A 47 anni di distanza dal 2 novembre 1975, la morte di Pier Paolo Pasolini resta ancora un mistero, uno dei tanti segreti della storia italiana. La vicenda ricostruita nella puntata di Cronache Criminali racconta nel dettaglio la scena del crimine, con gli occhi dei testimoni, come i giornalisti Furio Colombo eLucia Visca, tra i primi a giungere all'Idroscalo quella mattina. E continua mettendo in fila gli errori e le incoerenze emerse nel corso delle prime indagini, quelle successive alla confessione del 17enne Pino Pelosi, che si addossò la colpa del delitto. Gli avvocati di parte civile Guido Calvi e Nino Marazzita ricordano come si sviluppò il loro lavoro di contro indagine che voleva dimostrare la presenza di altre persone all'Idroscalo con Pelosi e Pasolini quella notte. La "presenza degli ignoti" fu accertata dalla sentenza di primo grado che condannò Pelosi a nove anni e sette mesi di carcere, ma scomparve clamorosamente dalla sentenza d'appello, quella che ancora oggi rimane la verità ufficiale sul delitto. Eppure, negli anni l'opinione pubblica ha potuto conoscere una diversa lettura dell'omicidio Pasolini, andando a fondo nei dettagli irrisolti del caso e lavorando su retroscena e possibili moventi, come la stesura del libro Petrolio, a cui Pasolini stava lavorando. Una tesi sposata dal regista David Grieco e dallo scrittore Giovanni Giovannetti, tra i più appassionati critici della verità ufficiale, che raccontano le contraddizioni delle inchieste, le piste alternative e le ragioni per cui quello di Pasolini può definirsi ancora oggi un mistero irrisolto, nonostante altre tre nuove inchieste che negli ultimi 15 anni hanno accertato la presenza all'Idroscalo di altre tre persone, il cui Dna è stato individuato sui reperti ma a cui non è stato possibile dare un nome.
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00:00:15I got to that point of the jar and I said, I say, it's not there's a corpse
00:00:23there was this corpse that was face down in the mud about seventy meters away
00:00:32A shirt was found for Paolo who was massacred. The photographs are terrifying.
00:00:41Pasolini was a poor thing he was not a human being who died
00:00:51of course Pasolini was very annoying, if I believe in progress I don't believe in
00:01:00development and in this case a man received frequent telephone threats
00:01:09middle-aged man tells me he heard a lot of noises and a lot of shouts and they were coming from there there were a lot of people
00:01:17A 17-year-old boy has been arrested on charges of voluntary manslaughter
00:01:25I am innocent, I am not anyone's accomplice, she is not the murderer
00:01:29I lived in terror for 30 years. I was threatened, my mother, my father.
00:01:41He was raising children that only he knew and that only he could bring together.
00:01:59Good evening, I continue our journey into the crime news, the search for the crimes that have marked
00:02:04an era and that have affected us deeply and have put us in front of the most difficult questions
00:02:09disturbing this evening we take a leap back in time we go to 1975 on the coast of Ostia
00:02:16where one of the greatest intellectuals, poets, directors, writers of the time was assassinated
00:02:22our time pier paolo pasolini is a story that has found its procedural truth the murderer
00:02:28there was only one minor boy his name was Pino Pelosi called the frog it's the truth let's face it
00:02:35which has never convinced anyone to start since those first days of November 1975
00:02:43they wanted to dismiss the death of Paolo Pasolini as a dirty story, a story of
00:02:49homosexuals a casual encounter which was then casual and we will see it was not with a young man who was a prostitute
00:02:57a sudden occasional act of violence but things were not like that, they have never been like that
00:03:03they couldn't be like that because we are talking about Pier Paolo Pasolini, the intellectual with a life
00:03:09scandalous and with a mysterious death and it is this life and this death that we will try to tell
00:03:15this evening
00:03:39we tried as much as possible not to make this program a testimony
00:03:45for the anniversary of the death of Paolo Pasolini but rather an analysis of what Paolo
00:03:50Pasolini represented and on what he was often however certain analyses are too personal and
00:03:57they end up perhaps ignoring the things and people that Pasolini never talked about
00:04:02kept in the dark and if anything did nothing but warn us against those who wanted and
00:04:08They want to keep us in the dark. It was 1978. Three years had passed since the death of Paolo Pasolini.
