Questa puntata di Rai3 per Enzo Biagi è dedicata a Tommaso Buscetta e la mafia. Le interviste di Biagi al boss mafioso fecero il giro del mondo e appartengono alla storia della Rai. Il grande giornalista pose molta attenzione, prima sulla carta stampata poi in tv, a tutto ciò che riguardava la criminalità organizzata. Il suo impegno contro la mafia andò oltre al lavoro del cronista, volle combattere la cultura dell'omertà verso l'onorata società e la sfiducia nei confronti dello Stato. La testimonianza di Buscetta aiutò i magistrati, in particolare Giovanni Falcone, a capire cos'è la mafia e a svelare la sua struttura gerarchica: la Cupola. Biagi lo intervistò tre volte, l'ultima nel 1992 dopo la morte di Falcone e Borsellino. Nel corso della puntata anche la testimonianza del giovane Gianni De Gennaro, allora vicequestore di Polizia, che per primo raccolse le confidenze di Buscetta.
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00:09Music
00:41Biaggi has always paid close attention to everything concerning organised crime,
00:48first in print and then on TV.
00:521961 Biaggi becomes director of the news program, he turns it inside out.
00:58In addition to changing the management which is entrusted to a journalist and no longer to an announcer,
01:05bring cameras to the squares, to the places where events happen.
01:111962 Biaggi creates together with journalists Brando Giordani, Aldo Falivena, Emanuele Milano,
01:20Ugo Gregoretti, Fabiano Fabiani, Giuseppe Lisi and his lifelong friend, Sergio Zavoli,
01:26the first RT television news magazine.
01:42In the first episode, in addition to an important interview by Biaggi with the mayor of Berlin,
01:49Willi Brandt, Biaggi sends a young envoy, Gianni Biziak, to Corleone,
01:55a town 60 kilometers from Palermo, where Luciano Liggio, Totò Riina, Bernardo Provenzano were born,
02:04but also the town of Placido Rizzotto, the trade unionist killed in 1948 by the mafia.
02:12Let's see how Biaggi presented the investigation into the mafia.
02:17We must overcome fear.
02:19Giacomo Maugeri tells the story of a young man whom the police brought before his father's body.
02:29It's a face I think I've seen a few times in my neighborhood, was the young man's reply,
02:35but I don't know who he is.
02:37We dedicate our report on the Mafia to that citizen of Corleone
02:42who wasn't afraid to tell some truths in front of the camera.
02:47Biziak's work caused quite a stir and was picked up the next day by all the newspapers.
02:53It aired on March 31, 1962, titled Report from Corleone.
03:00Let's look at a passage.
03:01We enter Corleone.
03:03It is a large agricultural center 60 kilometers from Palermo.
03:0615,000 inhabitants, 4,000 illiterates, 3,000 unemployed.
03:11The agrarian reform and the numerous initiatives undertaken by the State and the region
03:16to resolve the country's crisis they have not given the results that were expected,
03:20because here an invisible and feared presence seems to paralyze everything.
03:26Unfortunately, the history of Corleone can be read on the gravestones in the cemetery rather than on the streets.
03:32And so we interviewed the village gravedigger first.
03:36Look, this is a fresh tomb, a new tomb from Corleone.
03:39Today, right here in Corleone, a man was killed by a wolf.
03:43Yes, yes.
03:44Look, but a lot of people die this way.
03:46As?
03:47Many are killed.
03:48It's what you want, every now and then something happens, right?
03:50Yes, so of these dead who rest in this cemetery, how many do you think?
03:55What percentage could be dead?
03:57I think there will be a...
04:01There will be 20%.
04:03Died a violent death?
04:04Eh.
04:0420%?
04:05Yes.
04:06It's no secret that interviews are filmed several times, to then choose the best one.
04:11We also repeated the interview, but in the meantime two strangers approached us.
04:16Listen to how the tone of the answers changes.
04:18This is a fresh grave, isn't it?
04:19Yes, yes.
04:20And just today he died here in Corleone, he was killed.
04:23Yes, yes.
04:24Who is?
04:24It's a throw from Palermo Bernardo.
04:27I understand.
04:27Do many die this way?
04:28But no, I swear, because it was a, I don't know, an oversight, more than a raise, it was this.
04:38An oversight.
04:40How many oversights, how many strange combinations, how many deaths by mistake.
04:44Since the post-war period, a mayor, two hospital directors and a doctor have been killed in the Corleone area.
04:52mutual aid, a captain of the Carabinieri, a trade unionist and around 200 farmers, shepherds, workers and unemployed.
05:0156 were killed in the city center.
05:05And no one has ever counted the number of missing.
05:07If a man goes missing, the family often doesn't turn to the police to look for him.
05:13The family is silent.
05:14Everyone is silent.
05:15This is the law of the mafia.
05:18And this is also the misery of Corleone.
05:27Biaggi's commitment against the mafia went beyond his work as a reporter.
05:33It was to combat the culture of silence towards honorable society and distrust towards the State.
05:41We dedicate two episodes, I'd say three, to Enzo Biaggi, to organized crime and those who fought it.
05:54Today's story has a protagonist, Tommaso Buscetta, defined in many ways from Robin Hood to the boss of the two
06:02worlds,
06:03considered the first deep throat of the mafia.
06:07Don Masino, another nickname, helped the magistrates, in particular Giovanni Falcone,
06:13to understand what the mafia is and to reveal its hierarchical structure.
06:18When he talks about family, he means the mafia family of which he was the godfather, the boss.
06:26Let's hear what Biaggi said about Tommaso Buscetta's repentance on TG17.
06:35Meanwhile, it seems inappropriate to me to call him a repentant, Buscetta was a mafioso, he is a mafioso, let's say,
06:42of another school of thought.
06:45He is someone who spoke out when he saw the failure of a certain idea that even included certain values.
06:52Then Buscetta, when we were alone, told me that when we get to the other side,
06:57he added, I will be there first and I will give you some names of people who were involved with the little
07:04honored society,
07:06she will be amazed too.
07:07And that meant that there were conversations he couldn't have, in fact even with Falcone,
07:13At a certain point he said let's stop, I can't go any further, he can't go any further
07:18not even her as a magistrate.
07:24Gianni De Gennaro, then vice-questor, was the first to collect the confidences of Tommaso Buscetta,
07:31encouraging him to let go of the past.
