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00:00Now we move on to a terrible page that begins with the complaint by Ezio Gavezzeni,
00:05he tells the Milan prosecutor's office that he is now investigating,
00:09I would like to point out to you during the so-called siege of Sarriarlievo,
00:13from Italy but also from other countries, the rich gentlemen had it brought
00:16on the heights, on the hills around the Bosnian capital
00:21who, by paying, shot the defenseless population.
00:26These gentlemen are called weekend snipers.
00:30Really instead of going to the rides to shoot to win stuffed animals
00:36we went to shoot women, children, men, defenseless people
00:40And where were they shooting from? Because they went unnoticed.
00:45Michael Giffoni was part of the diplomatic delegation,
00:49A diplomat was part of this special diplomatic delegation to Bosnia.
00:54he explains to us that the snipers when Sarriarlievo was under siege
01:00they were all around, up high, in the heights
01:03and so even if you went to buy bread
01:06or go and get water from the fountain
01:09you were at risk of dying.
01:11Our Fabrizio Franceschelli heard it with Geri Morellini.
01:16The city of Sarriarlievo was besieged
01:21and immediately they appeared, immediately they became known throughout the rest of the world
01:32of this name, Snipers.
01:35In the local language, snipers were snipers.
01:39Then firing positions were placed and created.
01:44from which of the snipers they were practically holding them under fire
01:51the entire civilian population.
02:08One of the favorite targets was the crowd
02:12who huddled in a row near the fountains
02:17because there is no running water in the house
02:22of course the only way to get water
02:26it was going to the fountains and filling these holes
02:29that we did it too as diplomats
02:32we had a status but it was of no use at that time
02:36another place was the bakers
02:40that there was a queue to get bread
02:44and at a certain point these shots were fired
02:47indiscriminately and everyone was hit
02:50the children when they left school
02:52the snipers were the nightmare
02:58and this is the usual dirty war
03:00snipers are a nightmare
03:02but here we go further
03:03we learn that there are organized trips
03:06safari, Sarajevo
03:08they take you to a comfortable place
03:09if you are safe you shoot at anyone who moves
03:12always in Gavazzeni's report
03:15let's read
03:16It was learned that there was a fee for these killings
03:20children cost more
03:22then the men better in armed uniform
03:24women, finally old men, who could be killed for free
03:28human safari is definitely an illegal hobby
03:32it's definitely very expensive
03:34and so it's easier to do it in a war zone
03:37where killings can be easily disguised
03:42years pass and it is discovered from a post
03:46that someone boasts about what he had done
03:50as if he had won a race
03:52then look at this comment
03:55we read it to you
03:56It's important because from here we get there
03:59to investigate a man who was heard
04:02last Monday in Milan
04:04from the Milan prosecutor's office
04:06dear Marianna
04:07you don't need to go to Milan to find these beasts
04:09here in the surroundings of San Vito
04:11there is a non-billionaire person
04:13which did what you described
04:15and he did it because he was a sniper
04:17he took great pleasure in it
04:19he never felt ashamed to tell it
04:21in fact he is proud of it
04:22from what he said
04:23he's been doing it for a long time
04:25he was leaving after work
04:26and he went back home on Sunday evening
04:30Who is Marianna?
04:31we'll see it soon
04:33and why there is no need to go to Milan
04:36but who is talking about Milan?
04:37there was already talk of these snipers
04:40of the weekend
04:41they went on Friday and came back home
04:43as if nothing had happened on Sunday evening
04:45it was known
04:46Michael Giffoni
04:47the diplomat is keen to point out
04:49that there were many Italians
04:51for the good people who went to bring help
04:53to those tormented populations
04:55the war next to the front door
04:58was considered
04:59there were really so many Italians
05:01who helped
05:02but he also agreed to talk about these rumors
05:05that he felt while he was there
05:07with this diplomatic delegation
05:10Franceschelli with Geri Morellini
05:13Listen, but when did he hear about it?
05:15the first time there were non-military but civilian snipers?
