Il nuovo Speciale di Raiscuola dedicato alle frontiere, alle domande e alle possibilità degli studi sulla fisica quantistica, si pone l'obiettivo, attraverso il racconto della figura di Gustavo Rol ed in occasione del trentennale della sua scomparsa, di indagare quello spazio, ancora in buona parte ignoto, che separa ed unisce fisica e psicologia, fisica e spiritualità. Attraverso le voci di persone che hanno conosciuto Gustavo Rol e attraverso l'analisi puntuale ed affascinante dell'ingegnere Antonio Manzalini, lo Speciale mette in luce questo spazio, spazio nel quale materia, energia e spirito si incontrato per dare vita ad un campo di studi ancora quasi tutto da esplorare.
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00:04Gustavo Rol is a man God sent among us to make us better.
00:13He is not a magician, he is not a clairvoyant, he is not someone who deals with spiritualism,
00:18but he is simply a great enlightened man.
00:21Mr. Rol? Hello? Are you on the line?
00:26Yes.
00:27Good evening.
00:28Good evening.
00:30Do you ever see how at this moment men of all faiths and all races gather together?
00:36inspired by a desire for universal peace?
00:39But I tell you, dear young people, support this movement, but also offer it immense strength,
00:47providing him with a means of irresistible power.
00:50You young people of Italy and all over the world, start shouting it everywhere right now.
00:57We want a United States of the world.
01:00There will certainly be those who intend to do so, this is the lucky moment to do so.
01:05This is what I hope.
01:43Gustavo Rol had managed to look at reality from within consciousness.
01:51When he entered the shop, he entered with this look as if the light had been turned on inside him.
01:59Always elegantly dressed, with an encyclopedic culture, he was a true gentleman and yet under those clothes he was a true
02:10spiritual master.
02:13He said you get what you give.
02:18He defined himself as the gutter that conveys the water that falls from the sky.
02:23So he said, it is not the gutter that you have to examine, but the water, that is, what comes from the higher dimension.
02:45I believe that Gustavo Adolfo Rol was a real living laboratory where he could experiment with a new physics capable of
02:56to integrate psychology.
02:58psychology and spirituality.
03:00After all, Goethe claimed that man is the best and most precise instrument that physics can have at its disposal.
03:10So Gustavo Rol, by making his extraordinary potential available to us,
03:17potential that he believed was within everyone's reach, has offered us an extraordinary opportunity to understand man, to understand
03:26reality.
03:29Gustavo Adolfo Rol was an enlightened spiritual master.
03:34I always define it like this, in fact I'll make it clear right away that I define it like this,
03:41because when he was 24 he reached a very high state of consciousness
03:48which is similar to enlightenment.
03:56Almost every day and almost every evening I went to him when he had meetings with his friends.
04:06doing his experiments and so I saw many things, even premonitions, health,
04:13on the future of people, of these writings that came from the other side,
04:20pictures that painted themselves and his experiments with paper,
04:25with these cards that moved by themselves, changed suits,
04:31they grouped themselves according to seed,
04:34they passed under the coffee table, I found them in the other room.
04:39It's '77, my shop has become trendy.
04:44Simonetta Conti from the press came over one day and was interviewing me.
04:48And I always say that these are the appointments of life,
04:52because while he was interviewing me a very distinguished, elegant gentleman entered,
04:57always perfumed, with his hat, he enters, bows, takes off his hat and glasses,
05:03he looks at my display cases and then bows and leaves, he doesn't speak.
05:07And Simonetta Conti tells me she doesn't know who that gentleman is?
05:10And I say very familiar looking.
05:14And she tells me Gustavo Roll.
05:17Well, I said fish, I let it slip.
05:19I suffered a lot for three days, I didn't dare.
05:23I'll dial the number.
05:24Good morning, Dr. Roll.
05:26Listen, my name is Giovanna De Meglio,
05:28I've wanted to meet her for a long time.
