emerge from the scaffolding and order me to stop.
06:07And I note that my boots were immersed in a jet of water 15-20 centimeters deep.
06:13It was impossible to escape, but then excuse me for a moment, but who and what did I have to escape from?
06:20Throwing myself off a scaffolding, risking being impaled by the pirates' calls below.
06:24No, I wasn't running away, I was just reaching the scaffolding to go down the trapdoor to the lower floor,
06:31since the site manager had called me.
06:34Then it depends on what you want to see.
06:36Diara was 13 years old. On the computer she has at home there are demonstrations of her visiting sites.
06:49portographic.
06:5013 years for virgin sex.
06:53No, it was found in the computer, but my wife and I were using the computers.
07:01I'm terrible at computers.
07:04I used the computer, through my wife, when we were having a moment of intimacy on the sofa,
07:12when the kids were in bed, to keep your attention a little, right?
07:16We used to go to those pornographic sites a little bit to see some curiosities and everything.
07:22But I repeat, neither my wife nor I have ever done any research like this.
07:27Never.
07:27But how did it come out, excuse me, 13 years for virgin sex?
07:32I can't choose this, but I can...
07:33Because even with his wife it appears that she viewed sites that involved, even minors, even people,
07:40meanwhile she had a 13-year-old son, in short, they involved girls her son's age.
07:46Did you and your wife watch these videos?
07:48Absolutely not.
07:48And why not?
07:49No, my wives are better.
07:50No, sorry, my consultant Nanni Bassetti has always said that they are all, what are they called, strings,
07:59which are produced automatically.
08:01They are not typed by a human operator, they are produced automatically.
08:04I repeat that even if I had been at home...
08:07What does automatic mean?
08:08Sorry, please bear with me.
08:09She on my computer at a certain point comes up 13 years sex...
08:13And I explain, when you enter into a computer, this is what my consultant explained to me,
08:16that you click on a particular word, as I already mentioned.
08:22Which one, for example?
08:22For example, it searches for words like shoes, boots, and maybe it is automatically displayed,
08:28It was explained to me like this, that a string is depicted, ok,
08:32which brings many different words.
08:34There could be words in there with, I don't know, fucks, I don't know, with everything...
08:39It's not that they were clicked, they were produced automatically.
08:43This is confirmed by consultant Nanni Bassetti.
08:47It's not like we were going inside.
08:48Girls with shaved vaginas.
08:52This is what she was looking for, bear with me, right?
08:54No, it's not that I was looking for it.
08:54Redhead girls with little hair on their vagina.
08:58No, I mean...
08:59These are all researches brought to the classroom,
09:03found on the computer,
09:05but no one, neither me nor my dearest,
09:07never went in to do that research.
09:08But the computer doesn't invent things.
09:10The computer is a relentless witness.
09:13The computer tells us what we go to look for on the computer.
09:18You and possibly your wife were looking for girls in plumes,
09:22virgin girls for sex.
09:24No, no, no.
09:25Thirteen-year-olds, virgins for sex.
09:26No, zero no.
09:27Excuse me, how did your technicians explain the appearance of these things to you?
09:30They explained, as I said earlier,
09:32that by clicking on a certain word various strings pop up.
09:36But from what word did I come out a thirteen year old in plume, therefore without hair?
09:41No, I repeat, my wife did look at those pornographic sites.
09:45Of thirteen year olds?
09:47Ninth.
09:48I imagine adults.
09:50Sites that everyone usually looks at.
09:52Perfect, very good, in fact.
09:54But how do hairless thirteen-year-olds emerge?
09:56I can't explain this.
09:57And did I explain it to his technician?
09:59My technician reiterated that these are all searches produced automatically
10:04and are not typed by human operators.
10:06I mean, I look at a normal porn site
10:09and suddenly thirteen year old girls come out of me
10:11in plumi, without hair, without... like that.
10:14Alone.
10:15Alone.
10:15I can't explain this, I can't explain it,
10:17because, as I repeat, I'm terrible at computers.
