Puntata di "Rai3 per Enzo Biagi" dedicata al #CasoTortora. All'indomani dell'arresto del popolare conduttore, Enzo Biagi scrisse: "Fino all'ultima sentenza, per la nostra Costituzione, stiamo parlando di un innocente. Invece in ogni caso, è già un condannato". Il 17 giugno 1983 scattò il blitz contro la Nuova camorra organizzata. Tra gli arrestati, #EnzoTortora. Biagi lo intervistò il giorno in cui iniziò il processo di primo grado. La sentenza condannò Tortora a 10 anni. Il 15 settembre 1986 Enzo Tortora fu assolto con formula piena dalla Corte d'Appello, sentenza confermata in Cassazione. Enzo Biagi seguì il caso fino alla fine. Volle raccontare la storia di un uomo innocente, che fu vittima di un clamoroso errore giudiziario che gli distrusse la carriera e la vita.
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00:08Music
00:41Here, lawyer, may I?
00:43Sure, thanks.
00:44Well, I'll do it.
00:46May I serve you, Mr. Lawyer?
00:48Thank you.
00:48It's an honor.
00:53So how are things going, Attorney?
00:55I look a little tired.
00:57Eh, we're working.
01:00You always do this before a trial.
01:02You lock yourselves away.
01:04Let's say, cloistered, so to speak, here they would queue.
01:07No, no, it's not always like that.
01:09Let's say this is a bit of a special process.
01:11Very special.
01:13Excuse me, Mr. Lawyer?
01:14Please.
01:14I take the plate.
01:17As you know, we are preparing the appeal process.
01:18and having already been beaten once, it is better to arrive well prepared.
01:21Okay, I understand.
01:23Let's say it's like the second half of a final
01:26and that you take the field with a one-goal deficit.
01:29Allows.
01:30Yes.
01:31Here you go.
01:32If you want, we can also say that.
01:34Plus, Vente Tortora is a dear friend of mine.
01:40Allows?
01:41Yes, please.
01:49He's old.
01:50I see, June 23, 83.
01:53And if Tortora was innocent, I hadn't read this.
01:59But it is signed by none other than Biaggi.
02:02Enzo Biaggi thus began the article cited in the film dedicated to the Tortora case.
02:08I don't like one-way guarantors, even magistrates must be guaranteed the right to defend their rights.
02:16choices.
02:17While you are reading this article, Enzo Tortora is talking to the judges, we will know more precisely which ones
02:26crimes he is accused of.
02:27Until the final verdict, according to our Constitution, we are talking about an innocent man.
02:34Instead, in any case, he is already a convicted felon.
02:38From the television footage, from the newspaper headlines, from the cartoon of the parrot that finally speaks and says Porto Longone.
02:56How do you think information can be manipulated?
02:59You do what your mother told you when you were five.
03:05They shouldn't be said musie.
03:09So it depends on the skill.
03:11There are those who tell them better, there are those who tell them worse.
03:15But the facts have an ineluctable logic.
03:19And the worst thing a man who works in television or radio can do
03:24is having no respect for those who watch and listen to him.
03:29They are not tens of millions of imbeciles, they are your neighbor from whom you come from.
03:37You have to respect it.
03:39The Rai 3 episode for Enzo Biagi is dedicated to the Tortola case,
03:44one of the most disturbing in the history of Italian justice.
03:48Giorgio Bocca defined it as the greatest example of wholesale judicial butchery in our country.
04:04He needs no introduction, he is Enzo Tortora.
04:07But this time we don't see him in front of the cameras that made him famous,
04:11but rather among the Carabinieri of the operational department of Rome
04:14who arrested him this morning at the Plaza Hotel in the capital around 4am.
04:18On June 17, 1983, the blitz against the new Camorra organized under the orders of Raffaele Cutolo began.
04:29856 arrest warrants were issued.
04:33Among those arrested was one who had been made very popular by television.
04:46Ladies and gentlemen, good evening, thank you.
04:52The world champions and AC Milan have offered us, and will continue to offer, part of our broadcast.
05:21Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
05:25We are at the first toll of this other bell
05:28which I would like to be, like all the broadcasts we have had the pleasure of offering you,
05:35your home, that is, a place where you find yourself because the characters are exactly like you.
05:41Biaggi interviewed Tortora on direct line on February 22, 1985,
05:48the day the first degree trial began at the Court of Naples.
05:54Tortora, let me reiterate, was an innocent man.
05:58who was the victim of a sensational miscarriage of justice
06:02which destroyed his career and his life,
06:05accused by some convicted Camorristi.
06:11Good evening, we will talk about the trial that is taking place against the Camorra
06:17at the Assize Court of Naples
06:19and which today has acquired particular importance
06:22for the presence of the defendant Enzo Tortora.
06:25Let it be clear from the outset that we do not intend to hold trials on television,
06:30but only to provide news elements to the viewer.
06:34The sentences are issued by the judges and then by each of us in our own conscience.
06:40On June 17, 1983, the blitz against the new organized Camorra was launched in Naples.
06:48a gang that has the orders of Raffaele Cutolo.
06:51856 arrest warrants are issued
06:54which translates into 640 referrals to trial.
06:5872 of those arrested are innocent.
07:01About ten ended up inside for having the same name.
07:05Among the defendants is one who has been made very popular by television.
07:09Enzo Tortora.
07:11Good evening Tortora.
07:12Good evening and thank you for inviting me.
07:14How many months did you spend in prison?
07:16So 7 months in prison, another 6 months under house arrest,
07:22a total of 13 months of deprivation of personal liberty.
