Jets vs. Patriots postgame show with Frankie Vittorini, Will Parkinson, Josina Anderson and Jeremy Fowler

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00:00:30Welcome, everyone, to the Gangs All Here post-game show.

00:00:43Frankie Vitz is covering all bases tonight.

00:00:47Ryan is off.

00:00:49Must be nice, Ryan.

00:00:50Must be nice.

00:00:51Although I'm taking off tomorrow, so I'm going to have my little vacay,

00:00:56my little getaway weekend.

00:00:58Yeah, welcome to the New York Post-Sports post-game show.

00:01:01Frankie Vitz in the house.

00:01:02We'll be joined momentarily, five or ten minutes,

00:01:06by Will Parkinson from Turn On The Jets,

00:01:09one of my favorite content creators.

00:01:11We may have a special guest later on in the show, TBD,

00:01:15but kind of stick around for that.

00:01:18Yeah, drop a like on the stream.

00:01:20Make sure you subscribe to the channel, New York Post Sports.

00:01:23I contribute for them.

00:01:25I'm like, you know what, Ryan, you're going away?

00:01:27We can do a show.

00:01:28Put me on.

00:01:29Why not?

00:01:30You know, I could do a solo act.

00:01:31You think this is my first solo act?

00:01:33Please, come on.

00:01:35But the New York Jets lose a weird football game.

00:01:40Just weird.

00:01:41I'm trying to think of how to describe this game.

00:01:44Kind of had a little bit of everything, but a little bit of nothing.

00:01:48The New York Jets lose 27-14 on the road to the New England Patriots.

00:01:56Vegas strikes again right before the game.

00:01:59The Pats were actually 12.5 point favorites,

00:02:03and they covered by a half a point.

00:02:06Shout-outs to Vegas.

00:02:08They seem to do that quite often, don't they?

00:02:10But listen, at the end of the day, the New York Jets just don't have enough firepower

00:02:16to contend on the road with a team like the New England Patriots.

00:02:20The Jets came out.

00:02:22That first drive was beautiful.

00:02:25It was exactly what all Jet fans wanted.

00:02:28It was methodical.

00:02:30The play calling was great.

00:02:32Dustin Fields was confident.

00:02:34Ran the football well.

00:02:36And you capitalized on a defense that I thought could have been taken advantage of.

00:02:42I don't think that New England defense is a defense you really fear.

00:02:45I like that Aaron Glenn came out when we won the coin toss and said,

00:02:50I want the ball, which I always want my head coach to do that,

00:02:55especially when you're 2-7.

00:02:57Take the ball and score.

00:02:59What's the point?

00:03:00Especially with your defense injured like ours was.

00:03:03So I like that by Aaron Glenn.

00:03:04You take the football.

00:03:07You have your best drive of the game, though.

00:03:09And that does seem to happen more often than not.

00:03:11It happens in the NFL.

00:03:13You have that sort of 14-play script to kind of start the game out.

00:03:18Things kind of run well, and then things get flat.

00:03:21Listen, Justin Fields, say what we want about him.

00:03:25I like the kid.

00:03:26I think he is special in terms of his athleticism, but that conversation ends there.

00:03:35Justin Fields cannot pass in the NFL at a level that you're going to be able to overcome deficits.

00:03:43We know the stats with Justin Fields.

00:03:45When a team scores 21 or more points against him, he's 1-26.

00:03:50That one win came a few weeks ago against the Bengals, who had one of the worst defenses we've seen in years.

00:03:57So it's not like some impressive win there.

00:04:00But Justin Fields just doesn't have enough throwing the football.

00:04:03Now, I'll say this.

00:04:06John Mechie dropped a few balls.

00:04:09Oh, excuse me.

00:04:11A.D. Mitchell.

00:04:11Not John Mechie.

00:04:12Excuse me.

00:04:12A.D. Mitchell dropped a few balls there that if you come up with those, A.D., you're putting your team and your quarterback in a more advantageous position.

00:04:24I mean, Justin Fields hit A.D. Mitchell on a streak on that sideline.

00:04:29Could it have been a little bit more forward in the, you know, not towards the sideline?

00:04:33Yeah.

00:04:34Was it a tough catch?

00:04:35Yeah, kind of.

00:04:37That's a catch A.D. Mitchell.

00:04:38You got to make, man.

00:04:40You know?

00:04:41Fields didn't return him any favors later on the next drive when A.D. Mitchell is a good play call.

00:04:50They sort of have a little trips formation.

00:04:52They have A.D. sort of pop out.

00:04:54Fields just throws it behind them.

00:04:56But A.D., you can make that catch.

00:04:59And you should make that catch.

00:05:01Justin Fields cannot have wide receivers, especially when Garrett Wilson's not playing.

00:05:07He cannot have his wide receivers not bailing him out.

00:05:10He just can't.

00:05:11He needed a few bailout catches just to get the mojo going.

00:05:14And that was really it.

00:05:16We tried in the second half to do something.

00:05:18We had one nice drive there in the third quarter where things sort of seemed to move.

00:05:23But New England's offense was just exactly what we expected.

00:05:30Wasn't, you know, some blowout performance by their offense.

00:05:35We weren't blown out necessarily.

00:05:37But it was what we expected.

00:05:38A very efficient game by Drake May.

00:05:42He started the game, I think, 11 in a row, which is his high.

00:05:45He almost threw for 300 yards, which he hasn't done yet in the NFL.

00:05:48Had 281 yards.

00:05:51Travion Henderson added 62 yards on the ground.

00:05:54Two touchdowns.

00:05:54Drake May was 25 of 34 for 281 yards.

00:05:58A majority of those going to Stefan Diggs.

00:06:01Diggs was targeted 11 times.

00:06:03Had nine catches there.

00:06:04Listen, you're going into a fight with a hand tied behind your back.

00:06:10Let's just call a spade a spade.

00:06:12Sauce isn't here.

00:06:12Quinn is not here.

00:06:13Garrett didn't play.

00:06:15We had some injuries there on the outside.

00:06:17AZ Thomas didn't play.

00:06:19What did you expect to happen?

00:06:21This game sort of went exactly, I guess, how Vegas predicted it to go.

00:06:25This was like a chalk kind of game, right?

00:06:28They didn't blow us out like I thought was going to happen.

00:06:30And I believe Ryan did too, if you listened to our preview show, which is always nice.

00:06:35It went, I think, a little bit more with what Kaz said.

00:06:38I think Kaz's prediction may have been spot on, if I'm not mistaken.

00:06:42I think Kaz might have predicted it right on, 27-14.

00:06:46It was a chalk win.

00:06:48It was, or it was a chalk loss, wherever you want to look at it.

00:06:51But shout outs to the comments.

00:06:54Anyone out there, if you want to share some comments right there, we can get this thing moving.

00:07:00Let's go to some comments.

00:07:03We have a running back at quarterback by Mad5K.

00:07:08Yeah, kind of.

00:07:10Listen, you know, Justin Fields at Ohio State, Justin Fields could throw the ball over the yard.

00:07:16Something happened between the time he got drafted in the top 10 to now that he's in the NFL, what, five years later on his fourth different team or six years later, whatever that number is.

00:07:28He just really doesn't see it.

00:07:31And when he does, it's tough on these receivers.

00:07:35Let's not kid ourselves.

00:07:37Yeah, should A.D. Mitchell have made some catches?

00:07:39Yeah.

00:07:39Those are tough catches, though.

00:07:41The kid just started.

00:07:42This is his first game playing here.

00:07:43So these aren't necessarily easy catches.

00:07:46I do think if Garrett Wilson played this game, I do think you might have had a closer game than New England fans would have been comfortable with.

00:07:53Jets defense got shredded tonight.

00:07:56Woof!

00:07:57Ryan in the house.

00:07:59What's up, partner?

00:08:00How we doing?

00:08:02Yeah, listen.

00:08:04The Jets defense didn't give up a big play tonight.

00:08:07So if you look at it in totality, it wasn't one play that you could point to.

00:08:11Brandon Stevens had a really nice play to avoid a big play to Matt Collins.

00:08:16You saw that.

00:08:17And Matt had a step on him.

00:08:19But, yeah, it was methodical.

00:08:21It was just dink and dunk or it was just over the middle, a methodical approach.

00:08:26Drake May, you saw those pressure charts that I really like that Amazon Prime does.

00:08:33And, by the way, Amazon Prime does an awesome job.

00:08:34We got to give them some credit.

00:08:36Like Thursday Night Football that they do, I love it.

00:08:38Like I'm always on either my phone, my TV.

00:08:41I like that I could, you know, rewind and, you know, start live and go back and fast forward.

00:08:47Like that's a good experience.

00:08:48Their other view is pretty cool too.

00:08:52Their next-gen view.

00:08:53I kind of like that.

00:08:54I was kind of feeling that.

00:08:55I was kind of going there and back and forth.

00:08:57But, yeah, Ryan, I mean, the Jets defense, they weren't getting home.

00:09:01That was another thing we spoke about.

00:09:03You got to get some sacks tonight.

00:09:05At least a couple.

00:09:07We only sacked Drake May once.

00:09:09Only once.

00:09:10Drake May knows how to use his pressures.

00:09:12You saw that little pressure circle they were showing.

00:09:15Drake May, there's a little red there.

00:09:17He's going the other way.

00:09:18He just, he feels it.

00:09:20He's an impressive kid.

00:09:21They got a good quarterback over there.

00:09:23They got a good offensive coordinator too in Josh McDaniels.

00:09:26I don't think he really gets enough credit for how he's developed Drake May because Drake May didn't look like that last year.

00:09:32So, yeah, I see some more comments up here.

00:09:36Where were the Brees Hall touches?

00:09:38Our offensive coordinator needs situational awareness if we lose because we're not the best team.

00:09:43No, but to continually, to continually, excuse me, get subpar coaching with situational.

00:09:49Yeah, man, you know, this is the conversation that is tough.

00:09:54It's a tough conversation to have because you give your running back touches usually when you're up or the game's close.

00:10:01We weren't really that close this game.

00:10:04Like, we were always a few scores behind.

00:10:06I know they were down seven for a little bit, but it's tough.

00:10:10You're constantly playing catch-up.

00:10:12You're not, that's why, you know, we were up seven-nothing and then the blink of an eye was 14-seven.

00:10:18New England has the ball.

00:10:19They missed the field goal to end the half.

00:10:22We never were able to get any leverage there to be able to really utilize Brees like we wanted to.

00:10:30Yeah, Brees tonight, I mean, listen, Brees also didn't really do anything tonight, if we're being honest.

00:10:35I mean, he didn't have a bad game, but he didn't have a good game by any stretch.

00:10:38He had, you know, 14 carries for 58 yards, 4.1 a carry, only caught two balls for six yards.

00:10:45I know in our preview show, shout-outs to Vegas again, they had 15 and a half, I think, the over-under on receiving yards for Brees.

00:10:53And Kaz and I were like, take the over!

00:10:56I mean, that wasn't even half of that, right?

00:10:59So, that's football, though.

00:11:02I think they knew, Vegas, that this wasn't going to be a Brees game, and it wasn't.

00:11:07You know, Brees on the overall had, what, 63 total yards on the day?

00:11:13I mean, that's not how you're going to win.

00:11:16Justin Fields, 15 of 26, 116 yards, touchdown, sack twice.

00:11:23I mean, the fact that I'm reading that and telling myself, oh, it's not a bad game.

00:11:30Like, that's a problem, by the way.

00:11:32Like, we have to understand, when we're talking about 116 yards for a quarterback, and I'm not putting all the blame on Fields,

00:11:39but when that becomes, like, your barometer is like 120 yards or something, and a touchdown,

00:11:45and only getting sacked a couple times, it's not good enough.