10:21However, it was reiterated that these are automatically generated searches.
10:25I can't explain this.
10:26Look, I repeat, it is neither me nor my wife,
10:29we are not that kind of people.
10:30Never, ever have we done research like this.
10:33Never.
10:34Look, then there's the story of DNA,
10:36that his DNA was found there on Yara's clothes.
10:41How did this come about?
10:43Look, I don't think that DNA is mine,
10:50for a good, simple reason.
10:52I have never seen Yara, never known her, never met her.
10:57I didn't kill Yara.
10:58And how did the DNA end up on Yara's clothes?
11:02I have always asked to be able to repeat this scientific test.
11:05It has always been denied to me, never denied.
11:09And I cannot ascertain evidence that has never been replicated.
11:17Look, those 54 famous test tubes are still available as evidence, etc.
11:23Do you still think that with the new techniques you can make a request for it to be repeated,
11:30an exam for him to come or not?
11:32Look, I know that those 54 DNA samples are stored at the crime scene office at room temperature.
11:43I don't know what you can find there, I don't know how much useful information there is left to find,
11:51but I sincerely hope with today's methods, given that science is much more advanced,
11:56that something good can still be found.
11:59Are you thinking of doing research in this direction, a request?
12:03Look, I've always reiterated that I can do it, I've always shouted it during interrogations,
12:10During the procedural stages, it was always denied to me.
12:12Indeed, it is even confirmed, in a final sentence,
12:20the exhaustion of this sample, in order to repeat a scientific test,
12:25because everything was used up in the various technical consultancies.
12:29They basically tell me it's sold out, nothing exists anymore, the Supreme Court puts it in black and white.
12:34Ok, the 54 samples, DNA samples, which are always talked about a lot,
12:40there were many of them and in abundance,
12:43and they were kept in San Raffaele in Milan, at minus 80 degrees.
12:50Here, I repeat, here it was wanted, it was wanted,
12:55specifically to not give the possibility of repeating this scientific data.
12:59by order of a PM, who took them away from me, authorized,
13:09removed from the San Raffaele refrigerators at minus 80 degrees,
13:14where they were safely deposited, and taken to the Coppi office in Rato.
13:19Mr. Rossetti, I find it very difficult to believe in a conspiracy, please.
13:24Investigations have been carried out, in his case, the most extensive DNA investigations.
13:31How many people have been tested for DNA?
13:33Precchia.
13:34Precisely, to then get to the unknown number one, which would be her.
13:39Your reaction when they said, you are the unknown number one?
13:44Possible, absolutely.
13:46How did he react?
13:48Absolutely not, I absolutely couldn't think that, absolutely not.
13:53No, first of all because I was never given the chance to replicate it.
13:57And I can't do it, I was told to take a leap of faith, okay?
14:00An act of faith, an act of faith is made in church, not in a court of law.
14:04An act of faith that the result should not be questioned.
14:08It's not that they made it up, it was a monstrous search on that DNA.
14:13I read you this sentence, it is the only identifier and that has force value,
14:18the public prosecutor reiterated, it is the nuclear one, which is Bossetti's.
14:22While the fact that the mitochondrial one did not turn out to be his does not affect the result.
14:30But now these 54 promises have been made available to you,
14:34then we don't know if they are deteriorated or not.
14:36Are you still thinking of taking the test and seeing if it's possible to retake it?
14:41With today's methods, yes.
14:44Well.
14:44Regarding his DNA, prosecutors say that the nuclear one,
14:50which is what matters, is indisputably his.
14:55This is what is stated in the sentences,
14:57this is what the prosecution's consultants affirm.
14:59However, DNA without mitochondrial DNA cannot be considered certain.
15:06It cannot guarantee a person's membership.
15:09That nuclear DNA doesn't belong to me, it was adapted and it's not...
15:15What I want to make clear is that DNA identifies a human being, okay?
15:24And in the whole world we are all 99.9% the same.
15:29But a DNA, to ensure that an official certainty of a subject's belonging is given,
15:36There must be complete DNA, that is, nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA.