07:25What did you take away from this experience?
07:29Everything. And I don't see how this could all be erased.
07:34Whatever the solution to this story.
07:38They are unforgettable experiences, scars that remain
07:43and experiences that make you grow, if I may use this expression.
07:49What did you feel this morning when you entered the classroom?
07:52as a citizen with no criminal record and who declares himself innocent
07:57next to those men accused of being Camorristi?
08:01It should be noted that those men were not there.
08:04The huge bunker was deserted.
08:07At 9 I was there to honor my commitment.
08:13The court arrived at 11am.
08:16I waited two hours with my lawyers
08:20and I thought about many things.
08:23Of course, she wrote a beautiful book,
08:26A Thousand Rooms.
08:27Here, I too, without perhaps having touched the Thousand Chambers,
08:31but Tracella, Apartment, Hospital,
08:35This time I saw perhaps the most immense and hallucinatory room.
08:39I could never tell you exactly what I felt.
08:42I know one thing, that this huge river of mud
08:45it is moving, albeit slowly, towards the delta, towards the estuary.
08:51Here, this is the only thing that lifts me up and cheers me up.
08:55He also did not feel privileged because of the fact
08:58that his qualification as a parliamentarian
09:00does it allow her to be free?
09:02But I have heard this privileged term
09:05and I have to say with disappointment several times.
09:07If it can be considered a privilege
09:11to fight a battle that I consider indispensable,
09:15if it can be considered a privilege
09:17for example, not going off on one's own business,
09:21but visit prisons almost daily,
09:24if it can be considered a privilege
09:26having worked tirelessly in Strasbourg
09:29as a radical deputy,
09:31which I am honored to be.
09:34If all this is considered a privilege,
09:37well, I'm privileged.
09:38I don't want to point out that I consider it a misfortune
09:41to be accused of Camorra,
09:44but I also think it's better
09:46to be accused of Camorra
09:47having the ability to move
09:49and to do other things that others don't do.
09:52Privilege, perhaps the term,
09:54even seem offensive,
09:56it's actually enjoying,
09:58enjoy the verb too,
10:00and extends the moderate pleasure of the thing,
10:04of something that others don't have.
10:05This is true, but please believe me,
10:08I fight not only for others,
10:11but for everyone.
10:12Of course, to think that at this moment
10:14at Poggio Reale the men
10:15of the so-called Maxi Blitz
10:17I'm in 20%
10:20with only one hole for the toilet
10:23that at 3 in the morning
10:25they have to wake up
10:26and queue
10:27to roughly wash oneself,
10:31to undergo the search
10:33and then maybe be
10:34in the classroom at 9 and 10,
10:36then yes, in front of this
10:38I feel privileged,
10:40but I am less perhaps
10:41if I denounce with care
10:44and this fact also forcefully,
10:46not for me, but for others.
10:47I'm sure you've asked yourself the question
10:50that many people ask themselves,
10:52But why Enzo Tortore?
10:55I replied,
10:56I should take a trip to psychiatry
10:59and I'm not a psychiatrist.
11:00My name was mentioned in March,
11:04March 1983,
11:06while Tortore appeared calmly
11:08in his broadcasts,
11:09from a certain Giovanni Pandico.
11:12Giovanni Pandico is a character
11:15which has already been judged
11:18with a sentence as schizophrenic,
11:20as a slanderer,
11:22the most final sentence,
11:24more recent than November 1984,
11:27of the Court of Livorno.
11:29It is a sentence that should be passed
11:31perhaps a little better known,
11:34because the sentence,
11:36the Court is that of Livorno,
11:39not from Oceania,
11:40defines Pandico,
11:41mythomaniac and deviant personality,
11:45with a tendency to pre-establish evidence.
11:47I believe that any psychiatry manual
11:49there are cases of similar subjects,
11:52who choose targets,
11:54as appetizing as possible,
11:57because this inflates their sense
11:59of mythomania and powers.
12:00But in a few days,
12:02I think we will have the pleasure
12:04to meet this character.
12:06What's in these accusations?
12:08which also involve,
12:09if they were proven,
12:11a notable conviction,
12:13that she finds more,
12:14as well as more unreasonable,
12:17the accusations that hurt you the most?
12:20But I would say that they are so defamatory
12:23and these accusations are enormous
12:24which I find very natural
12:27the public's sense of dismay,
12:29because one of the two,
12:31or I am the greatest actor in the world,
12:33I have been for years,
12:35instead of being what I am
12:37and that people legitimately
12:39he supposed I was
12:40a kind of Dracula,
12:43of underground monster,
12:45and then give me the Oscar
12:47for the lie.
12:49Or if not,
12:51evidently something
12:52it didn't work.
12:54And in saying these things,
12:56please believe me,
12:56I contain myself.
12:58I repeat,
12:59we can't
12:59and we don't want to have a trial.
13:01Before the arrest,
13:02what did he know about Cutolo,
13:05of Pandico
13:05and the Camorra in general?
13:08But I didn't even know
13:09that Turatello had died,
13:11This may seem strange to you,
13:13but it has never been
13:14in my industry,
13:15in my genre.
13:17I took care of everything,
13:18except for crime news.
13:20These names have started
13:21to hail obsessively
13:23from the moment in which
13:25the handcuffs snapped onto my wrists.
13:27she knows that I was exhibited
13:29as a sort of
13:30obscene hunting trophy
13:32from state television
13:34for days and days
13:35as a sort of
13:35of the Camorra carousel.
