Meredith Kercher: Il Caso Sollecito [Linea Gialla 2014]

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Parte della puntata dedicata al delitto di Meredith Kercher. L'intervista "esclusiva" a Raffaele Sollecito presente in studio.   Linea Gialla 2014.02.26   #MeredithKercher #RaffaeleSollecito #AmandaKnox #RudyGuede #Kercher #Sollecito #Knox #Guede #Perugia #Crime #TrueCrime #Delitti #Misteri #Killer #SerialKiller #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #Mistero #Delitto #Documentari #Documentario #Docu #Doc #DivinumCrime #Belve #BelveCrime

Transcript

00:00:00Good evening, fellow viewers, Raffaele Sollecito is guilty as the law says or innocent as he claims.

00:00:10He'll be here soon, he's about to enter and you'll be the ones to judge him, to make up your own mind.

00:00:16Sollecito was sentenced to 25 years in prison on January 30th for the murder of Meredith Kercher, killed

00:00:24the night of November 1, 2007.

00:00:26His then-partner, Amanda Nox, was 28 years old.

00:00:31While awaiting the final ruling, that of the Supreme Court of Cassation, Sollecito now lives in Treviso with his new girlfriend.

00:00:37Yesterday, after taking a university exam, Linea Gialla met him in Venice.

00:00:44Here's what he told us, listen.

00:00:47I wish others could somehow put themselves in my shoes.

00:00:52If for a moment one thinks that I am innocent, even just one, one should somehow understand how a person would react.

00:01:00person who after 7 years, 6 and more than 6,

00:01:04continues to be placed in these tragic conditions, seriously unmanageable,

00:01:12where you see his life practically in a corner, where soon someone pushes him into a well.

00:01:24I would like to explain for a moment what my situation was at the time of the events.

00:01:28In the sense that I was living in a situation where I had met an American girl who I was stunned by for very few

00:01:37days

00:01:37and I was still getting to know her, this acquaintance and this pleasant meeting and sharing was being born.

00:01:45And on the other hand I was finishing my bachelor's degree.

00:01:48So in this whole picture I would like it to be understood, everyone to understand that it is absurd that something like this could happen

00:01:59happen to a boy like me

00:02:01who had nothing, no reason to be able to harm a twenty-year-old English girl who comes to study

00:02:08in Italy

00:02:09that I don't know, because basically I was dating Amanda, I wasn't dating Meredith.

00:02:15Were you happy at that moment?

00:02:16Exactly, I was in a really happy moment, I was reaching a very important milestone in my life.

00:02:22because it was the first goal to then realize my dreams, instead I was put in prison

00:02:29and I had to discuss my thesis in prison, without having my family, without having a celebration,

00:02:36Nothing.

00:02:37The commission came, I discussed my thesis, said goodbye and went back to my cell.

00:02:44Many people think you're a murderer, how does that make you feel?

00:02:50Look, the people I meet on the street, or who know me anyway, have never thought this.

00:02:57People who know me, even to this day, have never thought this.

00:03:02What did you think when they put the handcuffs on you?

00:03:05I was in disbelief, so much so that, like, one thing I said, I said, but I had to go talk to my professor

00:03:14for the thesis.

00:03:16Why did you put the handcuffs on me?

00:03:19I mean, why?

00:03:21You told me, this is the type of your father, he doesn't deserve to have a son like you, that

00:03:26it's something, in short, that there was no reason to say such a thing.

00:03:36But then they told me something that I would never see my family for 30 years, or I would be

00:03:43this kind.

00:03:44It's not my fault that, in some way, I was Amanda Knox's boyfriend, first of all.

00:03:51I mean, if they were focused on her, then they have to explain to me why I, in some way, have to be inside.

00:03:59in this situation, even in prison.

00:04:04What are you afraid of?

00:04:06I'm scared... I'm scared that my life will be destroyed again, because it's already been destroyed.

00:04:14So, Raffaele, please come and join us. Good evening.

00:04:18Good evening, thank you, thank you for this opportunity.

00:04:21Ready to answer our questions and those of Vittorio Feltri, good evening, and Roberta Abruzzone.

00:04:27Let's say right away that Vittorio Feltri is avowedly innocent, this reminder, while Dr. Abruzzone is more guilty, so to speak.

00:04:38So, we will give space to both of them, of course during the evening, and to a whole series of doubts and

00:04:43questions we have...

00:04:45Yes, I am ready to answer and I hope you will give me ample opportunity to answer all your questions.

00:04:50We'll give it to you. First of all, though, you have to satisfy my curiosity. I want to show you a photograph, please, published by

00:04:57a newspaper.

00:04:58You're driving a Ferrari, is that possible? Is this Ferrari yours?

00:05:01So, I'm jumping at the chance, because in this whole affair, from the beginning, there has always been a manipulation of the

00:05:13reality from paparazzi and media,

00:05:15simply for economic reasons, simply to make money from what is a real and true tragedy.

00:05:22The news caused a sensation, prompt on Ferrari.

00:05:24So, there is here, behind, exactly behind here, the owner of Ferrari, which is precisely an agency that gave me

00:05:34accompanied

00:05:35from practically a restaurant that was in Milan 2 to Barbara D'Urso's studio, which was there

00:05:41not even 100 meters away, and that's it,

00:05:43I mean, they haven't accompanied me yet, I got in, if you see, from the passenger seat.

00:05:48The Ferrari is not mine, I didn't go to any Milanese party, in fact they used those photos,

00:05:55exploited later, always of him alone with his girlfriend, that is, I no longer existed.

00:06:00It was just a curiosity, the Ferrari is not his.

00:06:02No, but I want to say that everything, every little thing in all these six years, has been manipulated and

00:06:09it has increased,

00:06:10had, so to speak, a much stronger impact than what is factual reality,

00:06:16to the point that I can't even walk down the street and do something...

00:06:20You're always in the spotlight, we'll talk about it, please.

00:06:23But first I'd like to understand...

00:06:25The means of transport is comfortable.

00:06:26Exactly, I'd like to understand from Dr. Bruzione...

00:06:28I didn't choose it, it was him who accompanied me.

00:06:30We're on the process now.

00:06:32Dr. Bruzione, why are you so convinced of Sollecito's guilt?

00:06:36Because I had the opportunity to examine the documents, those that were produced in the first and second instance,

00:06:42the part clearly linked to the ruling of annulment of the second degree solution by the Court of Cassation

00:06:49and I also followed the new trial held in the Court of Appeal of Florence

00:06:55and from my point of view the guilty verdict is consistent with the initial picture.

00:07:01From your point of view, is there evidence to declare Raffaele Sollecito a murderer?

00:07:04Technically yes.

00:07:06Technically yes, we will talk about it.

00:07:08Director Feltri, why are you convinced—and may I give you your opinion—of Raffaele Sollecito's innocence?

00:07:16Because I don't trust clues, especially when they're faint and even inconsistent.

00:07:24I'm sorry to contradict Mrs. Roberta, for whom I have a soft spot, by the way.

00:07:31But a weakness not in the sense, don't get me wrong, I appreciate her, I've been following her for years, we've often met on programs

00:07:44television.

00:07:45But I can't understand what interest this young man, whom I'm meeting for the first time this evening, could have.

00:07:54so there is no relationship, not even by phone, we have never spoken,

00:07:58to kill this girl, who, moreover, if we really want to frame the story from a sexual point of view,

00:08:12it wasn't an unattainable goal.

00:08:14So why would he have participated or even taken the initiative to kill this lady?

00:08:27It's not for participation.

00:08:29I can't understand why, but I haven't seen a shred of evidence.

00:08:36When there is no overwhelming evidence, I immediately fear that they will pursue an accusatory line,

00:08:46but also defensive, in a somewhat irrationally way, almost with a punitive desire.

00:08:55And then I would like to know why they intend to frame a gentleman,

00:09:05that we have here in front of us, who, I mean, didn't have a bad life,

00:09:11that he committed a robbery, that he wanted to attack...

00:09:14I can't understand, the motive is not decisive, because one can get angry at a certain moment

00:09:22and kill a person, we have heard stories of this kind.

00:09:28But here we are truly at the point of absurdity.

00:09:31Roberto Abruzzone, let's try to convince Vittorio Feltri of the goodness of your rates.

00:09:37Of course, and then after Roberto Abruzzone I'll have Raffaele answer.

00:09:41Evidence against Raffaele Suleggio.

00:09:43The element that personally convinced me most of the validity of the accusatory texts

00:09:49it's everything that happens after the crime, in reality, rather than during.

00:09:55It is the availability of a series of very logical and absolutely univocal elements

00:10:02which lead to demonstrating a cover-up inside the house,

00:10:06a post-death manipulation of Meredith's body,

00:10:09aimed precisely at creating an alternative scenario to the real one.

00:10:14What happened in Romanelli's room was clearly a diversionary tactic.

00:10:19So, speaking of Romanelli's room, aside from the fact that Romanelli's room has...

00:10:24First of all, let's clarify who Romanelli is.

00:10:27So, can I finish the thought because otherwise it becomes difficult.

00:10:29Otherwise, they won't understand at home.

00:10:31Filomena Romanelli is one of the roommates who shared the house on Via della Pergola

00:10:35together with Meredith, together with Amanda and together with another girl, Mezzetti.

00:10:39Filomena Romanelli's room is heavily placed in its frame,

00:10:45at the same time as the crime, at least at a reasonably subsequent time,

00:10:50according to the prosecution, and inside that room there are clear signs,

00:10:54I've seen all the photos, of an inconsistency...

00:10:58I can draw this line because Filomena Romanelli declared in court

00:11:05directly that she saw glass on the floor, apart from the fact that we have

00:11:10some videos we gave to the editorial staff on how simple it is to scale that window

00:11:16which was certainly climbed and from which the badger was certainly launched.

00:11:20Yes, we have a video where a guy does it in just a few seconds and we gave it

00:11:25directly to the editorial office, but apart from that it doesn't exist, I'm not the one who has to answer

00:11:30of something that is an accusatory hypothesis, of which there are absolutely no traces

00:11:35on the scene neither mine nor anyone else connected to me.

00:11:39There are traces on the scene, because the one with the hook...

00:11:41Tell me which ones they are, the hook wasn't in that room and I have an aperitif...

00:11:47In fact, I wanted...

00:11:50But if we don't finish the concepts, it becomes difficult.

00:11:55Don't talk among technicians, I appeal to Dr. Bruzzone that we try to do

00:12:00understand everything at home and above all...

00:12:02Yes, and I'll finish, so we can conclude the thought.

00:12:04The misdirection that from an accusatory point of view I believe has occurred and this is also what he thinks

00:12:10like me the Court of Assizes of Florence and so on, is a very important element from a legal perspective

00:12:16psychological, because only those who had a direct connection with that home could

00:12:20have reason to mislead.

00:12:22At that moment the only person...

00:12:23There are no traces of fraction in the house, no traces of influx were found.

00:12:27There is a broken glass and there is a rock that has not been analyzed.

00:12:32A 4kg stone, by the way.

00:12:34No, no, no, no, it's not written anywhere in the documents.

00:12:38There isn't one, bring you the document where it says 4 kg.

00:12:40Look, there are three sentences this...

00:12:43But do you bring the document where it says it weighs 4 kg?

00:12:46The judges didn't make it up.

00:12:47You don't have to bring it, because it's not there.

00:12:47It's a very obvious rock.

00:12:49No, that's not true, with one hand you can see the photograph and it fits perfectly...

00:12:53It's clear that both...

00:12:54It's a clear photograph.

00:12:55It's clear that you both know the cards well.