07:35It was De Gennaro and his deputy Antonio Manganelli who brought him to Italy from Brazil in 1984.
07:43Once he arrived in Italy, he began to collaborate with the magistrate Giovanni Falcone, examining magistrate in Palermo.
07:51Let's see direct line, broadcast on March 1, 1985, guest is Gianni De Gennaro.
07:59Dr. De Gennaro, how do you remember your meeting with Tommaso Buscetta?
08:04I remember it with a bit of fear for the adventure we were about to embark on,
08:12this mysterious journey back to Italy with many uncertainties,
08:17with a history behind it that I didn't know,
08:22an illness of the prisoner due to his suicide attempt,
08:29uncertainty about his health, difficulty in facing this journey.
08:34I particularly remember the difficulties we had at the airport on departure.
08:39for the security measures that were rightly adopted by the Brazilian police.
08:44What was Buscetta doing in Brazil? Who identified him?
08:48This was a Brazilian police investigation,
08:51a very long investigation, probably quite successful too
08:56due to a series of circumstances and pre-existing investigations initiated by the Italian police
09:01who put their Brazilian colleagues on the right track.
09:05Exactly his business in Brazil,
09:08according to what we have learned from the preliminary investigations
09:11carried out by the judiciary in Italy during the interrogations of Buscetta,
09:14it was mainly an agricultural activity.
09:18If you had to describe him as a man, what kind of man is Buscetta?
09:25I was in contact with Buscetta for about five months
09:28for reasons related to my profession.
09:32I would say he has a very big personality,
09:35he has a great will too,
09:36He demonstrated this in small ways during his time in prison.
09:40and during the period in which it was available
09:44of the Italian police authority and judiciary.
09:46She managed to make him break one of the fundamental rules of the mafia,
09:51the silence, during the journey from Rio de Janeiro to Italy.
09:56What did you say to each other?
09:57What did she say to him to finally get him to talk?
10:00In reality, Buscetta already had a very specific intention.
10:05I was probably the occasional instrument
10:08of connection, of link between Buscetta and the Italian judiciary.
10:13There is no murder charge against him.
10:17So what illegal activities is he accused of?
10:21We must refer to the charges for which the arrest warrant is issued.
10:24He is accused of mafia-style criminal association,
10:29416 bis, and criminal association aimed at drug trafficking.
10:34These are the charges pending against him based on the arrest warrants
10:38for whom the arrest was extradited from Brazil to Italy.
10:40In fact, I would like to point out that he was extradited, if I remember correctly,
10:45for the specific charge of drug trafficking.
10:51Biagi interviews Buscetta three times.
10:55The first was in 1986 for the Spot program.
11:00The interview takes place by telephone.
11:03That year Biagi wrote the book
11:05The boss is alone, the true story of a real godfather.
11:10It was a great editorial success, awarded the Bancarella prize.
11:14The other two interviews are with the video presence of Buscetta,
11:19obscured beyond recognition, obviously for security reasons.
11:25made in the USA.
11:27The first in 1988, the other in 1992 after the death of Falcone and Borsellino.
11:36Let's hear how Biagi introduced the boss of the two worlds.
11:41Buscetta is the first member of Cosa Nostra who has spoken out
11:44and which allowed Judge Falcone and us to understand how it is organised
11:50the so-called honorable society, who is in charge, how decisions are made.
11:56Buscetta is not a repentant, he is a man who believed in certain things,
12:00for better or for worse, to certain values and that at a certain point he found himself
12:06without anything, without those ideals that, let's call them that,
12:10since he was a boy, he had followed it all his life paying very high prices.
12:16In Buscetta the men of honor killed two of his sons,
12:22they killed his brother and his nephew,
12:25they killed her daughter's husband, they killed her brother-in-law.
12:30The children have disappeared into thin air.
12:33Buscetta spoke when it was best for him to remain silent.
12:38because his old friends told him that if he was acting crazy,
12:42if he said that what he had said was unreliable,
12:45they would have filled it with lots and lots of money.
12:50Buscetta lives in America.
12:51Every now and then at Christmas he sends me his greetings and good wishes
12:56and sometimes the difficult moments of Italian life call me
12:59to know something.
13:02I don't know where Buscetta lives, I don't know, I don't want to know.
13:06It would be too much of a burden for me.
13:08I know he's quite unhappy because he misses our country.
13:14I think he misses Sicily.
13:17But he knows, and I know, that if he returned to Italy it would be the end.
13:25On the eve of Biagi's first interview with Buscetta
13:29another mafia boss begins to collaborate with Giovanni Falcone,
13:34Antonino Calderone.
13:36His revelations led to the arrest of 200 mafiosi.
13:41He revealed the existence of the Catania mafia relationship
13:45with the four horsemen of the Apocalypse,
13:49nickname that Pippo Fava had attributed in his editorial
13:54on the first issue of Sicilians to building contractors
13:58Finocchiaro, Graci, Costanzo and Rendo,
14:02whose contracts in Sicily were guaranteed by Cosa Nostra.
14:07The article condemned Fava to death.
14:10The instigator of the murder was the head of the Catania mafia Nitto Santa Paola.
14:17Buscetta had understood that he could trust Biagi
14:21because he wasn't a journalist looking for a scoop.
14:26Let's see the interview broadcast on March 29, 1988
14:31in this case, a co-production between TG1 and Rai 1.
14:37What is this just and honorable mafia for you?
14:41What was it?
14:42Yes, what was it?
14:45Well, I'll tell you the truth,
14:49I have never believed in Cosa Nostra.
14:52It's a fact that...
14:55I know what your next question will be.
14:58I have never believed in organization,
15:01only that he gave me...
15:03He never believed in it but he got in.
15:05I entered it and lived there.
15:08I lived there.
15:09He knew her very well.
15:10I knew her very well.
15:11Without becoming a boss he knew more than the bosses.
15:14Well, yes, that's true.
15:18He participated in decisions.
15:20I participated in decisions.
15:22Maybe he even took part in some events.
15:25Well, I don't remember that.
15:27I don't remember.
15:28But then, what is the mafia?
15:31The mafia was something that had to be constituted
15:37a weapon against state oppression
15:43when it was created.
15:46As time went by this thing deteriorated
15:49because it was no longer necessary
15:50fight against the state.