05:31And then excuse me, did you come to my shop?
05:33Answer, my dear child, not only am I not sending her away,
05:37but we will be friends for life and beyond.
05:40We are like two parallel lines that meet at infinity.
05:50So, I met Gustavo Roll in the 1980s,
05:53thanks to my friend Remo Lugli.
05:55I went to Turin on a Saturday,
05:57I saw Roll arrive, this very handsome, elegant gentleman,
06:00he was then around eighty years old,
06:02but he was, indeed, he already had them,
06:04he was still a very pleasant man,
06:06he seemed like a young man, an extraordinary man.
06:09And he did a strange thing,
06:10he took me by the hand, like this,
06:13he made me spin around,
06:15turn around on myself,
06:16and he said, okay, Paola can stay,
06:19I think he understood that I wouldn't bother him, that's all.
06:23And so that was the first time I participated
06:25and that evening he told me,
06:27since it was my first time participating,
06:30he would have only done, I say in quotation marks,
06:33experiments with cards.
06:37Roll considered the experiments with cards
06:39as the first step of his phenomenology,
06:42why playing cards were used
06:44like a mathematical tool.
06:46The cards have numbers,
06:48they have different colors,
06:50they have different symbols,
06:55I'm an easy tool,
06:59easy to access,
07:01and in these experiments of Roll
07:04very often they were the guests, the invited,
07:08or friends, or acquaintances,
07:09who carried decks of cards,
07:11new untouched,
07:12and that Roll didn't even touch.
07:16He invited me to his house,
07:18and then I bought two decks of cards,
07:23sealed.
07:23Very good, Giovannina, what do you want?
07:26I would like you to do an experiment on me.
07:29And what card would you like?
07:31I would like a hearts card.
07:35Why hearts?
07:36But why do you love me?
07:37And what number?
07:38The five.
07:39Why?
07:40It's your number.
07:42Then he takes his bamboo pencil,
07:46like a delicate, sweet thing,
07:50he writes it in the void,
07:52and he told me now you can open.
07:54And he tells me,
07:54Which deck do you prefer?
07:56And I said,
07:56I'll take this one on the right.
07:58Very good.
07:58Then do this,
08:00mix it,
08:02copal,
08:02and open it.
08:04And so I did.
08:05At some point I spread all the cards like this,
08:09all covered,
08:10minus the five of hearts,
08:12shot,
08:12with love written on it.
08:22In studying the possibilities that Gustavo Adolfo Roll was capable of,
08:28the scientist should maintain an open and humble attitude.
08:35The research approach I decided to adopt is a multidisciplinary approach,
08:41capable of integrating physics, psychology, spirituality,
08:46but with the idea of always placing man and conscience at the center.
08:52a route obviously traced by great people in the past such as Carl Gustav Jung,
09:01father of analytical psychology,
09:03and Wolfgang Pauli,
09:04Nobel Prize in Physics.
09:07Their dialogues on the idea of creating a bridge between matter and psyche are famous.
09:17Roll's teaching was simple,
09:20It was very simple, it wasn't a complicated thing.
09:24And he just wanted to show you the presence of the intelligent spirit in us.
09:30and its survival,
09:33that through that we could do whatever we wanted
09:36and allow us to live a much more peaceful life.
09:42He had this concept of the intelligent spirit,
09:45that everything is animated, everything in the world is animated,
09:49even stones, rocks, trees, etc.,
09:54but only man has a spirit that is intelligent.
10:00I was little and my mother told Roll,
10:04she had a nervous breakdown,
10:08and I always see her crying.
10:10At one point I told him,
10:11Mom, why do you keep crying?
10:13I was 6-7 years old.
10:14Life is like the seasons,
10:16first there is winter where everything seems to be dead,
10:19then at a certain point spring comes
10:22and everything changes, the flowers begin to appear, the good weather,
10:25then we imagine the summer with the sun, hot,
10:28and everything changes.