13:38I entered this world
13:39that didn't belong to me,
13:41from which I am very far away
13:42for culture,
13:43for education,
13:44for a thousand reasons,
13:46suddenly
13:47and I said
13:48it was like an atomic bomb
13:49explode inside me.
13:51I didn't know anything about it.
13:52Even today
13:53I know
13:54what I had to
13:55out of duty
13:56let's say office
13:57or defense
13:58learn
13:59and above all
14:00from what I read
14:01from the newspapers
14:01who drew of me
14:03imaginary biographies.
14:05I read a statement of his
14:07in which he states
14:09that it doesn't have to be her
14:10which proves his innocence
14:12but it must be the others
14:13to prove his guilt.
14:15In principle
14:17this would seem easy
14:18but in practice
14:19what's happening?
14:20It happens that as
14:21in yesterday's case
14:22in Naples
14:23during a press conference
14:25that we wanted
14:28only
14:28because I
14:29I would like to avoid
14:30the subnetwork
14:32of the process
14:32Meaning what
14:33the centering
14:34the process
14:35on details
14:38rotogravure magazines
14:39which can be
14:40the most
14:40easily caught
14:42from a character
14:43so-called public
14:44because it seems to me
14:45that this process
14:46merits
14:47attention
14:48attention
14:49restless
14:51of many people
14:52of many people
14:53principles are at stake
14:54that surpass my name
14:55they surpass the names
14:57of all
14:57there are themes
14:59very important
15:00which verification
15:01with the evidence
15:03and not with infamies
15:04of words
15:06of the so-called
15:07repent
15:08and I
15:09having said
15:10center
15:10how much do you have to do with it?
15:11it's the only thing
15:12what can I say
15:13it is of the defense only
15:14what can I do
15:15for whom
15:17innocent
15:18but it's strange
15:19or is it in this story
15:20almost almost
15:21I was warning
15:22that it was little
15:23say
15:24I'm not in the center
15:25not at all
15:26Perhaps
15:26someone
15:27he would have loved it
15:28and I said
15:28well in some little things
15:29center
15:30but I am immensely
15:31sorry
15:33I say this with irony
15:34naturally
15:34but really
15:35I'm not in the center
15:36not at all
15:37whatever it is
15:38the outcome
15:39of the process
15:39what is it
15:40that will not be able to
15:41never again
15:42to get back
15:42beyond the days
15:43lost
15:45a vision
15:46of life
15:47Perhaps
15:48excessively
15:51rested
15:51on some certainties
15:53which are the certainties
15:54that people
15:55has the right
15:56should have
15:57the right
15:58to own
15:59justice
16:00justice
16:02as a column
16:02load-bearing
16:03of a state
16:04by law
16:05and of a democracy
16:07I understand
16:08the people
16:09when sometimes
16:10he says
16:10but if someone goes to jail
16:11something
16:12he must have done it
16:13or
16:14if it's so long
16:15in jail
16:15maybe something
16:16there is underneath
16:17Me too
16:18until the day
16:19Before
16:19I was among those
16:20Well
16:21I think
16:21that this
16:22both for the people
16:23an instinctive
16:24tribute
16:25of trust
16:26to justice
16:26it happened
16:27something terrible
16:28in the meantime
16:29in our right
16:30in our
16:32code
16:33in our laws
16:34it is no longer
16:35exactly like that
16:36it is necessary
16:37That
16:39that things
16:40come back
16:40On Tracks
16:42of the city
16:42Thank you
16:46the process
16:48first degree
16:48it ended
16:49September 17th
16:511985
16:52with the conviction
16:54of Turtle Dove
16:55at 10 years old
16:56and a fine
16:57of 50 million
16:58of lire
16:59the accusation
17:00it was based
17:01only
17:02on a notebook
17:03found
17:03in the house
17:05of the Camorrista
17:06Joseph Pucca
17:07in which
17:08it was written
17:09quill
17:09in a bad way
17:10a name
17:11and a number
17:12by phone
17:13both
17:14they were not
17:14of the presenter
17:15there is never
17:17the name
17:18the surname
17:19the nickname
17:20by Enzo Tortora
17:22there is
17:23in an agenda
17:24a portobello
17:25there is a number
17:27but not his
17:30Enzo Biagi
17:31whose friendship
17:32with Turtle Dove
17:33it consolidated
17:34after the arrest
17:35followed the case
17:36until the end
17:38without ever
17:39to leave out
17:39a passage
17:40on the eve
17:41of the appeal
17:41Biagi interviewed
17:42for commercials
17:43of June 13th
17:451986
17:46two
17:47of the accusers
17:49of Turtle Dove
17:49that in the meantime
17:50they had several times
17:51changed version
17:53Michelangelo D'Agostino
17:54and Giuseppe Pucca
17:55that
17:56of the famous
17:57Gendina
17:57in the episode
17:59Biagi met
18:00even the substitute
18:01attorney
18:02Vincenzo Scholastico
18:03which then
18:04he had the merit
18:05to return
18:06to Enzo Tortora
18:08the dignity of man
18:12in seven days
18:14Exactly
18:15May 20th
18:15Enzo Tortora
18:16he returns to court
18:18for the process
18:19of appeal
18:19he already has on his shoulders
18:20a conviction
18:22at ten years old
18:22in the meantime
18:24to its complicated
18:25story
18:25it was added
18:27some new chapters
18:28there are some repentants
18:29who have regretted it
18:31of the prosecution witnesses