15:52But the symbol remained
15:54and so there were people left.
15:56And when I joined
15:58which for me was a curiosity
16:00join
16:01I noticed that
16:03there was none of that
16:05that's what I thought.
16:07But there's no going back
16:09after the oath.
16:10There is no going back.
16:11Have you ever fixed anyone up?
16:14Fixed in the sense?
16:16To fix it?
16:17To get him some good deals?
16:20Using that power she had?
16:22No, really to get a good deal?
16:24I don't remember at the moment.
16:26But I have fixed many people
16:27as a job.
16:29I fixed it.
16:30Listen, Calderone mentioned the name
16:32of some politician.
16:33Not her.
16:34Why didn't I know?
16:35Why didn't he want to?
16:39Doctor Biaggi
16:41I
16:44to the Italian investigators
16:45I told facts.
16:48All the facts?
16:49I didn't say any names.
16:50All the facts?
16:51No, not all the facts.
16:53I didn't say any names.
16:55Calderone will know them
16:56I have nothing to
16:58to be able to add
17:00to what I have already said.
17:03She has no memory?
17:05She didn't know?
17:07She didn't want to?
17:09How come I didn't want to?
17:10I have no memory.
17:12I have the memory.
17:13Only there are some ingredients
17:17that need to be mixed
17:19at the right time.
17:21It can't be done
17:23a cake
17:24all
17:24at the same time.
17:25But if the time comes
17:26she puts something on
17:27in the oven
17:28or not?
17:29I have always answered
17:30to all questions
17:31that were done to me.
17:32What were the old rules?
17:34that today
17:34are no longer respected
17:36in addition to that
17:36to respect children
17:38for example?
17:41the relatives
17:42of those
17:42who were accused
17:44look, I'll give you an example
17:45she tried
17:46in his life
17:47on his person
17:49what does it mean
17:49No?
17:50I tried
17:51Yes
17:51then it was respected
17:53this rule or not?
17:55When she entered it
17:56until 1963
18:01and it is precisely
18:02to 1963
18:03that I want to refer to
18:04I tell her
18:05an episode
18:06known
18:07in 1963
18:09there was
18:10a great war
18:11of the mafia
18:11in Palermo
18:13but
18:14my children
18:16and the children
18:16of everyone
18:17they were involved
18:19in this war
18:20of the mafia
18:20my brothers
18:21my brothers
18:22my grandchildren
18:23everyone was going
18:24to do at school
18:25and these too
18:27opponents
18:28which we believed
18:30rightly so
18:32of beings
18:33abject
18:33And
18:35they respected
18:37our families
18:38Who broke it?
18:39the truce?
18:40Who broke it?
18:40this pact
18:41let's call it that
18:42of honor?
18:42Who broke it?
18:44Meaning what
18:45what are we talking about now?
18:47Meaning what
18:47who started it?
18:48to kill
18:49the children
18:49of the opponents
18:51the relatives
18:52of the opponents?
18:52Well
18:53this new lever
18:54which isn't that new after all
18:56because they will have more or less
18:58my age
18:58you didn't kill
18:59I'm telling you to say
19:00old mafia
19:01the carabinieri
19:02the magistrates
19:04the journalists
19:05I challenge
19:06I challenge you to find
19:06some murders
19:08of this kind
19:08even in remote times
19:10Cauldron
19:11is presented
19:12like a repentant
19:13How do you consider yourself?
19:16I
19:16I don't consider myself
19:18a repentant
19:19I have never
19:20renegade
19:21of having been
19:22a mafioso
19:23And still be?
19:25I am
19:26in my own way
19:27I still am
19:28Who is a mafioso?
19:30What habits does he have?
19:31How does he dress?
19:32How does it behave?
19:33can you describe it to me please?
19:37Who does he love?
19:38What does he want?
19:39What are you looking for?
19:41A man
19:43a man on the back of a mule
19:45or a man
19:46that he wears
19:47a jacket
19:48a thousand dollars
19:49bought
19:49in Fitteveni
19:52both
19:53they are distinguishable
19:55for the manner
19:57to bring closer
19:58the next one
20:01the mafioso
20:02near
20:03the contact
20:04the relationship
20:05because from this relationship
20:08will arise
20:09the future interest
20:11so it's lovable
20:12and courteous
20:14looking for a relationship
20:17even high local
20:18if it is possible
20:19and when you reach them
20:22he is jealous
20:23you don't show them off
20:26he doesn't let them see them
20:28he wishes
20:29be discreet
20:30Also
20:31being discreet
20:33of other people's things
20:34why is that so
20:35that will teach her
20:36to others
20:37how to behave
20:39she's speaking
20:41what did he get?
20:42Bucetta?
20:43Very
20:45I freed myself
20:46from a weight
20:47that I was carrying
20:48for many years
20:49and also why
20:51I felt
20:52inconsistent
20:53with myself
20:55as you see
20:56his future
21:01I live today
21:03I don't want to think
21:04to the future
21:05Here you are
21:06he is always convinced
21:07that things
21:08that sooner or later
21:09they will reach her
21:10once
21:11she had almost
21:12this certainty
21:13No
21:13once
21:14I have it today
21:15I'll have it tomorrow
21:17I am sure
21:20That
21:22they are looking for the trace
21:24more labile
21:25to be able to meet me
21:28Why
21:29is meeting me
21:31that they
21:31they will be able to give
21:32an answer
21:34in the bosom
21:35to the organization
21:39Therefore
21:40I have been
21:41declared
21:43to death
21:45my condemnation already
21:47was
21:47issued
21:50and for a long time
21:51some time ago
21:51not because
21:53I was sorry
21:54which then
21:55repentant
21:56they are not
21:57but only
21:58Why
21:58it was annoying
22:00to mine
22:00personality
22:03she says
22:04I am not
22:04repentant
22:05then what
22:05things?