10:29Don't you think something could change for you too?
10:32Gustavo told him this and he told him,
10:34it is the intelligent spirit that makes one speak,
10:37who speaks, because she is too young to understand these things.
10:44But he coined the notion of intelligent spirit.
10:46These contacts with these spirits
10:52had to do with
10:54precisely this photocopy,
10:57this sort of double that is left
10:59on earth at the death of the individual.
11:03And Rol could do experiments though
11:05even with intelligent spirits of living people.
11:13Our Ettore Majorana supported
11:16that in quantum phenomena
11:19there is a disturbing value,
11:21which is far from scientific metrics.
11:25The fact that quantum information
11:29then it is not cancellable
11:31It's extremely interesting.
11:33Then the intelligent spirit could really,
11:36from a scientific point of view,
11:38be interpreted as a quantum field
11:41of information
11:43which cannot be erased,
11:45which is persistent
11:46and which is not observable from the outside.
11:53I was at Rol's house one evening.
11:57Then he took a blank sheet of paper
11:59and asked me and Dr. De Boni
12:02to say a letter alternately.
12:04First he makes me raise the cards,
12:06so it's usually the deck of cards,
12:08and he told me to raise the cards.
12:10I shuffle them, lift them up and find a number three.
12:12Then he said
12:13It means we should use the third letter.
12:15The third letter was a P.
12:17Then he tells me
12:19tell me a name that starts with P.
12:20My name is Paola with little imagination
12:23and I said Paul.
12:24Then he tells me
12:24let's see if there is a Paolo
12:26who wants to come and paint with us.
12:29Ah, there's Picasso, Pablo Picasso.
12:32He starts speaking French with Picasso.
12:37These apparitions were the version
12:40let's say it louder
12:42of this participation,
12:45of this involvement
12:46of intelligent spirits
12:48which had a strong impact
12:50on those present.
12:52And in fact he showed these things
12:53already to more advanced people
12:55who perhaps had already known him for a long time
12:57precisely because they could also be traumatic.
13:02Then he asks Picasso what colors he needs.
13:05I also have the sheet where he marked
13:07red, yellow, black,
13:10it looks blue, cobalt to me.
13:12Then he took some sheets of paper
13:13from typewriter.
13:15We each took one,
13:16we fold it in eight,
13:17we put it on the table
13:20mixing them.
13:21He then asked me to choose one.
13:23I took one,
13:23I put it under my blouse
13:25and even inside the bra.
13:27And he took another sheet of paper,
13:29he put it in front of him,
13:31in front of the colors.
13:33Picasso had asked
13:34even a brush of a certain number
13:36and a cup of water.
13:38So, at some point,
13:40Rol tells me
13:41Now you start describing a scene.
13:43So I started describing
13:44a lady
13:45which is in his bedroom.
13:47At this point Rol,
13:48which was a little mischievous,
13:50do as we want this lady,
13:52modest or immodest?
13:53I say, well while we're at it,
13:55let's do it shamelessly.
13:55Okay, shameless.
13:57While I was telling,
13:58him with his dry brush
14:00he touched the dry pipes
14:02and he pretended
14:03on his blank sheet of paper
14:04that he had in front of him
14:05to paint what I was telling.
14:08Naturally the sheet remained as it was.
14:10When I have finished describing
14:12this deliberately complicated scene,
14:14he told me
14:15is it finished?
14:15Yes, I'm done.
14:16Give me the paper.
14:17I give him the paper.
14:19Picasso had asked for the cup of water.
14:21He puts it in,
14:23I'll put it on,
14:23rather he tells me to put it in the cup of water
14:25and he told me
14:26push well with your finger,
14:28then I pushed down,
14:29into the water.
14:30Then Roll took the paper,
14:31he opened it,
14:32all dripping with water
14:33and there was the scene
14:35that I had described,
14:36complicated,
14:37unusual,
14:39Picasso's style
14:40with Picasso's signature.