18:32that no longer seem like such
18:34in the processions
18:36to the Camorra
18:37out of 640 defendants
18:39259
18:40they were acquitted
18:41almost half
18:42and 107
18:44with full formula
18:45Meaning what
18:45because they didn't have
18:46nothing to do
18:47with Cutolo
18:48and companions
18:49on these contradictions
18:51it fits in
18:52the controversy
18:53on repentance
18:54who rejects it
18:55completely
18:56who hopes for it
18:57a more careful use
18:59without regrets
19:01we would not have solved it
19:02the drama
19:02of terrorism
19:04without the buscetta
19:05and the side dish
19:06we wouldn't have understood
19:08the mechanics
19:08the strategy
19:09philosophy
19:10why a philosophy
19:11exists
19:12of the mafia
19:14let's take
19:14the Tortora case
19:15as a borderline case
19:17very far from us
19:18the intention
19:19to anticipate
19:20another process
19:21or to draw up
19:22really
19:23a verdict
19:24let's take it
19:25as an opportunity
19:26to reflect
19:27all together
19:29with the passage of time
19:30of the time
19:31There are
19:31fewer deceased
19:32and more businesses
19:33criminal
19:34but it turns out
19:35equally clear
19:36that there are
19:37shadow areas
19:37that the process
19:38Turtledove
19:39he has nothing at all
19:40dissipated
19:41dividing people
19:42between those who blame
19:43and innocentists
19:44this is due
19:45largely
19:46to the characters
19:46appeared gradually
19:48in the limelight
19:48as accusers
19:49by Enzo Tortora
19:51and that in these days
19:52they are doing
19:52of the revisions
19:53of their judgments
19:54or their depositions
19:56in the bunker classroom
19:57of the court
19:58of Santa Maria
19:59Capoavetere
20:00in large cages
20:01are processed
20:02these days
20:03some figures
20:04prominent
20:04of the Camorra
20:05like Michelangelo
20:06D'Agostino
20:07they charge him
20:0915 murders
20:10and willing
20:10to recognize it
20:117
20:12old friends
20:13in the meantime
20:14they killed him
20:14the father
20:15the usual revenge
20:16transversal
20:17we want to listen to it
20:19in its most
20:20recent interpretation
20:23Mr. D'Agostino
20:25it's true that she
20:25he is sorry
20:26of having regretted it?
20:27no it's not true
20:28for certain people
20:30I'm sorry
20:30to be sorry
20:31listen she was one
20:32of the accusers
20:33of Turtle Dove
20:34isn't it anymore now?
20:37No
20:38I always am
20:39but
20:40I don't know
20:40at what level
20:42in what way
20:42they made me
20:43become
20:43the accuser
20:44of everything
20:45because I
20:45when I spoke
20:46with the magistrates
20:46of this
20:47blessed
20:48Accent
20:49I also gave
20:50a number
20:50by phone
20:50but
20:51I cared
20:52to clarify
20:52I said
20:52if maybe
20:53that number
20:54by phone
20:54it's not that one
20:55person
20:55it means that
20:56I was wrong
20:57in my
20:57widow
20:57because mine
20:58it's an accusation
20:59by hearsay
20:59not an accusation
21:00specification
21:01I brought him
21:01so much stuff
21:02I don't want to be
21:03Enzo Tortora's executioner
21:04because I miss it
21:05actually it hurts
21:06me too
21:06if to him
21:07he was truly innocent
21:08it hurts me too
21:09knowing it in prison
21:10in her opinion
21:11why did it come out
21:12the name of Tortora
21:13in this whole faction
21:15but I don't know
21:16me for example
21:17I take my experience
21:19in this meeting
21:20we talked
21:21of this Tortora
21:22but here it is
21:23let's say
21:24in which meeting
21:25because the public
21:25he doesn't know what meeting it is about
21:26a meeting
21:27estate in Caivano
21:28who talked about it
21:29just yesterday
21:29little to Giuseppe
21:30where it was spoken
21:31of this Tortora
21:31but it was talked about
21:32also from Caivano
21:33this phone number
21:34where did she read it?
21:36I had read it
21:36on the diary
21:37by Cuca Giuseppe
21:39but at this meeting
21:41who proposed
21:42the name of Tortora
21:42what was said
21:43of Tortora?
21:44it was said that
21:45there he is
21:47that Tortora there
21:47which was a
21:48let's say
21:49not really affiliated
21:50why the word affiliate
21:51he doesn't know about
21:51he was a supporter of ours
21:54a friend of ours
21:54how we want to say it
21:56and who was dealing drugs
21:58in the Milan area
21:59and Berca
22:00who told it?
22:02I didn't tell much
22:03above
22:04let's say in particular
22:05Cuca Giuseppe
22:05and someone else
22:06now it turns out to you
22:07that Cuca is sorry
22:09of what he said?
22:09no but it seems to me
22:10that Cuca is not sorry
22:11which is dissociated
22:12but a convenient dissociate
22:13but
22:13no but on the Tortora farm
22:14and how does Cuca behave?
22:16confirms that
22:17what did he say?
22:18No
22:18Cuca always goes
22:20on the negative
22:21because rightly so
22:22he is not a repentant
22:23he is not a dissociative
22:24he always says
22:25which is not true
22:26that what is not true?
22:28that he would show me
22:29this famous one
22:30gentle
22:31and he would have spoken
22:31of Turtle Dove
22:32when he showed it to her
22:33the people?
22:34he showed it after
22:35let's say
22:36Casilla's death
22:37how many people she
22:38did he kill?