22:07I am
22:08a person
22:10that I had to
22:12as I said
22:13a little while ago
22:13not mincing words
22:15I had to do
22:17an act
22:18resounding
22:20and ostensive
22:23I had to show
22:25to everyone
22:25What
22:26I was doing
22:27I have never
22:28made a letter
22:30to a judge
22:33anonymous
22:35now that I'm here
22:36decided
22:37I did it
22:37because everyone
22:38could see
22:40what
22:41I was
22:41doing
22:42it's because
22:43that is
22:44gave way
22:45Yes
22:45to leave
22:46open
22:47the door
22:47to someone
22:49that would have
22:50had to follow
22:51my example
22:51one of these
22:53It's Calderone
22:53the harm they have done
22:55to his children
22:56and his relatives
22:57that's what
22:58somehow
22:58he induced it
22:59to speak
23:01it was the reason
23:02of his conversion
23:05No
23:07That
23:12undoubtedly
23:13what happened
23:14to my children
23:15it's a thing
23:18very terrible
23:21even today
23:22I don't know
23:22where are my children
23:24buried
23:24nor if they are
23:25many seriously
23:28it's a thing
23:29Very
23:29terrible
23:30but
23:36I could have
23:38After
23:39the disappearance
23:40of my children
23:43to revive
23:44the law
23:44of the retaliation
23:46an eye for an eye
23:47tooth by tooth
23:48I was in the condition
23:49to do it
23:51I could do it
23:54I could exploit
23:55my influence
23:56little
23:56a lot
23:57what was
23:57Still
23:58to be able to exploit it
24:00but surely
24:04winning
24:05or losing
24:05I should have
24:06DESCEND
24:07to compromises
24:08that once again
24:10they would have been
24:11inconsistent with me
24:13and I
24:14I didn't feel like it
24:15more
24:15to be
24:17agree
24:18with this
24:19gang
24:20of assassins
24:23those who are
24:24remained mafiosi
24:25they could
24:26continue
24:27to exercise
24:28their power
24:28if they hadn't
24:30of the supports
24:30politicians
24:31and certain politicians
24:33they would have
24:33the same strength
24:35if they couldn't
24:36to count
24:36on the support
24:37of the mafia
24:38think about his
24:39experiences
24:39I
24:40I
24:41I'm thinking about it
24:42to my experiences
24:42but it's a fact
24:43very strange
24:44Why
24:47in Sicily
24:49we were voting
24:51Alone
24:52agree
24:53to some standards
24:54precise
24:56even though
24:56if
24:57the honorable
25:00in the running
25:02he was a fascist
25:04if he were a Christian Democrat
25:06or
25:06is
25:07as long as it was
25:08on your side
25:09as long as it was
25:10supported
25:11from the guy
25:13in auspicious
25:14at that time
25:17Therefore
25:18but from this
25:19what came of it
25:20I don't know
25:21if she
25:22was called
25:23again
25:23to testify
25:24he believes he wouldn't have
25:26absolutely nothing
25:26to add
25:29Dr. Biaggi
25:30let's say that
25:32it is answered
25:33What
25:34for what
25:35it's in time
25:37due
25:37if in the future
25:39they called me
25:40Still
25:40and I would have
25:41other things
25:42to add
25:42I would do it
25:43I'd love that
25:45Who is Tommaso Buscetta?
25:47with which
25:48I'm talking
25:49Today
25:49Certainly
25:50very different
25:51by Tommaso Buscetta
25:53from other times
25:54ninth
25:55No
25:55it's the same
25:56Tommaso Buscetta
25:57can change
25:59the category
26:00can change
26:02once
26:02I was a mafioso
26:03Now
26:04to put it bluntly
26:06as they say
26:07my enemies
26:08I'm a spy
26:09I'm a cop
26:10I am
26:13a person
26:14what makes you do
26:15of the processes
26:16Therefore
26:18can change
26:19in this sense
26:19it's outside
26:20but inside
26:22Tommaso Buscetta
26:23remains the same
26:24it's always
26:25remained the same
26:26don't forget
26:28that for love
26:29to my family
26:30I tried
26:31suicide
26:32When
26:33all the doctors
26:34of the world
26:35they say
26:35that when a person
26:37tries to commit suicide
26:39it's because
26:40he's crazy
26:40I
26:41even today
26:43I'm not crazy
26:44I was able to do it
26:45this gesture
26:46because I don't know
26:47means
26:48gestures
26:49for love
26:50to my family
26:50what he believes in
26:52Tommaso Buscetta?
26:54believes in dignity
26:56in dignity
26:58human
26:58very rare
26:59to meet
27:00and when you meet
27:02it is a precious asset
27:06the testimony
27:08by Tommaso Buscetta
27:09it was fundamental
27:10during the maxi-trial
27:12from Palermo
27:13started in 1986
27:15and concluded
27:17with the sentence
27:17of Cassation
27:18in 1992
27:21one of the moments
27:23more intense
27:23it was the comparison
27:25between Don Masino
27:26and Pippo Calò
27:27the cashier
27:28of the mafia
27:29and boss
27:30of the gang
27:31of Porta Nuova
27:32to which it belonged
27:34Buscetta himself
27:35it's him
27:36the strangler
27:37of the two sons
27:38by Buscetta
27:39as he declared
27:40in 2004
27:41the collaborator
27:42of justice
27:43Salvatore Cancemi
27:45involved
27:46in the attack
27:47of Capaci
27:48that after
27:49the arrest
27:49of Calò
27:50had become
27:51the regent
27:52of Porta Nuova
27:53he talks about the commission
27:55under the boss
27:56of chief
27:57me alone
27:58I only know
27:59these things
28:00just for having seen
28:01and read
28:02a book
28:02the godfather
28:04just this
28:05they remind me
28:06these words
28:07commission
28:08boss
28:08underboss
28:09of something else
28:10I don't know what to say
28:11I knew
28:12the woman
28:12first wife
28:13and I have to tell the truth
28:14if I have any idea
28:14a woman
28:14there are few of them
28:16my wife
28:16when he looked for it
28:17that are compartments
28:18my children
28:18he couldn't be found
28:20my wife
28:22the mother of the two
28:23by Antonio
28:24he looked for it
28:25throughout Palermo
28:26asking me
28:27on the phone
28:28I'm looking for Pippo
28:29you hear
28:30don't look for it in Pippo