00:11:47He did add 67 yards on the ground, Fields, and he did have that first touchdown,

00:11:53and I was going to bet the first touchdown with him, and I just was running around.

00:11:58But, Fields can't, reading some more comments here, Fields can't run an offense.

00:12:05Listen, man, Fields, it's tough for Justin Fields to fit an offense.

00:12:10Like, we spoke about that coming into the season.

00:12:13He said, what do the Jets need to do to have an offense catered to Justin Fields?

00:12:19I was saying it's got to look something like the Lamar Jackson Ravens offense, just a cheaper version of that.

00:12:25The Walmart Ravens offense is what we needed to run.

00:12:29We're kind of doing that, I guess, but it's not even Walmart version.

00:12:33It's just, like, backyard football-ish kind of version, and then you have some stuff that Tanner Engstrang goes in his bag with that he learned with Ben Johnson in Detroit.

00:12:45So, it's not really enough.

00:12:48It's just, in this league, you've got to have an offense.

00:12:51You've got to have a quarterback that can put up 21 or so points in the blink of an eye.

00:12:58You've got to be able to have two or three drives consecutively where you score at least, like, 14 to 17.

00:13:04That kind of is our ceiling with Justin Fields, I feel like.

00:13:07You've got to be able to put that up in a quarter, a quarter and a half in this league to stay competitive.

00:13:13And, again, we're just not scoring enough points with Justin Fields.

00:13:17That's the issue.

00:13:19The wide receivers aren't there.

00:13:22Garrett's been hurt.

00:13:22But, you know, if you look at this year, you know, 14 points, 27 we had the week before.

00:13:29Then we had our big alpha, 39.

00:13:31But then look at these next games, 6 points, 11 points, 22 points, 21 points, 27 points.

00:13:40That included the 27 points against Tampa.

00:13:43That was the Will McDonald play, too.

00:13:45So, it's 20 points, really, by the offense.

00:13:4810 points, and then probably the best game they had, or the most impressive game offensively, was week one, where they put up 32 points.

00:13:56But the offense just doesn't have enough firepower.

00:14:01Now, the good, if I want to bring up something good, I do think Tanner Engstrand, with some weapons, I like what he dialed up tonight.

00:14:12And I know Ryan's going to laugh at me.

00:14:15People are going to laugh at me because I'm a big Tanner fanboy.

00:14:18But I think Tanner Engstrand dialed up some good stuff tonight.

00:14:22That deep ball to A.D. Mitchell's got to be caught.

00:14:25That trips route that A.D. Mitchell releases wide out on has got to be thrown better and has to be caught.

00:14:35This is just a patchwork operation that's going on here.

00:14:39I think the offensive coordinator has some idea about what he's doing.

00:14:44If you get him a better quarterback and weapons that can develop with a better quarterback and better weapons, too.

00:14:52We need better weapons.

00:14:53Listen, let's not kid ourselves.

00:14:55The Indianapolis Colts are trying to win a Super Bowl this year.

00:14:59They're not throwing A.D. Mitchell in a trade because they want to help the Jets out.

00:15:04Like, there's obviously, they know something.

00:15:07Hey, Will, what's up, brother?

00:15:11How we doing?

00:15:12Got him in the house.

00:15:13How we doing?

00:15:14Sorry, I was listening to Glenn's presser.

00:15:19What did he say?

00:15:21He said they didn't want to get fields get hit too much tonight.

00:15:25I'm like, oh, boy.

00:15:26Really?

00:15:28Well, he just said they don't want to turn him into a running back, which I get it.

00:15:31But he's kind of really only good at one thing.

00:15:35So, if he's not going to run or be an effective runner, then it's kind of hard to play him.

00:15:42Like, he – that turned – I mean, he wasn't good tonight.

00:15:45I don't – I know there's all the excuses made on the broadcast.

00:15:50And, yeah, Mitchell had two, you know, two he probably should have caught in the whole thing.

00:15:54Like, I get it.

00:15:55But he doesn't see the field.

00:15:57He turns the football over.

00:15:59Takes a lot of unnecessary sacks.

00:16:00He runs into the sack right at the end of the game there in third and two.

00:16:04Like, it's just hard to watch.

00:16:07And you can't really evaluate anybody else.

00:16:09Like, you just – you can't evaluate anything on this offense because it all has to be gadgety stuff to get him involved.

00:16:14And, you know, again, where they – they obviously are not anywhere near as talented as the Patriots are right now.

00:16:20And, like, that's fine.

00:16:21Right?

00:16:21You can deal with that.

00:16:23What I can't deal with is, like, they had every reason that – even average quarterback play tonight, that game ends 27-24 probably.

00:16:31And it's like, oh.

00:16:32For sure.

00:16:33He fought very well.

00:16:34And Garrett Wilson plays tonight.

00:16:35Imagine.

00:16:35Yeah, you feel –

00:16:36Having an average quarterback with Garrett Wilson.

00:16:37I mean, I didn't feel like New England tonight.

00:16:40I mean, I don't know what your take is.

00:16:41I'm not like – they were impressive in certain things.

00:16:45I thought Drake May was impressive in how patient he is and how smooth he is in the pocket.

00:16:50But as a whole, I'm not – this isn't like a team I'm looking at and saying, wow, you know, they blew the doors off us tonight.

00:16:58No, I'm not at all.

00:16:59I think he's – I think the Jets tonight kind of did a lot of what we hoped they would do.

00:17:05I think they fought.

00:17:06They played hard what they played hard.

00:17:07There was no, like, letdown off of the couple back-to-back wins.

00:17:10They, you know, had some nice moments.

00:17:14They were able to have that really nice drive early on.

00:17:16Engstrand was cooking up that first drive.

00:17:18I thought he was really good to open the second half as well.

00:17:21So, to me, like, you know, I think – you know, there were some nice things tonight.

00:17:27But you see the clear deficiencies.

00:17:29They're going to have to spend money in free agency on the defense.

00:17:31They're going to have to draft one, if not multiple, receivers.

00:17:34They're going to have to obviously figure out something else, a quarterback, and, you know,

00:17:38probably draft another one or two guys on defense, obviously.

00:17:41But, like, you know – like, the one thing I will say, Frankie, I don't know if you feel this way,

00:17:45but specifically last month where they've played much better, generally speaking, been in closer games.

00:17:53You know, again, Panthers and Patriots loss feel like quarterback – very quarterback-related.

00:17:57The other two, obviously, they win.

00:17:59And then the bye week, you can point to, like, the four or five areas where they need help badly.

00:18:04Like, they are not good enough at safety.

00:18:07They are not good enough at – you know, in the secondary, I guess, as a whole,

00:18:10they're not good enough right now.

00:18:12Brownlee was hilarious how they, you know –

00:18:16They picked on him a little bit.

00:18:18He can't play that outside corner, man.

00:18:20That's hilarious.

00:18:21He's trying to go with Carter and immediately Brownlee starts playing badly.

00:18:24Like, it was amazing when he was here and then they move him

00:18:26and then Brownlee turns back and up on him.

00:18:28But, no, look, you know, even defensive tackle, obviously, like,

00:18:32those guys are probably best suited as your second and third guys,

00:18:35not as your, you know, one and two.

00:18:38Doug McDonald kicked Will Campbell's ass tonight again,

00:18:41and it's just – he actually has been really impressive.

00:18:44It's just, unfortunately, with –

00:18:45Drake May is so smooth in the pocket.

00:18:47That feel on that – the last touchdown drive they have where he just, like –

00:18:52McDonald's going to, you know, almost kill him every single time.

00:18:55It's like he just has that night and made sense that –

00:18:57They totally do.

00:18:58They don't have, so.

00:19:00Unfortunate, obviously, but 13.5 points spread, Frankie, and they lose by 13.

00:19:06Oh, it went up to 13.5?

00:19:07I thought it was 12.5.

00:19:09They moved to 13.5 on a lot of books like an hour before kickoff.

00:19:12Oh, wow.

00:19:14Damn.

00:19:15All right, so people that bet on the Jets within the last couple hours,

00:19:18they won money.

00:19:19All right, all right.

00:19:19That makes me a little happy.

00:19:21I thought it got stuck at 12.5.

00:19:23Wow, incredible.

00:19:24Yeah, of course, Vegas knows.

00:19:25Vegas knows.

00:19:26I was saying that before, Will.

00:19:28I'm like, this is kind of a Vegas game.

00:19:31Like, what Vegas told us was going to happen is –

00:19:33It was like a chalk game.

00:19:34Like, nothing special happened one way or the other.

00:19:37That was nice.

00:19:39That was nice to see Mechie.

00:19:40Mechie had a couple nice plays tonight.

00:19:41No, Mechie played well tonight.

00:19:43He's a good player.

00:19:45Yeah.

00:19:45And maybe Mitchell, man, I know this was a classic A.D. Mitchell experience, right?

00:19:49Like, you're going to get – you got all of it in one – you know,

00:19:53he had the big third down conversion early in the game.

00:19:56That dude's always open.

00:19:57He's going to separate.

00:19:58He's always going to be in the right spot.

00:20:00But, like, one game – like, next week he'll have five for 125.

00:20:05We'll all get excited.

00:20:06Then the week after he's going to have what he did tonight

00:20:08where it's like a couple of drops, you know, et cetera.

00:20:10So, yeah, man, it's just one of those games where, like,

00:20:15they're a team that's in transition.

00:20:17It's a lot of young guys fighting for roster spots.

00:20:19And that's why some drives are going to look really good

00:20:21and other drives are going to look like a JV team.

00:20:23That's just unfortunately the way it looks, you know, at this point.

00:20:26Yeah, totally.

00:20:27Let me make a special announcement.

00:20:29We have one of my favorite people in the NFL world.

00:20:34I had her on a Twitter space a few times.

00:20:36I met her in person, actually, at the NFL Combine.

00:20:39I don't know if she remembers me.

00:20:40I actually met her initially at – Antoine Walker did a screening in Tribeca.

00:20:47I went with Nick.

00:20:47We met her.

00:20:48But we have NFL senior insider – I don't know if I say senior,

00:20:53but NFL insider – Josina Anderson in the house.

00:20:59Joe, what is your take on tonight's game?

00:21:03It was a little flat, right?

00:21:04Nothing too exciting, I'd say.

00:21:09Audio.

00:21:10Check.

00:21:14I don't know.

00:21:15Josina, do you hear us?

00:21:18Okay.

00:21:19We'll come back.

00:21:19We'll circle back.

00:21:21But, yeah, Will, listen, man.

00:21:24At the end of the day, I just don't understand the logic behind forcing Justin Fields every week.

00:21:35I mean, he didn't play that bad tonight.

00:21:37Listen, the 67 yards on the ground –

00:21:41He is who he is.

00:21:42Yeah, exactly.

00:21:42Like, it's just – I don't – I guess the question for you and Josina, if you're in, pop in.

00:21:49I don't understand what kind of offense Josina needs to – excuse me, Justin Fields needs to run to be successful in this league.

00:21:59I just don't know if it needs – like, I was saying run a Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens.

00:22:05Early on, I was a Lamar.

00:22:06Yeah.

00:22:08Yeah, I don't – the problem is right now, it's like I don't really know the answer because in a lot of ways, like, they're running what should work for him.

00:22:16Like, early on was what they – you know, what you were doing where, you know, you got him doing some read-ops and stuff.

00:22:23You got him on the move a little bit.

00:22:24You tried to create, you know, create some matchups for him.

00:22:28And he obviously was able to score the touchdown.

00:22:29But, Frankie, a couple of the issues here is, like, he doesn't want to get hit.