15:42According to the rulings, only nuclear energy is sufficient.
15:46Okay, I'll tell you something else.
15:49I remember that DNA,
15:55DNA findings, had been authorized,
15:58they were authorized by the judge of Bergamo, Giovanni Pelillo,
16:02November 27, 2019, okay?
16:05On December 2nd they are being moved at the prosecutor's request, okay?
16:15And brought to the crime scene office at room temperature,
16:20practically useless, degraded.
16:25Despite, I repeat, despite the police,
16:28they warned the PM saying
16:32be careful because we have the finds together
16:35of biological samples
16:37stored at a constant temperature of minus 80 degrees
16:42and should be stored in cold storage
16:45so that the cold temperature remains constant, okay?
16:51She specifically wanted to take them to the crime scene office.
16:56bringing to room temperatures.
16:58I would be careful to say specifically
17:00because there was an investigation
17:02and the prosecutor was dismissed for this,
17:07so let's leave this thing alone.
17:09But beyond now the nuclear DNA
17:13had already been identified
17:15and it was yours, Mr. Bossetti.
17:18Do they support it?
17:18But can't I take a leap of faith?
17:21Director, I have been asked to take a leap of faith.
17:24everything they said.
17:26No, I can't.
17:26But this is not a supernatural act of faith,
17:30it's a scientific fact.
17:32It's yours, Mr. Bossetti.
17:34I this scientific fact
17:37I question it
17:39because I didn't have a chance
17:42to be able to repeat it
17:43and I don't have a certain affiliation
17:45that represents me.
17:47Director, may I ask a question?
17:49Certain.
17:50If all this had happened to her,
17:54How would he have taken the situation?
17:57He would have accepted
17:59the outcome provided by the accusation
18:02or he would have asked insistently
18:03to acquire the samples of interest
18:07to repeat the analysis
18:08with his consultants
18:10to then have an official response
18:12what does the prosecution claim?
18:16Excuse me,
18:18his consultants
18:19they had the opportunity
18:20during the trial
18:22to be able to verify
18:24if what the prosecution says
18:25it was correct.
18:26When the Public Prosecutor
18:27is heard
18:28from the prosecutor,
18:29former chief prosecutor
18:31of Venice
18:32Adelchi Polito
18:35saying
18:36always on the issue
18:38of the finds
18:38if it was feasible
18:39No?
18:41She replied,
18:43he replied,
18:45official response
18:46saying
18:46the finds
18:47in question
18:48how much is everything
18:49it was said
18:50they will never be given
18:51nor now
18:52nor after
18:53nor ever
18:54nor even
18:54for an appeal
18:55of revision
18:56never
18:56But well
18:57it's not that
18:58the Public Prosecutor
18:59he gets up
19:00and decides
19:01give
19:01don't give
19:01It takes a while
19:03even in my shoes
19:04Anyway
19:04let's get to the point
19:05you now have
19:06the possibility
19:07to access
19:08to these 54 test tubes
19:10in the hypothesis
19:11likely
19:12that these materials
19:14have been damaged
19:16but
19:17they have not been damaged
19:18thank God
19:19stored properly
19:20all clothes
19:21the briefs
19:22leggings
19:22of Yala
19:23so you
19:24you think
19:25to be able to
19:25ask
19:26a new investigation
19:27on those clothes
19:28Absolutely yes
19:28since I had
19:29the opportunity
19:30after several years
19:32to be able to see them
19:34to be able to
19:35officially
19:36guarantee
19:37the existence
19:38of these finds
19:40kept
19:41in an integral manner
19:42I think
19:44That