28:31because who knows
28:32he has something to do
28:33my wife
28:34he looked for it
28:34throughout Palermo
28:35to say
28:36Goofy
28:36it's of interest
28:37where I am from
28:37my children
28:38and he
28:39he couldn't be found
28:44before seeing
28:45the second meeting
28:46between Biagi
28:47and Muscetta
28:48let's look
28:49a short piece
28:50taken from the broadcast
28:52mafia lessons
28:53of Tg2
28:54on air
28:56June 23rd
28:571992
28:58authors
29:00Alberto La Volpe
29:01and Giovanni Falcone
29:02killed
29:04on the eve
29:05of the first episode
29:06the armchair
29:07alongside
29:08to that of La Volpe
29:09destined for Falcone
29:11will remain
29:12in honor of the judge
29:13empty
29:14for all seven episodes
29:16for the record
29:17in the fifth
29:18will participate
29:19Paolo Borsellino
29:21in connection
29:22from Palermo
29:23three days before
29:24of the massacre
29:25of Via D'Amelio
29:26mafia lessons
29:27would deserve it
29:28to be reviewed
29:29Unfortunately
29:31beyond
29:32of words
29:32of the politician
29:33on duty
29:34in 28 years
29:36little
29:36and nothing
29:37it has changed
29:38in the fight
29:38the mafia
29:39the document
29:41that we will see
29:41Now
29:42it's exceptional
29:43were the
29:44American investigators
29:45through Falcone
29:47to provide it
29:48at RAI
29:51Before
29:52and only time
29:53that thanks to
29:54micro spie
29:55was recorded
29:57the sound
29:57of an oath
29:58to enter
30:00in the organization
30:01secret
30:02it's our thing
30:03American
30:04but the ritual
30:05traces
30:06Exactly
30:07that
30:08of the mafia
30:08Sicilian
30:09I want
30:10English
30:11it means
30:11that I want
30:12to be
30:12in this
30:13organization
30:15in this
30:17organization
30:17to protect
30:18to protect
30:19my family
30:20and also
30:21to protect
30:22our
30:23family
30:23or to protect
30:24our
30:25family
30:25my
30:28organization
30:29in this
30:29mafia
30:29and in this
30:31mafia
30:34in Sicily
30:35in Sicily
30:36in Sicily
30:36in Sicily
30:38and the only one
30:39in which
30:40we are
30:40out
30:40he is dead
30:42no matter
30:42what
30:44it's no
30:45hope
30:45no Jesus
30:46no Madonna
30:47nobody can
30:48help us
30:49if we ever
30:50give this secret
30:53to anybody
30:54any kind
30:54of mind
30:59the second
31:00interview
31:01by Biagia
31:02Buscetta
31:02It's the 24th
31:03July
31:041992
31:05Toto
31:06Riina
31:07Still
31:07fugitive
31:08will come
31:09arrested
31:10in January
31:1093
31:11in the meantime
31:13he killed
31:13the Christian Democrat
31:15Salvo Lima
31:15the man of
31:16Andreotti
31:17in Sicily
31:17Falcon
31:18and Borsellino
31:19in the interview
31:20Buscetta
31:21will speak
31:22of his
31:22relationship
31:23with Giovanni
31:24Falcon
31:25We see
31:25Tomaso Buscetta
31:26she one day
31:28he said
31:28with Falcone
31:29let's decide
31:30which of us two
31:30must die
31:31first
31:32Why
31:35Giovanni Falcone
31:37poor thing
31:37that in peace
31:38and rest
31:39he wanted to undertake
31:41a road
31:42that he spoke
31:43of politics
31:45if already
31:46it's a problem
31:47speak
31:48of Cosa Nostra
31:49because there aren't any
31:51evidence
31:52because they don't exist
31:52to weave
31:53they don't exist
31:54activity
31:55of notary
31:55if already
31:56a difficulty
31:58to speak
31:59of the mafia
31:59imagine a little
32:01speak
32:01of politics
32:02where are they
32:03the evidence
32:04it would have been
32:05how to have invented us
32:07I
32:08or him
32:08some things
32:09who was
32:10File
32:11in her opinion
32:12File
32:13era
32:21a politician
32:22a politician
32:23that I
32:24I met
32:25over the years
32:2660
32:2761
32:28when he
32:28he was mayor
32:29from Palermo
32:30when it wasn't
32:30still entered
32:31in the big tour
32:32of honorable
32:33I met
32:35but
32:36what I can say
32:38of Lima
32:38it is in that era
32:40File
32:41Still
32:42they didn't know
32:43what was it
32:44the tangent
32:45and he
32:45he didn't receive
32:46tangent
32:47he did it to him
32:48any favors?
32:49him personally
32:50he didn't do it to me
32:51some favors
32:51because I had
32:52mine too
32:54in
32:55the town hall
32:56from Palermo
32:57that they were
32:57our thing
32:58really
32:59a
33:00he was the advisor
33:01of my family
33:02it was called
33:03Joseph Trapani
33:04he was a councilor
33:05of my family
33:05and advisor
33:06municipal
33:08and Ciancimino
33:09what type is he?
33:10look
33:11I from Ciancimino
33:12I do not have
33:12what to say
33:13but I believe
33:15that it was
33:15the cause
33:16of his misfortunes
33:17having said
33:18that Pippo Galò
33:20he told me
33:20that Ciancimino
33:21it was in the hands
33:22of the Corleonesi
33:23but other things
33:24I have nothing to say
33:25on Ciancimino
33:26with Falcone
33:27he spoke
33:27recently?
33:29No
33:29I spoke
33:30with Falcone
33:31but I spoke
33:33with Falcone
33:33I believe
33:34environment
33:34at 89
33:3788
33:3889
33:38Like this
33:39and then never again
33:40it was expected
33:42what happened?
33:44to tell the truth
33:45Yes
33:46and I believe
33:47that when I saw
33:48Falcon
33:49for the last time
33:49or for the penultimate time
33:52I spoke with Falcone
33:53he told her
33:54to be careful
33:55and among other things
33:56he was accompanied
33:57it seems to me
33:59by a deputy prosecutor
34:01who was called Garofalo
34:02and from a judge
34:06who was called Natoli
34:07and together with them
34:10I said
34:11to be careful
34:13for Falcone
34:13why Falcone
34:14he was a convict
34:16in his book
34:17Falcone talks about her
34:18with much respect
34:20On the contrary
34:20I can say
34:22with friendship
34:22for her
34:23Who was Falcone?
34:26what made it different
34:27from the other judges?