00:22:35And I don't blame him.

00:22:36And he's – we talked about this, I think, on Jake's show.

00:22:39Like, he's taken a ton of hits over the years, and I totally get it, right?

00:22:42Yeah.

00:22:42But, like, if you know – like, I'm not trying to be that guy.

00:22:46But, like, you look – even when he runs the football, he's trying to get down and get out of bounds as quickly as possible.

00:22:51Which means you're passing up yards, unfortunately.

00:22:53And he's just – he's a guy who, unless someone's wide open that first read, he's just simply not going to make a throw.

00:23:01It's unfortunate.

00:23:02But, you know, it's just kind of the reality of who he is at this point.

00:23:06And my only issue is, like, if Tyrod's not healthy to play or you don't trust him to stay healthy,

00:23:14then you need to figure out something else as your backup option.

00:23:17And if Tyrod is healthy enough to play, Justin at this point can't – he doesn't have the –

00:23:22like, you don't need to just hang on to that.

00:23:24It's not your homegrown draft pick where, like, you don't want to crush his confidence.

00:23:28You know, Justin should be able to kind of sit there – and I'm not trying to be a dick here –

00:23:32but, like, he should be able to be someone that can handle, like, hey, Tyrod's going to finish the second half here.

00:23:37Like, we're right in this ballgame.

00:23:38Like, dude, it's 14-7 and a half.

00:23:40Easy time.

00:23:41Similar to the Panthers game where it's like, hey, you're not the only problem here.

00:23:44But we're looking for a little bit of a spark.

00:23:46New England was getting zero pass rush.

00:23:48Guys were open.

00:23:49I just felt – and the running game, like, was doing enough.

00:23:52I just felt that was a nice chance to be like, hey, we're going to go to Tyrod here.

00:23:55Let him finish it out.

00:23:56We can go back to Justin next week if we want to.

00:23:59But for right now – yeah, I'm just not really sure.

00:24:02I guess they wonder if they don't think Tyrod could stay healthy,

00:24:05and that's why they don't want to have to just go right back to fields.

00:24:07I'm not entirely sure.

00:24:09But, yeah, it's – I feel like there was a shot tonight to, like, maybe get a spark at 14-7.

00:24:14He got a stop right out of the half.

00:24:16That was awesome to see.

00:24:17And it was like, man, if, you know, Engstrand looked like he had something cooking, you know, kind of scripted,

00:24:22it would have been nice to kind of see what it would have looked like with Tyrod.

00:24:26I don't know.

00:24:26Maybe he hits Mechie on one of those goal balls later in the game because it felt like –

00:24:30I mean, Mitchell hits Mechie a couple times on crossers or, you know, I don't know.

00:24:35It just felt like there was a little bit, you know, a little bit out there.

00:24:38Yeah, I agree, man.

00:24:39I agree.

00:24:40I don't – it's just – I think this team needed to come into the year.

00:24:46I wish we had another, you know, option at quarterback that at least we can look at and say,

00:24:52oh, this person could be our backup in, you know, 2026 that we feel comfortable with

00:24:57or someone that maybe has a little bit of upside.

00:24:59I think you sort of, you know, you keep your options limited at the position

00:25:04when you're just tying yourself down to fields or Tyrod, obviously, as your backup.

00:25:09I think this is probably Tyrod's last year in the league.

00:25:11I was talking to some people.

00:25:12They don't think he'll be back necessarily.

00:25:15Maybe his last year.

00:25:17But, yeah.

00:25:18He had a one-year left on the deal.

00:25:20I mean, he's –

00:25:21That's what I'm saying.

00:25:22Like, he might –

00:25:23No, he definitely has.

00:25:25He definitely has.

00:25:27Yeah, we're trying to – we're having a little bit of technical difficulties with Josina.

00:25:31We might have another special guest coming on a little bit, Will,

00:25:34so if you're going to stick around.

00:25:35But, Will, what do you –

00:25:38This defense tonight, I mean, this Wilkes game plan, let's go through it a little bit.

00:25:42So, he played a lot of man in that first half, right?

00:25:46He loves himself some man.

00:25:48Loves a token blitz on third down five.

00:25:51Loves it.

00:25:52Loves it.

00:25:53It's his dream come true.

00:25:55It's his lucky charm.

00:25:57But he actually switched to a zone in the second half a bit more.

00:26:01They started playing a lot more zone.

00:26:04So, I'm kind of –

00:26:06I mean, listen, neither really worked necessarily.

00:26:09I know he's more of a man guy, and then he tried to play zone.

00:26:15What do you think about Wilkes in general?

00:26:17I mean, like, do you see any longevity with this guy here?

00:26:20Or you think this is like – this is kind of his one-and-done kind of –

00:26:24I mean, he might be back, but it feels like that's the obvious.

00:26:27Like, Banjo's been awesome.

00:26:28It feels like Gangstrand's gotten better each week.

00:26:30Like, I've been impressed.

00:26:31I know you have as well.

00:26:33And I frankly feel like Glenn has gotten better each week.

00:26:35Like, I don't – I don't – Glenn had these guys ready to play tonight.

00:26:38There was no, like, let off.

00:26:39And I don't think he was bad in terms of any, like –

00:26:43he pushed the right buttons when to go for it, when not to go for it,

00:26:45I felt like.

00:26:46I think there was, like – even early in the game, there was a third down.

00:26:49It felt like he would have gone for it on fourth down early in that game.

00:26:53So, I didn't see anything from a Glenn tonight that was not enough or anybody else.

00:26:57I just felt like it was – it was the – like, Wilkes is just very predictable

00:27:02with his play calling, generally speaking.

00:27:04And there was too many coverage busts tonight.

00:27:07There weren't, you know, a lot of penalties, a lot of grabbing.

00:27:10And then just, like, the Blitzes don't really ever get home.

00:27:12It feels like the times the Jets are really good on against, you know,

00:27:15pass rush-wise.

00:27:16It's McDonald or, you know, right now McDonald or Jermaine just beat their guy

00:27:21one-on-one.

00:27:21And that's, you know, how they're able to kind of get pressure.

00:27:25And the times they got pressure tonight, that's what it was.

00:27:27It wasn't necessarily, you know, sending five, sending six.

00:27:30It always feels like it's just, like, the most predictable, you know,

00:27:33kind of one guy – four guys and then one other guy is coming in there

00:27:36in man coverage of some sort.

00:27:38That's the only issue I have there with, you know, with Wilkes long-term.

00:27:43Absolutely.

00:27:44Absolutely.

00:27:46Yeah.

00:27:46Jocene, are you here?

00:27:48Can you hear us?

00:27:48If you're –

00:27:49I can hear you.

00:27:50There you are.

00:27:52Okay.

00:27:53Nice, nice.

00:27:54I was wondering.

00:27:56I'm like, you know, they're like, oh, she knows her mic's muted.

00:28:01Well, here's the thing.

00:28:01You got to tell me because – so, yeah, you can come in and then there's the

00:28:06option for the camera and the audio just like any other thing that you join.

00:28:11But I had to allow permissions in your settings first, so that's what it was.

00:28:17Yeah.

00:28:17But now I know.

00:28:18Oh, okay.

00:28:19That makes sense.

00:28:20I'm here.

00:28:22I'm here.

00:28:23So, Joe, what are your thoughts about tonight's game?

00:28:27Did anything stand out to you?

00:28:29We were talking about the game.

00:28:30We just – we said it was sort of just a chalk game.

00:28:33What we expected sort of happened, nothing special.

00:28:35But what did you take away from tonight's game in general?

00:28:37Well, I think the first thing that comes to my mind is I just – I would like to see Justin

00:28:44Fields process faster.

00:28:46I think that's just – from just looking at it, I don't get a chance to watch the Jets

00:28:51often.

00:28:51I've been covering, you know, other teams.

00:28:54So, I was kind of looking forward to just being able to sit down.

00:28:58They're the only team playing and really get a good ability to be able to digest them.

00:29:04And then just particularly in the second half when I was just watching, you know, and I'm

00:29:09going to get to the second part of what I'm about to say first.

00:29:11But beyond what I think about just the offense in general, there were opportunities that were

00:29:16there for him to, you know, use his legs, get out on the run, and then kind of see the play.

00:29:24Even if you're somebody that likes to see it unfold like a half a second more or what have you,

00:29:30you know, there's still ways for you to buy yourself more time by, you know, using your legs

00:29:36to still pass.

00:29:37And I just – and that doesn't mean I'm saying, you know, run the ball every time and put yourself

00:29:43at risk or, you know, just call your own number on the scramble or what have you.

00:29:49I just think that there were times there where even when the guys were covered, even with Garrett

00:29:53Wilson out, even with, you know, the receivers not being, you know, all A1 receivers out there,

00:29:59that he could have started that domino effect of maybe something positive happening just by

00:30:05reacting quicker, getting the ball out of his hands quicker, and also, you know, taking

00:30:11off outside of the pocket to buy yourself more time to then throw it.

00:30:15There were times when he did that, but there were a lot of times where it sat back to me

00:30:18and I was like, you know, he needs to process, you know, quicker.

00:30:21I think the other thing that comes to my mind is when you look at Drake May and the leap

00:30:28that he's made from the first year to the second year, and obviously the presence of Josh

00:30:33McDaniels, beyond the fact that I knew that Drake May had this ability, I'm not just saying

00:30:38that because I'm a Tar Heel and he's a Tar Heel.

00:30:40I mean, I interviewed the kid at the combine in Indianapolis, and, you know, I just feel

00:30:44like I just, I get a good sense of, you know, people and what have you, and this is things

00:30:49that I said last year, so I knew that he had that in him, but one thing that stood out

00:30:53to me was that he also has the benefit of having a very experienced offensive coordinator

00:30:58on the other side, whereas Justin Fields doesn't have that, so even like if he's not seeing

00:31:04something or he's in his head or what have you, not only is he missing the experience

00:31:10from offensive coordinator, but he's missing that relationship where somebody gets him to

00:31:16know how to turn his button so that he snaps out of whatever malaise or, you know, whatever

00:31:23it is to, you know, maybe get him to perform better, so there's something else I'm going

00:31:28to say really quickly, and it made me, that's what it made me think, I was like, man, I probably

00:31:32should write an article about this, but it made me think of the fact that, you know, and

00:31:35I'm not going to say who because I'm not going to start anything on, on, on, whatever, but

00:31:40it made me think of the fact that there was an offensive coordinator that was available

00:31:47to the Jets, you know, and conversations that I'm aware of that they did not go in that

00:31:52direction, and I just kept thinking, you know, in my really good time to consume them

00:31:57tonight, I was just like, probably could have used that, you see what I'm saying, especially

00:32:01when the Patriots have that advantage on the other side, you know what I mean, so.

00:32:05Just, just make sure that name isn't Clint Kubiak, because I think Will's going to fall out

00:32:10of his chair.

00:32:13Will's been talking about Clint Kubiak for two years.