00:12:58And it's clear that Vittorio Feltri and I know them a little less.

00:13:02A little less.

00:13:03A little less.

00:13:04And let's try to start again very soon from the doubts that this sentence raises both on

00:13:11guilt and the innocence of Raffaele Sollecito.

00:13:14See you very soon.

00:13:15Stay with us.

00:13:18In the Italian public reality, its own assistance on the ground in Florence, in the proceedings

00:13:21criminal case against Nox Amanda Marie, Sollecito Raffaele, re-determines the sentence imposed on Nox Amanda

00:13:28Marie has a total of 28 years and 6 months of imprisonment.

00:13:32confirms the contested sentence in all other respects.

00:14:05Good evening, welcome to Linea Gialla, fellow viewers.

00:14:10So, the Sollecito case.

00:14:12For the first time, Raffaele Sollecito, in a television studio, agrees to confront

00:14:17between the one who accuses him, in this case Roberta Bruzzone, and the one who will defend him, that is Vittorio

00:14:22Felts.

00:14:23I thank them both.

00:14:25I would like to start right away with a question about ethics.

00:14:28Let's start from that night, the night of Meredith's murder, from what the investigators consider

00:14:34the first lie.

00:14:37To the investigators, the first time they questioned her, she said that Amanda joined her immediately afterwards,

00:14:46She came home around the event and then changed her story.

00:14:50and he says we were together all night.

00:14:52So what?

00:14:53Why did he change his version?

00:14:55Well, unfortunately I created a lot of confusion in front of the investigators, because a little bit

00:15:01the pressure, partly because we were talking about six days earlier than what was

00:15:06I was asked.

00:15:09I basically spent very similar nights during those

00:15:13days, because I had known Amanda for just a few days and we were doing more or less

00:15:17the same days. That particular evening nothing sensational happened, particularly

00:15:23imprinted in my memory so that it can remain for a long time or later, as single events, I speak

00:15:32as special events. So in the end I got confused between a few evenings before

00:15:37and a few evenings later. In fact, when I realized the objective data, as for

00:15:41example the text message that Patrick Lumumba sends to Amanda that evening telling her that he had not

00:15:48She's no longer needed at work. Patrick Lumumba, remember, is Amanda's employer.

00:15:55where Amanda usually went to work. I thought it was a night when she was

00:16:01went to work, instead there was talk of an evening when she had freed herself. Then there is

00:16:06It was also the testimony of a friend of mine called Giovanna Popovic who needed

00:16:11of a ride from me to the bus station. Then he came an hour later,

00:16:18always at my house, to cancel this appointment because she no longer needed it. So she basically

00:16:23Are you confused about the situations? I got confused because I wasn't sure what day it was.

00:16:28they were talking, but the investigators themselves were pressing me and were very focused on Amanda's figure

00:16:35in a guilt-inducing sense, in an already targeted sense, they had in some way...

00:16:42I mean, she says they already wanted to go after Amanda, so...

00:16:45They were trying in every way to find that space that would lead them to confirm their hypotheses.

00:16:55Roberta Bruzzone, are you convinced by this reconstruction? Raffaele may have been confused about the law, which is why he changed his story.

00:17:02But let's ask him a couple of important questions. He communicates with his dad at 9 p.m., or rather, at 8:42 p.m., right?

00:17:13From the table.

00:17:14Yes, obviously things come back to me later, in the sense that I didn't remember the time.

00:17:20in which dad had called me.

00:17:22Anyway, from the phone records it appears, so around 8:30, at 8:42 pm, she tells him that I'm washing the dishes.

00:17:30Yes.

00:17:30Ok, so that's it.

00:17:32Certain.

00:17:33After which she immediately turns off her cell phone.

00:17:37She turns off her cell phone when she hears what Lumumba sends her.

00:17:41No.

00:17:42No, I don't turn it off because I'll explain.

00:17:44My house, where I lived, is a very old house and I think that the whole neighborhood in that area of Perugia

00:17:51be it a 1200 or 1300 model.

00:17:54In the sense that there are very very thick walls, so if the cell phone is not kept in the trajectory of the

00:17:58window.

00:17:59It doesn't take there.

00:18:00It doesn't take very well.

00:18:01I hadn't turned it off, I remember Amanda turning it off shortly after she received the message from

00:18:07Patrick Lumumba.

00:18:08And I remember this because I remember those moments, those instants when Amanda was so happy about the fact that

00:18:14the evening had become free and he was even jumping for joy.

00:18:18He even jumped on me, saying that we had a free evening, precisely because we had had various commitments the other days.

00:18:23I have it with my thesis, she with her friendships at work and so on.

00:18:27But then it turns out that the only cell phone doesn't get any kind of network until 8.42-43pm until

00:18:366am.

00:18:37So investigators naturally believe that she turned it off.

00:18:40No, it wasn't off, it was just off, I had thrown it out of the box, so to speak, in quotes.

00:18:46Yes.

00:18:47Without turning it off?

00:18:48Without turning it off, it wouldn't get any air.

00:18:50He wasn't getting any air.

00:18:51But they have verified, mind you, the investigators have verified that there was no problem whatsoever regarding the recession linked to it.

00:18:56to that area and that there were no problems with the functionality of the network.

00:19:00They didn't do any tests inside my house.

00:19:02They didn't make a recession.

00:19:03The area is regularly covered by the radio network.

00:19:06This is what it turns out.

00:19:07We carried out some appraisals in my own house which are in the records of the people.

00:19:11We hear, we hear, we hear, we apologize, we get on the phone.

00:19:14I have a phone.

00:19:14It is essential for air.

00:19:15I have a phone too.

00:19:16It is essential for air.

00:19:18It's crucial.

00:19:19There is no alibi because there is no evidence.

00:19:20If I may object, I think that the alibi is useful to you instead.

00:19:25If I may modestly argue something, I have owned a cell phone for several years.

00:19:35Even I, who am not a tech-savvy person, still write about Vetti, I have a cell phone that sometimes doesn't get reception.

00:19:44But not only does it not work, it doesn't even work.

00:19:47And I resign myself to my technological incompetence.

00:19:54But how can one cling to such a tenuous element to build even an accusatory framework?

00:20:07A cell phone that changes completely if you go from one room to another.

00:20:11It happens to me.

00:20:13I have to go too, I'll go to the window to make a good phone call, to hear.

00:20:17If the line goes dead, then I'll get pissed off.

00:20:19Sorry, you can't say that.

00:20:20It can't be said.

00:20:21Now I'm getting angry.

00:20:24Here, I get angry and so I stop.

00:20:28Things seem like this to me...

00:20:30You say too little for...

00:20:31There wasn't the only element.

00:20:33We are facing a murder.

00:20:36We are acknowledging history.

00:20:37To a conviction.

00:20:38Element by element.

00:20:39There are several others.

00:20:41It's not just that.

00:20:42But this is not the only element.

00:20:45I am a very kind lady, dearest Roberta, if you want to speak, you speak.

00:20:50I'm happy to speak if asked.

00:20:55But I'd love not to be interrupted because I lose the thread.

00:20:58I'm losing my mind.

00:20:59I'm already having trouble finding the thread.

00:21:01And if I lose it too...

00:21:02So I say, but we're having a discussion about cell phones.

00:21:07I'm intervening on the cell phone issue and I find it ridiculous, absurd.

00:21:13And it is illogical to make conjectures based on a telephone line.

00:21:19Which we all know doesn't work.

00:21:21The phone bill works.

00:21:23That one always arrives, without fail.

00:21:25But it's not true that the line is always ready and always at our disposal.

00:21:32So I wouldn't climb a telephone line.

00:21:36In fact, I would eliminate this discussion because it devalues our entire discussion.

00:21:42We look like fools because we talk about cell phones.

00:21:45But let's talk about murder, about motives, about moments, about evidence.

00:21:51Where is the evidence that this gentleman here, who even makes me feel a little tender, was a murderer.

00:21:58Tell me, before you throw me in jail, give me some proof.

00:22:02Otherwise, we are not dealing with a civilisation of law here, we are dealing with barbarism.

00:22:07Can you give me a 30-second proof against Raffaele Solleciti, Roberto?

00:22:11I repeat, a question like this doesn't make much sense.

00:22:15This is a complex process with many elements.

00:22:20Let's hope that Feltri's rule applies to everyone, in short, that perhaps it's more useful.

00:22:25The point is this, it's not that the single element is in itself extraordinarily significant.

00:22:31There are a number of elements here, many of them, that need to be read dynamically.

00:22:35I have some questions to ask him because I would like to clarify some aspects with him because they are not clear from the documents.

00:22:40For example, 10 hours of electricity coverage that goes off just because she moves the position of her cell phone.

00:22:46To me, personally, it seems a bit strange if he didn't turn it off, as a practical experience on this type of

00:22:51speech.

00:22:51It seems equally strange to me that she interacts with her computer until 9.10 pm, no later.

00:22:58Are we there yet?

00:22:59And at a certain point it disappears there too.

00:23:00And it all happens to be set in the same period.

00:23:02Let's have him answer.

00:23:03Why are the situations that work until 9.10pm?

00:23:05The context is simply that I'm with my girlfriend,

00:23:08after I had had some pretty intense days in terms of studying and on the one hand commitments

00:23:17because I had also had the degrees of other friends who had taken away my time

00:23:21and I also wanted to get to know this girl better because I had known her for 5 days.

00:23:25I mean, it's not like we had lived those 5 days intensely,

00:23:29but we still had the desire to get to know each other even more and spend even more time together.

00:23:36So this longing, excuse me, excuse me if I go into this somewhat detailed manner,

00:23:43this craving has brought us this, so to speak, void of interaction outside,

00:23:50let's say, technological interaction in 10 days.

00:23:54That is, she says he got rid of his cell phone, but also of the things he had to do on the computer to stay

00:23:58with the hand.

00:23:58Exactly, because with the computer, for example, the last interaction is at 9:26 pm, not at 9:10 pm,

00:24:05because 9.10pm is when I closed the movie, the famous world of Amelie,

00:24:09that we didn't even see everything because we were more interested in each other,

00:24:15that not throughout the film.

00:24:17And so even after closing there is no...

00:24:22Very clear, very clear.

00:24:24After that I also open another media file.

00:24:27Now, on the evidence level, I wanted to point out to those few who are aware of this,

00:24:33but for me it is very important.

00:24:35In this process, unlike several others, there is only one expert opinion.

00:24:41Expert report is the report that was entrusted to me by the judge, that is, by the person who was supposed to judge me,

00:24:48to experts who were appointed by the judge and therefore paid by the taxpayers,

00:24:53not by the prosecution or the defense, but by the only one and it is on the DNA.

00:24:58The task entrusted to these experts in the Court of Appeal says so, it asks if it is possible,

00:25:06through a new technical assessment, the attribution of the degree of reliability of any

00:25:12DNA attribution present on exhibits 165b, bra hook and 36 knife.

00:25:18And if it is not possible to proceed with a new technical assessment of the DNA traces,

00:25:23which are the fundamental basis of the evidence against...

00:25:27The money means, sullezio, that the evidence against you is being evaluated in the clasp of your bra, is that it?

00:25:31And the knife, these two are the evidences that were brought as evidence,

00:25:38because everything else is just conjecture, you evaluate the degree of reliability based on the documents

00:25:44of the genetic tests carried out by the scientific police on the above-mentioned findings,

00:25:49also with reference to any contamination.

00:25:51The result of all these pages, which obviously cannot be read,

00:25:55I'll leave you the bra hook that directly concerns me,

00:26:02he says, regarding the bra hook,

00:26:04we believe that the technical investigations carried out by the scientific police

00:26:08are not reliable for the following reasons.