34:29for me Falcone
34:30it made me
34:31I met
34:32many judges
34:33in my life
34:34I met them
34:35Americans
34:36I have met some
34:36Argentines
34:37I have met some
34:37Brazilians
34:38and I met
34:39of all kinds
34:40but in Falcone
34:42I saw
34:43the dynamism
34:45of thought
34:47the evolution
34:48of the investigation
34:50and the evolution
34:51of a word
34:52to whom
34:54him immediately
34:55with his mind
34:58I would say
34:59from elephant
35:00right away
35:02he perceived
35:03the value
35:03of that
35:04that I
35:04I meant to say
35:05and in fact
35:07he was the only one
35:08who had
35:09perfectly
35:11Understood
35:11When
35:12I meant to say
35:14What
35:15means dome
35:17What
35:18does it mean dome?
35:19dome
35:19it means
35:20That
35:21every three families
35:23if we understand
35:24What
35:24they are families
35:25the families
35:26they are groups
35:27of the groups
35:28of how many people
35:30in general?
35:31can launch
35:32from 300
35:34at 50
35:34there is no
35:36there is no
35:36a stability
35:37how many mafiosi
35:38there will be
35:39in Sicily?
35:42how many people
35:43it won't be mafia
35:44in Sicily
35:44she has to ask me
35:45No
35:45how many mafiosi
35:47there will be
35:47in Sicily
35:48Well
35:48let's go back to the dome
35:49so the dome?
35:50the dome
35:51And
35:52every three families
35:54they gather
35:54and elect
35:55a boss
35:57which is going to represent them
35:59in the commission
36:00provincial
36:01the provincial commission
36:03was headed
36:04from the lord
36:07Greek
36:08Michael Greco
36:10Therefore
36:11when I speak
36:12of dome
36:12it was him
36:13to understand
36:14first
36:15What
36:16and it is not committed
36:17homocide
36:18in Sicily
36:20without
36:21that the dome
36:22that it wasn't me
36:24it wasn't me
36:25that I invented
36:26the word dome
36:28but it was the newspapers
36:30what would you call it?
36:32the commission
36:32the commission
36:34the commission
36:35he meets
36:36and establishes
36:37that
36:38what will be done
36:39in the future
36:40or that
36:40what will be done
36:41the next day
36:42without permission
36:43of the commission
36:44nothing is done
36:45we can imagine
36:47why the commission
36:49he ordered
36:49to kill Lima
36:52Look
36:53I
36:54I imagine them
36:57but I don't intend to
36:58to say it
36:59because they are things
37:00that I can't
37:02to delve into
37:03because I don't want to
37:05create
37:06assumptions
37:07to say
37:08Here you are
37:08he started talking
37:10of politics
37:10No
37:10I can speak
37:12me a little
37:13of politics
37:13then I can assume
37:15for example
37:16who kills himself
37:18a politician
37:18if he did not comply
37:20certain agreements
37:21or certain agreements
37:22a judge is killed
37:24or a policeman
37:26if he is behaving
37:27in a very decisive way
37:29if he understood
37:30many things
37:31and if it can go on
37:33and procure
37:33so many troubles
37:34I said something
37:35reliable
37:36she said
37:38one thing
37:38right
37:40although
37:41in my past
37:42they don't remind us
37:43these things
37:45to kill policemen
37:47or to kill judges
37:48absolutely
37:49in my past
37:50they don't exist
37:51but in his past
37:52there are for example
37:53the decision
37:54to kill someone
37:54of yours
37:55that you didn't like
37:56of politicians
37:58No
37:58no politicians
37:59of mafiosi
38:01oh yes
38:01as
38:02Certainly
38:03Thomas
38:04are you still a mafioso?
38:07Well
38:07if she
38:08for mafioso
38:08he means
38:09a man
38:10That
38:10has
38:12has
38:14just one word
38:15who has dignity
38:16that also
38:17being
38:18they call it repentant
38:19but I'm not
38:20not at all sorry
38:21although
38:22being a collaborator
38:23of justice
38:23how do you define yourself?
38:25justice collaborator?
38:26I define myself
38:27a man
38:28disappointed
38:28from the mafia
38:30a man
38:31who lent
38:32so much
38:33so much contribution
38:35to the mafia
38:35and that he sees being killed
38:37their children
38:37into nothingness
38:38to vanish into thin air
38:39I don't believe it
38:41that there would be
38:42no father
38:43which can continue
38:45to live
38:46in an environment
38:47like this
38:48because they had decided
38:49to take away
38:51his boys?
38:52they knew
38:53how much I loved
38:54my children
38:55they knew
38:57they knew very well
38:58what would it be
39:00meaning to me
39:03to take away
39:04my children
39:05it's true that
39:06when the mafia
39:07he wants to get rid of
39:08does one always succeed?
39:09he always succeeds
39:10but it doesn't open walls
39:11this is it
39:12That
39:12the organs
39:14of the State
39:15they didn't understand
39:16that the mafia
39:16And
39:17an agent
39:19that doesn't look alike
39:20to no bandit
39:22of the world
39:23that it is
39:24Russian
39:24Colombian
39:25or Argentine
39:27the mafia
39:27they don't look alike
39:28to no one
39:29the mafia
39:29our thing
39:30it is unique
39:31there is no
39:32imitation
39:33because no one
39:34he can imitate him
39:35the mafia
39:36Wait
39:38the mafia
39:39does not open walls
39:40she told me
39:40that once
39:41you have condemned one
39:42and he always went out
39:44with the child
39:45how did it go
39:46that time?
39:47I didn't succeed
39:48to shoot us
39:49was she supposed to shoot us?
39:50I had to shoot it
39:51because he was always
39:52with his son
39:53and I couldn't scare
39:55the child
39:56at least
39:57I wasn't obliged
39:58and if I would have done it
39:59the others would have said
40:01you did wrong
40:02you scared
40:03the child
40:03and we waited
40:0412 years old
40:05then it wasn't me anymore
40:06after 12 years
40:08but we waited
40:09that the child
40:10grow
40:11did she shoot?
40:13Yes
40:15and at that moment
40:16what was in front of her?
40:17a man?
40:18an enemy?
40:21Look
40:23it was felt in a few words
40:24a vigilante
40:25or did he feel like a murderer?
40:27I felt like one
40:29that was going
40:30to do his duty
40:31towards
40:32of a community
40:33of a brotherhood
40:35I was doing
40:36what was right
40:37to do
40:39I wasn't
40:40the judge
40:41natural
40:42but I was doing
40:44that
40:44that they had ordered
40:45to do
40:48in turn
40:49I also gave
40:50order to do
40:50did they obey her?