00:32:16Oh, and you know, it's so funny that you bring up that name because somebody asked me,

00:32:22an executive from a team, I won't, I won't say where, but they, we were having a conversation

00:32:28about Shador Sanders, so they just said to me randomly, so they're like, you know, if

00:32:32it wasn't the Browns, you know, where would you put Shador, and I said, well, you know,

00:32:37last year I actually said that, you know, beyond the Giants that, you know, my number one team

00:32:43for him at the time was the Saints, and only because I felt like the step down in market would

00:32:48have benefited him just to be in a less bright scenario, but beyond, and then he was like,

00:32:54oh, you think Kellen Moore and Shador, and, okay, well, that, that's, that's a whole nother

00:32:58conversation, I won't get too far off track, but the point that I was going to make to get

00:33:01back to Clint was that, I said, but if it wasn't that now, I think that he could, you

00:33:07know, benefit from just being in the environment in Seattle, and, you know, I was like, if the

00:33:11Browns were going to do it, I would love for them to put him in Seattle, just because

00:33:15I think them being so far away from everyone's, like, you know, media attention as far as like,

00:33:21you know, big market media, and also, you know, I, I just respect what Mike McDonald is

00:33:27doing up there, they've got Leslie Frazier, obviously, Clint, and, you know, all those

00:33:30people, and, and, and, and they're doing great things up there, so, and, and then beyond just

00:33:37the quarterback whisperer in, in, in Minnesota, or what have you, but, but yeah, those are the

00:33:43things that stood out in my mind, and I'd like to see Justin process quicker, I, I wonder

00:33:47if they need to upgrade at OC, I heard what you were saying about Steve Wilkes, and, you

00:33:55know, listen, I, I've been covering the league, the NFL, for over 20 years, I've seen Steve,

00:34:00you know, have a defense together and get it clicking, and I just feel like everything just

00:34:06kind of seems a little off, you know, just off tilt, and, and, you know what, when you

00:34:12make a big change, that you, sometimes you have that kind of, you know, it's like when

00:34:16you first do something, they call it beginner's luck, or if you make a big change, you kind

00:34:20of have that juju, everyone wants to prove, and they can do it without this, and da-da-da-da-da,

00:34:24and all this other stuff, so you ride off that energy, but eventually the water comes back

00:34:28to its mark, and I think that mark is just that the Jets are in transition.

00:34:32Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right, you're right, Josina. Well, you, you have anything you wanted

00:34:38to bring up? No, I just, you know, the fields, the fields processing thing is, it's just

00:34:41unfortunate, it's been a, you know, it's, it's been his biggest bug in the NFL outside of just

00:34:46like, you know, he's obviously not always been most advantageous situations, but, you know, a lot

00:34:51of, a lot of time, it's like, if he doesn't see it open, he's a guy who needs to see it open

00:34:55right away for him to make a decision to throw it, and like, in this league, it's just not,

00:35:00maybe sometimes you can scheme enough up open early on in scripts and different things like

00:35:05that, but nuts come to bolts, and like, sometimes you got to like, throw somebody open, sometimes

00:35:10you got to take a shot when somebody's one-on-one, and like, you know, I know the broadcast was

00:35:14blaming A.D. Mitchell on the goal ball at the end of the game, it's like, I mean, he threw

00:35:19the ball off Christian Gonzalez's ass, like, I don't know what you want the receiver to do

00:35:22there, and, you know, the Jets have tried to give him as much confidence as possible, I'm

00:35:26not saying that, like, it's the most ideal situation, but like, A.G.'s gone to bat for

00:35:31him publicly, like, as much as you can possibly go to bat for somebody that's had four or five

00:35:36games under 60 yards, right, like, you know, he's done some nice things, he's had moments,

00:35:41he had moments tonight where he had some, you know, the off-schedule play to match, he's

00:35:45obviously a nice play, like, you know, he had the first touchdown drive where he's just a

00:35:48better athlete than Harold Landry is at this point in his career, and he's able to beat him

00:35:53to the pylon, that's awesome, but, you know, it's the stuff that the consistency is just

00:35:57not, unfortunately, there, and I don't disagree with, the only thing, the reason with Wilkes,

00:36:01I'm, I guess I'm a little bit harder on him than maybe I even need to be, the talent 100%,

00:36:07like, look, they just traded two all-pro players, like, your defense is going to take a hit for

00:36:11sure, and Drake Mays playing at an unbelievably high level, I just feel like sometimes this stuff,

00:36:16it's like, it just has become a little predictable with his play calling, like, drive over

00:36:21drive, like, this year, it feels like they're very predictable, they're going to go to man

00:36:25on third down, they're going to blitz, you know, they're going to blitz Quincy, they're

00:36:28going to blitz one of the safeties and roll down when they're in nickel, like, it's not

00:36:32that he's, he still has, like, these moments where he's put together really nice game plans,

00:36:36like, you think back to that Panthers game, the Broncos game, like, Wilkes' game plan was

00:36:40perfect, he had Bo Nix and Bryce Young playing very shaky football, so, like, he still

00:36:44has it in there, it's just, I do wonder, like, long-term, maybe next year, the year

00:36:50following, like, is he a long, is he a long-term solution at DC, or is he kind of, hey, get

00:36:56AG, like, have somebody in the building that has been a head coach in this league, can call

00:37:00his own plays, I don't have to babysit him, and stuff like that, especially with a young

00:37:03offensive coordinator, and young special teams coach, I'll just, I'd be curious to see what

00:37:07that looks like next year, but for the rest of the year, it's going to be, seeing what

00:37:12you have in guys like Mitchell, and Mechie, and, you know, Mason Taylor, and Rucker, and

00:37:16these guys on offense, and who's going to be here next year, who's not, and then

00:37:18on defense, it's the same kind of concept of, like, you know, what's Malachi Moore look

00:37:23like in a full-time role, what's, you know, you hope Zari Thomas can get healthy from the

00:37:27concussion, what's he going to look like the remaining six, seven weeks of just getting

00:37:30some good experience, like, to me, it's play the young guys as much as you can, and see

00:37:35who's a part of your future, and who's not, and you'll use the million draft picks, and,

00:37:39you know, gazillion dollars of cap space when we get there, but for right now, it's like,

00:37:44just see what you have in these young guys, I just, as much as Mitchell had a rough

00:37:48night, I'd much rather see that than, at this point, like, running out Alan Lazard

00:37:52every day, like, I just think that's at least beneficial, like, hey, maybe Mitchell figures

00:37:56it out, and maybe he doesn't, but, like, I'd rather take a shot on a 22-year-old that

00:38:00has talent, and under cost control for a couple years, than, you know, some of these vets that

00:38:05just likely won't be here next year.

00:38:07Well, let me ask you guys a question really quick.

00:38:09Will, you brought this up, so you think that throw Fields had to A.D. Mitchell on that

00:38:14time?

00:38:14The first one or the second one?

00:38:16First one.

00:38:17Do you think that's, like, first one should have been caught?

00:38:20I've heard people say, listen, I thought for Justin Fields, that's a great throw, right?

00:38:27Yeah, it should have been caught, but he had him beat by enough that you feel like you'd

00:38:30love to see him push the ball out in front of him a little bit, and kind of get him in

00:38:34stride, but at the same time, to be fair, Mitchell should catch that football.

00:38:38It's a really difficult catch over the shoulder, like, that's, you know, as hard as a catch

00:38:42as it is in the NFL, and, you know, and stuff like that, but it's one of those things where

00:38:46it's like, you just would have loved, that one maybe you give Mitchell a little bit more

00:38:50of a hard time, you're like, hey man, like, you had, you know, you beat one of the best

00:38:53corners in the NFL in a double move, you got by him, you did everything right, you got

00:38:57to finish that play.

00:38:58Like, the second one that Fields was rolling out, and that's, we called her down, man

00:39:03leader, they had a pick play set up, it worked perfectly, Mitchell, if you put him on him

00:39:07there, he might still be running, so the last couple ones where I felt like, and then Mitchell

00:39:11dropped the one on a dig route later on, and then Fields missed him again, it was like,

00:39:16they could not get on the same page tonight.

00:39:18Both guys share the blame, but that's what happens, we don't have practice time with a

00:39:22guy, and then both guys are inconsistent right now, they're young players with talent,

00:39:25but, you know, Mitchell's got all his talent in the world, he can't, he doesn't seem to

00:39:29be able to put it together for four quarters, and, you know, Fields, it's drive by drive,

00:39:33you really have no idea which guy you're getting, in my opinion.

00:39:35Yeah.

00:39:36I would say, I would say also that, I mean, when that play happened with the low snap, you

00:39:46know, and, you know, he wasn't able to get his body over the ball, because his mind was

00:39:52already committed to what he was going to do as the play happened, and, you know, I kind of could,

00:39:57you know, feel that as I was watching the replay, but I just feel like I could, you know, he did a

00:40:03good job, and that is his job staying, you know, professional, you know, coming back in, I was

00:40:08watching his body language as he was leading the huddle before they went into it, so, you know,

00:40:15I felt like, okay, you know, he's mentally trying to recover, but at the same time, you

00:40:20know, I could just feel his dejection a little bit, and so this is why I'm always speaking

00:40:27just about energy, and, you know, as much as the Jets were, you know, felt the role of

00:40:34being, you know, on a two-game winning streak or what have you, when your organization that

00:40:40is trying to build a culture, and you're so used to bad things happening and lamenting

00:40:45that, and it's on sports radio, it's all, you know, it's on the podcast, it's in the

00:40:49fan base or what have you, it is so hard to overcome that and really build, you know, bricks

00:40:55over bricks, and this is what, you know, really separates the elites, you know, as athletes

00:41:02from, you know, people who are good enough to just be in the league, which is mental

00:41:09mental fortitude, it's, you know, Michael Jordan, it's Kobe Bryant, you know, even if

00:41:14they're down 50 points, still playing you, you know, with that laser in their eye, like

00:41:20they have the same energy, like they're down by one, and you still have to exude that,

00:41:25you still have to have that aura, you still have to have that swag, even when things are

00:41:29not going your way, so as I was listening to you talk about Steve, and you're talking

00:41:35about the predictability, one of the things that I'm seeing out there,

00:41:39because I'm not always like, you know, just, I'm not just looking at the X's and O

00:41:42aspect of it, but I'm just looking at just kind of the collective energy, the

00:41:46believability, you know, just the confidence, that factor that they're exuding or not

00:41:51exuding, and those are the things that, you know, one, take time to build, but also

00:41:56two, to some degree, you either have it or you don't, you know, and so I think that's

00:42:04just what I see missing, you know, with the Jets.

00:42:06I feel like, you know, they have to make a decision what they want to do, you know, moving

00:42:12forward, you know, at quarterback, but also I think that, you know, when we're talking

00:42:19about Justin and just the processing speed, you know, part of that too is, I think, on

00:42:25the coordinator, at least for me, because I just feel like, you know, when I think of the

00:42:33conversations Drake May is having with Josh McDaniels right now during the game in meetings

00:42:38and practice or what have you, I'm not sure that, you know, that's what's happening, you

00:42:44know, to the, obviously he doesn't have the same experience, so I just think that, I guess

00:42:51what I really want to make sure that I'm highlighting is that I'm not saying that I don't think that

00:42:55Justin has the capability to do it.

00:42:59I think that he could benefit from someone helping him to get there.

00:43:05He has the base traits, right?

00:43:09And maybe it's not as, you know, automatic as somebody else, but for sure, the OC that's

00:43:17there right now is not the turnkey to make it from base to the level that it needs to go

00:43:22to.

00:43:22Does that make sense?

00:43:23Totally.

00:43:24Yeah, no, Jocena, it does.

00:43:26That's an interesting analysis there.

00:43:27I love, yeah, I love Tanner Angstrand and his potential.

00:43:32I like his, the way he thinks about the game, the way he puts together some of these passing

00:43:37concepts reminds me a little bit of what they were doing in Detroit, but I see exactly where

00:43:42you're coming from that.

00:43:43Justin Fields probably would have benefited from a veteran OC, not someone that's doing it

00:43:47for the first time.

00:43:48But Jocena, do you think this is, if you had to say like, and will to jump in, is the,

00:43:54do you think this is Justin's last stand getting an opportunity to start with a team?

00:43:58Because I think that's putting a lot of pressure on his shoulders.