22:39I
22:40I would recommend
22:41I killed seven of them
22:42but here
22:42I killed fifteen of them
22:44winds
22:44thirty
22:45my accumulation of crime
22:46I killed them
22:47seven people
22:48barbarously
22:49I killed them
22:49but those are
22:50seven people
22:51no more than seven
22:52but the repentants
22:53When should we believe?
22:55in the first version
22:56in the second
22:58Why
22:58you are changing
22:59everyone?
23:00but I believe
23:00that the repentant
23:01you have to believe
23:02right in his
23:03first version
23:04what he did
23:04why all that
23:05that we make say
23:06they are also the camporristi
23:07that make us say it
23:08we don't say it
23:08Why
23:09we receive threatening letters
23:11she takes the example
23:12of D'Amico's language
23:13they are the ones who say
23:14we as we must
23:15behave in the classroom
23:16but here it is
23:17I would like to explain this
23:18to make people understand
23:19to many good young people
23:20to many we say
23:20the picciotti
23:21that the leaders have abandoned them
23:22because a boss
23:23Buca Giuseppe type
23:24by Jerome
23:25and many others
23:26he tells me
23:27go to class
23:28exonerate me
23:28but he accuses others
23:29just to give feedback
23:30at the court
23:31to make people believe
23:31because if I come here
23:32and I portray everything
23:33the court says
23:34alright
23:34but if I
23:36except him
23:37the accused of ten
23:38the court believes me
23:39and throws him under
23:40here this is a nice little game
23:41and they should understand this
23:42the Camorra kids
23:43the most children
23:45who still have to understand it
23:46she doesn't have
23:46held a sea
23:47to save them
23:48because really
23:48they are boys
23:49sportsmen
23:49she did not accuse
23:50some magistrates
23:51of having tried
23:52to convince her
23:53to make her say
23:54certain things
23:54yes I accused
23:55Dr. Di Spivito
23:56seems on the matter
23:58doctor
23:59and what he had done
24:01this doctor?
24:02but as I said
24:03that he
24:04he would have promised me
24:05that he would have done to me
24:06take to the cemetery
24:07if I blamed everything
24:08but this was
24:09an invention of mine
24:09one of my balls
24:10Dr. Di Spivito
24:12it was never dreamed of
24:12yes I went
24:13at the cemetery
24:14but he never dreamed of it
24:15to send me to the cemetery
24:16and I stopped
24:17the minutes of everything
24:18because that doesn't mean
24:18then be a magistrate
24:19it would mean
24:20to be a
24:21let's say an animal
24:22but how many things she does
24:23did he invent?
24:25I
24:26Nobody
24:26but according to her
24:28Tortora is a victim
24:30he is innocent
24:31or is he guilty?
24:33for me personally
24:34for me personally
24:35and I can say it
24:35for me he is a victim
24:36Michelangelo D'Agostino
24:38he doesn't get along
24:39with Giuseppe Pucca
24:40called Japan
24:41Japan
24:42Cutolo's right-hand man
24:44he is accused
24:45of about fifty
24:46of killings
24:47in the history of Tortora
24:48it appears as
24:49owner of a notebook
24:51in which they were marked
24:52name and surname
24:53and telephone number
24:54of the television character
24:56we talked
24:57from time to time
24:58by a Rolando Tortora
24:59then of a Tortona
25:00now we go back
25:01an Enzo Tortora
25:02entrepreneur from Salerno
25:04Mr. Pucca
25:06what is the real story
25:07of the diary
25:08in which
25:09it was marked
25:10the name of Tortora
25:12the diary
25:13which was found
25:14in particular
25:15it was never mine
25:16it was the girl's
25:18who was arrested
25:19together with me
25:21in Lecce
25:23how much was it
25:25said
25:26from the slope
25:27Michelangelo
25:28it was just
25:30a bale in a leap
25:31that he took
25:32after the news
25:32of your average masses
25:34that you have spread
25:35to pear
25:36the newspaper
25:38because he
25:39when he heard
25:40the name of Tortora
25:41it wasn't even
25:42aware
25:43of which Tortora
25:44it was about
25:45which then
25:46automatically
25:47after it came out
25:48that the Tortora
25:48after the judge
25:50instructor
25:50of the Tortora trial
25:52that I don't know
25:53if this news
25:54it came to a head
25:56or not
25:57it turned out
25:58that the Tortora
25:59that Michelangelo
26:00defined
26:01the Turtle Dove
26:01the presenter
26:02it was the Tortora
26:03an entrepreneurship
26:04from Salerno
26:05but she these things
26:06to the judges
26:06did he say them or not?
26:07I told her
26:08yesterday for the first time
26:09to the judges here
26:10because to me
26:11they didn't give me
26:11never an occasion
26:12to speak
26:13and to say
26:14this fact
26:14but I have not been
26:15never called into question
26:16rather to me
26:16he would have made me
26:17nice to meet you
26:18to go and arrange
26:19of this crime
26:20to exonerate
26:21a person
26:21that unfairly
26:22she had been accused
26:23from false slopes
26:25in fact as you have
26:26I have here
26:27a note
26:27that I will have to
26:28report the debt
26:30the slope
26:31Michelangelo
26:32because he is a great
26:33slander of man
26:34she
26:35who had it
26:36this little town?
26:37a girl or her friend?
26:38a girl
26:38that I
26:39who was with me
26:40who was arrested
26:40with me at law
26:41that automatically
26:42I wasn't really
26:42aware
26:43of this little town
26:45which is a lot
26:46provable
26:47see
26:47because just call
26:48the girl in question
26:49and they will see
26:50that the girl
26:51he answers him
26:52to all questions
26:52how did he respond
26:53already in judgement
26:55process structures
26:56from beyond
26:56On the contrary
26:57it will be strange
26:58that it is not highlighted
26:59this case
27:00but she during the trial
27:02he didn't ask
27:03to go to Naples
27:04and to go and tell
27:05what he knew
27:06why did he say it
27:07only yesterday?