14:44Gustavo Roll's ability
14:46to enter
14:47in this dimension
14:50of the intelligent spirit,
14:51of quantum information,
14:55it also allowed him
14:56to manipulate
14:57that raw material,
15:00which is precisely
15:00quantum information,
15:02that gives shape
15:03and functionality
15:04to the matter
15:05and so this
15:06would also explain
15:07his ability
15:08to transmute matter,
15:11as long as it was found
15:12in a particular condition
15:14of conscience,
15:15what he called
15:16sublime consciousness,
15:18the size where it is
15:19quantum information
15:21which is experienced
15:22from the inside,
15:23from consciousness itself.
15:24same,
15:25in this way
15:25they can be explained,
15:28I believe,
15:29many of the possibilities
15:30by Gustavo Roll.
15:33I'm going to his house
15:35and says
15:35don't touch your pockets,
15:37do nothing,
15:39when you get off,
15:39go on foot,
15:41when you are about
15:42on the second floor
15:43you put your hands on it
15:44in your pocket.
15:45I obey
15:46absolutely,
15:47I do it like this
15:47and what do I find
15:48in your pocket?
15:49this little golden die
15:53and then I go back
15:55and I tell him
15:56Gustavo,
15:57I found myself
15:58this golden die
16:00and he does it to me
16:01I can see you deserve it.
16:05The sublime consciousness
16:07of Roll
16:07it is essentially
16:08a mystical state.
16:10I put it in relation
16:11with Nirvana,
16:12the Samadhi,
16:14the Satori
16:14of the Eastern tradition.
16:16Roll had arrived
16:17to this state of consciousness
16:19through
16:20his own method
16:21where it says
16:22of having discovered
16:23a law
16:24that binds
16:25the color green,
16:26the fifth musical
16:27and the heat
16:28what is it about
16:31essentially
16:32of the awakening
16:33of Kundalini,
16:34what the Indian tradition
16:35call awakening
16:36of Kundalini
16:36and which is part
16:39of science
16:40of yoga.
16:40Kundalini is a word
16:41Sanskrit
16:42what does snake mean?
16:43and indicates
16:44the energy
16:45that we all have
16:47we would have
16:47we use the conditional
16:48according to the Sanskrit view
16:50at the base
16:51of the spine
16:53a great energy
16:53which is dormant
16:54in this area.
16:55The Orientals
16:56through exercises
16:58of meditation
16:58and concentration
16:59they believe
17:00to be able to
17:01to awaken
17:01this energy
17:02that then
17:03would go back
17:04long
17:05the spine
17:06awakening
17:07the various chakras
17:08that is, the energy centers
17:10that are in man
17:10and arriving
17:11down to the last chakra
17:12the eight of a thousand petals
17:14which would entail
17:15for the Orientals
17:16the acquisition
17:17of the siddi
17:17so this procedure
17:20this process
17:21that in Indian text
17:22he studied very well
17:23leads to a state
17:24of very high consciousness
17:25that was what
17:27Rolado called
17:27sublime consciousness
17:28I discovered
17:30a terrible law
17:32that binds
17:33the color green
17:35the fifth musical
17:37and the heat
17:40Ernesto De Martino
17:42in his studies
17:43had demonstrated
17:47that certain powers
17:49paranormal
17:50they had this type
17:52of root
17:53of cause
17:54states of consciousness
17:57extended
17:58called
17:59Olon
18:00Lata
18:01Amok
18:01in which it dissolves
18:03the presence
18:04the subject
18:05instead of seeing
18:06a tree
18:08with leaves
18:09shaken by the wind
18:11was becoming
18:12himself
18:13the tree
18:14and the leaves
18:14and then
18:16he disappeared a little
18:18the distinction
18:19to himself
18:21and the world
18:21between the subject
18:24and the object
18:24which is then typical
18:25even physics
18:26quantum