00:26:11One, they do not support scientifically proven elements

00:26:14the presence of presumed sloughed cells on the specimen.

00:26:17Two, there has been a misinterpretation of the lestero-poretic path,

00:26:21means peaks that then read the trace.

00:26:24Three, there was no misinterpretation of the Ypsilon profile.

00:26:28Four, international procedures were not followed,

00:26:31international protocols for inspection.

00:26:34Five, it cannot be ruled out that the results obtained

00:26:36may result from environmental contamination phenomena,

00:26:40contamination occurring at any stage of the collection

00:26:44or in manipulation of the find.

00:26:45So what does this mean?

00:26:47It means there has never been any evidence,

00:26:49and moreover the Court of Cassation in particular has completely forgotten

00:26:54that there were, after the inspection,

00:26:57three searches of that house,

00:27:00where there were no longer any policemen in their uniforms completely masked

00:27:05and closed to avoid contamination,

00:27:07but some very normal people came in

00:27:10who have rummaged through everything,

00:27:11they took Meredith's mattress and threw it in the kitchen,

00:27:14all the books of all the girls had even converged

00:27:16in the crime room,

00:27:18everything was in his picture,

00:27:20and then the forensic scientists came back,

00:27:23without respecting any protocol or scientific rule,

00:27:27to find the hook of the eserium,

00:27:29which had by now been completely contaminated.

00:27:32Be patient.

00:27:33There's a problem here, then I have to intervene.

00:27:35Yes, yes, yes, of course.

00:27:36Meanwhile Vittorio...

00:27:37Please, please, no, no,

00:27:38the Supreme Court has forgotten all about us.

00:27:41One for yours, one for yours.

00:27:42I'll do yours.

00:27:43Look, of course,

00:27:44since I'm also a little older,

00:27:46as you can probably see,

00:27:48I've seen so many investigations,

00:27:51but I've seen many start off very badly.

00:27:55It doesn't seem to me that the investigation on Amanda's request

00:28:00it started off very well,

00:28:02with respect for all scientific criteria,

00:28:07carefully.

00:28:08A bit like Carlona,

00:28:10as often happens in Italy.

00:28:12Then these investigations continue,

00:28:16they get complicated,

00:28:18there is a lot of confusion.

00:28:20In the end you don't understand anymore

00:28:22who is right, who is wrong,

00:28:25but above all superficial elements emerge

00:28:29which are irrelevant to understanding what may have happened.

00:28:35It's all talk, conjecture,

00:28:38but of a surprising banality.

00:28:41So I ask myself this,

00:28:43but to condemn a person,

00:28:47among other things even after six months of fucking,

00:28:51at 25, 30 years old,

00:28:54life sentences raining down.

00:28:56But we shouldn't proceed too quickly,

00:29:00with a minimum of attention.

00:29:02When I see the white overalls appear,

00:29:06I'm terrified,

00:29:07because I know it's going to be a mess,

00:29:09that nothing will be understood anymore.

00:29:11Controversies,

00:29:12expert opinions against expert opinions.

00:29:13I find myself in front of three experts here,

00:29:16three experts over there,

00:29:17like Garlasco,

00:29:18the same,

00:29:19no, experts,

00:29:20that is, perished in the air,

00:29:22perished on the ground,

00:29:23perished everywhere,

00:29:24but which of the experts is right?

00:29:27How can you know?

00:29:28The first one who spoke,

00:29:30not the second one who spoke.

00:29:31But do you realize?

00:29:32that we are going against people,

00:29:36against young people,

00:29:37maybe even eighty-year-olds,

00:29:38It does not matter,

00:29:39so on the basis of vain elements,

00:29:42absurd.

00:29:43I find all this horrifying.

00:29:47At that time,

00:29:47if you have evidence in hand,

00:29:50there's little to do,

00:29:51he condemns himself.

00:29:52But the circumstantial trials

00:29:54they are all very hairy,

00:29:56they are all dangerous.

00:29:57If these expert reports then intervene

00:30:00and it is not known which is the most reliable,

00:30:04Well,

00:30:05I would be careful about it,

00:30:06because it's true,

00:30:07there is a victim here,

00:30:08who is that young lady

00:30:09which I don't even remember how it was said.

00:30:10Meredith.

00:30:11Meredith.

00:30:11That she's dead.

00:30:12And therefore it must be respected,

00:30:14we should find the culprits.

00:30:16But just to find a culprit,

00:30:18let's put two more innocent people in jail,

00:30:21the result is three victims,

00:30:23instead of one.

00:30:24But does this seem like justice to you?

00:30:26Or crap?

00:30:27For me it's crap.

00:30:30Roberto Abruzzo.

00:30:33Vittorio Feltri,

00:30:35just a moment.

00:30:36This is the only expertise.

00:30:45There is a risk of an excess of justice,

00:30:47Roberto Abruzzo,

00:30:48as Feltri says?

00:30:49I have a bit of difficulty

00:30:51to put myself before arguments

00:30:52which in principle I share,

00:30:54because it is clear that

00:30:55I work in this type of sector

00:30:57for many years

00:30:57and it is evident that

00:30:58I like to think

00:31:00on objective data

00:31:00and ensure that the assessments

00:31:02then they turn into sentences

00:31:03are solid.

00:31:04So,

00:31:05beyond this,

00:31:06which I fully agree with,

00:31:07there are some evaluations to be made

00:31:08in this case.

00:31:09Now it's not what I want to do

00:31:10the holy inquisition here tonight,

00:31:11I am trying to say,

00:31:12but I have some aspects to clarify.

00:31:13On this famous expertise

00:31:15Counts Vecchiotti,

00:31:16to be clear,

00:31:17which is the only expertise

00:31:17objectively arranged

00:31:18in this case

00:31:19because all the others

00:31:19they are technical consultancy,

00:31:20maybe for those who listen to us

00:31:21it may be a minimal difference,

00:31:23actually it's an important difference

00:31:24why technical consultancy

00:31:26ex officio or expert opinion

00:31:28it is the one ordered by the judge,

00:31:29in this case

00:31:29only the Court of Appeal of Perugia,

00:31:32the Perugia Court of Appeal

00:31:33he ordered this assessment.

00:31:35What's happening though?

00:31:36This expertise was

00:31:38heavily criticized

00:31:39in the trial

00:31:40second degree

00:31:41Why?

00:31:42In particular,

00:31:42why exactly

00:31:43the other parts of the process,

00:31:45in particular

00:31:46Professor Novelli

00:31:46who was a technical consultant

00:31:48of the Kerscher family

00:31:49which moreover

00:31:49he is a world authority

00:31:51in terms of forensic genetics

00:31:53that invites us.

00:31:55Novelli says

00:31:55a series of things

00:31:56very interesting

00:31:56including says

00:31:59also Novelli

00:32:00It's not like it's the last one.

00:32:01My consultant too

00:32:02but I'm not looking

00:32:04to belittle others.

00:32:05Let's get to the question.

00:32:06Novelli,

00:32:06ordinary at Tor Vergatta

00:32:07he says

00:32:08look

00:32:09Very well

00:32:10you did this work.

00:32:11I tell you there is

00:32:12of technology

00:32:13available today

00:32:14to be able to analyze

00:32:16additional material

00:32:17even under 10 picograms

00:32:19that is, 100 were those

00:32:20found there

00:32:21which is already a pin under loco

00:32:22so to speak

00:32:23Meaning what

00:32:23very small amount of DNA

00:32:25but even

00:32:25they have already been said

00:32:26of technology

00:32:27but they

00:32:28contrary to that

00:32:29which was asked

00:32:30the assize court

00:32:31the Perugia Assize Appeal

00:32:32which should have

00:32:33at this point

00:32:33complete

00:32:34because at that point there

00:32:35since we made 30

00:32:36let's make it 31

00:32:37inexplicably refuses

00:32:38and then

00:32:39that technical consultancy

00:32:41remains maimed

00:32:41because in fact

00:32:42does not use the best technologies

00:32:44available at that time.