00:44:02People are bringing up the fact that he had a concussion earlier in the year and he had

00:44:06that leg contusion, which might be why he seems a little bit more tentative out there.

00:44:11Even when he's running, they were showing clips of him last time he played in New England.

00:44:16And he looks, he looked a lot more assertive and physical and he was imposing his athleticism

00:44:24on that defense.

00:44:25I didn't really get that today when I felt we could have gotten some more of that today.

00:44:30Joe, what do you think?

00:44:31Do you think, I mean, is that pressure looming on him?

00:44:34Is this the last stand?

00:44:35What do you think is going to happen with him?

00:44:37Yeah.

00:44:38I always talk about things through a football lens and also a spiritual lens.

00:44:43First of all, we never know when is someone's last stand because they never want to put

00:44:47a cap on anyone's potential or path that they may or may not have.

00:44:51I mean, just look down the road at Jameis Winston, you know, circumstances can, you know,

00:44:55come together to then put you right back in there.

00:44:58And, you know, even just to speak to that for a quick second, you know, Jameis has handled

00:45:02everything the right way.

00:45:04A lot of other people would have handled that in a lot of different ways that Jameis did

00:45:08not.

00:45:08And look how things kind of came together and knitted that together for him to now have

00:45:13this opportunity this week.

00:45:14And so even if, you know, the narrative kind of accumulates on Justin and people kind of,

00:45:21because that's what people do.

00:45:23That's human nature.

00:45:23People want to box you in.

00:45:25They want to categorize you.

00:45:26They want to put you off to the side and say you're this or you're not that.

00:45:30And the truth of the matter is I don't really believe that about anybody.

00:45:33That's just my, you know, personal, you know, philosophy.

00:45:36So even if that happens for a time, it doesn't mean it has to happen forever.

00:45:41What it's going to take is, you know, what does he, you know, believe in himself in terms

00:45:48of his ability to recognize what his weaknesses are, what he can get better at, right?

00:45:55Just like any of us.

00:45:56And what work are you willing to put in?

00:45:59How willing are you to stay positive when things are adverse, not going your way, when

00:46:04it could take a time, you know, it could take forever.

00:46:07You know what I mean?

00:46:08I remember when I went for years between one job, you know, to the next, or, you know,

00:46:13I was in Denver six years, never thought I was going to be there six years.

00:46:16So what I'm saying is, you know, those of us who prevail are those who are willing to

00:46:21outlast and outstay, even when it looks like it never will be your day again.

00:46:26So I'm never going to say he doesn't have the ability.

00:46:28That comes down to him and, you know, what he believes in himself.

00:46:33And then, and then circumstances coming together so that that can happen.

00:46:36Um, I know that Justin is also a very, uh, religious person.

00:46:40I know in the off season, he was in, um, the Houston area doing, uh, um, this conference

00:46:46is Christian conference at a bunch of athletes or a number of athletes, I should say showed

00:46:50up too.

00:46:51So I know that he, uh, has that wherewithal, um, but what, well, whether it will come together

00:46:58for him with the jets, how long that will take, is he willing to do that?

00:47:01You know, only he can answer, but I do think that he has the base skill.

00:47:05Um, to stack, I don't think that he has the, you know, the combination that's going to

00:47:10accelerate that happening, um, right now with the jets.

00:47:15So I guess that's kind of just how I feel about that.

00:47:18And I would like to see, um, you know, more of, you know, the players, when things are not

00:47:26kind of going their way, just kind of still staying, uh, lit, I don't, for, for lack of

00:47:33a better word, you know, even if I'm getting beat, you know, in a 400 at Chapel Hill, way

00:47:38back in my day.

00:47:39And I, if I come across the finish line in fourth, I'm still talking to LSU.

00:47:44I'm still talking to all those girls when I come across the finish line, like, yeah,

00:47:47you got me today, but you know what I'm saying?

00:47:50You have to have that about you.

00:47:52So, yeah, no, I, no, I agree.

00:47:55I thought fields today, uh, somebody, I think Jake had brought this analogy up on his show

00:48:01about, um, some days either has it, he's like a starting pitcher.

00:48:05He's either got it in the first inning or, you know, he, he, he, he don't have it upstairs,

00:48:10but, uh, Joe, before we let you go, anything you want to plug and, uh, before you head out,

00:48:14you have to tell us, uh, Ryan's going to kill me today, by the way, because I'm supposed

00:48:17to be doing a post game show about the game.

00:48:20And I'm like, you know what, Ryan, you're on KK.

00:48:22I'm going to kind of run this.

00:48:25Go, um, anything you're working on interesting and, uh, give us your jets quarterback starter

00:48:33for 2026 before you head out.

00:48:35Well, three things I'll say.

00:48:37Number one, uh, even when the passes are getting dropped, you know, Justin has to carry on

00:48:42like the past didn't get dropped.

00:48:44Okay.

00:48:44So mentally you just got to stay up.

00:48:46Your players are looking at you and your energy.

00:48:48That's one last thing I wanted to say.

00:48:50Secondly, as far as what I wanted to plug, I have my own show called the exhibit.

00:48:54You know, I do it when I want to kind of happens when you're 23, 25 years in your career.

00:48:59I don't, I don't pressure myself to do, I just do it when I want.

00:49:02So you just have to wait when I drop something and drop something.

00:49:04Uh, but, uh, the website is the exhibit, uh, newsnetwork.com.

00:49:09Uh, I dropped things on Twitter building up the YouTube.

00:49:12So there you go.

00:49:13Exhibit news network.

00:49:14Um, and then lastly, I would say as a teaser, um, at least within two or three weeks, I will

00:49:21have an interview that I do think, uh, Jets fans will also be interested to hear.

00:49:26Uh, there's a couple of times where I thought I was going to do it last week and what have

00:49:29you, but we're definitely going to get it done, um, in the next, uh, week or two.

00:49:35And, uh, so look out for that when it drops, I won't tell you who, but I will say you will

00:49:39want to hear.

00:49:41Well, I hope it's with our owner because I think we all have some questions for Mr.

00:49:46Woody Johnson.

00:49:47I don't think Woody would sit down with me, but, uh, you know, that that's okay.

00:49:52That's all right.

00:49:52That makes two of us.

00:49:54That makes three of us.

00:49:55I think that makes like a million of us, you know, in the media, but, um, all right,

00:49:59Joe, thank you very much.

00:50:00Uh, love you.

00:50:02You always support, you always supported us from day one.

00:50:05She came into spaces when you stadium first started.

00:50:07Um, we always got along and I always love her insight and, uh, her breaking news is always,

00:50:12it's always a pleasure.

00:50:13So Joe, thanks so much.

00:50:15I'll be in contact.

00:50:16Have a, have a great weekend.

00:50:18Have a great show.

00:50:20Appreciate it.

00:50:21All right.

00:50:21Bye.

00:50:22Bye.

00:50:23Um, all right, well kind of circling back to the game a little bit, and then we're going

00:50:26to be joined momentarily by, uh, by friend of, of you stadium.

00:50:32Um, Jeremy Fowler is going to join us kind of, um, talk about this game a bit.

00:50:38I have some questions for him about where this jets teams at again, Ryan's going to kill

00:50:43me because this is veering from a post game show, but Hey, you know, uh, I'm hosting today,

00:50:49right?

00:50:50So, uh, you know, deal with it, pal.

00:50:51Um, but yeah, um, well getting back into this game, um, you know, I'll say this.

00:50:58All right.

00:50:58The jets played hard tonight and I, and I think say what you want about Aaron Glenn and I've

00:51:05been somebody that has, uh, been the biggest critic of Glenn.

00:51:09I, I, I've been on the train earlier on this year of, of when's this guy going to get the

00:51:13hell going to be out of here.

00:51:14Um, and listen, the team plays hard for him.

00:51:18His messaging seems to be sticking to, does that mean he's the answer here?

00:51:23Um, is he the solution to all of our problems?

00:51:26No, but I think you can't doubt that these guys play hard and they're not quitting today.

00:51:33Tonight was a factor of just a more talented team beating us.

00:51:39And that was it.

00:51:40It was, it is what it is.

00:51:43No one really expected the jets to win tonight and they, they lost basic, the exact score

00:51:48that Vegas predicted.

00:51:49So, um, again, what do you think?

00:51:52I mean, like there is something to be said about give him a chance and, uh, he's going

00:52:00to be here anyway.

00:52:01And I, I, I like the offensive coordinator.

00:52:04I do disagree with Josina on that point.

00:52:07I agree with her in regards to what Justin Fields needed, but I'm not putting together

00:52:13a team around Justin Fields anyway.

00:52:16So like, uh, you know, this isn't the Justin Fields show.

00:52:20This is the Aaron Glennon and Tanner Engstrand show for the most part.

00:52:25So I don't know what your thoughts are there.

00:52:26I'll finish.

00:52:27I'll finish my, uh, my appearance here with this.

00:52:30I feel like it's hard to be, look, they're two and eight.

00:52:34So people are going to bash Glennon and I get it.

00:52:36And he brings a lot of this on himself because of the approach he's taken essentially with

00:52:40like, I'll take the shots.

00:52:42Cause the players, they have a talent issue.

00:52:44Like that, that's the end of the day.

00:52:46That's the biggest thing here.

00:52:48And I think, you know, again, I, I don't think Wilkes is the long-term answer at DC.

00:52:54I think Engstrand has gotten much better and will continue to get better.

00:52:58Um, I think Banjo has been good and I think Glenn's gotten better.

00:53:01They don't have a quarterback.

00:53:02They probably have the worst quarterback right now, week over a week in the league.

00:53:07Um, I mean, today was like a, it was breaking news.

00:53:09He threw for a hundred yards.

00:53:10You know, it's not like he, you know, this is, this is elementary stuff.

00:53:16And then, you know, defensively that, you know, they've traded, they had, they probably

00:53:20weren't as talented as we thought.

00:53:21I thought specifically they were going to be going into the year.

00:53:24They're missing Garrett.

00:53:25Uh, and then on defense, they traded Clinton and sauce and, you know, Sherwood's not been

00:53:31as good.

00:53:32Although at the whole year, he's him and Quincy have been better.

00:53:35Um, you know, as Quincy was really good the last two weeks, but like his RAs out, they're

00:53:40down to third string corners.

00:53:41A lot of Isaiah Oliver getting a lot of Tony Adams, a lot of Michael Clemens reps.

00:53:48Tyler Barron was playing a bunch tonight.

00:53:50So like Tyler Barron sighting though.

00:53:52That was a nice.

00:53:52Yeah, he did.

00:53:53He gave a TFL.

00:53:54So, you know, I'll give him credit for that.

00:53:55Um, not worth the fifth round pick in 2020, regardless.

00:53:59Um, no, look, I just think, I think there's a clear talent issue and I think it's really

00:54:04difficult to evaluate the staff as a whole right now, where there's just there, the issues

00:54:09of like where the talent isn't, is it such crucial spots that it's, it's just, it's hard.

00:54:14Like you're not going to beat New England on the road right now, the way they're playing

00:54:18with an MVP favorite quarterback when you're fumbling the ball or when you're not making open

00:54:24catches, when there's guys open, you're not throwing it.

00:54:27Um, you know, I just, again, I just, I'm not saying like Glenn's a hundred percent the guy,

00:54:33but I, I'm not as add on Glenn is like, I feel like some people are because I just,

00:54:38I do feel like they do fight for him.

00:54:40Um, they do play really hard.

00:54:42And I think he's gotten better with some of the in-game management stuff where I have

00:54:46hoped that theoretically speaking, he did maybe nail the OC higher.