27:08they never called me
27:11but if she knows
27:11that a person
27:12he is innocent
27:13you don't feel the duty
27:14to go and say it right away?
27:16No
27:16but I thought
27:17that they would call me
27:18just to clarify
27:20the question
27:21of this kind
27:21and then they didn't call me
27:23Who should I contact?
27:23to be called
27:24it's a process
27:25that doesn't interest me
27:26did you understand?
27:27no one wants to attribute
27:28the driving license
27:29of possessor of the truth
27:30to individuals
27:31who have distinguished themselves
27:32especially as a killer
27:34and which have given rise
27:35to a pinwheel
27:36of denials
27:37of statements
27:38of accusations
27:38and we must also realize
27:40which is not easy
27:41for magistrates
27:42individuate
27:43the lie
27:45or the slander
27:45Dr. Vincenzo Scolastico
27:47he is a public prosecutor
27:48in the process
27:49which is currently taking place
27:51in Santa Maria Capo Averere
27:52against the Camorristi
27:53Mr. Judge
27:55how do they explain themselves?
27:56these changes
27:57in a mood
27:58in the repentants?
28:01mood swings
28:03they can be
28:03dictations
28:04for various reasons
28:06the reason
28:08preeminent
28:09it's fear
28:10why the Camorristi
28:11they accused
28:12other Camorristi
28:13they accused
28:13dangerous people
28:15they were drawn
28:16under arrest
28:16hundreds of people
28:19and they paid
28:20these Camorristi
28:21repent
28:21even in first person
28:23the price
28:23of the statements
28:24to Augustine
28:25for example
28:26they killed the father
28:27and certainly
28:28the killing of the father
28:30it is to be put in relation
28:31with his
28:32statements
28:35it is necessary to evaluate
28:36in my opinion
28:36case by case
28:37every single retraction
28:39with those criteria
28:40which establishes
28:41the Supreme Court
28:42of Cassation
28:42which are then
28:44the most reliable criteria
28:45that is, to see why
28:46yes it is
28:48that repentant
28:48he did
28:49indictments
28:50What
28:51he pushed it
28:51to accuse
28:52his accomplices
28:53which elements
28:54goals
28:54of feedback
28:55he provided
28:55the why
28:56of the retraction
28:57we need to investigate
28:58on this
28:59and of course
28:59it's a problem
29:00that they have to solve
29:02the magistrates
29:03that they have
29:03the individual processes
29:04I tell you
29:05I am innocent
29:06I've been screaming it for three years
29:07the cards shout it out
29:09the facts scream it
29:11that have emerged
29:11in this debate
29:12I am innocent
29:14I hope
29:15from the depths
29:16of the heart
29:17that you are
29:18you too
29:20September 15th
29:221986
29:24Enzo Tortola
29:25he was acquitted
29:26with full formula
29:28from the Court
29:29of Appeal
29:29of Naples
29:30judgment
29:31confirmed
29:32also in the Supreme Court
29:33February 20th
29:351987
29:37Tortola
29:38return
29:39on Rai
29:39with his
29:40transmission
29:41most popular
29:41Portobello
29:42they had passed
29:44three years
29:44and four months
29:45from the day
29:46of his arrest
29:47June 17th
29:481983
29:52applause
30:05thank you all
30:08thank you all
30:22Thank you all.
31:05Thank you all.
31:09Thank you all.
31:40Enzo Tortora, on April 12, 1988, already very ill, will die shortly after, he will intervene by telephone with his daughter Silvia present in
31:52direct line study.
31:53Tortora, in those days, had publicly revealed the disease and asked for compensation of 100 billion lire for the
32:04'unjust detention.
32:08Enzo Tortora is seeking €100 billion in compensation for the serious offense to his honor and health.
32:15He is hospitalized in a clinic, his condition is serious and his defenses are weak.
32:20Any contagion could have disastrous effects for him.
32:24His choice to make his illness and battle public has drawn criticism.
32:29It has been said that not even in the family did everyone agree, but that is not the case.
32:34This is Silvia, the daughter closest to him.
32:36Silvia, how is your father coping these hours?
32:40But I believe with an enviable strength, with the will to fight.
32:44And I would like to clarify to all those who write obituaries,
32:48which in any case speak of a man who is already dead or who is dying, who is living, indeed, who is fighting.
32:54And this is fundamental.
32:55With great dignity.
32:57Why did you decide to make your situation public?
33:01Because he is a public man.
33:02And so I think this is also required for a public man.
33:05to live all the stages of his life in front of the public and the people.
33:10And also a politician.
33:12It was said that she did not agree with this decision.
33:17Is that so?
33:17Many things have been said, many inaccuracies.
33:20And in fact this is the last time I will answer questions about my father's affair.
33:25Because I also explained that my suffering is my own and I don't want to share it with anyone.
33:30I not only agree, but I deeply respect every decision he makes and I believe that it is enough to know that
33:39that I am by his side at every moment, whatever his choice.
33:43How much did the Neapolitan experience influence him?
33:48I don't know if we can talk about statistics, but maybe let's say that if he could have lived two lives or three
33:54His lifetimes would not have been enough to overcome this heartbreaking event.
34:01This monstrosity that hit him inside, making him explode.
34:06A bomb exploded inside him which evidently devastated his body at this point.