05:19But these voices
05:20when I arrived
05:22in the final part of the evening
05:24in the last year
05:25these voices
05:26they were already there
05:27voices present
05:29insistent
05:31and recurring
05:32sometimes
05:33completely
05:34unreliable
05:36because they are difficult to verify
05:38that they were saying
05:39they say
05:40we saw
05:41there was a car
05:42a Mercedes
05:44registered in Milan
05:45Therefore
05:46he understands that
05:47In short
05:48it was all a chase
05:51of voices
05:52and they were
05:53voices among other things
05:55that at the beginning
05:57they concerned
06:01simply
06:02the Russians
06:03at a certain point though
06:05we started talking
06:06also of presences
06:08of others
06:12civilians
06:13of other nationalities
06:16European
06:19French
06:21Germans
06:22Swiss
06:23Austrians
06:24and from a certain point
06:29onwards also
06:30Italians
06:40ispred
06:41Zemaljskog
06:42museum
06:43let's enjoy
06:45snajper
06:45but
06:46the only one
06:47let's say
06:49news
06:50reliable
06:52minimally
06:54reliable
06:55that was it
06:55which was
06:56reported
06:56to ours
06:58agents
06:59of safety
07:00on site
07:01from a
07:02agent
07:03of the services
07:04secrets
07:05Bosnians
07:06which
07:09he reported
07:10an episode
07:11Meaning what
07:12that a
07:13military
07:15or paramilitary
07:16or even
07:18voluntary
07:18Serbian
07:19it had been
07:19captured
07:20and this
07:22I had
07:23reported
07:25that he
07:26he had come
07:27from Serbia
07:28accompanying
07:30a group
07:32of foreigners
07:33which then
07:35they had
07:36stop
07:36them too
07:37in these
07:38stations
07:38and they had
07:39precisely
07:40shot
07:41and there were
07:42Also
07:43some
07:44Italians
07:51the only ones
07:53details
07:53which were
07:54provided
07:54is that
07:55This
07:56Always
07:56This
07:57military
07:58or paramilitary
08:00and Serbian
08:01he said
08:01the point
08:02of collection
08:03sorting
08:04of collection
08:06sorting
08:06and departure
08:07it was Trieste
08:08having said that
08:09but
08:10what
08:11it was done
08:12in Stareevo
08:12it was immediately
08:13from ours
08:15services
08:16that was it
08:17to communicate
08:18right away
08:18this report
08:21at the controls
08:22in Rome
08:22and this
08:23it was done
08:24but it was not known
08:25nothing about it
08:26to these
08:26Italian snipers
08:28at the start
08:29they were talking
08:29above all
08:30of hunters
08:31Here you are
08:32This
08:32which was
08:32they are hunters
08:34Europeans
08:35what are they going to do
08:36the jokes
08:38hunting
08:39these then
08:40After
08:40they come
08:41accompanied
08:42these things
08:43this
08:44which was
08:44the first
08:45voice
08:45Then
08:45from there
08:46they arrived
08:47other voices
08:47for example
08:48it was always said
08:49oh no
08:49but they are rich people
08:50because they pay
08:51but about this thing
08:52of the price list
08:54some things
08:54us
08:57let's say
08:57we have it
08:59learned
09:00from that
09:01which came after
09:02but it's not that
09:03we had
09:05confirmations
09:05of prices
09:07and things
09:20the prosecutor's office
09:21of Milan
09:22it's moving
09:22Now
09:23to search
09:23to find
09:26other responsible persons
09:28And
09:29Also
09:29of contacts
09:30with witnesses
09:31who saw it
09:32could have
09:33one of its usefulness
09:34in this sense
09:34the information
09:36what are you doing?
09:37with whoever saw it
09:38it is definitely
09:40useful
09:40I hope
09:42that something
09:42can come out
09:44from the investigation
09:45of Milan
09:46and that there are
09:47of the elements
09:48that they can be
09:51actually
09:52investigated
09:53and can bring
09:54even to something
09:55more concrete
09:57it is absolutely necessary
09:58to try
10:00also because
10:01let's not forget
10:02that we are talking about here
10:02of crimes
10:04that go
10:06that can
10:07to be persecuted
10:08Always
10:08and from anyone
10:10why we talk
10:11of crimes
10:12against humanity
10:26then let's thank you
10:27Michael Giffoni
10:28I repeat it
10:29he kept us
10:30to clarify
10:30right
10:31how many
10:31from Italy
10:32they left
10:33to go
10:34to help
10:35which was
10:36that
10:36the important thing
10:37Now
10:38you heard
10:39speak
10:40from Trieste
10:41then of an owner
10:42of a Mercedes
10:43registered in Milan
10:45and that's all
10:46to be verified
10:47what he's doing
10:48the prosecutor's office
10:49of Milan
10:50the first suspect
10:50a man
10:5180 years old
10:52how to get there
10:53to him
10:53we're arriving
10:54from that post
10:55that we read to you
10:56Before
10:56dear Mariana
10:57Mariana
10:58it's Mariana
10:59Maiorino
10:59a journalist
11:01who accepted
11:02to talk to us
11:03with ours
11:03Marina Borrometi
11:05and explains to us
11:05What
11:06it happened
11:08among the names
11:09of the first suspects
11:11came out
11:12in this investigation
11:13terrible
11:13on the alleged
11:14snipers
11:14in Sarajevo
11:15there is one
11:17where you arrived
11:18thanks to your work
11:19tell us
11:19how did it go
11:20then it went