00:54:50He did my nail, the special teams higher.

00:54:52Like if he can, if, you know, if they get rid of Wilks, whether it's Glenn calling the

00:54:57plays or I don't know, Jonathan Gannon gets fired in Arizona.

00:55:00Like I, I'd take Jonathan Gannon here in a heartbeat, right?

00:55:04Like his DC or I don't know, Schwartz gets fired.

00:55:07Like a veteran guy who just is kind of a madman, a little bit of an asshole, um, you know,

00:55:13on the defensive side, like there's, there'll be names.

00:55:16You can fix the defense in one off season.

00:55:18Um, the offense to me is actually way more fixable right now because I just feel like

00:55:24it's so glaring what they need.

00:55:26Um, and I feel like if Angstrang could get his hands on somebody that can complete middle

00:55:30of the field throws with timing and rhythm, like he's going to be in a good spot.

00:55:34Like I just, I don't know.

00:55:36So I guess I'll, I'll leave with that where like they got out talented tonight.

00:55:40Like, I don't think they got out coached.

00:55:41I think they got out talented, you know, point blank period.

00:55:44Yeah.

00:55:45Yeah.

00:55:45That's simplest way to put it.

00:55:46Well, my man, appreciate you brother.

00:55:48Thanks for, uh, thanks for having me as always.

00:55:51Of course.

00:55:52If, uh, if you guys don't follow, well, I don't know what you're doing in jets land.

00:55:54Turn on the jets.

00:55:55You guys are killing it, but I saw 5,000 subs today.

00:55:58Yeah.

00:55:58You guys bringing it.

00:55:59You guys bringing in that cash, man.

00:56:01I was doing the math.

00:56:01I'm like 5,000 subs, 15 bucks a month.

00:56:04It's moving.

00:56:05It's moving, you know, it's moving in the right direction.

00:56:08And now I know why you're able to travel all the time.

00:56:10Makes sense.

00:56:11Makes sense.

00:56:11I appreciate it.

00:56:13Congrats.

00:56:14No, seriously.

00:56:14You guys, I tell you when you guys work your, your tails off and, uh, you guys have been

00:56:18doing this for a bit like we have, um, and you guys deserve everything you guys are getting.

00:56:23So I appreciate it.

00:56:24Of course.

00:56:24We'll, we'll, we'll catch up soon.

00:56:26Whenever my man.

00:56:27Yep.

00:56:27All right.

00:56:28That is will pop from turn on the jets.

00:56:31Um, we'll do some great stuff.

00:56:33He's, he's constantly out there and makes content continuously kind of circling back to this

00:56:37game.

00:56:38We'll have Jeremy on.

00:56:39We'll do a quick recap of the game.

00:56:41I'll get Jeremy's thoughts.

00:56:42We'll get some tidbits about what, what, because Jeremy recently came out with an article,

00:56:46um, at ESPN, you know, he's our senior NFL insider regarding breeze hall, Tyler Linderbaum.

00:56:53He spoke a little bit about, uh, Daniel Jones.

00:56:56Again, Ryan's going to kill me for doing this, but you know, Ryan, I'm hosting right now.

00:57:00My man.

00:57:00So, uh, enjoy your break.

00:57:02Um, I miss Ryan though.

00:57:03It's always great doing post games with Ryan.

00:57:05And we give flowers, we have some laughs, we tell some corny jokes.

00:57:09I'm not able to do that, you know, by myself, but, um, kind of recapping a little bit.

00:57:14Listen, the jets today, by the way, if you look at the play chart, um, we ran almost an

00:57:20equal amount of plays to new England.

00:57:21Um, they just had almost a hundred more yards.

00:57:24Um, we had almost the same amount of drives as new England.

00:57:27They scored a few more touchdowns.

00:57:31So that's the difference between the jets and the new England Patriots.

00:57:34And I think the biggest difference in that is new England has Drake may and new England

00:57:39got a receiver like Stefan digs in free agency of which they spent a lot of money in free

00:57:44agency.

00:57:44New England.

00:57:45I thought they may have overspent, but you saw the culmination of that today.

00:57:49New England now is on an eight game winning streak.

00:57:51They're nine and two in the AFC East.

00:57:53So, um, that's, that's, that's big, you know, he brought in Mike Vrabel who we spoke about

00:57:58in our preview show about what if Ryan does the, what if Mike Vrabel was our head coach

00:58:04and it makes you think, um, what if, but we're here now with Aaron Glenn.

00:58:10I think he's gotten better.

00:58:12Uh, I don't think it's good enough though.

00:58:15I, I, I think, you know, you, you, you go from where he was at, uh, the first seven games

00:58:21of the year when we were Owen seven and where we are now two and eight, um, I feel a little

00:58:25better about it, but I don't feel better about it necessarily.

00:58:30Um, where I'm, I'm okay with it.

00:58:32So, uh, I need to see a lot more from, um, I guess this team, but then there's a conversation

00:58:40about where you want to end the year, uh, where you want to draft, how you want to position

00:58:45this team moving forward.

00:58:46I do think they play hard though.

00:58:48And I think they've been playing hard for the most part.

00:58:51Like I was looking today at, you know, Quincy and some of the guys on defense.

00:58:56I'm like, you know, it's a shame that we've had some of these players that are able to

00:59:00make plays and we're never able to compliment that with an offense.

00:59:06It's able to put up points.

00:59:08And then when our offense does manage to put up points, once a blue moon, it seems like

00:59:12our defense sort of disappears on those nights, that's going to be something that Aaron Glenn

00:59:17and Steve Wilks and, and, uh, Tanner Angstrand have to figure out how to really put together

00:59:23complete game plans when it comes to how this year ends out.

00:59:26If you're looking towards, uh, you know, the future with, with at least one of those guys,

00:59:31if not, if not, you know, having Glenn and, and, and Angstrand as part of the plans for

00:59:352026, I'm not really sure, um, what their quarterback plan is going to be the rest of

00:59:42the year.

00:59:42I, I think, uh, I don't think fields played bad enough tonight where the tie rod truthers

00:59:49are going to come out and say, Hey, it's time to, uh, insert, uh, tie rod Taylor, but I would

00:59:55have liked to see a little bit more from fields.

00:59:57You heard will who played tight end in college, um, talk about how fields let some, you know,

01:00:06uh, balls get away from him today.

01:00:09Um, I thought that, listen, I I'm going to disagree with, with him on this, that ball to

01:00:1480 Mitchell, that first ball that was dropped or was dropped.

01:00:19Um, that was a great ball.

01:00:21Like, yeah.

01:00:22Do you want to put it a little bit more in front towards the middle of the field?

01:00:26Um, so you give your receiver more room probably, but like he's backing up in the pocket.

01:00:32He's feeling the pressure.

01:00:33He's just trying to get it there.

01:00:34He dropped it right in the bread basket there where the D back and Christian Gonzalez couldn't

01:00:39make a play.

01:00:40Um, I do agree though.

01:00:41The next, the, the next, you know, drop by 80 Mitchell, I don't think was a drop.

01:00:46Um, and they probably won't call that a drop was just badly placed.

01:00:51Um, he had another badly placed ball to 80 Mitchell, um, earlier a drive before.

01:00:56Before that on second and nine 80 Mitchell runs a hitch and the ball's sailing, man.

01:01:03Like I just, it's just inaccurate.

01:01:06And that's where Justin field struggles to be in a, an NFL quarterback.

01:01:10It's just, he's just inaccurate too often.

01:01:14That's it.

01:01:15He doesn't run enough anymore, or he doesn't want to, or the game plan's not there to make

01:01:20up for his inaccuracies.

01:01:22Um, he had one of his better games in the last month tonight, believe it or not, he really

01:01:28did.

01:01:29And that's not saying much, but that's sort of the reality we're living right now as

01:01:32Jeff fans.

01:01:33We're, we're watching this guy weekend and week out, try to be the 30th best quarterback

01:01:42in football, literally meaning startable.

01:01:45And he's not even able to, and I'm not trying to crap on the guy, but, um, he's not getting

01:01:52help with those weapons, but there's, there's nothing I'm looking at where I'm like, all right,

01:01:57where does this end like, or where does this go and more of the questions, when does this

01:02:02end, um, this, this experiment with, with Justin fields, just, it never made sense.

01:02:10It never made sense.

01:02:13You had an OC like Josina spoke about that's for a first time OC who is, who's used to calling

01:02:20plays for, or scripting plays up for Jared Goff.

01:02:23Could you get a more opposite quarterback than Justin fields?

01:02:27So I don't think the game plans make sense.

01:02:30I did think today when they did run the zone read a bit, it worked.

01:02:34And he actually on that touchdown run, which I should have freaking bad plus 1400 to the

01:02:40betters out there that cashed in on that first touchdown, but he actually should have gave the

01:02:45rock that DN that edge player, that edge was waiting for Justin fields to keep it fields is so

01:02:52athletic.

01:02:52Like he's able to hit the corner before the edge.

01:02:55Who's literally waiting for him to also go to the corner.

01:02:58That's how athletic Justin fields is.

01:03:01That should have been a give though.

01:03:02Not a take.

01:03:03He should have gave that.

01:03:05And then breeze could cut it.

01:03:06Could slash it right back.

01:03:07If he did give it, I don't think breeze would have gotten it though.

01:03:09I think, I think breeze was going to go with the head of steam and miss that cutback potentially.

01:03:13Um, but regardless he scored and that's what Justin fields can do, but that's where the

01:03:24fields conversation ends.

01:03:26I want a quarterback.

01:03:27This team needs a quarterback that in their sleep can go out there and throw for 270 yards.

01:03:32That's what we need, or at least 240 to 50.

01:03:39We're, we're, we're, we're, we're clapping our hands, putting our hands up in the air.

01:03:43Yeah.

01:03:43If this guy ends up with 140 yards, 150 yards for Justin fields seems like 300 yards for

01:03:50Patrick Mahomes for us.

01:03:52And we're, we're, you're sort of seeing this every week.

01:03:55We can't complete a ball over 10 yards.

01:03:57The air yardage today was, was, was so low in the first half, the most air yards on a

01:04:03ball was, was seven yards, you know, um, average.

01:04:07So, I mean, that's, that's in terms of completions, that's just not enough.

01:04:10It's not enough.

01:04:12Um, this team, um, just doesn't have enough right now, but, um, all right.

01:04:20So I believe we do have Jeremy Fowler, my man, Jeremy, what's up, my man?

01:04:30How you doing?

01:04:32Yeah, I can hear you perfectly fine.

01:04:34It's darker than I thought in here.

01:04:36So I just, Oh no, it's fine.

01:04:39It's fine.

01:04:40It's fine.

01:04:41Oh, okay.

01:04:41Got it.

01:04:42You don't have a, it looks like you have a flashlight on your head.

01:04:44Are you like, I'm kidding.

01:04:46I just turned the light on my car.

01:04:48Yeah.

01:04:48No, no, I'll keep it on.

01:04:51Keep it on.

01:04:52Yeah.

01:04:52I just, I just love the actions.

01:04:55So the Patriots are a happy team.

01:04:56I was in their locker room for most of the time.

01:04:58Hmm.

01:04:59So yeah.

01:05:00Fire away.

01:05:01Yeah.

01:05:01What was the vibe in that locker room?

01:05:03Like how was, was it flat or, or were they, were they excited?

01:05:06It seemed, it was a little flat, the game tonight, right?

01:05:08A little bit.

01:05:11A little bit, but you know, this is a team that's really confident and it's, it's different

01:05:16than the Bill Belichick days where everybody was kind of tight and on edge.