34:12What is your aim with this appeal, with these statements?
34:18To show how much he is willing to fight, not so much for himself, but for others,
34:24for those who are in the same conditions as him.
34:27And I find it an example of a huge civilization.
34:31Few people are capable of such gestures.
34:34Have you imagined the possible criticisms, the accusations that will inevitably make you turn death into a spectacle?
34:44Although there are many precedents of this kind.
34:47Journalists who have written books, journalists who have spoken in front of the cameras.
34:52This was exactly what I feared when the press conference was announced.
34:56My only fear was this, that as always on the Enzo Tortora affair people, public opinion,
35:04press, intellectuals would split again.
35:08Because its entire history has been the history of people who were divided: those for, those against, those who believed it was innocent, those who believed it was guilty.
35:17Unfortunately, even in the face of this announcement, which is not an announcement of an indirect death, as they did to me
35:24say,
35:26it's simply the desire to continue a battle in front of everyone's eyes.
35:32Two days ago he told me that during the night he had a dream that was like a nightmare, a dream
35:37mind-blowing.
35:38There were people who loaded him onto something and took him back to Naples before the judges.
35:43What offended you most about this story?
35:46Certain cruelties, did he feel persecuted?
35:50I think everything in this story offended him.
35:53The behavior of certain press, the behavior of certain judges,
35:58the moral lynching and the meanness and the indignation of not being able to scream are innocent,
36:06Why be innocent when you are not even innocent but a total stranger?
36:11It must be something deeply heartbreaking, that is, the impossibility of being able to scream
36:19I am innocent because I have not actually committed anything, not even this.
36:24I think this whole thing has torn him apart.
36:28Is he religious?
36:30And this is a discussion I don't think I can address.
36:34What comfort do you find in these hours?
36:38Certainly in the truth, that is, in the things he believes in, in life, in the struggle, in justice,
36:44because he still wants to believe in justice, in tomorrow, why not?
36:47He makes plans.
36:48If you had to tell the story of your father's life, what would you say?
36:55I would say that it was, outside of the rhetoric, it was a great example of highs, lows,
37:01but above all that he was a man.
37:03And how would he like others to talk about him?
37:07How would you like them to judge him?
37:10Like a man, nothing else.
37:14Enzo Tortora's voice explains his condition better than any speech.
37:20Good morning Enzo.
37:22At that time.
37:22How are you today?
37:23And well, they tell me that I've increased the knots a bit.
37:29Can we get started?
37:31I'd love that.
37:33Why did you decide to reach out to people, to tell your story again?
37:39Because it's never been my story.
37:42Even if some people tended, as often happens in Italy, to personalize, it is a problem that concerns everyone.
37:54One of two things.
37:55Either I was guilty and I deserved the Oscar, never mind Sofia Loren or Bertolucci's eleven Oscars for
38:09the last emperor.
38:11Or if not it was the most monstrous of injustices, which was taking place under the eyes of a country that,
38:18in words, it is of ancient legal civilization.
38:22It's never been my story.
38:24I never experienced it as my story.
38:27I've been accused of this too, even by people I respect, who told me, mind your own business.
38:37But my business is everyone's business.
38:40But they're also important as your business, I think.
38:43They are also important as your business, undoubtedly, as my business.
38:48But I believe that there is never anything that is completely ours.
38:54Someone will criticize your gesture. What do you want to achieve?
38:59Will he criticize my gesture?
39:01Yes. The idea of making your illness public.
39:05So you can expose yourself.
39:07Mine is not a querulous plea for mercy.
39:15This is a declaration of war, too.
39:18Of battle.
39:19I intend to fight with all my strength.
39:22I hope you slowly recover.
39:27How can I and how will I be able to.
39:29Do you think there is a connection between the Naples trial and your illness?
39:33I am absolutely convinced of that.
39:35But Professor Veronesi is absolutely convinced of this.
39:39They are absolutely convinced of this at the Cancer Institute.
39:44The most advanced scientists are absolutely convinced of this.
39:49Perhaps Professor Veronesi doesn't think so at all.
39:52I heard him and he says that the psyche has a great importance in healing, not so much in causing evil.
40:01But these are technical problems.
40:04What offended you most about this story?
40:07It goes, I would say, the enormous ease with which people have become misinformed and misinformation, obviously, has a great responsibility,
40:20falls into the most naive traps.
40:23But, I repeat, mine is not the statement of a poor boy, look at what they reduced me to.
40:36It's simply a don't give up, don't give up message to everyone.
40:42Aimed at everyone, aimed at the country, aimed as a warning to politicians.
40:49Tomorrow I will write a piece dedicated exclusively to this, to politicians in the Corriere della Sfera, dedicated exclusively to this.
41:01I've been working on this foundation for a long time, I've been thinking about it for a long time.
41:07And I said, if it is allowed, Nobel, who if I am not mistaken invented dynamite, was allowed to create some
41:20prizes for science, for medicine, for literature, for art.
41:26The world is missing a Nobel Prize winner, who will be called the Enzo Torsola Foundation for Justice.
41:38It's just as important as science, as important as health, as important as everything.
41:48And it will be dedicated not only to Italy, even if Italy will naturally have its part, but it will be dedicated to
42:00all those cases in the world that present moments of serious failure of justice.
42:10In your story, the good and the bad things about men have come out, for better or for worse.
42:16What do you remember most?
42:17A bit of everything came out. The good came out, the bad came out. I alone always fought.
42:25against those who wanted to see evil at all costs, where there was only good.
42:32Look, I think I demolished them with actions, not words.