11:21that in July
11:23early July
11:23last year
11:24I have decided
11:25to go on vacation
11:26in Bosnia
11:27in Herzegovina
11:283-4 days
11:28because I have the passion
11:29for the pyramids
11:30Bosnian
11:30so I went
11:31actually in Vissocco
11:32and then with the excuse
11:33I stretched out
11:34also in Sarajevo
11:34why can't you not go
11:36to visit
11:37Sarajevo too
11:37on that trip
11:38I met
11:39a person
11:40that when he understood
11:41that I was a journalist
11:42he spoke to me
11:43he is a Bosnian
11:45of this matter
11:47of snipers
11:48telling me
11:49the snipers
11:49they are not just those
11:50that they did it
11:52for trades
11:53mercenaries
11:53but there were also
11:54of civilians
11:55Italians
11:57French
11:58Russians
11:59people told me
12:00very very rich
12:01willing to pay
12:02crazy numbers
12:04to be able to come
12:05here in our territory
12:08to come to Sarajevo
12:08to shoot
12:09to the citizens
12:11so I stayed
12:12Truly
12:14impressed
12:15when I came back
12:16in Italy
12:16I started studying
12:18all that
12:18that I could
12:19on this phenomenon
12:21I try to put
12:22a little together
12:22the pieces
12:23I gather a lot of information
12:24that they gave me
12:25awareness of the fact
12:27that was true
12:28this story
12:29of snipers
12:29or anyway
12:30that there were
12:30of the elements
12:32royals
12:33I'm making a post
12:34Therefore
12:35on my social media
12:37in which I tell
12:38what I'm telling you
12:39from my trip
12:40until this discovery
12:42with references
12:43in the moment
12:44where I load it
12:45on social media
12:45start
12:47among the various
12:48how disgusting
12:49what a shame
12:50etc.
12:50a post instead
12:52which is something completely different
12:53tenor
12:54and what does he tell me?
12:55dear Marianna
12:56do you want to read it to us?
12:58he says
12:58dear Marianna
12:59you don't need to go to Milan
13:00to find these wild beasts
13:02and surroundings
13:03of San Vito
13:04there is a person
13:05not a billionaire
13:06what he was doing
13:06as you described
13:08and he did it
13:09because he
13:09being a sniper
13:10he took great pleasure in it
13:12he never felt ashamed
13:14to tell it
13:15On the contrary
13:15he is proud of it
13:16from what he said
13:17he's been doing it for a long time
13:18he was going away
13:19after work
13:20and he went back home
13:21Sunday evening
13:23eh
13:25words
13:27words
13:27what they did to me
13:29give me the shivers
13:30I contacted
13:31this
13:32this person
13:34and I asked her
13:35In short
13:35to do myself a little
13:36the description
13:37of this
13:37of this
13:38of this person
13:39he never told me his name
13:40she never told me
13:41who was
13:42eh exactly
13:43but he seemed to know him
13:45yes yes
13:45she knew him
13:46but he didn't want to
13:47tell me the name
13:48she knew it
13:49but he didn't want to
13:49nor tell me the name
13:50nor exactly
13:51where he lived
13:51he didn't give me
13:52the elements
13:53eh precise
13:54he made me
13:55the description
13:56from the
13:56of the person
13:57I tried to understand
13:59who was
13:59it's my thing
14:00that interests
14:02and what is most striking
14:03of this whole affair
14:04it's that there were voices
14:06there were people
14:09who knew
14:10there were people
14:11interviewed by
14:12Miran Zupanic
14:13who reported it
14:16there are testimonies
14:17in a process
14:18of 2007
14:19which clearly
14:20they talk about tourism
14:21shooters
14:22and then I discovered
14:24there was a report
14:25by intelligence
14:27Bosnian
14:27to the secret services
14:30Italians
14:30there have been some
14:32at least two
14:32of reports
14:34of this type
14:34the secret services
14:36Italians
14:37it seems they said
14:38have intervened
14:40have identified
14:41these movements
14:42and blocked them
14:43then you tried
14:45to contact
14:46the eighty-year-old
14:48that today
14:48he is under investigation
14:49No
14:49I have never looked for
14:51to interview him
14:53and not even to do it
14:54come out
14:55in no way
14:56because in my opinion
14:56it was a thing
14:57what he had to do
14:57the prosecutor's office
14:58which had to get going
15:00I the name
15:00I just did it
15:01and only
15:02to the prosecutor's office
15:03even later
15:04colleagues
15:05they looked for me
15:05when it came out
15:06all this talk
15:07they absolutely wanted
15:09names and surnames
15:10I do not
15:11I refuse to do it
15:12even now
15:12this name
15:13first of all
15:13because they are investigations
15:15everything needs to be checked
15:16and it's one thing
15:18otherwise
15:19delicate and serious
15:20you can't beat it
15:21on the front page
15:21a person
15:22without there being any
15:24of the evidence
15:25concrete
15:25when I went
15:27to ask
15:28if they wanted
15:28a comment
15:29to the current suspect
15:31and also to their families
15:32to his family
15:33they told me
15:35you speak to Maiorino
15:36eh
15:40they shouldn't have
15:41not even they know
15:42my name
15:43for example
15:43are you scared?