01:05:19You, you see kind of a looser environment with Mike Brable, uh, even though he at the

01:05:24podium is pretty measured, you know, he, he kind of called, uh, Drake May's performance

01:05:30fairly good.

01:05:31You know, he, like he won't, which is about right anyways, but he was responding to a

01:05:35question about the MVP chance, which, uh, are now in full effect.

01:05:40I mean, this guy is squarely in that mix and you know, he, he won't really go there.

01:05:44You know, he's still a little cautious with, with how he praises players.

01:05:46Like he was in Tennessee, but you can tell, you know, he knows what he's got and he made

01:05:52a comment that, you know, nobody, uh, or the only thing that will stop our offense is

01:05:56us, which is pretty telling, uh, it shows a guy has a lot of comp at 25 to 30 points

01:06:05in any setting.

01:06:09Yeah.

01:06:10And I was, I was telling someone this earlier, bringing in Mike Vrabel there.

01:06:14I mean, that guy's just made of confidence.

01:06:16They brought in confident players around Drake may will Campbell said it after the game.

01:06:22I'm reading this now.

01:06:23He goes, I'm biased, but he's the best player in the NFL.

01:06:26Um, so I think part of changing that culture was bringing in players like that, that are

01:06:32just supremely confident and it helps a quarterback that was questioned at times last year for

01:06:39his confidence.

01:06:39If we all remember how things change in a year, um, Jeremy, what's your take on this Jets

01:06:45team?

01:06:46I mean, do you think they're getting better?

01:06:48Uh, if you're me, right?

01:06:50Like, uh, Jets fan here trying to figure out what this Aaron Glenn, uh, thing is.

01:06:56Is, uh, are you there?

01:07:01Yeah.

01:07:01Jeremy, I don't know if you hear me.

01:07:02Are you there?

01:07:04About that.

01:07:05I got your back now.

01:07:06I lost you.

01:07:06Oh, no.

01:07:08Quick, quickly.

01:07:09You're talking about Vrabel.

01:07:10Yeah.

01:07:10I was saying with Vrabel, I just think he's, he's made of confidence.

01:07:13He's so supremely confident.

01:07:15And they brought in players like Will Campbell, who just referred to Drake May as the best

01:07:19player in football, uh, earlier that that team is just changing how they're doing business.

01:07:24And, um, it's just a confident bunch on the other side.

01:07:28Do you feel the Jets, are they getting better with Aaron Glenn?

01:07:31If you had to say like, are you noticing, what did you notice from the Jets tonight?

01:07:39You know, I do think Jeremy, hear me.

01:07:42It wasn't pretty tonight.

01:07:44Yeah, I got you.

01:07:46There are some slight improvements.

01:07:48I hate to take the optimist view because I know it's, it's ugly right now at two and

01:07:52eight.

01:07:52Um, it does seem like the defense has at least settled down a little bit.

01:07:56I know that the coverage was a little leaky there where guys were open, but, uh, they're

01:08:00at least competing on that side of the ball where before, at least early in the year, it

01:08:04looked like it was a bit of a mess.

01:08:06Um, I do think after the trades, the players responded the right way.

01:08:10I know Aaron Glenn told the team after they made the Gardner and Quinn and Williams trades

01:08:15that like with, with change comes opportunity for younger players to, to fill in.

01:08:20That was sort of his message.

01:08:21I taught a Jamie and Sherwood earlier this week about that a little bit.

01:08:25Uh, they got me on the phone with him for a couple of minutes and, you know, he mentioned

01:08:28that he thought guys responded well to that.

01:08:29And then winning was infectious a little bit going back to back.

01:08:33And, but, you know, you hit it with the passing game with fields.

01:08:36It's just, you can see it, you know, I was, I was at the pregame warmups.

01:08:41I was on the field watching and, you know, field sailed a couple of throws in warmups on

01:08:46air.

01:08:46You know, you just see some of those issues there and, uh, yeah, it's just tough when

01:08:53you, when you can't pass for more than 150 yards, you know?

01:08:56So I think at least Tyra Taylor would give them a chance to, you know, hit some of the

01:09:02basic plays, the routine passing plays that kind of should be layups that they're struggling

01:09:06with right now.

01:09:07Um, yeah, yeah.

01:09:09And when a coach sees that in an O and an OC sees him missing, like he missed that hitch

01:09:14with 80 Mitchell earlier in the game, they're going to call less passing plays.

01:09:19Like there's just, it's the confidence from the whole staff goes down and you really do

01:09:23yourself no favors.

01:09:24And then Jocene had brought up, which was a good point.

01:09:27He gets in his head a little bit and then he has that fumble and that's basically the

01:09:31game.

01:09:31Um, but Jeremy, let's go through this quick and then, uh, I'm going to wrap up here.

01:09:37Um, uh, the normal host of the show.

01:09:39So you're on with the New York post sports.

01:09:41Everyone like, uh, the stream.

01:09:42If you're out there, Jeremy Fowler, ESPN senior NFL insider, one of the, one of the goats

01:09:47in the biz.

01:09:49Um, Jeremy, you came out with, with, with an article.

01:09:51Let's get into it quickly.

01:09:53Brees hall.

01:09:55What are you thinking with Brees hall in the off season?

01:09:57You said something like he could sign a deal similar to Josh Jacobs rain.

01:10:02What do you, what are you feeling?

01:10:03What are you hearing?

01:10:05Yeah, that's the comp I got from a few teams actually is Josh Jacobs.

01:10:09So we've got four years, $48 million two years ago, roughly two years ago.

01:10:14So maybe that with inflation, like he, he's a legitimate back in free agency.

01:10:18You usually don't see that very often, you know, last year, those guys didn't get paid.

01:10:22I do think he will be in a good spot and do very well.

01:10:25Uh, you know, cause even a couple of years ago, he was one of the top backs rated in

01:10:30our top 10 series.

01:10:31You know, he just had a bad year last year.

01:10:33So now he's healthy playing better.

01:10:36Uh, you know, I know tonight there weren't any huge runs that could change the game, but

01:10:41he is a guy that is in our top 10 free agency radar.

01:10:47I think he's going to do really well.

01:10:48And so they got, they got some decisions to make for a team that's clearly in transition,

01:10:52but it has a lot of draft picks.

01:10:54You didn't trade Brees all the deadline.

01:10:56You had a chance to, cause you valued him at like a third round pick.

01:10:59So that tells me that they're at least either intrigued by paying them or they think he's

01:11:04going to get paid enough to where they'll get a good comp pick for him down the road.

01:11:07Yeah.

01:11:08I, I spoke with Ryan and, and, and cause, uh, Brian Costello on the New York post about,

01:11:14uh, a transition tag or, or a non-exclusive.

01:11:19I mean, do you think the Jets will explore one of those options if they can't strike a

01:11:24deal?

01:11:27Yeah.

01:11:27I don't know what the, do you know what the numbers are offhand?

01:11:29I don't know what the transition is.

01:11:31Transitions is, is, is the top 10 average.

01:11:33And then it's, yeah, it allows you to kind of go out and negotiate, but you don't have

01:11:39those, you know, two first rounders that you're kind of a gun to, uh, you know, a team's head

01:11:44to do it.

01:11:45So players like it more.

01:11:47I, I, it's, it's, it's a weird one.

01:11:49It seems like the best case scenario for Brees, but it's not really something you commonly

01:11:54see.

01:11:55Um, but yeah.

01:11:56Do you think they would tag him if, uh, if, if they don't have, if they don't have a

01:12:01deal set up or it doesn't seem like.

01:12:04I mean, you saw it a couple of years ago with say, I was going to say, they both got tagged,

01:12:08but I don't know if Brees is at their level, but he's close, you know?

01:12:13So, um, I, I'd be kind of surprised.

01:12:16Yeah.

01:12:17There are some benefits of the transition tag, like you said, in that case, or at least gives

01:12:21you a placeholder or the option to, to match or negotiate.

01:12:24But, uh, given where the team is and how many picks it now has, I would have a hard time

01:12:30seeing that.

01:12:31I think they would go younger there.

01:12:33Um, but if they can strike a deal outright, you know, without a tag, I could see that as well.

01:12:38I think, I think they'll kick it around and they do see value in him.

01:12:42It just depends on how much.

01:12:43Yeah.

01:12:44Yeah.

01:12:45All right.

01:12:45Well, let's touch on two last guys.

01:12:47I just want to throw them at you.

01:12:48These are, uh, by the way, these, these are notes from, from Jeremy Fowler, uh, senior NFL

01:12:54insider for ESPN.

01:12:55He always has good tidbits.

01:12:56If you're not following him on Twitter, uh, or you're not checking out his work on ESPN,

01:13:01he has, you have ESPN paid stuff, pay for the articles.

01:13:04Everyone allow, allow Jeremy to, you know, live, live a great life.

01:13:08He deserves it.

01:13:08You know, he's helped us out.

01:13:09You don't have to pay for him anymore.

01:13:11You don't?

01:13:12The ESPN plus is, is lifted.

01:13:14Yeah.

01:13:14When did it get lifted for you?

01:13:16Why, why am I paying to watch these games then?

01:13:20Oh, the, the games are different.

01:13:22The games are different.

01:13:22I'm just talking about the, my written content is no longer on a paywall.

01:13:27So.

01:13:28Great.

01:13:28Perfect.

01:13:29All right.

01:13:29Nice.

01:13:29Yeah.

01:13:29You can, you can check it out at ESPN.com.

01:13:32All right.

01:13:32Great.

01:13:33Great.

01:13:33Um, Jeremy, two names, two names that I like for the jets.

01:13:38Yeah.

01:13:38Um, uh, center Tyler Linderbaum.

01:13:41Um, you wrote that the Ravens are not within striking distance of a long-term deal.

01:13:46What's going on there.

01:13:47There's an assumption that there's been, you know, people have assumed these, one of the

01:13:51best centers in football, you know, a few years back.

01:13:53Yeah.

01:13:54What's kind of going on there.

01:13:55The jets might be in the market given that Josh Myers was sort of a placeholder there.

01:14:00Yeah.

01:14:01I mean, my sense on it is they picked Kyle Hamilton over Linderbaum as far as, as far

01:14:06as who to take care of first in part, because they had to franchise tag one of them.

01:14:12And the center tag bomb went under O lineman, which is like 20 plus million dollars.

01:14:18It might even be like 27 million.

01:14:20It's a huge number.

01:14:21So that didn't make sense to give that to a center.

01:14:23So they gave the tag to Hamilton knowing that they can get a deal done.

01:14:28It gives them time where now Linderbaum doesn't have the tag.

01:14:32And so he's got more leverage because of it, because they went and paid Hamilton.

01:14:36They've paid other players.

01:14:38You know, they got to probably pay Lamar eventually again.

01:14:41They have a lot of guys that, you know, I'm worried about Isaiah likely to who could get

01:14:44the franchise tag.

01:14:45Uh, because that tight end tag is, is lower.

01:14:49It's like 15 million and change.

01:14:51So that kind of puts Linderbaum in a position of strength, but it does make sense for Baltimore

01:14:57to keep them.

01:14:58They have been talking.

01:14:59I still think there's a good chance of that, uh, that he stays there, but they have a lot

01:15:04of players they got to take care of.

01:15:05I mean, they have several marquee free agents, you know, Travis Jones, D tackles, another

01:15:10one.

01:15:10So they have a lot to sort out there.

01:15:13Uh, and we'll see if they can find a sweet spot with Linderbaum.

01:15:15Luckily centers don't make crazy money in comparison to other positions.

01:15:19So maybe there's a sweet spot you can find among like the top two or three highest paid

01:15:23centers, uh, somewhere under $20 million a year.

01:15:27Great insight.

01:15:28Yeah.