00:04:16one of those voices you heard was mine, the other two are Bruna Durante's and Emiliano's
00:04:22Ricastro we were three guys from a free Roman radio station called Radio Blu and we used to do some
00:04:28questions we wanted to remember Pasolini and we didn't stop at the official truths as many didn't stop
00:04:34over the years in this story it makes an impression to hear from so many years later but it was the
00:04:42testimony of how we were all still deeply affected almost live
00:04:48from the tragic end of Paolo Pasolini and how his words still echo within us
00:04:54his teachings also his contradictions and speaking of contradictions we hear the voice of
00:05:01an old childhood friend of Pasolini someone who had known him well someone who had done
00:05:07a stretch of the road with him
00:05:20Pasolini was a friend, an exquisite person, he treated everyone at the same level, really, people, then great ones, no
00:05:29He, like you, I repeat, was one of us, he did the same things as us
00:05:35a friendship the first time I remember I was at the football pitch which is here 50 meters away and
00:05:43him
00:05:43he arrived well dressed with a folder of papers, books etc. I placed the things on a sort of
00:05:50bench pulled up his trousers because he was playing football too and dressed and started kicking
00:05:56the paele ball
00:06:01then if you didn't hear him speak Pierpaolo had a look he looked like a thief then when
00:06:08he spoke and sang there was a delicate angelic voice a monster of intelligence Pierpaolo
00:06:18I don't remember the last time I saw him, but it was definitely the year that
00:06:23he was walking around with the gall in seed I was in the center of Rome and he recognizes me he doesn't recognize me
00:06:30call pecetto di silvio silvio I turn around it was luca alla galla we went to the bar and he wanted a coffee
00:06:35that was the last time I saw what we thought we thought it
00:06:42all the inhabitants of the neighborhoods of Rome because the borgatari knew Basoni well knew it
00:06:49who was a boy who killed suni is absurd there is nothing true that is only one thing
00:06:56there is some truth in that
00:06:57that Pierpaolo Basolini was murdered I believe that among those of my generation he is very
00:07:04the memory of that November 2nd 1975 is widespread, perhaps everyone has within themselves their own memory, their own fragment
00:07:13Of
00:07:13that morning I personally remember it was a Sunday morning the phone call with which a friend the
00:07:20son of a policeman so he already knew everything that had happened he called me and told me in a
00:07:25very heavy very Roman way if the Pasolinis are made who I say Pasolini or writer what
00:07:30you like that morning November 2, 75 a very early Sunday a little before 7
00:07:43There's this phone call to the police station telling me someone died at the hydroscale
00:07:52without specifying anything because nothing was known at that moment, there had been a bitter night
00:07:58It could have been a body returned from the sea, it could have been a settling of scores between small
00:08:03local crime, in short, could do anything, there was this corpse lying face down in the mud
00:08:11At a distance of about seventy meters a shirt is found and inside the shirt there is
00:08:21a tag, one of those laundry tags with Pasolini written on it
00:08:32instead the commissioner was a young policeman Gianfranco Marieni takes on a great responsibility
00:08:37that of turning the corpse and in fact when the corpse turns in a mess to look at
00:08:45truly indescribable I have tried to describe it every time I think about it that I describe it to which
00:08:53an emotion builds up because it was truly absolutely unwatchable, unwatchable but recognisable if
00:09:00the Pasolini elements were so strong and clear, they were unmistakable, we realized
00:09:10we were going through a piece of history
00:09:23I'm in the shower early in the morning and my partner at the time comes into the shower and says to me
00:09:32they killed that it is paolo
00:09:36from there I called the father of this classmate of mine who was Professor Faustino Durante
00:09:43the best coroner there was in Italy and I told him look, this happened
00:09:49he didn't know, he hadn't heard the radio yet
00:09:54we go there and he brought a young lawyer he worked with who was Guido Calvi
00:10:02when we got there we found a surreal Fellini-esque scene, lots of people on this dirt road and this
00:10:12horribly battered body covered by a sheet
00:10:17Pierpaolo was massacred, the photographs are terrifying, he was massacred not only physically
00:10:28but there was an attack that was also carried out with blunt objects
00:10:36Pasolini was hit by an iron bar, punches, kicks and Pierpaolo was injured
00:10:47It took almost an artist to reconstruct Pierpaolo's body
00:10:56Pierpaolo Pasolini's body is torn to pieces
00:10:59that brutal crime seems to ideally close a contradictory year, 1975
00:11:06A year of light and shadow in Italy: the Piazza Fontana trial in Catanzaro was celebrated.