19:44with a request
19:47defensive
19:48you can
19:49find
19:51further clashes
19:52and ascertain
19:53to armor
19:54finally
19:55belonging
19:57of these traces
19:58and I do
19:59I also remember
20:01That
20:01I would like to point out
20:02that on the body
20:04of poor Yara
20:04they were found
20:05as many as 11 DNAs
20:07this is where
20:08my hope
20:09in requesting
20:11these clothes
20:12to be able to
20:12replicate a little
20:13All
20:13with the various consultants
20:15emerges
20:16how much longer
20:17it did not emerge
20:18Why
20:18director
20:19Excuse me
20:20but the truth
20:21it's not yet
20:22exit
20:23it's not yet
20:24confirmed
20:25as it should be
20:26this is it
20:28that should be done
20:29to ask oneself
20:30requests
20:30the why
20:32it never comes
20:33given the opportunity
20:34to be able to reply
20:36a simple right
20:37of defense
20:39listen sir
20:40Bossetti
20:40It is true
20:41that she
20:42under construction
20:42he was called
20:43the fairy tale
20:44for the quantity
20:45of lies
20:46that he said
20:46this is an adjective
20:48that was given
20:49Why
20:51I'll explain it to you very well
20:53Why
20:53At that time
20:55I often
20:56I was absent
20:58from that construction site
21:00yes it's true
21:01what I said
21:01lies
21:02I admit it
21:02saying of
21:04to have tumors
21:05to the brain
21:06which had to
21:07embroider Saint Raphael
21:08to make visits
21:09but why did I say
21:10this terrible lie
21:11shameful
21:12which is
21:13scandalous
21:14it's very scandalous
21:15absolutely
21:15but why did I stop him
21:16because I'll explain a reason to you
21:17because I
21:18it was several months ago
21:20that I wasn't getting paid
21:22and to make sure
21:23that it didn't come to me
21:24revoked
21:25a contract
21:26OK
21:26because I was in carpenteria
21:27a contract
21:28it came to mind
21:30this terrible lie
21:31the first thing
21:32I felt it in my mind
21:33to go and do
21:34other works
21:36to take home
21:38well-being
21:39of the family
21:39what could I do?
21:40Excuse me, director
21:41what could I do
21:45taking home
21:46to eat
21:46to my children
21:47a bucket of sand
21:48some bricks
21:49if I didn't get any money
21:50I was going somewhere completely different
21:52to compensate
21:54how much I wasn't getting paid
21:55but he was lying to her
21:56also to his wife
21:57Speaking of which
21:57the attendance
21:58of a beauty center
22:00near Yara's house
22:02where to go and do things
22:02the lamps
22:03Yes
22:04this has been admitted
22:05why exactly
22:05he was looking for it
22:06near Yara's house
22:07No
22:08because I repeat
22:09it was a journey
22:10habitual
22:11there was this
22:14beauty center
22:15And
22:17two or three times a month
22:19I stopped there
22:20I always denied it
22:21my wife
22:22Why
22:22it didn't seem appropriate to me
22:24seen the
22:25the many
22:27economic situations
22:29that there were
22:30also say
22:31those
22:32the shopping
22:33of that 5-10 euro
22:34it was a thing
22:36but I think that
22:37Yes
22:37I said
22:38the lies
22:39I admit it
22:40I said
22:40but there is a good reason
22:42because I said so
22:42OK
22:43but
22:44I understand
22:45than lies
22:46they told her
22:47even more
22:47coarse
22:50the part
22:51of the prosecution
22:51listen
22:52Speaking of which
22:52of visits
22:54of sites
22:55child pornography
22:56No
22:57pornographic
22:58pornographic
22:58with
22:59Gina Dami
22:59it was a
23:01prisoner
23:03eh
23:03she was an inmate
23:04to prison
23:05from Bergamo
23:05Yes
23:07how did it end?