01:15:29Yeah.

01:15:29It's interesting.

01:15:30Baltimore seems to like to shuffle things around every once in a while.

01:15:34They, they do a good job of it.

01:15:36Usually I'm curious.

01:15:37Uh, if it's like, if Baltimore doesn't want someone, why, why would we want what they,

01:15:41who they don't want?

01:15:42But, uh, that was good insight.

01:15:44That's who they decided to pay first there.

01:15:46Um, last name and I'll let you run.

01:15:48And then I need a jets, uh, I need a jets win loss prediction before you get out of here.

01:15:52Cause we do that here.

01:15:54Unfortunately, we got to like, you know, in the, in the fours and fives every year, but, um,

01:15:58Alec Pierce, right?

01:15:59He, uh, he's the receiver I really love and he's due to be a free agent.

01:16:05You wrote, he's could get paid 20 million a year.

01:16:08I mean, I'm, I wouldn't be surprised, but, um, where are you, uh, where are you getting

01:16:15that from necessarily?

01:16:16Because I want him here.

01:16:19Yeah.

01:16:20Yeah.

01:16:20So I actually was, I was talking to a team the other day and, you know, somebody I trust

01:16:24for the team and they had said they had heard 20 million for him, that that's either what

01:16:28he wants or what he might get.

01:16:30So when I ran that by some other teams, that number, they didn't scoff at it.

01:16:35You know, they just, it's kind of the market.

01:16:37I mean, what Calvin Ridley a couple of years ago got 20 and change, I think it was 23 million

01:16:41a year.

01:16:42Uh, and that's been an up and down proposition where Pierce is, you know, kind of a classic

01:16:48outside receiver that can draw safety help with his, his speed and size and jumping ability.

01:16:53So that pays, you know, it's just the way the market is now.

01:16:56I don't think it's saying that he's going to be a top 10 receiver in the league.

01:17:01It's just, that's the market, you know, he and George Pickens are going to do very well.

01:17:05So it's, it's, it's going to be tough.

01:17:08Uh, there's a, it's one of those positions now where it's more of a premium than it used

01:17:13to be just because of the numbers game that you can play, you know, like if you can draw

01:17:17a safety or draw a big shade of coverage, you know, you're, you're tilting the math out

01:17:24of 11 defenders or taking two or maybe three.

01:17:26That's just costs a lot now.

01:17:28And there's so many teams you see right now that don't have that guy, uh, you know, one

01:17:35of the teams that played tonight included, I mean, they have Gary Wilson, of course, but

01:17:38he wasn't out there.

01:17:39And, you know, you look at the Packers the other night, your Romeo Dodd is a good player

01:17:44who will do pretty well, but they could use like that alpha number one.

01:17:47So teams are starved for a receiver.

01:17:50That's for sure.

01:17:51Yeah.

01:17:51Look at Stefan Diggs tonight.

01:17:53I mean, you don't need to look far from there.

01:17:56I mean, Stefan Diggs showed why he could still be a number one wide receiver in this

01:18:01league.

01:18:01I don't know if he could do it on a weekly week out basis.

01:18:03Cause getting a little older, but, uh, he cooked tonight, Stefan, he had a really nice,

01:18:07nice night.

01:18:08Um, unfortunately, but, uh, all right, Jeremy 31, 31 with an ACL tear and he's, he's looking

01:18:14good.

01:18:14I mean, it's impressive.

01:18:15He looks great.

01:18:16He looks great.

01:18:16Yeah.

01:18:17Um, Jeremy.

01:18:18All right.

01:18:19Jet score.

01:18:20Oh, excuse me.

01:18:21Not score prediction.

01:18:22We, we already saw the score, uh, season prediction.

01:18:25All right.

01:18:25We're two and eight.

01:18:26Yeah.

01:18:26Where do the jets finish?

01:18:28Are, are we going to have a top five pick that that's what the tankers want to know?

01:18:32They keep bugging me.

01:18:33The tankers.

01:18:34Can you run, can you run me through the schedule real quick?

01:18:37What are the games?

01:18:37Let's go through it.

01:18:38All right.

01:18:39We're going to go through the schedule.

01:18:40Yes.

01:18:40I have it right here.

01:18:41All right.

01:18:42So we're playing, we're at the Ravens next Sunday.

01:18:46Okay.

01:18:47It's a loss.

01:18:48Okay.

01:18:48I shouldn't even have asked.

01:18:49I should have just skipped that one.

01:18:51No.

01:18:51All right.

01:18:52Uh, Falcons at home.

01:18:55Okay.

01:18:57Well, I'll just keep going.

01:18:58Just run.

01:18:58I just want to know who they play.

01:18:59Okay.

01:18:59Got it.

01:19:00All right.

01:19:01Ravens at, at Baltimore.

01:19:03Sorry.

01:19:03Uh, yeah.

01:19:04Falcons at home.

01:19:05Dolphins.

01:19:07Jaguars at Jacksonville.

01:19:09Then at New Orleans.

01:19:11Then we post the Patriots.

01:19:13And in the last game of the year, we're going to Buffalo for, for their last game at that

01:19:17stadium.

01:19:18Okay.

01:19:19I'm going to say there are two wins in there.

01:19:22I'll give them two wins.

01:19:22I'm going to say four and 13.

01:19:25Okay.

01:19:26Combination.

01:19:26That's fair.

01:19:27The saints, Falcons, and Jaguars.

01:19:29They can get one of those.

01:19:31Maybe two.

01:19:32I will give them the benefit of the doubt and give them two.

01:19:36Okay.

01:19:36Four and 13.

01:19:37Four and 13.

01:19:38All things considered right now, isn't the worst thing, I guess.

01:19:41I mean, that still puts you in the top five and you have a gazillion.

01:19:45It does, you know, but I, I'm thinking we'll, we'll, we'll see if they tilt the math and

01:19:50just try to conveniently lose a little bit, you know, like, I don't think they're going

01:19:54to do that, but that doesn't seem to be Aaron Glenn style.

01:19:58Um, but if they really liked Mendoza out of Indiana, who they were watching live last

01:20:04week, then maybe, maybe that tells you something.

01:20:08Yeah, no, I know.

01:20:10I know we're having, we're having, uh, we're having stick fights.

01:20:13I call it on Twitter about Mendoza or Simpson or Dante Moore.

01:20:17It's just, it never ends here with these convos, man.

01:20:21Um, yeah, Jeremy, thanks so much, man.

01:20:24I really appreciate it.

01:20:25Um, uh, if, and then everyone out there follow Jeremy, he, everyone knows who you

01:20:30are, but, uh, I love you during draft time too.

01:20:32I, uh, I love your off season work and what you do then.

01:20:36It's, it's always great stuff, but thanks, man.

01:20:37I really appreciate it, Jeremy.

01:20:39Thank you, man.

01:20:40I appreciate that.

01:20:41Thanks as always for having me.

01:20:42You guys have a great night.

01:20:43Oh, of course.

01:20:44Thanks, man.

01:20:45Appreciate it.

01:20:45All right.

01:20:47So there you have it.

01:20:49Jeremy Fowler, senior NFL ESPN insider.

01:20:52Some good notes there.

01:20:53Um, talked about some players that I like for the jets, but, uh, but yeah, we'll wrap

01:20:57up with this final thoughts on tonight's game.

01:20:59Um, listen, the jets are two and eight.

01:21:02They tried with whatever they had tonight.

01:21:05You know, you go into, what is it?

01:21:07You go into a gunfight with a knife or whatever the hell the phrase is.

01:21:11I can never get a phrase, right?

01:21:12That's why I probably needed Ryan here for that.

01:21:14But, um, yeah, they didn't have enough tonight and there was really zero expectations, um,

01:21:22from me and from most people that they were going to win this game.

01:21:25They played a good game overall though, like considering what they had and who they were

01:21:29playing and where they were playing and when they were playing in on this short week, they

01:21:34played, they played a good game.

01:21:36Uh, seriously, I mean, that, that's really all I could say.

01:21:38I don't think he played badly.

01:21:39I'm not up and oh my God, we lost the game or, you know, um,

01:21:44this team stinks that they could have won.

01:21:46Like, no, they just got beat by a better team.

01:21:49They, they did some things well at times.

01:21:51They didn't do things well at other times.

01:21:53And that's his jets team.

01:21:55Um, the, the thing, if you're a Patriots fan, you're excited about what you're seeing out

01:22:02there with Drake may and Travion Henderson and some of these pieces on the jets are going

01:22:07to be trying to find their quarterback because, uh, the one that we had back there, seven,

01:22:11um, isn't the guy, he's not the guy he's not getting us seven, you know, he's unscoring

01:22:17touchdowns.

01:22:18That's like, that's my corny reference for the night.

01:22:21Um, but yeah, with that being said, thanks for everyone for joining a shout out to the

01:22:25New York post sports, um, for, for having me host this on their YouTube.

01:22:29I did get a little bit into the off season stuff.

01:22:31I, I, I spoke to Joe Sina earlier in the week.

01:22:34I, I, I speak with Jeremy Nick Spano from you stadium helped hook this up.

01:22:38I wanted to get their input.

01:22:39It was a short week.

01:22:40We got, you know, Sundays in a few days, let's get some input.

01:22:43A lot of Jeff fans after the eighth loss of the year, that's really when you're mathematically

01:22:48out of the playoffs.

01:22:51It's very tough.

01:22:52I know we had jet fans saying we're going to win 10 games in a row.

01:22:56That's a, you gotta be a maniac to think that.

01:22:58I don't even think that if I have, uh, you know, 10 shots of tequila, I wouldn't even say

01:23:03that, but, um, it, the season's over.

01:23:06It's over.

01:23:06That's it.

01:23:07So it's okay.

01:23:09Um, it is, it was over when we lost five games in a row to start the 0 and 5.

01:23:14It was all, I was over 0 and 4.

01:23:16So think about what this team could do.

01:23:19I did see some things encouraging tonight.

01:23:21I did.

01:23:22I think Glenn is, is, is, doesn't seem over his head the last couple of weeks.

01:23:26He doesn't, um, is, does that mean I want to keep him around?

01:23:31He's going to be around.

01:23:32So you'd rather see something than nothing.

01:23:35But with that being said, I'm heading out.

01:23:39Um, we will be back next week.

01:23:41I'm sure Ryan will do something maybe early next week with cause I'll be around for the

01:23:45preview show.

01:23:46And then me and, you know, Ryan and myself will be doing the post game show.

01:23:49Um, but yeah, uh, my flowers for the night.

01:23:52Uh, I, I, I, I didn't give them out.

01:23:54Uh, Ryan and I give, give flowers out every, uh, every game, you know, I'm going to give

01:23:59my flowers to, um, uh, I was going to give it to someone, you know, I'm gonna give my

01:24:04flowers to John Mechie.

01:24:05There we go.

01:24:07John Mechie targeted three times, had three catches and had a touchdown tonight.

01:24:12Shout out to John Mechie had an incredibly hard journey to get where he is.

01:24:16Is, um, he was a throw in wide receiver.

01:24:22He scored tonight.

01:24:23He looked good.

01:24:24He had a 22 yard catch long of the day, more than double, uh, Mason Taylors, um, who had

01:24:30the second longest catch today, 11 yards.

01:24:33Um, again, this story repeats itself every week with these past catchers, but whatever.

01:24:38Uh, Mason didn't have a terrible game for catches 30 yards.

01:24:41Um, but yeah, this team needs more at quarterback, but, uh, yeah, my flowers goes to John

01:24:46Mechie, um, Frankie V checking out, um, stay tuned in with the New York post and, uh, we'll

01:24:53see you all next week.

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