00:11:15Christian Democracy and the Communist Party were rehearsing the historic compromise
00:11:20In Spain the dictator Francisco Franco died and that country finally found freedom and
00:11:27Democracy in America was being taught by a young entrepreneur destined to change history
00:11:33his name is Bill Gates that year the Red Brigades were tragically affirming themselves in Italy it was a year in
00:11:42which
00:11:42There was violence just two months before the murder of Pierpaolo Pasolini the massacre
00:11:48of Circeo a young girl killed and raped another who miraculously survives the fury of
00:11:55three offspring of Rome well yes the violence was palpable that year and yet in that corpse
00:12:02massacred at the Ostia seaplane base there was something more a horror that seemed to go beyond something
00:12:08which even had a taste of martyrdom
00:12:11there's this lady who then when she sees me, she tries to send me away, saying that I'm too
00:12:22young man who impresses me my fietta doesn't impress you go away at this point exactly in
00:12:30At this point where there are some blood stains hidden by some earth the body was discovered
00:12:35by Pierpaolo Pasolini this morning on the outskirts of Ostia Mrs Maria Lollobrigida was the
00:12:40first to discover the body yes at half past six while I was getting out of the car I said but you look
00:12:46they always reach more than halfway down the road I kindly came to pick it up to throw it away
00:12:52I got to that point of the jar and I said, I say, it's not a corpse and I was helped there by my
00:13:01my husband and my son and I told him like look he's not dead he's a corpse he's dead
00:13:04he is dead
00:13:05a dead man then my husband says go and warn the police my son from Corso went to warn
00:13:10the police then they came yes he came to my son with the police listen how he presented himself as
00:13:16he was dressed well I saw from afar the light blue trousers the green t-shirt the head from this
00:13:23part and feet on this side
00:13:31I learned the news of the assassination from Michelangelo Antonioni who called me at home
00:13:39and he told me I'm coming to get you let's go let's go let's go to Ostia we were there at
00:13:46watch the carabinieri who were looking at the remains of what had resulted from the crime as a result then
00:13:58there was this image of undivided men moving in a very slow circle around that
00:14:09that the sacrificial altar would have been the place of the crime and therefore of the outpouring of the crime
00:14:18there was a huge confusion because as soon as the word spread there was a whole host that was
00:14:29conveying there when Vasolini's friends arrive, magistrate this one and that one also arrives at the two
00:14:36small teams that have to play the beginners' match and there is an absolutely amazing scene there
00:14:46It's impressive to remember that there is a brigadier who is placed in charge of guarding the corpse when the ball
00:14:54he goes off-field and arrives near the corpse, he kicks it back onto the field
00:15:01it was pasolini it was a poor thing it was a thing it was an object it was a broken object it wasn't it wasn't
00:15:11a human being who had died Pasolini and the intellectual reference of a group
00:15:16very broad and also contradictory politician was enrolled in the communist party and was removed
00:15:24approaches a privileged relationship with the radical party takes controversial positions in a
00:15:29series of events sympathizes with the police in the clashes with the students because they are
00:15:35the children of the people and the students are the children of the bourgeoisie is against abortion regrets
00:15:41a nostalgic peasant culture that no longer exists challenges development as a distorting factor
00:15:49in short, he is a controversial protagonist of the cultural debate of the time in a time in which the word
00:15:56intellectuals still had weight and moved a lot and this is one of the reasons that makes us doubt it
00:16:05immediately of the version that wants him to be the victim of a dramatic homosexual encounter and therefore of a
00:16:13an affair to be quickly dismissed with rather heavy adjectives such as squalid or even
00:16:20predictable
00:16:26the news of the confession of the 17 year old boy who was stopped at a police station after 11am arrives
00:16:34block while he was driving the car of the obstructor was arrested under the charge
00:16:39volunteer son's radio
00:16:45but he was stopped during the night by the police on board Vasolini's car and he was stopped
00:16:51as a thief, he is actually stopped also for being a public official because he tries
00:16:57to flee when the police intercept him on the Ostia seafront he is taken to Casal del Marmo