23:09eh
23:09you mistook me
23:10there too
23:10of the information
23:12on your preferences
23:13then it's a
23:14a simple one
23:15correspondence
23:15born in a context
23:16prison
23:18by two people
23:19recluse
23:20that they were looking for
23:21leisure
23:22in everyday life
23:24that's all there is to it
23:25Mr. Bossetti
23:26one can have
23:26his tastes
23:27but in fact
23:29to have
23:29a preference
23:30for little girls
23:31depinate
23:32young
23:33thirteen year olds
23:34and no
23:35of course
23:35it's not that it was
23:36defined as little girls
23:37OK
23:38in correspondence
23:39OK
23:40have been described
23:41certain details
23:43which they depicted
23:44a bit
23:44type of research
23:46then you find
23:46on the computer
23:49This is what I wanted to clarify
23:50I
23:51it's not that I
23:52or she
23:52we wrote
23:54certain things
23:55referring to certain
23:57eh
23:58anatomical parts
23:59of little girls
24:00No
24:01this is one thing
24:02between me and her
24:03and that's it
24:04but not
24:04as far as it concerned
24:06to little girls
24:07No
24:08not that one
24:08which then after
24:09they associated them
24:10the investigators
24:10on his computer
24:11There are
24:12the research
24:13they result
24:14they arrived there
24:16by chance
24:16from his computer
24:17it rained
24:18who knows how
24:18they result
24:19of the research
24:20for little girls
24:21depilate
24:22by sex
24:23very young
24:24etc.
24:24there are coincidences
24:26now put it on
24:27in the shoes
24:28of a person
24:28common
24:29but anyway
24:29I can well understand
24:31where you want to get to
24:32but look
24:33as I repeated
24:35a little while ago
24:35they are things
24:36That
24:36written
24:37to keep alive
24:38a bit
24:39intimacy
24:40of the moment
24:41and that's it
24:42which then after
24:43director
24:43which are associated
24:44how much has it been
24:45found on a computer
24:46that I repeat
24:47I will always repeat it
24:49neither me nor my wife
24:50we never typed
24:51that kind of word
24:53Absolutely not
24:54but they are things
24:55as I already explained
24:56a little while ago
24:57listen
24:58they tell me
24:59that she feels
25:00on me
25:00the monster label
25:02by force
25:04after all that
25:05that was given to me
25:08I am defined
25:09he is accused
25:10it is seen
25:10it's normal
25:11that I feel it
25:12on me
25:13how he lives with it
25:14it's hard
25:15it's difficult
25:15I try yoga
25:17look
25:17I know I am
25:19aware
25:20from the
25:21the inner conscience
25:24cleaner
25:27I know I'm innocent
25:29I know I have not committed
25:30this horrible
25:31horrendous crime
25:34I can travel
25:35with your head held high
25:36to put on
25:36to look straight ahead
25:37in the eyes
25:37the people
25:38look
25:38I
25:38I never could have
25:41commit
25:42such an atrocity
25:45at that time
25:45my children
25:47one was the age
25:48of me
25:48and of poor Iara
25:49if I had committed
25:50something like that
25:51first
25:53I tell you sincerely
25:54that I would no longer have
25:55had courage
25:56to go home
25:57to hug my children
25:59and according to what
26:02look
26:02I wouldn't have hesitated
26:03not even ten seconds
26:04in front of that
26:05amazing army
26:06say
26:07look
26:08what happened
26:08it happened
26:09but why
26:10Why
26:10I was aware
26:12that by dint of investigating
26:12they would have found
26:13so much of that evidence
26:14that they would crush me
26:14against my responsibility
26:16I ask you
26:18Why
26:19Why
26:19you are never guaranteed
26:22a scientific result
26:23to demonstrate
26:25one's innocence
26:25how do I do it?
26:26I currently
26:27to prove my alienness
26:29to give evidence
26:31to my innocence
26:32if they are not provided to me
26:33the right houses
26:34to be able to do it
26:34is increasingly hindered
26:36This is what I would like to ask you
26:38It doesn't seem difficult to me
26:39to say that
26:40he was prevented from doing so
26:41to demonstrate
26:41his innocence
26:42Mr. Bossetti
26:43everything was prevented from me
26:44director
26:45All
26:46it has never been for me
26:47given the opportunity
26:48I always asked
26:49I always asked
26:50to be able to repeat
26:51this scientific fact
26:52and it is never given to me
26:53while
26:54were aware
26:55that the 54 champions
26:56they will light up again
26:57in abundance
26:58and then they get destroyed
27:00so there is a conspiracy
27:01against Bossetti
27:02and why?