15:45a little bit yes
15:46a little bit yes
15:47I'm not afraid
15:48of the Lord of San Vito
15:49that maybe
15:49it has nothing to do with it
15:50not even anything
15:51because it's an investigation
15:52but there is a structure
15:54here
15:54much bigger
15:57At that time
15:58this gentleman from San Vito
16:00eighty-year-old
16:01it was heard
16:02from the prosecutor's office
16:02Monday
16:03and it was intercepted
16:04his lawyer
16:05from our colleagues
16:06of the TGR
16:08Lombardy
16:08let's hear what
16:09says the lawyer
16:10he said
16:10not to enter it
16:12Nothing
16:12with this story
16:15come
16:16we have concluded
16:17the interrogation
16:19my gentleman client
16:21he answered the questions
16:22of the public prosecutor
16:23he reiterated
16:25his absolute
16:26I repeat
16:26absolute extremity
16:27to the facts
16:27and trust that
16:29at this point
16:29the judiciary
16:30and it seems to us that it is so
16:31let's say
16:32beyond
16:33let's say
16:33of the media crowd
16:34of these moments
16:36check
16:37ascertain
16:38I repeat
16:39the absolute extremity
16:40of Mr.
16:41Veniaduzzi
16:41but at the time
16:43that the facts went there
16:43me at this moment
16:46I understand your work
16:47you understand too
16:48the roles
16:49I received
16:50in charge
16:51from my client
16:52to evaluate
16:53any actions
16:54towards
16:55Of
16:56let's say
16:57for protection
16:58of his reputation
16:59for certain articles
17:01that have appeared
17:03in the newspapers
17:05these days
17:05here but how is it explained?
17:06to be finished
17:07in this situation
17:08you have to
17:08if I'm telling you
17:10that I won't go into the merits
17:11because I don't want to argue
17:12of any actions
17:14legal
17:16so I have nothing else
17:17to arrive
17:19I explained it to you
17:21I explained it to you
17:22I explained it to you
17:23there are no others
17:24there are no other things
17:26to say
17:26greeting
17:29then the data remains
17:30there is another testimony
17:31important thing that we propose to you
17:33because he
17:34Roberto Ruzier
17:36is part of
17:37of a group
17:38what does he do
17:39soft air
17:40I am practically
17:41the enthusiasts
17:42of games
17:43war
17:43that is, those
17:44that they pretend
17:45to play
17:45to war
17:46and at a certain point
17:48it comes to light
17:49in this group
17:50that you can go
17:51to shoot
17:52not for fun
17:53but for real
17:54from the hills
17:55from Sarajevo
17:56to the defenseless people
17:57that is passing by
17:58on the street
18:00And
18:01he tells us himself
18:03ours tells it
18:04Marina Borromedi
18:06Mr. Ruzier
18:07to her
18:09some time ago
18:09it was proposed
18:10to go
18:11to shoot
18:12on civilians
18:13in Sarajevo
18:14women
18:14and children
18:15tells us
18:15how did it go
18:16At that time
18:16it's not that it was proposed
18:19I was part of
18:20of a group
18:21of soft air
18:22a local group
18:24here in Trieste
18:26where at a certain point
18:27it has spread
18:28the news
18:29That
18:30there was the possibility
18:32for a fee
18:33to go
18:34in Sarajevo
18:35and have at your disposal
18:38a rifle
18:39precision
18:40with three shots
18:41And
18:42practically
18:44you could have done it
18:45what you wanted
18:46how did you take it?
18:48this
18:48absurd proposal
18:50At that time
18:50us
18:52most
18:54they were
18:54bossi
18:55Anyway
18:56fathers of families
18:57people
18:58workers
18:59some students
19:01a financier
19:04two former soldiers
19:06and practically
19:08being people
19:09we did that kind of thing
19:12of activities
19:12but we were people
19:13serious
19:14Anyway
19:14we have decided
19:16to report
19:18this matter
19:19she doesn't remember
19:20who did it
19:21the complaint
19:21No
19:23absolutely
19:24No
19:24but
19:26I remember
19:26that after
19:28it came out
19:30that anyway
19:30we had reported
19:32This
19:32this yes
19:33and then however
19:34nothing was done after that
19:35nothing of this complaint
19:36you were not called
19:37No
19:38No
19:39No
19:39it was not known
19:40Nothing
19:41absolute zero
19:44then a complaint
19:45it had been done
19:46we don't have it
19:47but if any of you
19:48he has it and he can show it to us
19:49naturally
19:50we are here
19:51why this story
19:51it's really terrible
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