18:27the distinction disappears
18:28between observer
18:29and what was observed
18:31as if the world
18:32lost
18:33the borders
18:34the borders
18:34they became
18:35uncertain
18:36probably
18:36this is exactly
18:37that dimension
18:39of sublime conscience
18:40he was talking about
18:42Gustavo D'Alforolo
18:46I made the trip
18:47in Paris
18:49I was sitting there
18:51he was sitting here
18:52and we were talking
18:54I said
18:54I dream of Paris
18:55because that's where I belong
18:57I would like to stay there
18:58I said
18:59Yes
18:59All right
19:00young girl
19:01then come with me
19:02give me your hand
19:03I give him my hand
19:05and in no time at all
19:07where I am
19:08on the streets of Paris
19:20he made me visit
19:22the pyramid
19:22and he described it to me
19:24all possibilities
19:26of this beauty
19:28emanating beauty and well-being
19:31because he says
19:32this is sacred
19:32the pyramid of Paris
19:34Then
19:35I saw it
19:36to chat
19:38with the people
19:38in a way
19:39very quiet
19:41Very
19:42Like this
19:43as if he knew them
19:45and I
19:46I was watching him
19:47and I was also tired
19:49because of the rush to walk
19:50but I remember
19:51the perfume
19:51some flowers
19:52that there were
19:53in the streets of Paris
19:54along the Sena
19:55I was saying
19:56but how do I do it?
19:57to be here
19:58I have a memory
19:59so alive
20:00It seems like yesterday to me
20:01Here you are
20:02it's so alive inside me
20:03It seems like yesterday to me
20:05because then also
20:06when he told me
20:08Little John
20:08it's time to go back
20:09it's time for us to go home
20:11You come
20:12and then I look at it
20:14back in the eyes
20:14so in me
20:15which does not mean
20:16that we had sitting here
20:19quantum information
20:22can be
20:23teleported
20:25that is to say
20:26can be
20:28shared
20:30instantly
20:31without
20:33necessarily require
20:36a shift
20:37of matter
20:39and energy
20:40and this does
20:41think immediately
20:44to the cases
20:46of bilocation
20:47of which
20:48Rolle
20:49it had been
20:50capable
20:51quantum information
20:55can
20:57cross
20:58the barriers
20:59and then again
20:59tunneling
21:01but also think about it
21:02to entanglement
21:03quantum
21:05the strange one
21:06and bizarre
21:06phenomenon
21:07of physics
21:08according to which
21:09two or more
21:10particles
21:11quantum
21:12they can
21:14remain
21:16intimately
21:17connected
21:18although
21:19they are separated
21:20from
21:21very large
21:22distances
21:23both in space
21:25be it also
21:26over time
21:30I
21:31in my
21:32artistic path
21:33I did
21:34various projects
21:35one of these
21:36I titled it
21:36project
21:37mystics
21:38I am
21:38of the portraits
21:40that I had started
21:41to do
21:41with the mystics
21:42and returning
21:42to Gustavo
21:43it was always
21:45the initiator
21:46of projects
21:47but without
21:47want it
21:48he came by chance
21:49that is, his presence
21:50was part of
21:52of my unconscious
21:53the intuitions
21:54that I had
21:54graduation in the cemetery
21:56of St. Peter
21:56in constraints
21:57that purified
21:58the place
21:59from the deaths
21:59violent
22:01they are things
22:02which then
22:03through
22:03of coincidences
22:04they made me
22:05understand
22:06his presence
22:08roll
22:09he saw
22:10the aura
22:10the aura
22:11of people
22:12the aura
22:13era
22:13the halo
22:15the old one
22:15halo
22:16he saw it
22:17on all people
22:18based on
22:20to the halo
22:21he could say
22:22if you were healthy
22:23or if you had
22:24some illness
22:25or something
22:26that wasn't going well
22:27Why
22:28they saw
22:28this halo
22:29which was
22:29interrupted
22:30him