27:03I believe that the truth
27:05every crime
27:05it's a moment
27:06he has a reason
27:07why should there be
27:08this gigantic conspiracy
27:10against a person
27:12should ask himself
27:13ask someone
27:15hand
27:15she saw
27:16in the case of Garlasco
27:18what's going on
27:19appraisals
27:20against expert opinions
27:21and there is a mistake
27:22have been committed
27:23in abundance
27:24but thank God
27:25but thank God
27:25I want to say
27:26there should be
27:27a conspiracy
27:28of many people
27:29not just a judge
27:31archived
27:32a public prosecutor
27:33archived
27:33but of many people
27:35of many investigators
27:37of many magistrates
27:38everyone
27:40united in a conspiracy
27:42to frame Bossetti
27:43it's simple
27:44to dispel the doubt
27:45just prove it
27:46the assessment
27:48of a simple DNA
27:49and let's see what it belongs to
27:50I have always reiterated
27:51director
27:52if I am
27:53if in that result
27:54if they would grant me
27:55that result
27:56that it came out
27:57that's Bossetti
27:58he was listed at 8-1
28:00I will remain silent forever
28:01my little locker for life
28:01this is what I've always said
28:03it has never been done
28:04I always asked
28:05to be able to repeat
28:06a scientific proof
28:07I think it is
28:08a sacred saint
28:09right of defense
28:11that any human being
28:12any citizen
28:13would wait
28:14before finishing
28:15accused
28:16and condemned
28:17unfairly
28:18I this
28:19that's what I ask you
28:19does she receive letters?
28:22I was saying
28:23correspondence
28:24letters
28:25me
28:26what do they write to her?
28:28they write to me
28:29to be strong
28:30to have courage
28:31to continue
28:32the battle
28:33that the truth
28:35sooner or later
28:36it will come out
28:37and I want to say
28:39and I thank
28:40to God
28:41that exist
28:43people
28:45Unfortunately
28:46director
28:46we know very well
28:47that the mistakes
28:48mistakes
28:48they exist
28:49OK
28:51and I'm in order
28:53of the day
28:54Meaning what
28:55be able to admit
28:56of having committed
28:57a big mistake
28:58it's easy
28:59say
29:00there was an error
29:02it can happen
29:03the mistake
29:03the mistake
29:04but then
29:04it remains difficult
29:05be able to admit it
29:06of having committed
29:08a big mistake
29:09but here I'm wrong
29:10he did not commit
29:11a person
29:12that tries
29:13to defend
29:14their positions
29:15here are the errors
29:16have been committed
29:17from many people
29:20they are sensational
29:21enough talking
29:22of this anomaly
29:23of the absence
29:24of the mitochondrial
29:26of DNA
29:26How can I find out?
29:28that that DNA
29:29it's mine
29:29it was not given to me
29:31the possibility of repeating it
29:32listen Mr. Bossetti
29:33does she meet her children?
29:35absolutely yes
29:36periodically
29:36every week
29:37I see everyone
29:38and therefore he also sees
29:39his wife
29:41my wife
29:42materially
29:42physically
29:44there is no
29:45it is not present
29:46but we hear from each other
29:48And
29:49I feel
29:50his presence
29:51and everything
29:52why doesn't he come to visit her?
29:54my children
29:55they come to visit her
29:56yes but his wife
29:57why doesn't he come to visit her?
29:59why did I go
30:00in understanding
30:01between us
30:01apart from the discovery
30:04as you all know
30:06of betrayals
30:11I prefer to have
30:13a formal interview
30:14four-eyed
30:14out of context
30:15prison
30:16For
30:17rightly
30:18ask your own questions
30:20the answers
30:21that they want us to have
30:22for then
30:24decide what to do
30:26they tell me
30:27that she would have
30:28the possibility
30:28to ask
30:29of permits
30:30to go out
30:31look
30:32I currently
30:32and so far he has given up on it
30:35Why?