00:17:05confesses and tells his story
00:17:08Pelosi says that he was approached by Vasolini in Piazza dei Cinquecento the first thing
00:17:14what Pasolini does is that he accompanies him to eat
00:17:19they go to blond tevere and there always in the documents we find testimony of the owner of blond tevere
00:17:26which not only testifies that Pelosi ate and Pasolini drank but also remembers the menu
00:17:34that is, a witness in detail what Pelosi eats
00:17:40and then we are in the hands of furry people
00:17:45it's all very hazy
00:17:51There are two holes in the story, right?
00:17:53between the time of Vasolini's death which is more or less set around midnight
00:18:01or in any case between midnight and two in the morning Pelosi who is intercepted on the seafront after two
00:18:10yes, that's all the police will say later
00:18:12the police doesn't say it, the police only says that they stole a gold ring from him
00:18:20that is not gold it is tin the ring is found by the police next to Pasolini's body
00:18:26and then it will be the ultimate test
00:18:32which is like saying yes I killed him by beating him up
00:18:36because we had agreements for some sexual services
00:18:41and he instead wanted other things
00:18:48it was necessary to say that a homosexual had died
00:18:55who, due to his vice, had stumbled upon what Ninetto Davoli defined as a bad evening
00:19:04a bad evening, a bad meeting
00:19:07it is possible that there is only this, a denied homosexual relationship
00:19:11which unleashes the fury of a 17-year-old boy, this alone is behind the death of Pierpaolo Pasolini
00:19:17The first to question themselves are friends but many raise doubts about the investigation
00:19:23and they lift them up from the very first moment
00:19:24you will even find traces of it in the first instance sentence of the Juvenile Court
00:19:30we dig into the past
00:19:31Pasolini's past had been analysed very thoroughly
00:19:35and which had also led to countless legal problems for Pierpaolo Pasolini himself
00:19:41but another narrative also seems to prevail: that the matter must be closed quickly.
00:19:48because it was just a wrong story
00:19:55this was the version that should have been credited
00:19:58even if he slapped with everything
00:20:03he was slapping people for example with the many testimonies that were there
00:20:10there were some shacks
00:20:12they lived there
00:20:13and they attended
00:20:15and they said that it lasted half an hour
00:20:19and that was hellish
00:20:22why did Pasolini ask for mom mom mom
00:20:25all this was told to two important journalists
00:20:29Oriana Fallace and Furio Volombo
00:20:36I had the idea of going and knocking on all the doors of the shacks surrounding the desolate area in
00:20:45to whom all this happened
00:20:47I did it
00:20:48I have not received any response except one
00:20:52except one
00:20:53of a middle-aged man
00:20:55he tells me I heard a lot of noises and a lot of screams
00:20:59and they came from there
00:21:01and that's all I can tell you but there were a lot of people
00:21:11these witnesses did not go to the judiciary as Fallaci and Colombo requested
00:21:19they said don't tell us, tell it magistrate
00:21:22no, we're not going to the judiciary or they'll kick us out of here and we don't know where to go
00:21:28What is not immediately clear, I repeat, is why Pelosi does not have a drop of blood
00:21:33but it will be clarified by Faustino Durante's report
00:21:38At two in the morning we were browsing through all the photographs at his house, a sea of photos
00:21:46I happen to remember Faustino screaming when he found a photo of Pierpaolo's body
00:21:53and on the seat there were traces of the tire of Pierpaolo's car
00:21:59I came to the conclusion that there were two aspects that in my opinion did not appear too
00:22:06in the office aperitif they had not been evaluated excessively and that is one who had been there
00:22:13a voluntary surmounting of the corpse therefore there was a voluntariness of this surmounting
00:22:19and the other that the injuries that Pasolini presented could not be determined
00:22:25from those means that were found, that is the famous buttinella tablet called
00:22:31from the name of the owner of this shack and from this stick which was more or less like this
00:22:38of this size very friable very small that therefore they could not be absolutely suitable
00:22:43to cause all those lesions that Pasolini presented
00:22:49The expert opinion provides support and fuels the many doubts about the innumerable contradictions
00:22:56of the official version of Pierpaolo Pasolini's death
00:23:00so much so that as we will see shortly the first trial when it opens
00:23:05It will be a trial against Pelosi, yes, but also against her unknown accomplices.