40:52they obeyed me
40:53Yes
40:53and takes charge
40:54of those other dead?
40:56if we go down
40:58on this field
40:59I do it myself
40:59a load
41:00of many things
41:01in my life
41:01without
41:04politics
41:05the mafia
41:05would he be able to do it?
41:07Yes
41:09I have never
41:10lived
41:11through
41:11politics
41:12the mafia
41:13the mafia
41:14she served herself
41:15of politics
41:16Why
41:17because it is a force
41:20granite
41:21if she
41:23he catches a mafioso
41:24she says
41:24but this one here
41:25he's an ignoramus
41:26one thing
41:27but it's one thing
41:28ridiculous
41:28but all these
41:31ignoramuses
41:32put together
41:34I am a
41:36very great
41:37army
41:38Why
41:40among themselves
41:41they exist
41:41those
41:42bulkheads
41:43pond
41:43where it doesn't filter
41:45Nothing
41:45in Italy
41:47who understands
41:48the mafia?
41:49very few people
41:51and those
41:53who understand it
41:54if they start
41:56to go
41:56everyone
41:58she met
41:59Paul
42:00Purse?
42:02I
42:03I don't have it
42:03encountered
42:04many times
42:05I met him
42:05very few times
42:08I knew him
42:09through
42:10Doctor Falcone
42:11what he told me
42:12look
42:13Bucet
42:14I have
42:15his interrogation
42:17Then
42:17when she
42:18he finished
42:19I'll pass it
42:20to Paul
42:20Purse
42:21that he
42:21he will read it
42:22and he
42:23he will fix it
42:24and he
42:24he will see
42:25all those things
42:26that she
42:26he contradicted himself
42:27maybe
42:29he told me
42:29in a tone
42:30Of
42:33as if to say
42:34be careful
42:35then we see it
42:35in two
42:36she never has
42:37encountered
42:39physically
42:40he saw it
42:40Yes
42:40I saw it
42:41I think that
42:42I saw it
42:42I don't think so
42:43I saw it
42:44at the moment
42:45that I left
42:46Italy
42:46to come
42:48in the United States
42:49in '84
42:51why the chain
42:52of the murders
42:54continues
42:54with Borsellino
43:00I
43:01I can
43:02tell her this
43:04and I am
43:06historical data
43:07Who
43:08has
43:09intertwined
43:10the step
43:11to the
43:12Corleonesi
43:13is dead
43:15I can
43:17list
43:17I can list
43:19a
43:20era
43:22the prosecutor
43:23head of Palermo
43:24I don't remember
43:24over the years
43:2572
43:2772
43:27echelon
43:29another
43:30he is the Russian colonel
43:32another
43:33he is the captain
43:34Basile
43:35another
43:36he is the judge
43:37Newfoundland
43:37they are all
43:39people
43:39who has
43:40intertwined
43:41the path
43:43of the Corleonesi
43:44another
43:45he is a marshal
43:46retired
43:47that was
43:47withdrawn
43:48and who lived
43:49for his family
43:50calmly
43:51all these
43:52they are things
43:54That
43:54I
43:55I believe
43:55That
43:58the offices
43:59who investigate
44:00in these things
44:01they should
44:02make them stand out
44:03they are historical data
44:05there isn't one
44:06who is not dead
44:08that he didn't have
44:08what to do
44:09with
44:10the Corleonesi
44:11the Igio
44:12still counts
44:14I believe
44:15that matters
44:15less than nothing
44:18I have my doubts
44:19also for Riina
44:21we did it
44:22an idol
44:23by Riina
44:23she six years ago
44:25by Riina
44:25he told me
44:26that he was alive
44:27who was in Palermo
44:29who lived there
44:30Now
44:30the lawyer
44:31by Riina
44:32a few days ago
44:33he said
44:34what she
44:35he had told me
44:35six years ago
44:36she told me
44:37I wrote it
44:39Riina
44:39continue to stay in Palermo
44:41Look
44:42I
44:42maybe I need
44:44to hold seminars
44:45to be able to
44:47teach
44:48to others
44:49what is it
44:49the mafia mentality
44:51they don't go
44:52to shoot in Rome
44:53or they don't go
44:54to shoot in Milan
44:55not because
44:57they don't have the skills
44:59they can go
45:00how are they
45:01go shooting
45:03also in Rome
45:03but they are taken
45:05with a thousand commitments
45:06that they have
45:07in Sicily
45:08for which they wait
45:09the opportunity
45:10that will present itself
45:11in Sicily
45:11to kill
45:13his goal
45:14who is he now
45:16in Italy
45:16that runs
45:17the greatest danger?
45:20Well
45:21I would prefer
45:22don't name names
45:23Why
45:23if not it seems to me
45:24to point them out
45:25to the mafiosi
45:26run
45:27and do this
45:28but there are
45:29the people
45:30and she knows them
45:31they are my friends
45:32and his friends
45:35it can be beaten
45:36what is ours?
45:37Yes
45:37or will we never make it?
45:39it can't be beat
45:40as?
45:42what you need
45:44And
45:44Do
45:45scorched earth
45:47around them
45:47what you need
45:49And
45:50stop it
45:51with this guaranteeism
45:54the guaranteeism
45:55it's a thing
45:55it's a culture
45:56Extremely beautiful
45:57it's a thing
45:58but not when
46:00we are at war
46:00when you are at war
46:02No
46:02the guaranteeism
46:04it is valid
46:04for all people
46:05for good
46:06but not
46:07of the assassins
46:08paid
46:09like these
46:10what's the point
46:11weak of Cosa Nostra?
46:13it's not exactly
46:14the weak point
46:14of Cosa Nostra
46:15he doesn't believe that
46:16from time
46:18in which she
46:18he was in Italy
46:19have happened
46:21of the movements
46:22within
46:22of Cosa Nostra
46:24that the structure
46:25be a little
46:25changed?
46:27I think so
46:28very likely
46:29we go hunting
46:30by Salvatore Riina
46:32and I agree
46:33you have to go
46:33on the hunt
46:34by Salvatore Riina
46:35the investigators
46:36they have to do
46:37their duty
46:38but we don't know
46:41if
46:41Still
46:43it's Salvatore Riina
46:45who commands
46:47we don't have
46:49the idea
46:49is he an enemy of yours?