42:38Do you think you made any mistakes?
42:40Once you say, yes, the passport, being cold, a wrong passport.
42:49Other than that, I haven't made any mistakes.
42:54I don't know what kind of error, eh.
42:59I don't see any mistake, in short, even when I was accused of putting it into politics.
43:10But justice is not politics, justice is life.
43:15Tomorrow this infamous law, this fraudulent law, this truly fraudulent law, is likely to pass.
43:23These difficult hours, what comforts you?
43:26These?
43:27Difficult hours, what comforts you?
43:30Well, well, it's not easy, I could have faced these hours more calmly.
43:42I wasn't allowed to, but that's no reason to stop.
43:47How is it going?
43:48Informed, here's what I have.
43:52Besides, he was inquiring about Belluso's wedding, right?
44:00He informed himself about the most abject and stupid things.
44:06I think it's right to report things as they are.
44:10How do you rate your life today?
44:15Ah, the life of a fighting gentleman.
44:19The life of a gentleman who fights, of a gentleman who does not ask himself what the results will be,
44:30Even though he hopes with all his might to make it, he fights steadfastly.
44:38I would like to thank the radicals, because it is to them that we owe the delivery of the citations to Naples,
44:47and to them we owe many things, they worked very hard.
44:55It's an operation that comes from afar, this is the foundation, it's underground, European.
45:02It is an operation that I believe once again falls on the lips of all those who are always ready to say
45:12Yes,
45:13but it is thus to find fault and to find, who knows, that infamy even in the cleanest action.
45:25What would you like others to appreciate about who you are?
45:36It's not over, there was another episode, always dedicated to the Tortola case,
45:42and direct line broadcast on April 11, 1989, in the studio, sister Anna.
45:50Anna is the sister who was closest to him and who today expresses her bitterness and delusion.
45:55What do you think of the dismissal of the case, of the solution requested by the judges who set up the trial against your brother?
46:05But you see Biagi, I have the feeling that we are on the eve of a second funeral,
46:13this time announced, by Enzo Tortola.
46:16This is my feeling and I can say that the facts give me no hope that things will happen otherwise.
46:26Obviously what I can hope for is that the plenum of the judiciary,
46:30of the Superior Council of the Judiciary which will be held tomorrow in Rome,
46:34he does not want to resign from the very high responsibility he has of restoring credibility to the judiciary.
46:44That is, to give us back an image of the judiciary in which Enzo, and not only Enzo, but all citizens, wanted to believe.
46:52What did Enzo expect after the end of his legal story?
46:55But you see, he expected what an innocent man, or rather a stranger to the events he was accused of, could expect.
47:04Once the appeal ruling and the Supreme Court sanctioned Enzo's solution,
47:13what Enzo expected, and perhaps we all expected, was that they would be indicated,
47:19Nobody wanted the heads, but the responsibilities of those responsible should be pointed out
47:28of this massacre, of the massacre of an innocent man.
47:32This is what Enzo Tortora expected, who wanted to believe in the judiciary of this country.
47:38How did that terrible experience affect your brother's life?
47:43You see, Biagi, I always remember the first letter Enzo wrote to me from Regina Celi.
47:50Enzo wrote to me, you have no idea, the wave of shock, of biological storm that occurred in
48:01me.
48:01I believe that this wave, this hurricane, this earthquake that happened in Enzo
48:09has upset his health, has loosened all his immune defenses
48:16causing him to lose first his health and then his life.
48:21The battle he wanted for a more just justice, as he said, what did it achieve?
48:29He sees in me the bitterness, the disappointment, but also the hope.
48:35Because Enzo fought until the last moment and taught me, fighting until his last
48:43and a thin thread of voice, that one must not lose heart.
48:49I believe that Enzo's case and the way Enzo behaved,
48:54has awakened consciences, has made an impact on people's consciences.
49:00I think people have opened their eyes a little and have understood.
49:07and I believe that not only me as Tortora's sister, not only Tortora's family
49:12Let them await this answer, but let many millions of people await tomorrow's answer.
49:19Enzo's fight will continue through the establishment of the radical foundation
49:24which was formed just in these days and of which public notice will be given shortly.
49:32It's been almost a year since his death, do we still remember him?
49:36Yes, I think so, Biangi. I think people not only remember it,
49:41but Enzo Tortora left an indelible mark on the conscience of many people.
49:47Enzo said, maybe I was sleeping before, now my eyes have opened.
49:53I believe that Enzo closed his eyes with the dignity he had during his death
50:00opened the eyes of many Italian citizens.
50:05And it is also in these, it is also in solidarity, in the desire to continue fighting,
50:13A justice truly worthy of the name. I believe this is the best way we can remember Enzo.
50:19Turtledove.
50:29Good evening. After a long illness, Enzo Tortora died this morning at his home in Milan.
50:35He was 59 years old. His passing is particularly poignant, recalling the merciless ordeal he was victim of.
50:44A long, tormented, incredible story that brought the problem of justice to the forefront
50:49and which also made us reflect on our work, on the role of the mass media,
50:53for the emotional, uncritical, sometimes even violent way in which, especially at the beginning,
50:59the judicial history of Enzo Tortora was followed.
51:04On the day of Enzo Tortora's death, Biaggi remembered their meeting which took place on Christmas Day 1983 in prison,
51:15when he, crying, obsessively repeated the question
51:19why, why, why Tortora never received an answer and no one ever paid.
51:27For this reason his case must never be forgotten.
51:32On the day of Enzo Tortora's death, Biaggi remembered their meeting which took place during our work,
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