22:32which has never
22:34perceived
22:35money
22:36gifts
22:37when he met
22:38of people
22:39even just
22:40on the street
22:40he saw
22:41that there was
22:41in a shop
22:42he saw
22:43that there was
22:43something
22:44that wasn't going well
22:45then he said
22:47but look
22:47that she
22:48Perhaps
22:49he has something
22:50that doesn't work well
22:52look
22:53And
22:54I if he wants
22:56telephone
22:56to the professor
22:57Pinco Pallino
22:59That
22:59naturally
23:01they were the luminaries
23:02of Turin
23:03of gynecology
23:04of surgery
23:05and I do it
23:06see
23:06and this one said
23:08Well
23:08At that time
23:09he called immediately
23:10to these
23:11luminaries
23:12he told him
23:14the thing
23:15and these
23:15they saw her
23:16right away
23:17and has never
23:18nothing wrong
23:19because if it was done
23:20a premonition
23:21it was that
23:24in the
23:25two thousand letters
23:26that I found
23:27in archive
23:28in Turin
23:28a large part
23:30it's about people
23:31how we are
23:31all of us
23:32who thank him
23:33for the help
23:34that he gave
23:35not only help
23:36concrete
23:37type doing
23:38diagnosis
23:38healings
23:39etc.
23:39but also
23:40the help
23:40of type
23:41spiritual
23:42Meaning what
23:42indicating
23:43the way
23:44to follow
23:45indicating
23:46to live
23:47life
23:47in a way
23:48different
23:48less passive
23:49less apathetic
23:51and then
23:52in the evenings
23:53he did
23:54these experiments
23:55which evidently
23:56how can I say
23:57this wonderful
23:58it was urgent inside him
23:59and he needed
24:00to be manifested
24:06Rol was always present
24:08to help others
24:09in every possible way
24:11he was a Christian
24:14convinced
24:15and so much that it was signed
24:17even in his paintings
24:19with a cross
24:21and the beginning
24:22in his surname
24:22there is an R
24:24But Rol loved
24:25all religions
24:27and what he
24:28he claimed
24:29it is found
24:30in the teachings
24:31even great mystics
24:32his experiments
24:33his wonders
24:34they served him
24:35also to demonstrate
24:38a larger reality
24:39of that which
24:40we perceive
24:41with the senses
24:42a reality
24:43that was going
24:44beyond matter
24:46beyond time
24:47and even beyond death
24:57Gustavo Adolfo Rolla
25:00embodies perfectly
25:01the scientific demonstration
25:04if we want
25:05of the principles
25:07of analytical psychology
25:09by Jung
25:10the extraordinary importance
25:12of the unconscious
25:13of the unconscious
25:14who knows everything
25:15that sees everything
25:16that memorizes everything
25:18and that only brought
25:21at the level of consciousness
25:22allows us
25:23to reach
25:24then through
25:25that process
25:26of identification
25:27the self
25:28and therefore probably
25:28the sublime conscience
25:32the roll
25:33around '88
25:34more or less
25:35at that time there
25:36he had to be operated on
25:38of the prostate
25:40like all men
25:41of the name of prostate
25:42and I accompanied him
25:44from the department
25:46of the boarders
25:47At the Molinette
25:48a moment has come
25:50to give him the room
25:51and I said
25:52come doctor
25:52we give the room
25:53and that room there
25:55it was room number 8
25:57he arrives there in front
25:58and says no
25:59I'm not coming in here
26:01when then in 94
26:03in the end
26:04it had been decided
26:05to accompany
26:06the hospital
26:07I took him to a hospital
26:08the boarders A
26:09there was no room
26:11and I brought it
26:12in my department
26:13I succeeded
26:14to free him
26:15a small room
26:16ninth
26:17I'm there
26:17No
26:18eh Gustavo
26:19no
26:20you can't do it to me
26:20something like that
26:21oh no