00:23:13With Fossino Durante we gave evidence that Pierpaolo had been hit by blunt objects
00:23:20of metal that have never been found so whoever hit him had prepared for this attack
00:23:28then he took these objects away
00:23:33Pierpaolo would certainly have died from the beatings he received but the determining cause of death
00:23:40it was the overtaking of his body by the car driven by Pelosi
00:23:47An insole was then found in Pierpaolo's car
00:23:51a t-shirt was found that did not belong to Pierpaolo or Pelosi
00:24:00The juvenile law at the time required that the investigation be completed within 45 days.
00:24:09After 45 days and 46 days, Pelosi would have been released from prison.
00:24:15and so we didn't want this
00:24:17The Pelosi-Pasolini relationship was intended to close the affair
00:24:22knowing perfectly well, there's no point in denying it, that there was more but they didn't want to see it
00:24:29It was enough to just watch those TV broadcasts that showed Pelosi just after he was arrested
00:24:36without any trace of blood on the body
00:24:41So there was the sure presence of other people
00:24:47What are the taboos you want to destroy?
00:24:49Sexual prevention?
00:24:50Escaping the harshest realities?
00:24:53Lack of sincerity in social relationships?
00:24:56But I said this until ten years ago
00:24:59Now I don't say these things anymore because I don't believe them
00:25:02As I repeat, the word hope has been completely erased from my vocabulary.
00:25:05So I keep fighting for partial truths moment by moment, hour by hour, month by month.
00:25:12But I don't make long-term plans because I don't believe in them anymore.
00:25:16I have the impression that rather than killing him they wanted to somehow, so to speak, humiliate him.
00:25:24So that those truths that he denounced were somehow debased by the situation in which he found himself.
00:25:33that night
00:25:35The result was that for a long time, for years, Pierpaolo's memory was erased in this country.
00:25:44We don't talk about it anymore
00:25:45If those who killed Pierpaolo Pasolini thought they could erase his memory, to consider it forgotten by history
00:25:52Well, his calculations were absolutely wrong.
00:25:54It was not only Pierpaolo Pasolini who was talked about then
00:25:57But we continued to talk and we will continue to talk
00:26:00There is an intellectual exercise that often recurs in cultural and even political debate
00:26:06What would Pasolini say today?
00:26:08Well, it's something that has remained deep within us.
00:26:11And whose roots start immediately from the moments following Pasolini's death
00:26:17From that crowded funeral
00:26:19From whose memory was kept alive and warm by those who had loved and esteemed him
00:26:29After the funeral chapel at the Casa della Cultura in Largua Regula
00:26:34We find an unexpected crowd
00:26:37This crowd pushed us all the way to Piazza Campo dei Fiori
00:26:44And Piazza Campo dei Fiori was full like I've never seen it before.
00:26:48There were all the people there who met him one day in their life.
00:26:54And Franco Citti, the actor from Accattone, who was next to me
00:27:01He looked around, looked at all these people, as surprised as I was.