00:32:45Raphael

00:32:46Please

00:32:46At that time

00:32:47the question of this expertise

00:32:50That's not it

00:32:51to analyze

00:32:52of the other tracks

00:32:54but he asks

00:32:55simply

00:32:56to search

00:32:57in the same

00:32:58finds

00:33:00of the tracks

00:33:02further

00:33:03in which case

00:33:04the further traces

00:33:05they were found

00:33:06only for the kit

00:33:08who owned

00:33:09this laboratory

00:33:10the kit he owned

00:33:12this laboratory

00:33:13that track

00:33:14it wasn't possible

00:33:15have a result

00:33:16so reliable

00:33:18Therefore

00:33:18a mess anyway

00:33:19it was done

00:33:20it's not that it's a mess

00:33:22the expertise

00:33:23the expertise

00:33:23he kept

00:33:24the track

00:33:25it is essential

00:33:25if there's a mess

00:33:27let's delete everything

00:33:28let's finish

00:33:29so we plow you

00:33:30the expertise has preserved

00:33:31the track

00:33:32he didn't analyze it

00:33:33but he kept it

00:33:34because he didn't have

00:33:35available

00:33:36a kit

00:33:36to analyze

00:33:37suitable

00:33:38to the quantity

00:33:40of that track

00:33:40but he kept it

00:33:41it has been summarized

00:33:43in this appeal

00:33:44and still brought

00:33:46at zero value

00:33:47there was only

00:33:48Amanda's DNA

00:33:49on that knife

00:33:50Amanda attended

00:33:51that house

00:33:51the kit means nothing

00:33:53and it was a trace

00:33:54at the intersection

00:33:55between the handle

00:33:56of the blade

00:33:57and the blade itself

00:33:58where it nests

00:33:59Surely

00:34:00any trace of blood

00:34:02at the moment in which

00:34:03if there had been

00:34:04and still brought

00:34:06to nothing

00:34:06on the part of the risks

00:34:07but not with that technology

00:34:10that could be used

00:34:11he kept it

00:34:13the track

00:34:13but with those traces

00:34:15the one that was there

00:34:16here we are

00:34:17but still he brought

00:34:18to nothing

00:34:19he still brought

00:34:20to nothing

00:34:20because it is not complete

00:34:21we are playing

00:34:22to the little chemists

00:34:23here

00:34:24you can't understand anything

00:34:25the little chemists

00:34:27but you believe

00:34:28to chemists

00:34:29I'm a medium chemistry major

00:34:31if he tells me it's mortadella

00:34:32I don't believe it

00:34:33I understood though

00:34:35yes but

00:34:35it can't even be given

00:34:37this religious value

00:34:39the chemist said

00:34:40the technique

00:34:41but you owe me

00:34:42Excuse me

00:34:43Dr. Roberta

00:34:45you her

00:34:46you have to explain it to me

00:34:47for what reason

00:34:48this gentleman

00:34:49should have

00:34:50kill

00:34:51this girl

00:34:53at least one hypothesis

00:34:54that stands up

00:34:55there is

00:34:56I would like to know

00:34:58because I am

00:34:58an ignoramus

00:34:59I don't know anything

00:35:00of chemistry

00:35:01I

00:35:01I don't know

00:35:02the water

00:35:03I don't even remember

00:35:03the water

00:35:05things

00:35:05I don't remember

00:35:06H2O

00:35:08so I want to understand

00:35:09because he

00:35:10he had to kill

00:35:11this one here

00:35:12At that time

00:35:12because he had to kill

00:35:13you wanted to fuck her

00:35:15I do not know

00:35:17I ask

00:35:17I want to understand

00:35:20but it doesn't make sense

00:35:21it doesn't make sense

00:35:22to incriminate

00:35:23this young man

00:35:24for a crime

00:35:26which is not well known

00:35:26but why did he have to do it

00:35:29a

00:35:29he was graduating

00:35:30he was doing his thesis

00:35:32he had a girlfriend

00:35:33Extremely beautiful

00:35:33he's going to fuck

00:35:34this one here

00:35:34which wasn't even

00:35:35exceptional

00:35:36we want to say

00:35:37she's definitely a cute girl

00:35:38I do not know

00:35:39but I want to say

00:35:40Why

00:35:40let's try to understand

00:35:41let's try to do

00:35:43some references

00:35:44of a girl who died murdered

00:35:46but I know

00:35:47but also a boy

00:35:50who is going to jail

00:35:51for 25 years

00:35:52I want to know why

00:35:53must have done

00:35:54something similar

00:35:55if we give time

00:35:56maybe to say

00:35:57some things

00:35:57but I ask questions

00:35:59he asks himself questions

00:36:00and now we answer

00:36:01I'm silent

00:36:01that no

00:36:02no one should be silenced

00:36:04but we have to see

00:36:05which are they

00:36:06the doubts

00:36:07on the

00:36:07still on

00:36:09Raffaele Sollecito

00:36:09and then we'll talk

00:36:10of the motive

00:36:11Why

00:36:11would have killed

00:36:13Meredith

00:36:14and above all

00:36:15of his relationship

00:36:15with Amanda

00:36:16We see

00:36:20Perugia

00:36:21November 2, 2007

00:36:22I'm new here

00:36:24after 1pm

00:36:24when in the apartment

00:36:26on the ground floor

00:36:26at 7 Pergola Street

00:36:28is found

00:36:29a corpse

00:36:31it's the body

00:36:32by Meredith Kercher

00:36:34a student

00:36:3521 year old English

00:36:36in love

00:36:37of Italy

00:36:38and of our culture

00:36:39it had just happened

00:36:40transferred to Perugia

00:36:41to attend

00:36:41the university

00:36:42with the Erasmus project

00:36:43Meredith

00:36:44she was raped

00:36:46stabbed

00:36:46and slaughtered

00:36:47according to the autopsy

00:36:48death has occurred

00:36:50between 10pm

00:36:50and midnight

00:36:51of November 1st

00:36:52right away

00:36:54the attentions

00:36:54of the investigators

00:36:55they concentrate

00:36:56about the American roommate

00:36:57and about the boyfriend

00:36:58her

00:36:59Amanda Knox

00:37:01and Raffaele Sollecito

00:37:04it was them

00:37:06to notice

00:37:06that in the street

00:37:07of the Pergola

00:37:07there was something

00:37:08that wasn't going well

00:37:09in the morning

00:37:09of November 2nd

00:37:11and it was Raffaele

00:37:12to call first

00:37:13the carabinieri

00:37:14after Amanda

00:37:15he told him

00:37:15what he saw

00:37:16the door

00:37:17of the room

00:37:18by Meredith

00:37:18locked

00:37:19and the glasses

00:37:20of a window

00:37:20broken

00:37:21as if someone

00:37:22had entered

00:37:23at home

00:37:24November 6, 2007

00:37:26Amanda Knox

00:37:27and Raffaele Sollecito

00:37:28they are arrested

00:37:29for the murder

00:37:30by Meredith

00:37:30Kercher

00:37:32together with them

00:37:33he ends up in handcuffs

00:37:34Patrick Lumumba

00:37:36bar manager

00:37:37where Amanda worked

00:37:38and by herself

00:37:39accused

00:37:40after 14 days

00:37:41of unjust detention

00:37:42Lumumba

00:37:43he will be released from prison

00:37:44and later

00:37:45Knox

00:37:45will be condemned

00:37:46for slander

00:37:47towards him

00:37:52the investigators

00:37:53in the meantime

00:37:54identify

00:37:55among the guilty

00:37:55Rudy too

00:37:56Herman Guede

00:37:57Guede

00:37:58he will be sentenced

00:37:59definitively

00:38:00with abbreviated rite

00:38:01to 16 years in prison

00:38:02for sexual assault

00:38:03and competition

00:38:04in murder

00:38:08competition with whom?

00:38:11Raffaele Amanda

00:38:12they were sentenced

00:38:13later acquitted

00:38:14and now again

00:38:15condemned

00:38:15but four processes

00:38:17they seem

00:38:18not having yet

00:38:18clarified

00:38:19all doubts

00:38:24the evening of November 2nd

00:38:25prompt

00:38:26talk to the father

00:38:27on the phone

00:38:27and tells him

00:38:28who is washing the dishes

00:38:29It's 8:42 pm

00:38:31and yet Amanda

00:38:32and Raphael

00:38:33they have always declared

00:38:34of having dinner

00:38:35around 10pm

00:38:40according to their version

00:38:41the two fiancés

00:38:42that evening

00:38:43they saw a movie

00:38:44on the computer

00:38:45until late

00:38:46from the IT expertise

00:38:47but

00:38:48it turns out that the PC

00:38:49of promptness

00:38:50it was not used

00:38:51from 9.10pm

00:38:52at 6:02

00:38:53the morning after

00:39:01on the hook

00:39:01of the bra

00:39:02by Meredith

00:39:03stained with his blood

00:39:04it was found

00:39:05Raffaele's DNA

00:39:06according to the defense

00:39:08it's a contamination

00:39:09since the finding

00:39:10it was acquired

00:39:11over 40 days

00:39:12after the fact

00:39:13and it was found

00:39:14in a different position

00:39:15compared to that

00:39:16where he was located

00:39:17during the first

00:39:17inspection

00:39:18of the scientific

00:39:25on the bath mat

00:39:26is found

00:39:27the footprint

00:39:28of a bare foot

00:39:28imprinted in blood

00:39:29according to the prosecution

00:39:31corresponds

00:39:32on the right foot

00:39:32by Raffaele

00:39:33for the defense though

00:39:35the foot of promptness

00:39:36has a peculiarity

00:39:38on the big toe

00:39:38which excludes

00:39:39whether it is

00:39:40of his foot

00:39:45the owner

00:39:45of a supermarket

00:39:46he claims

00:39:47of having seen Amanda

00:39:48enter his shop

00:39:49at 7:45

00:39:50in the morning

00:39:51of November 2nd

00:39:52and head

00:39:53in the department

00:39:53of detergents

00:39:55remember that

00:39:56when he arrived

00:39:57to open the shop

00:39:58she was already there

00:39:59to wait

00:40:00according to the defense

00:40:01but

00:40:01it's about

00:40:02of a weak testimony

00:40:03arrived

00:40:04one year after the facts

00:40:08and then there's another witness

00:40:09Antonio Curatolo

00:40:11a homeless person

00:40:12who frequented

00:40:12the street area

00:40:13of the Pergola

00:40:14that evening

00:40:15he recognized

00:40:16Amanda and Raffaele

00:40:17not far away

00:40:17from the murder house

00:40:19according to the defense

00:40:20but

00:40:20his testimony

00:40:22it is not reliable

00:40:22also because Curatolo

00:40:24he gets confused

00:40:24overlapping

00:40:25the memory

00:40:26of Halloween evening

00:40:27to that

00:40:27on the evening of the murder

00:40:31the judges

00:40:32of the different processes

00:40:33they interpreted

00:40:33the evidence

00:40:34in a different way

00:40:35December 5, 2009

00:40:37the Assize Court

00:40:38from Perugia

00:40:39Amanda's sentence

00:40:40to 26 years in prison

00:40:41and Raphael

00:40:42at 25

00:40:42October 3, 2011

00:40:45the Court of Appeal

00:40:46overturns the previous ruling

00:40:48and absolves them

00:40:50in March 2013

00:40:51the Court of Cassation

00:40:52decides that's all

00:40:53to be redone

00:40:54after 7 years

00:40:55another process

00:40:56another verdict

00:41:03name of the Italian people

00:41:04the Assize Court

00:41:05Court of Appeal of Florence

00:41:06in criminal proceedings

00:41:07against

00:41:07Nox Amanda Marie

00:41:10I urge Raffaele

00:41:11determines them

00:41:12the penalty imposed

00:41:12to Nox Amanda Marie

00:41:13overall

00:41:14in 28 years

00:41:15and put 6

00:41:15of imprisonment

00:41:17confirmation in the rest

00:41:18the contested sentence

00:41:19Now

00:41:20all that's left to do is wait

00:41:21the sentence

00:41:22of the Court of Cassation

00:41:23wait

00:41:24by the end of the year

00:41:31Raphael

00:41:31you can talk to us

00:41:32of his relationship

00:41:34with Amanda

00:41:35what did she like about Amanda

00:41:36in two words?