30:37currently
30:38I arrive at
30:40almost 12 years
30:42in prison
30:47yes it is true that after a period of detention
30:52they expect benefits
30:54permits
30:56Article 21
30:57and so on
31:00because I always refused everything
31:02and I refuse
31:03still everything
31:04because I don't feel like it
31:07It's not up to me to have to accept
31:08how much I can't accept
31:10stronger than me
31:12I always
31:13I
31:13I
31:14I would like
31:15I would like
31:16go out with your head held high
31:18how they dragged me into it
31:20the day they arrested me
31:22without
31:23having to accept
31:24nor a permit
31:26nor a
31:27a benefit
31:28that would be given to me
31:29but only
31:31exclusively
31:32with repetition
31:33of this scientific examination
31:36she is scared
31:36of the people
31:37Meaning what
31:38she is scared
31:39that going out
31:40I'm not afraid
31:40of the affront of the people
31:41but
31:45I don't accept
31:46I don't accept
31:47of having to go out
31:49for something
31:50that comes to me
31:51in quotation marks
31:52given as a gift
31:53not given away
31:55it is the law that provides for it
31:56it is the law that provides for it
31:57but I can't accept
31:59I was saying
32:00I can understand her too
32:01she is scared
32:01of the contact
32:02with strangers
32:03No
32:03No
32:03Absolutely not
32:04I'm not afraid
32:05of no contact
32:05with strangers
32:09but
32:10that beats me
32:13to me
32:13director
32:14life was ruined
32:16life was destroyed
32:19there will be no more
32:20nothing in nature
32:20into something
32:21that someone
32:22can give back to me
32:22all the wasted years
32:23from growth
32:24of the fearful children
32:25my wife's love
32:26to his children
32:27what they tell her
32:29my children
32:31they support me
32:32with force
32:32and courage
32:33and thanks to them
32:35thanks to the people
32:35that I have near me
32:37my heart
32:38is powered
32:39daily
32:40from their strength
32:41my children
32:42they are waiting
32:43the moment
32:44to be able to hug me
32:45as a free man
32:46but leaving with your head held high
32:48but
32:49with a possible
32:50feedback
32:52of a scientific outcome
32:53never given
32:53I expect this
32:56listen
32:57Bollate
32:58it's an open prison
32:59a prison
33:00Where
33:01compatibly
33:02with restrictions
33:03that you are well
33:04and she
33:05he has a contract
33:07regular
33:08from metalworker
33:09with a company
33:11a company
33:11of metalworking
33:12a company
33:13coime
33:13a company
33:14of comments
33:16thermoacoustic
33:16what does he do?
33:18the company coime
33:19produces components
33:21For
33:21of materials
33:23with insulators
33:24so she
33:25everyday
33:26he does his own thing
33:26how many hours of work?
33:28a contract
33:294 hours
33:304 hours
33:31and what does it do
33:31her physically?
33:33they are built
33:35components
33:35for the
33:36for the
33:37coimization
33:38of time technique
33:39she then
33:40he gets a salary
33:41union
33:42let's say
33:43a small refund
33:44to the State
33:44for maintenance costs
33:46then the availability
33:47of this money
33:48so you can turn them around
33:49his children
33:50you can turn them around
33:50to his family
33:51Yes
33:51thank God
33:52I have to say
33:52Thank you
33:53to whoever allowed me
33:54to access
33:55to a work activity
33:56because the work
33:56Attention
33:57the work
33:57it's important
33:58for an inmate
33:59that's all
33:59it is decisive
34:00because it distracts us
34:01of everyday thoughts
34:02it's a mental escape
34:04OK
34:06and thank God
34:07welcome
34:07Why
34:08allow me
34:09Of
34:10self-manage
34:13And
34:15to be able to
34:15to send home
34:16Still
34:16that precious one
34:17financial aid
34:18to the family
34:18that I always have
34:19offered
34:20as you see
34:21his future?
34:21as I see
34:22my future?