26:22I don't like the number
26:25it was number 35
26:273 plus 5
26:308
26:30and at a certain point
26:32telephone
26:32of the boarders
26:34which has freed itself
26:35the room
26:36At that time
26:37we had to bring
26:38right away
26:39I loaded it
26:40on the stretcher
26:41also because
26:42he was getting worse and worse
26:44he didn't eat anymore
26:44he didn't drink
26:45the head of the house
26:46he saw
26:47That
26:47from his
26:48head
26:49was released
26:51a light
26:52very clear
26:53virile
26:53that's gone
26:54towards the surprised
26:55the other nurse
26:57that he was putting
26:58okay
26:58the blankets
26:59he heard
27:01a well-being
27:02incredible
27:03that he had never heard
27:06and so
27:07Roll
27:07is dead
27:08and the room
27:10what number was it
27:11number 8
27:13and then
27:14him
27:15in the eight
27:16he saw his end
27:17for what
27:18both in the first hospitalization
27:20that in the second
27:21he didn't want to go
27:22in the room
27:23number 8
27:28what you can do
27:30to perceive
27:31from our life
27:32it's just a small thing
27:33part
27:34of reality
27:35the spirit
27:37of man
27:37it's too big
27:39so that it can be done
27:40confine
27:41in a space
27:43and in a time
27:44so narrow
27:45like that one
27:46that a body
27:48physicist lives
27:49between birth
27:50and our life
27:53the point
27:54I believe
27:55let it be just this
27:57Gustavo Adolfo Roll
27:59era
28:00able
28:02to enter
28:03through
28:04the sublime conscience
28:05through the state
28:06of the sublime consciousness
28:07in size
28:09of the spirit
28:10of the spirit
28:10intelligent
28:11so beyond
28:12the limits
28:14of space-time
28:15It's a curious fact
28:16that Edgar Mitchell
28:17engineer
28:18Apollo astronaut
28:2014
28:21called this phenomenon
28:23overview effect
28:24by himself
28:25experienced
28:26when he was flying
28:28in space
28:29a moment of explosion
28:31of consciousness
28:32Edgar Mitchell said
28:33the perception
28:34to be part of
28:36of a universe
28:36living
28:37but from within
28:47when he says
28:48that in the future
28:48science will come
28:49to understand it
28:50I
28:51I am absolutely
28:53convinced
28:53that it will be like this
28:54and I also believe
28:56which as he said
28:57every human being
28:57will be able
28:59to be able to do it again
28:59his own
29:00experiments
29:03Today
29:03physicists
29:05enlightened
29:06intelligent
29:07they are looking for
29:07even if they don't have it
29:09known
29:09on the basis
29:10of testimonies
29:11of many people
29:12many testimonies
29:14I'm on Roll
29:14to try to understand
29:16what could it be?
29:17happen in him
29:18when he lived
29:20those moments
29:21of lighting
29:22where he
29:23came into contact
29:24with a dimension
29:25different
29:26what he did to him
29:27do all these things
29:28Certainly
29:30there is something to study
29:31there is something to study
29:33about him
29:37me since I met
29:38Roll
29:38I am no longer with myself
29:39felt alone
29:41never
29:43in my big bed
29:44with in front
29:44Roll's photo
29:45ago
29:45Gustavo
29:46I'm starting to think
29:47let it be my fantasy
29:48that you are not there
29:49just more
29:49and that not
29:50I will never reach you
29:52I fall asleep
29:53and in sleep wakefulness
29:55I see Rale
29:56what does he tell me
29:57Giovannina
29:58I just have to
29:59show up in a jacket and tie
30:00because you
30:01believe that I am alive
30:02thank you all
30:16thank you all
30:27thank you all
30:28thank you all
30:28thank you all
30:35thank you all
30:38thank you all
30:39thank you all
30:39thank you all
30:39thank you all
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