00:41:38I

00:41:38basically

00:41:39I met Amanda

00:41:40in a concert

00:41:40of classical music

00:41:41And

00:41:44let's say

00:41:44it was the only one

00:41:45in that concert

00:41:46of classical music

00:41:47as you can imagine

00:41:48it wasn't a concert

00:41:50definitely frequented

00:41:50from a very young age

00:41:51I had gone

00:41:52after I had done

00:41:53a set

00:41:53Very

00:41:55very heavy

00:41:56with a friend of mine

00:41:57and she was the only girl

00:41:59dressed in jeans

00:42:00like me

00:42:01because I was done

00:42:02an exam

00:42:02Therefore

00:42:02I had a moment

00:42:03desire to disconnect

00:42:04a little bit of the head

00:42:05from the books

00:42:06and all that

00:42:07which concerned

00:42:08computer science

00:42:09and I wanted

00:42:10to distract myself for a moment

00:42:12but they were all

00:42:12in a jacket and tie

00:42:13she was the only one

00:42:14dressed in jeans

00:42:15that in some way

00:42:16he saw me

00:42:17Me too

00:42:17that I was dressed in jeans

00:42:18and I was the only one

00:42:18I liked you

00:42:19and you are there

00:42:19we had

00:42:21a smile

00:42:21one with the other

00:42:23I got closer

00:42:24and from there

00:42:25an acquaintance was struck up

00:42:26which then

00:42:27it has perpetuated itself

00:42:28in those days

00:42:29what did she like about her

00:42:30by Amanda

00:42:30Raphael

00:42:31what had struck her

00:42:32she was very

00:42:33she was very

00:42:37it made sense

00:42:38to be

00:42:39it gave me a lot

00:42:41the meaning

00:42:41to be a girl

00:42:42in the country

00:42:43of wonders

00:42:44she was like a little girl

00:42:45who was excited

00:42:47even for the fives

00:42:48of a bird

00:42:49to say

00:42:50it was a thing

00:42:52a bit

00:42:53fairytale

00:42:55alright

00:42:55for the love of God

00:42:59I said things

00:43:00in a manner

00:43:00let's fly over

00:43:02it is the case to say

00:43:04all media

00:43:05Raphael

00:43:07at the start

00:43:08they painted it

00:43:09like the little boy

00:43:10succubus

00:43:11of the lover

00:43:12or of the financed

00:43:12diabolical

00:43:13precisely

00:43:13Amanda

00:43:14she felt

00:43:15Amanda's slave

00:43:16No

00:43:16I basically

00:43:18I knew her

00:43:18a few days ago

00:43:19and I think I have

00:43:20the faculty

00:43:21to understand

00:43:21to want

00:43:22to be able to decide

00:43:23from me

00:43:24that

00:43:25to be done

00:43:26daily

00:43:27Therefore

00:43:28it wasn't

00:43:29neither

00:43:30in mine

00:43:32nightmares

00:43:32more absurd

00:43:33to be able to think

00:43:34in some way

00:43:35to please

00:43:37to a girl

00:43:38that I know

00:43:38for five days

00:43:39really

00:43:39arrive

00:43:40in an orgy

00:43:41bloody

00:43:42or strange things

00:43:43would he ever have lied

00:43:44of a friend of hers

00:43:45Meaning what

00:43:45it's a thing

00:43:46that goes beyond

00:43:47beyond

00:43:48beyond

00:43:48listen

00:43:48has he ever lied

00:43:49for Amanda

00:43:50lie

00:43:51for simple things

00:43:52I intend

00:43:53No

00:43:53I basically

00:43:55she was talking

00:43:56he spoke English

00:43:57and very little Italian

00:43:59Therefore

00:43:59I was speaking

00:44:00little English

00:44:02and very Italian

00:44:03so we helped each other

00:44:04and sometimes

00:44:05there have been

00:44:06misunderstandings

00:44:07on what

00:44:08she was saying

00:44:08Truly

00:44:09as

00:44:09there was one thing

00:44:10what he told me

00:44:11in the affirmative

00:44:11I understood her

00:44:12in the negative

00:44:13there was

00:44:14sometimes

00:44:15it was not understood

00:44:16in a manner

00:44:17just linear

00:44:18but

00:44:18apart from this

00:44:19I don't

00:44:20Meaning what

00:44:21she for example

00:44:21once upon a time

00:44:23what he told me

00:44:23but I didn't have

00:44:24having said this thing

00:44:25why did you translate

00:44:26to others

00:44:27one thing

00:44:27that maybe

00:44:28she then gave up

00:44:28I realize that it is not

00:44:29and basically

00:44:30I did a translation

00:44:31wrong

00:44:32but

00:44:32listen

00:44:33it was expected

00:44:34to carry it forward

00:44:35this love story

00:44:36I

00:44:37I was getting to know her

00:44:38Obviously

00:44:39when it starts

00:44:40it is thought

00:44:41he says

00:44:42a beautiful girl

00:44:44who knows what it's like

00:44:45in the sense

00:44:46who knows if this story

00:44:47may have a sequel

00:44:48who knows if

00:44:49I will love you forever

00:44:50Meaning what

00:44:51it is impossible to know

00:44:53but

00:44:53how many times have you said it

00:44:54I will love you forever

00:44:56hand

00:44:56but I didn't do it

00:44:57every couple of months

00:44:59I didn't do it

00:45:00but

00:45:01basically

00:45:02yes I liked it a lot

00:45:03Yes

00:45:03but

00:45:04in the sense

00:45:05I didn't have

00:45:06Already

00:45:07started to

00:45:08get into the optics

00:45:10of ideas

00:45:10of course I wanted to stay

00:45:11a lot with her

00:45:12but I hadn't entered

00:45:13in the perspective of ideas

00:45:14already planning myself

00:45:15something

00:45:16because I was

00:45:17reaching graduation

00:45:17and shortly after

00:45:18I had to move

00:45:19in Milan

00:45:19for specialization

00:45:20when Amanda

00:45:21she returned to America

00:45:22Raphael

00:45:22so it's over

00:45:23your journey

00:45:24procedural together

00:45:25he felt a little betrayed

00:45:26she

00:45:26he had this feeling

00:45:27or not?

00:45:29No

00:45:29his house

00:45:30it's there

00:45:31in the United States

00:45:31so I don't see

00:45:32nothing strange

00:45:33Anyway

00:45:34I

00:45:35Excuse me

00:45:35except

00:45:36if I have to go back

00:45:37on one point

00:45:38at flash level

00:45:39this expertise

00:45:40requested by the judge

00:45:42not by Raffaele Sollecito

00:45:43he wanted to know

00:45:45from the experts

00:45:46if that

00:45:47that has been done

00:45:48by the scientific police

00:45:49he was reliable

00:45:50as a result

00:45:51or less

00:45:52the expertise

00:45:52he said no

00:45:53and also

00:45:54any traces

00:45:56or further

00:45:57have been preserved

00:45:58and then reanalyzed

00:46:00to bring anyway

00:46:01to a negative result

00:46:02so there is nothing

00:46:04that can be criticized

00:46:05to this expertise

00:46:06very clear

00:46:07for a period

00:46:08was

00:46:09in Santo Domingo

00:46:10have you been to Santo Domingo

00:46:11we told each other

00:46:12shortly before

00:46:13of the sentence

00:46:14they took you away

00:46:15the passport

00:46:16if I'm not mistaken

00:46:16in Austria

00:46:17have you ever thought

00:46:18there was a moment

00:46:19where you said

00:46:19am I never going back to Italy?