34:23How do I see my future?
34:26look at me
34:27my future
34:27I can't see it
34:28I can't imagine it
34:30live
34:30Today
34:31the present
34:32it's difficult for me
34:33imagine the future
34:35until I'm out
34:35from prison
34:36my future
34:37I can't imagine it
34:38it's difficult
34:39but you see
34:39Alberto Stasi
34:40he was sentenced
34:41definitively
34:43For
34:44And
34:46it was done
34:47a reason
34:47at a certain point
34:48In short
34:49he considers himself innocent
34:50Then
34:50things are happening
34:52they can also feed
34:53this hope
34:55but at a certain point
34:56I am innocent
34:57I'm putting it aside
34:58I look forward
34:59why can't she do it?
35:02because I can't look at it
35:03how did he look?
35:07Why
35:07it's hard for me
35:08It's too hard for me
35:11it's too hard
35:13imagining the future
35:14I am not able
35:15that beats me
35:16I can't do it
35:17I can't do it
35:18because after all
35:19what I suffered
35:19it's difficult
35:20it's hard to see
35:23to the point of not feeling
35:25to get out of prison
35:26having the opportunity
35:29No
35:31No
35:33I
35:36I
35:36in the
35:37in my spontaneous statements
35:39at the end of the processes
35:40I have always reiterated
35:43with heart in hand
35:44to the judges
35:45president
35:48first of all
35:49to be able to believe me
35:50to my absolute estrangement
35:51I reiterate my innocence
35:53and I ask you
35:54kindly
35:55I'm not here
35:56to ask you
35:59there
35:59what is his name
36:01grace
36:02and even less
36:03the solution
36:04because first of all
36:05I reiterate
36:06that it wouldn't be fair
36:07against Mr. Gambirasio
36:09and above all
36:10I have always claimed
36:12and I still pretend
36:13to go out with your head held high
36:15with a simple repetition
36:17of a scientific fact
36:18and that's it
36:19that's all there is to it
36:19has he ever written
36:20Iara's parent
36:22look yes
36:23I
36:25when my mom
36:26my poor mother
36:27he was still alive
36:29I asked insistently
36:31mom
36:32do what you can
36:33go
36:34At home
36:35of the Gambirasio family
36:36since to me
36:37it's not possible
36:39to do it
36:40brings
36:41this letter
36:43to the Gambirasio family
36:45try to enjoy
36:47an interview
36:48with them
36:49so that
36:50could understand
36:53that I am not
36:54the author
36:55in the creator
36:56who committed
36:57this serious damage
36:58this horrible
36:59immense
37:00pain
37:01to all of them
37:02Unfortunately
37:03was
37:05removed
37:06intimated
37:06by law enforcement
37:08not to come close
37:09Why
37:11could have loomed
37:12in a complaint
37:14and I saw
37:15who quoted me
37:17the Gambirasio family
37:19I ask
37:20I always asked
37:22What
37:23he had written
37:24in that letter
37:26I asked
37:28Of
37:29I wanted
37:30that they answered
37:31to many questions
37:33expressed
37:34Before
37:36to know
37:37what they do
37:38they thought of me
37:40and if
37:40what does he want
37:41that they thought
37:42her
37:42the truth
37:44what they
37:45they wrote it to me
37:46with heart
37:47he puts himself in their shoes
37:48faced with these tests
37:49in the face of these things
37:50What
37:52he wanted them to think
37:53the genito
37:53by Yara
37:54that's what
37:54I would have preferred
37:55that they wrote it to me
37:57and then
37:57I look for
37:58and I ask
38:00that they
38:01may
38:01enjoy
38:02an interview
38:03with me
38:04because seeing me
38:05looking straight at me
38:07in the eyes
38:07they would understand
38:08that I am not
38:09the killer
38:09poor Yara
38:10I Yara
38:11I didn't kill her
38:12This
38:12it must be reiterated
38:13I didn't kill her
38:15and I have nothing
38:16what to do with it
38:16with this crime
38:17what to do with it
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