46:52but of course
46:53from the moment
46:55that it wasn't
46:55my enemy
46:56but from the moment
46:57that I
46:57I collaborated
46:59with justice
46:59has become
47:00my bitterest
47:02enemy
47:03who does she trust?
47:04moreover?
47:05between magistrates
47:06policemen
47:07Carabinieri?
47:10of people
47:12suitable
47:13I can't put
47:14what is the weapon
47:15but suitable people
47:17I trusted Falcone
47:19I recognized him
47:20a fair judge
47:21a judge
47:22that he was not chasing
47:24the defendant
47:25he accused
47:27who deserved it
47:28to be accused
47:29but he didn't chase
47:30the defendant
47:32taking stock
47:33which have been
47:34the moments
47:35more terrible
47:36for her?
47:37when I lost
47:38my children
47:38my brother
47:39and my niece
47:40this was
47:41the moment
47:42more terrible
47:42of my life
47:43of what
47:44do you regret it?
47:48I regret it
47:49of not being
47:50was more decisive
47:52in wanting
47:53my children
47:54with me
47:54in Brazil
47:56because I had
47:58press release
47:59to people
48:00my friends
48:01tell my children
48:02that they must not
48:04talk to them
48:04some things
48:05that we are not interested in
48:08but that's exactly it
48:09who received
48:10my phone call
48:11maybe it's one
48:12of those
48:12which brought
48:13my children
48:14to die
48:16but I don't have hate
48:17I have no grudges
48:19I want
48:19that my children
48:20let them see me
48:21over there
48:21without hate
48:23why there
48:23it's a country
48:24very nice
48:27while we
48:28let's talk
48:29they are burying
48:30five policemen
48:31what are you hoping for?
48:33Tommaso Bucetta?
48:36it's war
48:37it is not
48:38terrorism
48:40they are not here
48:42two mafias
48:43there is one
48:44and it's called
48:45our thing
48:46is this
48:48that one must
48:48fight
48:49with weapons
48:51adequate
48:52with seriousness
48:53I believe
48:55this is a first
48:56that I give for her
48:57that the mafia
48:59wheezes
49:01the mafia
49:02and to the last ones
49:04breaths
49:05the mafia
49:07these actions
49:08That
49:09the mafia
49:10she's not used to it
49:11to these actions
49:17Like this
49:18Like this
49:18big
49:18the mafia
49:20she's used to it
49:20to silence
49:21to throw the stone
49:23and hide
49:24the hand
49:26I believe
49:27that they
49:28they are doing
49:29all this
49:30For
49:31survive
49:32to demonstrate
49:33to others
49:34to those who are starting
49:35to hesitate
49:36That
49:37the mafia
49:39it still exists
49:40but I
49:41I
49:42my opinion
49:43I can be proven wrong
49:45Tomorrow
49:46and he doesn't hold it against me
49:47and he doesn't hold it against me
49:49my opinion
49:51is that the mafia
49:52he's wheezing
49:53it's next
49:54to death
49:59Tommaso Buscetta
50:00died on April 2, 2000
50:02in Florida
50:04at 71 years old
50:05for illnesses
50:06and not by hand
50:08of the mafia
50:08during Rai Tre
50:10for Enzo Biagi
50:11inevitably
50:12we talked
50:13by Giovanni Falcone
50:14between Biagi and the judge
50:16there was friendship
50:17Biagi
50:18he was at dinner
50:19in Palermo
50:20with Giovanni Falcone
50:21and Francesca Morvillo
50:22one evening
50:23of 1987
50:25when the two
50:27they went to get married
50:28at midnight
50:29like two thieves
50:31they said
50:33let's see now
50:34a passage taken
50:35from direct line
50:37the only time
50:38what a Falcon
50:38participated
50:39to a program
50:40by Biagi
50:41the next day
50:42of the end
50:43of the investigation
50:44Italian-American
50:45called
50:46Pizza Connection
50:47which brought
50:48to the arrest
50:49of all the leaders
50:50of Cosa Nostra
50:52in the United States
50:53what's the difference
50:54between a member
50:55of Cosa Nostra
50:56and a Sicilian mafioso?
50:58Cosa Nostra
50:58she was born in Sicily
50:59American Cosa Nostra
51:01that's what it's called
51:02own
51:03in the image
51:04and similarity
51:05of Cosa Nostra
51:05Sicilian
51:06even if then
51:07own
51:08for diversity
51:11deriving from
51:12from the
51:14from the nation
51:15where they lived
51:16the mafiosi
51:17Americans
51:19they acquired
51:20of the connotations
51:21details
51:22but anyway
51:23always traceable
51:24to the original hive
51:25Doctor Falcone
51:27he wants to give me
51:27a short one of his
51:28portrait
51:29of the mafioso
51:30Who is a mafioso?
51:31The Mafioso
51:32is who lends
51:33oath
51:33and becomes
51:35Therefore
51:35an affiliate
51:36of Cosa Nostra
51:37Thank you
51:41the next episode
51:43it's still
51:44dedicated
51:45to the mafia
51:45the great journalist
51:47meets
51:48the bosses
51:49of crime
51:50organized
51:51Luciano Liggio
51:52and Raffaele Cutolo
51:53and the banker
51:54Michele Sindona
51:56interviews
51:57that they brought
51:59the RAI
51:59in the world
52:00we want to close
52:02with words
52:03by Enzo Biaggi
52:04dedicated
52:05to the friend
52:06Falcon
52:07after the massacre
52:08of Capaci
52:12Biaggi
52:12She met
52:13Falcon
52:14he spoke to us
52:15even in friendship
52:16what is left for us?
52:17of him?
52:18I hope
52:19meanwhile the memory
52:20because people
52:21forget quickly
52:22then the teaching
52:23of a lifetime
52:24his extraordinary
52:26intelligence
52:27courage
52:27and also the character
52:29and also the merit
52:30to have
52:32of having given us
52:33a key
52:33to understand something
52:34moreover
52:35of that
52:35that we knew
52:37of the mafia
52:37he knew
52:39listen to Bucetta
52:40rather make him talk
52:41and they were two Sicilians
52:43that were stretching
52:44even with silences
52:45because they could
52:46to understand
52:47what meaning
52:47they had
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