00:46:22At that time

00:46:22I in Santo Domingo

00:46:24There are

00:46:24that's why

00:46:25the media

00:46:26then they build

00:46:27I basically

00:46:28if no one

00:46:29he knew I was gone

00:46:30in Santo Domingo

00:46:30I was a person

00:46:31very normal

00:46:32like one of many of you

00:46:33that he is going on holiday

00:46:3420 days

00:46:35in Santo Domingo

00:46:36but excuse me

00:46:38I have a family

00:46:40I have a family

00:46:41I have friends

00:46:42you would have advised him

00:46:43but of course

00:46:44but in Santo Domingo

00:46:45it's always better

00:46:45that in Italy

00:46:46that sucks or something

00:46:48but sorry

00:46:49but

00:46:49why do you have to come back

00:46:50here aside

00:46:50to condemn

00:46:51we are Italians

00:46:52At that time

00:46:52we all do it

00:46:54a large boat

00:46:54everyone

00:46:55it's an incitement

00:46:55it's an escape

00:46:56No

00:46:57it's an incitement

00:46:58it's a consideration

00:46:59I

00:46:59in the end

00:47:00I'm fighting

00:47:01because I feel innocent

00:47:03because I'm innocent

00:47:04you would have done it

00:47:05because you don't have confidence

00:47:06I'm back

00:47:07but I faced

00:47:08also because

00:47:10a family

00:47:10I have friends

00:47:11I have some plans

00:47:12for the future

00:47:13I have dreams

00:47:14I can say

00:47:14I reached

00:47:15many goals

00:47:17on Sunday

00:47:18I really appreciated it

00:47:20the fact that he

00:47:20come back

00:47:21I really appreciated it though

00:47:23as behavior

00:47:24procedural

00:47:25I really appreciated it

00:47:26I made many sacrifices

00:47:29I reached

00:47:29of the goals

00:47:30in this country

00:47:31I had many projects

00:47:32including a project

00:47:33it was coming to mind

00:47:35also a commercial project

00:47:36at the international level

00:47:37and it was also a reason

00:47:38for which

00:47:39I went back there

00:47:40but

00:47:41I am anyway

00:47:42here

00:47:42I basically have

00:47:43all my belongings

00:47:44all my bases

00:47:45from innocent people

00:47:46if you

00:47:47it takes you a second

00:47:48in my shoes

00:47:49beyond

00:47:49of the fact

00:47:50he says

00:47:50no it's okay

00:47:51Italy is a country

00:47:52that falls to pieces

00:47:52but if you

00:47:53a moment

00:47:54you put yourself in my shoes

00:47:55and you think about it

00:47:56a second

00:47:57that I am innocent

00:47:58a second

00:47:59What

00:48:00What

00:48:01you would have done

00:48:01of all this

00:48:04it's not enough

00:48:05but this is one thing

00:48:06which is said

00:48:07but nobody

00:48:07he takes it seriously

00:48:08I

00:48:09I wouldn't want it

00:48:09take

00:48:10Why

00:48:10if he came

00:48:11what seriously

00:48:12we would all be

00:48:13gone away

00:48:13everyone

00:48:13he asks

00:48:14what's happening

00:48:15you see they're going away

00:48:16everyone

00:48:16he asks

00:48:17who believes

00:48:17in justice

00:48:18he believes

00:48:19not even talking

00:48:20not even that we are here

00:48:21to speak

00:48:22I am innocent

00:48:22and I don't speak it

00:48:23it's correct

00:48:25I believe

00:48:25that is more correct

00:48:26his point of view

00:48:27the risk is so high

00:48:29Why

00:48:29you understand me

00:48:31how are other things

00:48:31the first degree

00:48:32the second

00:48:32the Court of Cassation

00:48:34That

00:48:34eh

00:48:36the risk is very high

00:48:37I know it

00:48:38when in doubt

00:48:39I take off

00:48:40from the balls

00:48:41No

00:48:41Certainly

00:48:43I was torn

00:48:44but in the end

00:48:45I made a choice

00:48:46I also see

00:48:47your dad

00:48:47connected

00:48:48with your lawyer

00:48:49the connection

00:48:50sometimes

00:48:51comes and goes

00:48:52I'm going back to him

00:48:53after the advertisement

00:48:54with other questions

00:48:54to Raffaele Sollecito

00:48:55see you soon

00:49:00I am very convinced

00:49:02that the aggression

00:49:04was made

00:49:04from a single person

00:49:05and that this person

00:49:07it has already been

00:49:08condemned

00:49:09it's like there is

00:49:10a process

00:49:11Amandocentric

00:49:12Amanda the sun

00:49:13and illuminates

00:49:14of clues

00:49:14Raphael

00:49:16consider

00:49:17Raphael

00:49:18I urge

00:49:19for what it is

00:49:21and not

00:49:21for the half clues

00:49:36welcome back live

00:49:37on the Yellow Line

00:49:38TV viewer friends

00:49:39our guest

00:49:40Raffaele Sollecito

00:49:42that is lending itself

00:49:43a comparison

00:49:44among those who are guilty

00:49:45Roberto Abruzzone

00:49:46and who instead

00:49:47he is innocent

00:49:48Vittorio Feltri

00:49:49Speaking of which

00:49:49since we're live

00:49:50many tweets

00:49:52that are coming to us

00:49:53someone

00:49:54different

00:49:55they complain

00:49:56because they say

00:49:56ah but how

00:49:57Feltri offends

00:49:58Meredith

00:49:58on aesthetics

00:50:00he said

00:50:01In short

00:50:01we remember

00:50:02that Meredith

00:50:03he is a victim

00:50:04and probably

00:50:05Vittorio Feltri

00:50:05he didn't want to

00:50:06offend

00:50:07but of course it would be the last thing

00:50:08I was just saying

00:50:09to understand

00:50:11the possible

00:50:12motive

00:50:13that the thing

00:50:14it was not proposed

00:50:15since he

00:50:16he knew

00:50:16the 4th or 5th day

00:50:18that lady

00:50:19that we see

00:50:20there too

00:50:20it seems to me

00:50:21that he didn't have

00:50:23problems

00:50:24as an alternative

00:50:26But this must be said

00:50:28otherwise it is not understood

00:50:29if not not

00:50:29we get to the heart of the matter

00:50:31of the issues

00:50:32to eventualize

00:50:33some things

00:50:34very important

00:50:35Why

00:50:36doctor

00:50:37Patrick Lumumba

00:50:38he was arrested

00:50:40I do them

00:50:41this question

00:50:41Why

00:50:42I would like to make it clear

00:50:43Also

00:50:44Why

00:50:44why Amanda

00:50:45he placed it

00:50:46together with her

00:50:47at the crime scene

00:50:48OK

00:50:48then Amanda

00:50:49at the crime scene

00:50:50he placed

00:50:51itself

00:50:52and Patrick Lumumba

00:50:53I don't exist

00:50:54a

00:50:54and second thing

00:50:55it didn't exist

00:50:57nothing else

00:50:57Patrick Lumumba

00:50:58they broke through

00:50:59the front door

00:51:00they entered

00:51:00they dragged him

00:51:01in prison

00:51:02without letting him speak

00:51:04just because

00:51:05a 20-year-old girl

00:51:06American

00:51:07at a certain point

00:51:08of the day

00:51:09he made his name

00:51:10saying he did

00:51:11a murder

00:51:12if he had done

00:51:13his name

00:51:15the police

00:51:16they were waiting here

00:51:16and they brought them to you

00:51:17directly to prison

00:51:18without making you

00:51:19no questions asked

00:51:20without you

00:51:20you could appeal

00:51:22to nothing

00:51:22you were inside

00:51:24the cell

00:51:24without any

00:51:26real base

00:51:27if not

00:51:27a statement

00:51:29defined

00:51:30spontaneous

00:51:31which then

00:51:31he didn't even have

00:51:32a lawyer

00:51:32of a girl

00:51:33American

00:51:34at 20 years old

00:51:34session at the police station

00:51:35for almost

00:51:367-8 hours

00:51:37which is absurd to me

00:51:39I want to go for a moment

00:51:40from your dad

00:51:41Raphael

00:51:42Francesco Sollecito

00:51:43what awaits us

00:51:45it's connected to home

00:51:45Good evening

00:51:46Mr. Sollecito

00:51:47who is in company

00:51:47of your lawyer

00:51:49and there was this

00:51:50in her opinion

00:51:51there was this

00:51:52in her opinion

00:51:53the fact that

00:51:54against his son

00:51:55have been

00:51:56manufactured

00:51:57in quotation marks

00:51:58as he says

00:51:58of the evidence

00:51:59made with investigations

00:52:01which leave much to be desired

00:52:02it's a fact

00:52:08indisputable

00:52:09that Raffaele

00:52:10he was arrested

00:52:11that night

00:52:12simply

00:52:13because it was given to him

00:52:14attributed

00:52:15a footprint

00:52:16of shoe

00:52:17left

00:52:18with blood

00:52:19of the victim

00:52:20which then

00:52:21subsequently

00:52:23instead it was

00:52:23demonstrated

00:52:24belong

00:52:25to the shoe

00:52:25by Rudi Ghedè

00:52:28the only one

00:52:29element

00:52:30what does he say?

00:52:30your father

00:52:31it's like this

00:52:32he was the only one

00:52:33element

00:52:34Exactly

00:52:35agree

00:52:36to the doctor

00:52:37Bruzzano

00:52:37he was arrested

00:52:38initially

00:52:38exclusively

00:52:39for that element

00:52:40because they have

00:52:41attributed

00:52:41erroneously

00:52:42because then it emerged

00:52:43actually

00:52:43that was a mistake

00:52:44to him

00:52:45a footprint

00:52:46bloody

00:52:471, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

00:52:49the circles

00:52:50it doesn't match

00:52:51the number

00:52:51maybe there is something

00:52:52that's not going well

00:52:52but no correspondence

00:52:53perfect

00:52:54they wrote

00:52:55there is no comment to make

00:52:56we are facing

00:52:58to madness

00:52:59they wrote

00:52:59to the absurdity

00:53:01arrest a person

00:53:02for a shoe

00:53:03that is not his

00:53:03but it comes

00:53:05the bill

00:53:05in whose hands are we?

00:53:07this is

00:53:09scandalizes

00:53:09this is scandalous

00:53:11this is true

00:53:12and they noticed it

00:53:14only

00:53:14several months later

00:53:16and they noticed it

00:53:17says the dad

00:53:18of promptness

00:53:19several months later

00:53:20Truly

00:53:20we are here

00:53:21we really are there

00:53:22we noticed first

00:53:23eh

00:53:24in February

00:53:26of the following year

00:53:28and only

00:53:29in May

00:53:30they had

00:53:30the confirmation

00:53:31of that

00:53:32that we supported

00:53:33Why

00:53:34they knew

00:53:35even

00:53:35by Rudy Guedet

00:53:36which in fact

00:53:38that shoe

00:53:38it was his

00:53:39let's hear for a moment

00:53:41a salient passage

00:53:43of the indictment

00:53:45of the Attorney General

00:53:46so after that

00:53:48Raphael

00:53:49prompt

00:53:49was

00:53:50convicted

00:53:51a summary

00:53:51we hear

00:53:59the indigence is open

00:54:01the word

00:54:02to the Attorney General

00:54:04the defendant

00:54:05he reports to us

00:54:07report

00:54:08to the investigating bodies

00:54:09that on the evening of the fact

00:54:11they

00:54:12he put himself

00:54:13at a certain time

00:54:14on the computer

00:54:15then he adds

00:54:15also for the color data

00:54:17I smoked a joint

00:54:18and speaking

00:54:19moreover

00:54:20in the singular

00:54:21and so here it is

00:54:22that's the moment

00:54:23in which

00:54:24for the first time

00:54:25pops out

00:54:26this

00:54:27let's say

00:54:28explanation

00:54:29this justification

00:54:30it is taken note

00:54:32that actually

00:54:33the alibi

00:54:34it's false

00:54:37I would say

00:54:38contradicted

00:54:39in a way

00:54:40clear

00:54:41from

00:54:41activity

00:54:42of investigation

00:54:44of the police

00:54:45which

00:54:46they put

00:54:47featured

00:54:47instead of

00:54:48not even this

00:54:49let's say

00:54:50This

00:54:51to touch

00:54:52of the keyboard

00:54:53actually

00:54:54it is proven

00:54:55or anyway

00:54:56demonstrable

00:54:56and then

00:54:57what should I think

00:54:59I have to think

00:55:00to a third

00:55:00a stranger

00:55:01to someone

00:55:03that so

00:55:03In short

00:55:04he falls into this house

00:55:05he does these things

00:55:07leaves traces

00:55:08by Gede

00:55:09and to remove

00:55:11it is not known what

00:55:12because then

00:55:12of this third

00:55:13unknown

00:55:14let's say

00:55:14it's not that we have

00:55:15signal

00:55:16but

00:55:17you can't

00:55:19use

00:55:20the Gede

00:55:21as a sort of

00:55:22let's say so

00:55:23Of

00:55:24stopgap

00:55:25which can be useful

00:55:26to some extent

00:55:27for all needs

00:55:29toxic

00:55:30toxic

00:55:31or non-toxic

00:55:32he is sure to be well looked after

00:55:33of his memory

00:55:34what do we say?

00:55:35places

00:55:36the two defendants

00:55:37on time

00:55:38compatible

00:55:39in this

00:55:40square

00:55:41Grimana

00:55:41at least in one case

00:55:43we find

00:55:44superimposed

00:55:46DNA

00:55:47of the victim

00:55:48on this trail

00:55:49with DNA

00:55:50of NOX

00:55:51Certain

00:55:52we were at home

00:55:53Together

00:55:53I understand

00:55:54beauty

00:55:54but all in all

00:55:56I am trying to say

00:55:56it's not very easy

00:55:57that these DNA

00:55:59Understood

00:55:59I'm not

00:56:00the potholders

00:56:00of hydrolyte

00:56:02In short

00:56:02I am trying to say

00:56:02must

00:56:03that there is

00:56:04a reason

00:56:05for which

00:56:05a certain DNA

00:56:06is found

00:56:08at one point

00:56:09rather than

00:56:09in another

00:56:09here too

00:56:10we have

00:56:11an analysis

00:56:12which identifies

00:56:14in a certain way

00:56:15the presence

00:56:16of the accused

00:56:17prompt

00:56:18on this hook

00:56:19and yet the fact remains

00:56:21gentlemen

00:56:21that if I

00:56:22I have to imagine

00:56:24that on that hook

00:56:27in quantity

00:56:27appreciable

00:56:28there is DNA

00:56:29of promptness

00:56:30here I can't

00:56:30think

00:56:31to a DNA

00:56:32of promptness

00:56:33that sails

00:56:35in that house

00:56:36I have to think

00:56:37to a transport

00:56:38in concrete terms

00:56:39but what contamination

00:56:41you can imagine

00:56:42if in that context

00:56:43of promptness

00:56:44there is no trace

00:56:45how to get there

00:56:46on whose part

00:56:47that in a way

00:56:48with what

00:56:48are you joking?

00:56:50I would go there

00:56:51a little cautious

00:56:51here in the

00:56:53give all this

00:56:54comprehension

00:56:55to these young people

00:56:57I ask the Court

00:56:59two things

00:57:00essentially

00:57:01which certainly

00:57:02the slander

00:57:04at your expense

00:57:05Of

00:57:05Nox

00:57:06Amanda

00:57:07is

00:57:08reformulated

00:57:09in the penalty

00:57:10carrying

00:57:11the same

00:57:12to the measure

00:57:134 years old

00:57:13of imprisonment

00:57:14thus excluding each other

00:57:15the futile reason

00:57:16I ask you

00:57:17to affirm

00:57:17criminal liability

00:57:18of both

00:57:19the defendants

00:57:19with conviction

00:57:20for each

00:57:21to the penalty

00:57:21aged 26

00:57:22of imprisonment

00:57:24let's do something

00:57:26I can reply

00:57:28Certain

00:57:28absolutely

00:57:29Excuse me

00:57:30At that time

00:57:31first of all

00:57:32the Attorney General

00:57:35he forgot

00:57:36that we

00:57:37when we cough

00:57:38we release the DNA

00:57:38on the ground

00:57:39but the very fact

00:57:40that we

00:57:41we release the DNA

00:57:42on the ground

00:57:43presupposes

00:57:44that someone

00:57:45finds

00:57:45what's on the ground

00:57:46maybe in the corridor

00:57:48near the door

00:57:49which the police

00:57:49scientific

00:57:50he didn't do it

00:57:50so where from

00:57:51he came

00:57:52my DNA

00:57:52you can imagine

00:57:54but in fact

00:57:55the police

00:57:56he did not give an account

00:57:57of that

00:57:58which they analyzed

00:57:59just a few things

00:58:00in that house

00:58:01but not on the ground

00:58:02not in the corners

00:58:04where he could

00:58:05where it could be found

00:58:07my DNA

00:58:07not at the crime scene

00:58:09why that house

00:58:10I used to go to her

00:58:11but moreover

00:58:12in the competition

00:58:14of which

00:58:15I am accused of it

00:58:16they have to explain it to me

00:58:18in a concrete way

00:58:19and absolute

00:58:20why Gede

00:58:22talk about the fact

00:58:23that in this murder

00:58:24where there is a lot of blood

00:58:26and it's everywhere

00:58:27there is a pool of blood

00:58:28you can see it in the photographs

00:58:30he himself says

00:58:31that got soaked

00:58:32the trousers

00:58:33and it was soaked

00:58:34up to the socks

00:58:35of blood

00:58:35I am sorry

00:58:36to tell

00:58:37these details

00:58:38but I have to represent

00:58:40instead of me

00:58:41they even have

00:58:42analyzed

00:58:43the sponges

00:58:44the towels

00:58:45the exhausts

00:58:45of the sinks

00:58:46of the exhausts

00:58:47of the shower

00:58:48all exhausts

00:58:49every corner

00:58:49of my house

00:58:50and my clothes

00:58:52and they found nothing

00:58:53why is there this disparity

00:58:55and how is it possible?

00:58:56how is this possible?

00:58:57but it is possible

00:58:58Why

00:58:59we are facing

00:59:00to an apparatus

00:59:01which should

00:59:02to do justice

00:59:04starting from the investigations

00:59:05preliminari

00:59:07and all the checks

00:59:09which is done

00:59:11with methods

00:59:13what to define as artisanal

00:59:15not to mention

00:59:16swear words

00:59:18he doesn't want to swear

00:59:19but all I can say is swear words

00:59:21you understand?

00:59:22that is, we are facing

00:59:24to some methods

00:59:26so sloppy

00:59:27so incapable

00:59:30as if it were

00:59:31to decide

00:59:33who cooked

00:59:34the chicken

00:59:35hand

00:59:35here we are facing

00:59:37to human persons

00:59:38to a victim

00:59:39who deserves justice

00:59:41we are facing

00:59:42to accused persons

00:59:44at random

00:59:45on bases

00:59:47charlatans

00:59:48and all this

00:59:49it scares me

00:59:50I felt

00:59:51speak first

00:59:52the requisition

00:59:52I have nothing

00:59:53against no one

00:59:54I actually love it

00:59:55the magistrates

00:59:56because I'm terrified of it

00:59:57because I'm terrified of it

00:59:58so I say

01:00:00magistrates

01:00:02leave me alone

01:00:03because it's a whole life

01:00:04that are at stake

01:00:05with courts

01:00:06they condemn me

01:00:08to complaints

01:00:09sometimes I have been

01:00:10an acquitted person

01:00:10that I was wrong

01:00:11almost always

01:00:12convicted

01:00:13that I was right

01:00:14it's a disaster

01:00:15but I'm telling the truth

01:00:17but I say what it is

01:00:19then I have no words

01:00:20I in front of these

01:00:21monstrosity

01:00:22I don't laugh

01:00:24I'm not saying

01:00:25I

01:00:25in his shoes

01:00:27I can be

01:00:28I'm going on a plate

01:00:29not only would I have run away

01:00:31perhaps alternatively

01:00:32I would have committed suicide

01:00:34No

01:00:35let's not say

01:00:36of course

01:00:37but you don't know

01:00:38what does it mean

01:00:39stay 25 years

01:00:40in jail

01:00:40we talk

01:00:41damn it

01:00:42ask him

01:00:43what does it mean

01:00:43to be in jail

01:00:44stay there for 25 years

01:00:46two meters by three

01:00:47with a bathroom

01:00:48that fails

01:00:48not even to sit down

01:00:50with a person

01:00:51that looks at you

01:00:52continuously

01:00:53Roberta Bruccio

01:00:54let's go back to the indictment

01:00:55of the public prosecutor

01:00:57I repeat

01:00:58I'm struggling

01:00:58I to

01:00:59put me before

01:01:00who convinced

01:01:01that indictment

01:01:02of the public prosecutor

01:01:03Well

01:01:03that's a minimal portion

01:01:04because it lasted several hours

01:01:06in short he faced

01:01:06different aspects

01:01:07and in that indictment

01:01:09not in the piece

01:01:09that you have shown

01:01:10the PG goes

01:01:12very flat

01:01:13in the sense

01:01:13on the side of the diversion

01:01:15and it is the element

01:01:16on which beyond the hook

01:01:17he leads back

01:01:18a second moment

01:01:21very important

01:01:21of this story

01:01:22so the crime

01:01:23it's a thing

01:01:24there is a diversion

01:01:25and there is the activity

01:01:26of cleaning

01:01:27of the scene

01:01:27because anyway

01:01:28I repeat

01:01:30it's in the corridor

01:01:32external

01:01:32there is hair everywhere

01:01:34hair everywhere

01:01:35of the corridor

01:01:35in the room

01:01:36it's not a cleaning

01:01:37of those fabulous ones

01:01:38but the blood

01:01:39how does he do it?

01:01:40to selectively join

01:01:41but it's not that it's selectively cleaned

01:01:42there are some

01:01:43types of footprints

01:01:44that in fact there are

01:01:45there is clearly

01:01:46a series of footprints

01:01:47bloody

01:01:48by Ghedè

01:01:49attributable to Ghedè

01:01:50visible

01:01:51and they are present

01:01:51and they go from the room

01:01:52by Meredith

01:01:53up to the door

01:01:53exit

01:01:54of the house

01:01:55there are a whole series

01:01:56of other findings

01:01:58emerged later

01:01:59with the use of luminol

01:02:00so with the research

01:02:01of traces of blood

01:02:02of washed

01:02:03that they don't have

01:02:05an attribution

01:02:06genetics

01:02:07at the request

01:02:08and it's good to reiterate it here

01:02:09but what they show

01:02:10moreover they are also

01:02:11in the room

01:02:12of Romanelli

01:02:13bare feet

01:02:14of subjects

01:02:15that move

01:02:16inside the scene

01:02:17during the work

01:02:18that the accusation

01:02:19and I frankly

01:02:19I agree

01:02:20he believes

01:02:21of misdirection

01:02:22obviously you

01:02:23do you think this

01:02:24it is not

01:02:24but in fact

01:02:25this is the element

01:02:26what does he say?

01:02:26there were

01:02:27at least two people

01:02:29on the scene

01:02:29why Meredith

01:02:30has a damaging picture

01:02:32very important

01:02:33there are over 40

01:02:34between grasps

01:02:36threat wounds

01:02:37and how much

01:02:37and has no wounds

01:02:39from defense

01:02:39so since

01:02:40he doesn't have a girlfriend

01:02:41physically fit

01:02:42there is a good libido

01:02:43on the government

01:02:43I understand

01:02:44but it's not a wound

01:02:44from defense

01:02:44that

01:02:46even some hairs

01:02:47under the nails

01:02:48it's not a wound

01:02:49from defense

01:02:49hair under the nails

01:02:51they are wounds

01:02:52from defense

01:02:52found

01:02:52there are no injuries

01:02:53from defense

01:02:54no they are not wounds

01:02:54from defense

01:02:55they are wounds

01:02:55from threat

01:02:56it wasn't useful

01:02:58at the end

01:02:58of identification

01:03:00then there's that one

01:03:01knife issue

01:03:02so it is believed

01:03:03and then there is the question

01:03:04of the knife

01:03:04because the doctor

01:03:06I would like to ask a question

01:03:07specification

01:03:07on the knife

01:03:08can you explain to me

01:03:10a bit of that knife

01:03:11there how you used it

01:03:12at your home

01:03:12that knife

01:03:14which is a knife

01:03:15of these dimensions

01:03:16I reiterate

01:03:16it's a knife

01:03:18which was used

01:03:19to cut

01:03:20the vegetables

01:03:21the potatoes

01:03:21the bread

01:03:22in fact they found

01:03:23of the starch

01:03:23right at the intersection

01:03:25between the handle

01:03:26and the blade

01:03:26that starch

01:03:27it was potato starch

01:03:28precisely because

01:03:28me in the kitchen

01:03:30I was acting a little

01:03:31by chef

01:03:32in the sense

01:03:33I left myself

01:03:33the dirty work

01:03:34in the sense

01:03:35cut the vegetables

01:03:36these things

01:03:36to Amanda

01:03:37instead I was throwing myself in

01:03:38in the stove

01:03:39with the pan

01:03:40the pan

01:03:41and so on

01:03:44I dabbled in this

01:03:46but answering

01:03:48to that

01:03:49which referred to

01:03:50the doctor

01:03:51in the scene

01:03:52they are not here

01:03:53traces of cleaning

01:03:54and those footprints

01:03:55he was talking about

01:03:56it is not said

01:03:57that they are attributable

01:03:58to more people

01:03:59because they are all footprints

01:04:00of the same foot

01:04:02which if I'm not mistaken

01:04:03it's the left one

01:04:04my father

01:04:04he knows

01:04:05less than me

01:04:05It is not true

01:04:07it's always the same foot

01:04:08always the same

01:04:09that's what they say

01:04:11which is mine

01:04:12on the mat

01:04:13it can't be mine

01:04:14because even if halfway

01:04:15and therefore it cannot be done

01:04:16define the size

01:04:18of the track

01:04:19because it can't be said

01:04:21how big it is

01:04:22but you can see it

01:04:23Very well

01:04:24that the second finger

01:04:25on that mat

01:04:26he supports

01:04:26while I do not support

01:04:28never the second finger

01:04:29the appraisal done

01:04:30from the prosecution

01:04:31I want to finish

01:04:32the appraisal done

01:04:33from the prosecution

01:04:34the experts

01:04:35brought by the prosecution

01:04:36that is, the experts

01:04:37the consultants

01:04:37brought by the prosecution

01:04:38they declared themselves

01:04:40incompetent

01:04:40in morphology

01:04:41it means that

01:04:42they don't know anything about it

01:04:44of how I am

01:04:45the morphologies of the feet

01:04:46but they did

01:04:47an analysis

01:04:47based on measurements

01:04:48taken from them

01:04:49that they don't have

01:04:51no basis

01:04:52real concrete

01:04:53instead the stories

01:04:55they did

01:04:56these investigations

01:04:56with your feet

01:04:57they used these

01:04:59allow me though

01:05:00a question

01:05:01it's a little strange

01:05:03to think that one

01:05:03you use a knife

01:05:0419 cm

01:05:06a beautiful beast

01:05:08so to peel

01:05:08some potatoes

01:05:09Me too

01:05:10when I cut

01:05:10the file

01:05:11I'm like that

01:05:12he was the only one

01:05:13that he didn't have

01:05:16the serrated blade

01:05:17Understood

01:05:17why the blade

01:05:18it is serrated

01:05:18it's annoying

01:05:19yes but that

01:05:20it's a knife

01:05:20extremely uncomfortable

01:05:21to peel an object

01:05:22like this

01:05:22hear what comes back to you

01:05:23to cut the bread

01:05:24you

01:05:26to cut

01:05:27to cut bread too

01:05:28he talked about vegetables

01:05:30even bread

01:05:32he said it

01:05:32now he said it

01:05:34he hadn't said it before

01:05:35no no I said it before

01:05:36I told you about the recording

01:05:38I remember

01:05:38maybe he's stupid

01:05:39yes but not deaf

01:05:39so I heard bread

01:05:41I

01:05:41At home

01:05:43I have at my disposal

01:05:44of various knives

01:05:45of various sizes

01:05:46to cut the bread

01:05:47I don't use a penknife

01:05:48but a knife like that

01:05:50wavy too

01:05:51mine is also wavy

01:05:52maybe yours doesn't

01:05:52and cut the bread

01:05:54but what's strange about it?

01:05:56to have at home

01:05:56a knife like this

01:05:57we all have

01:05:58a knife like this

01:05:59or not

01:06:00who among you

01:06:01he doesn't have a knife like that

01:06:02At home

01:06:03she doesn't have it

01:06:04Attention

01:06:05Attention

01:06:05everyone else has it

01:06:07in the first degree

01:06:08what the hell are you saying?

01:06:09and it is the element

01:06:10on which however

01:06:11there will still be

01:06:12to be discussed

01:06:12listen to photos

01:06:13that are very indistinct

01:06:14they make you laugh

01:06:15but you enjoy it

01:06:16a person

01:06:16on the basis

01:06:17of these

01:06:18weights

01:06:18it was found

01:06:42found in absolute

01:06:43as a possible weapon

01:06:44of the crime

01:06:45because there is something to say

01:06:46this too

01:06:46why they didn't find it

01:06:47no knife

01:06:48in Meredi's house

01:06:49because that

01:06:50tested positive

01:06:50No

01:06:51them while they were doing

01:06:52the investigations

01:06:53they collected everything

01:06:54After

01:06:54they did the tests

01:06:55I'll explain to you why

01:06:56because there is a wiretap

01:06:57with Amanda

01:06:59between the mother and Amanda

01:07:00what does he say?

01:07:01it worries me

01:07:02or something like that

01:07:03the knife

01:07:04at Raffaele's house

01:07:04but when but

01:07:05it's written

01:07:06this one too

01:07:06it's in the motivation

01:07:07of the Court of Cassation

01:07:07and it is in the sentence

01:07:08also from Puglia

01:07:09No

01:07:09I don't remember

01:07:09no type of interception

01:07:11there is this interception

01:07:12environmental

01:07:12between Amanda's mother

01:07:14and Amanda

01:07:15and what does he say?

01:07:15At that time

01:07:16let's go to your father

01:07:17Mr. Solicitous

01:07:18there are the results

01:07:19this information

01:07:21in the sentence

01:07:22but absolutely not

01:07:24but where from

01:07:24the doctor comes out

01:07:25now Fruzzone

01:07:26he says

01:07:26look

01:07:27I'll find it for you

01:07:28because I saved it

01:07:28Me too

01:07:29the Amanda

01:07:30Amanda says

01:07:32Dr. Fruzzone

01:07:33come and listen to me

01:07:34a moment

01:07:35Yes, of course

01:07:35Amanda says

01:07:36to the mother

01:07:37simply

01:07:38that she was there

01:07:39not the knife

01:07:40he was there

01:07:41she was there

01:07:42and then there

01:07:43you can understand us

01:07:44many ways

01:07:45there at Meredith's house

01:07:46like there at Raffaele's house

01:07:48I understood

01:07:49but we go through it

01:07:50on the sentences

01:07:50we'll pass by

01:07:51on the sentences

01:07:52a second

01:07:53the test

01:07:54that has been done

01:07:55on the blade

01:07:56of that knife

01:07:57be patient

01:07:59It takes me two minutes

01:08:01to explain to her

01:08:01things

01:08:02Please

01:08:03Please

01:08:23Please

01:08:24from the cells

01:08:25that have a nucleus

01:08:26Very well

01:08:27then you know

01:08:28what is the percentage

01:08:30what's in the blood

01:08:31among the white blood cells

01:08:33generally understood

01:08:35and red blood cells

01:08:36that have no DNA

01:08:37and the proportion

01:08:39from 1 to 1000

01:08:40Therefore

01:08:41if there had been

01:08:42Meredith's DNA

01:08:44on that blade

01:08:45all the more so

01:08:471 in 1000

01:08:48there had to be

01:08:49positivity

01:08:51of the blood

01:08:52by Meredith

01:08:53on that blade

01:08:53I repeat

01:08:541 in 1000

01:08:56agree

01:08:57so what are we talking about

01:08:59Then

01:08:59one more thing

01:09:01who said

01:09:01Dr. Bruzione

01:09:02which is absolutely

01:09:03not true

01:09:04is that

01:09:06the test

01:09:07that has been done

01:09:08of DNA

01:09:09it was done

01:09:11with

01:09:11it was found

01:09:13of human DNA

01:09:14instead it is false

01:09:15why it was used

01:09:17a procedure

01:09:20which is not specific

01:09:22for human DNA

01:09:24to find that DNA

01:09:25it was found

01:09:27it was found

01:09:28that track

01:09:29with the fluorimeter

01:09:31not with reality

01:09:33in PCR

01:09:33so it's not specific

01:09:35for human DNA

01:09:36that test

01:09:37is it clear?

01:09:38and then

01:09:40the official appraisal

01:09:41he said it

01:09:42in a manner

01:09:42irrefutable

01:09:43that that DNA

01:09:44does not belong

01:09:45to Meredith

01:09:46so if you want

01:09:47continue

01:09:48to take out

01:09:49subjects

01:09:49that are not there

01:09:50in wax

01:09:51welcome

01:09:52but let's stop it

01:09:53Please

01:09:54to say things

01:09:55that are not true

01:09:56had the chance

01:09:58to put

01:09:59a series of stakes

01:10:00Indeed

01:10:01I repeat

01:10:02if there had been

01:10:03Meredith's blood

01:10:04and had a chance

01:10:06a thousand times superior

01:10:08to find blood

01:10:09compared to DNA

01:10:10and anyway

01:10:10if there was any DNA

01:10:11he had to by force

01:10:12find blood

01:10:13it was this

01:10:14what he was meaning

01:10:15my father

01:10:15with that attribution

01:10:16one less

01:10:17it is not said

01:10:17no it's like that

01:10:18because it is much simpler

01:10:19it's necessarily so

01:10:20why cells

01:10:21it's not that they're leaving

01:10:22alone out and about

01:10:24the cells anyway

01:10:25they go together

01:10:25kill a girl

01:10:27with a knife

01:10:27and then he takes it home

01:10:29but also to this one

01:10:30it doesn't seem like it to me

01:10:31a real nonsense

01:10:33No?

01:10:34as they say in Naples

01:10:35No

01:10:36you

01:10:37kill the knife

01:10:38and take it home

01:10:39where did you find me

01:10:39this blood?

01:10:40and then you don't delete anything

01:10:41you don't erase anything

01:10:43why so

01:10:44if the investigators arrive

01:10:45you let yourself be discovered

01:10:46so he's also an idiot

01:10:48according to this reconstruction

01:10:50it's absurd

01:10:51there he is

01:10:51but realize

01:10:52for own page

01:10:54we have placed

01:10:55for the reply

01:10:56ninth

01:10:57in the sentence

01:10:58in Cassation

01:10:59and why?

01:11:01Listen

01:11:01in the Supreme Court ruling

01:11:03it's written there

01:11:03the following sentence

01:11:05the Nox

01:11:06he demonstrated

01:11:07worry

01:11:08with the mother

01:11:09for a knife

01:11:10who is at home

01:11:10by Raffaele

01:11:11on this type

01:11:12from that point

01:11:13they go

01:11:14they find

01:11:14but it's straw

01:11:15the Court of Cassation

01:11:16he wrote

01:11:16a lot of nonsense

01:11:17but then

01:11:18if we say

01:11:19that the Court of Cassation

01:11:19he wrote

01:11:19a lot of nonsense

01:11:20it's another pair of hands

01:11:21but it's written

01:11:21it's not that it's not written

01:11:23the Court of Cassation

01:11:24he writes

01:11:25I don't think it's made up

01:11:26of the data

01:11:27she doesn't have

01:11:28the right

01:11:28she doesn't have

01:11:30the right

01:11:31to support

01:11:31that since

01:11:32he wrote it

01:11:33the Court of Cassation

01:11:33all that

01:11:34that was written

01:11:35previously

01:11:36and that anyway

01:11:37on file

01:11:37it doesn't exist

01:11:38have patience

01:11:39the Court of Cassation

01:11:40he even wrote

01:11:41that those

01:11:42invisible traces

01:11:44barefoot

01:11:46in the corridor

01:11:47be careful

01:11:48in the corridor

01:11:51they were left

01:11:53with blood

01:11:54of the victim

01:11:55which is a heresy

01:11:56because no one

01:11:58has he ever said

01:11:58nor the consultants

01:12:00of the prosecution

01:12:01nor the scientific police

01:12:03nor anyone else

01:12:04that those

01:12:04footprints

01:12:05of you sleep

01:12:06barefoot

01:12:07which have been

01:12:07exalted

01:12:08with luminol

01:12:09they were left

01:12:10with blood

01:12:11Very well

01:12:12the Court of Cassation

01:12:12he wrote

01:12:13which have been

01:12:14left with the blood

01:12:15the fact that he wrote it

01:12:16the Court of Cassation

01:12:17Dr. Gussone

01:12:18if I may

01:12:19it shouldn't mean

01:12:21nothing for a person

01:12:22normal

01:12:22because it's not true

01:12:26the judges of the Supreme Court

01:12:28this is the problem

01:12:29he did well

01:12:30to clarify

01:12:31Mr. Sollecito

01:12:32that what they write

01:12:33the judges

01:12:34it's not a

01:12:35those weapons

01:12:35they were not

01:12:36at least on the blood

01:12:37I would like

01:12:38I would like to conclude

01:12:39really

01:12:40do you ever think about it

01:12:41to the credit of

01:12:41Yes

01:12:43I

01:12:43I thought about it

01:12:44a lot in these years

01:12:46to tell the truth

01:12:48and I can't even

01:12:49to imagine

01:12:49the pain

01:12:50that he has

01:12:51Meriti's family

01:12:52have you ever heard

01:12:52the need

01:12:53to meet

01:12:53Meriti's family?

01:12:54Yes

01:12:55me even

01:12:55I wrote a letter

01:12:56right in the immediate future

01:12:58of when I was arrested

01:13:00and investigations

01:13:01to express

01:13:02my closeness

01:13:03and telling him

01:13:04that I had faith

01:13:05that the whole truth

01:13:06it would have come out

01:13:07and that anyway

01:13:08all this

01:13:09hitch

01:13:10and this

01:13:11in quotation marks

01:13:12this is not

01:13:13This

01:13:14not understanding each other

01:13:17it would have come out

01:13:18and we would all come back

01:13:20at home happily

01:13:21unfortunately he was deluded

01:13:22from this point of view

01:13:24only that

01:13:25I

01:13:26I ask

01:13:26to family members

01:13:27by Meredith

01:13:30if I thought

01:13:31that my sister

01:13:32because it's the only thing

01:13:34what can I think

01:13:35would meet such an end

01:13:37I think that

01:13:38I would go completely crazy

01:13:40but

01:13:41the thing I ask

01:13:43humbly

01:13:44is that it is not seen

01:13:45only

01:13:46to a summary reality

01:13:48made by an accusatory theory

01:13:50and I ask

01:13:51humbly

01:13:52that you look at

01:13:53actually

01:13:53to the facts

01:13:54of all that

01:13:55which was

01:13:56in the tests

01:13:57in the circumstantial facts

01:14:00and it is analyzed

01:14:01actually

01:14:02what is the truth

01:14:03of everything

01:14:04not simply

01:14:05a theory

01:14:06that fails

01:14:08not even to be together

01:14:09thanks Raffaele

01:14:1030 seconds

01:14:11Of

01:14:11it comes to me

01:14:13Meaning what

01:14:14he says things

01:14:15who said

01:14:16but I greet

01:14:17but I know

01:14:17among all the children

01:14:19of these here

01:14:21HI

01:14:22Roberta Bruzzone

01:14:23this is a story

01:14:24who still has a degree of judgment

01:14:25in front of

01:14:26Therefore

01:14:27it is not

01:14:27let's say

01:14:28it's not finished yet

01:14:29the story

01:14:30it is clear that with these elements

01:14:31waiting for what will be

01:14:32the motivation

01:14:33of the Court of Appeal

01:14:33of Florence

01:14:34of Assisi of Florence

01:14:35let's consider that even

01:14:36the Court of Appeal

01:14:37of Assisi of Florence

01:14:38goes beyond requests

01:14:40for Amanda

01:14:40not for you

01:14:41goes beyond requests

01:14:42even of the PM

01:14:43so I guess

01:14:44that they have overcome

01:14:45any kind of objection

01:14:46let's read these

01:14:47these reasons

01:14:48after which we meet again

01:14:49at the table

01:14:49and we discuss it again

01:14:50and we will definitely discuss it

01:14:52Thank you

01:14:53to Raffaele Sollecito

01:14:54greeting

01:14:55father Francesco

01:14:56thanks of course

01:14:57to Vittorio Feltri

01:14:58and Roberta Bruzzone

01:14:59we stop

01:14:59for a few minutes

01:15:01in a little while

01:15:01the investigations are back

01:15:02on the yellow line

01:15:03stay with us

01:15:04TV viewer friends

01:15:04thanks to you

01:15:05thank you all

01:15:06thank you all

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