00:27:06And he said something I'll never forget
00:27:11So it wasn't just a faggot who died
00:27:18Moravia had hastily written a few words on some sheets of paper
00:27:22Climbing the lost
00:27:25And he stood alone in front of this crowd without these notes, completely surprised
00:27:31And if someone goes to listen to it
00:27:34This kind of funeral oration by Moravia
00:27:38She's very beautiful, she's very unintellectual, she's very spontaneous
00:27:43We took first of all a poet
00:27:45And there aren't many poets in the world.
00:27:48I only have three or four of them in a century.
00:27:55When this century is over, Pasolini will be among the very few who will count as a poet.
00:28:01The poet should be sacred
00:28:11Pasolini did not have two faces, Pasolini had only one face
00:28:17He was a very compact man
00:28:20The only problem was he was afraid of people.
00:28:22In fact he was wearing those dark glasses
00:28:25And he was as if transfixed by her popularity.
00:28:33There was a certain rigor in his way of expressing himself
00:28:37And a certain committed attention to being precise
00:28:47So it was never a conversation like that
00:28:51Just for a chat
00:28:54It was always his representation of the problem
00:29:01Or of the situation that tormented him
00:29:04Or it worried him
00:29:06Or he occupied it
00:29:09At that moment
00:29:11First of all, I am very cheerful by nature, very happy.
00:29:14I get serious on certain occasions
00:29:16Like this one, a semi-official one that embarrasses me a little
00:29:20Then it didn't happen that I don't believe in progress
00:29:21I believe in progress, I don't believe in development
00:29:25And in this case in this development
00:29:28What changed Pasolini
00:29:30It was his collaboration
00:29:33The Corriere della Sera
00:29:35He began to face reality
00:29:40And to take it head on
00:29:42In a way no one has ever done before
00:29:46And that no one has done since
00:29:48And that perhaps no one will ever do
00:29:51He put Christian democracy on trial
00:29:54He wrote what is dubbed
00:29:58The novel of massacres
00:30:00I know, I know
00:30:02I don't have proof, but I know
00:30:03And meanwhile in those things
00:30:05Which are contained in that article
00:30:08There are all the submerged scandals
00:30:12Of post-war Italy
00:30:14From September 8, 1943
00:30:17Coup attempts
00:30:19Episodes of corruption
00:30:21And all this without censorship.
00:30:25He was pulling some strings
00:30:27That only he knew
00:30:31And that only he
00:30:34He could put together
00:30:38How many narratives
00:30:40How many discussions
00:30:41And how it comes back
00:30:43In our debate
00:30:45In our mind
00:30:46And also in our memory
00:30:47That prophetic "I" of Pierpaolo Pasolini
00:30:50It was an article from November 14, 1974
00:30:54The first of six articles
00:30:56What Pasolini wrote for the Corriere della Sera
00:30:59We must not judge him
00:31:00From the historian's perspective
00:31:02Or of the politician
00:31:03He's a poet who's letting loose
00:31:06To his feeling
00:31:07To his feeling
00:31:09It is a highly narrative text
00:31:11In addition to being a highly evocative text
00:31:14Pasolini puts himself outside of history
00:31:17And judge the story
00:31:18Let's hear
00:31:19I know
00:31:23I know
00:31:25The names of those responsible
00:31:27Of what is called a coup
00:31:30I know
00:31:32The names of those responsible
00:31:34Of the Milan massacre
00:31:36December 12, 1969
00:31:39I know
00:31:41The names of those responsible
00:31:43On the massacres of Brescia and Bologna
00:31:45From the early months of 1974
00:31:49I know the names of the leaders who manipulated it, so
00:31:53Both the old fascists and the coup plotters
00:31:56Both the neo-fascists and the material authors of the first massacres
00:31:59Let it finally be the unknown
00:32:02Material perpetrators of the most recent massacres
00:32:06I know the names of those who between one mass and another
00:32:08They gave the orders and ensured political protection
00:32:13To old generals
00:32:15To keep the organization of a potential coup in reserve
00:32:19To young neo-fascists
00:32:22Rather neo-Nazis
00:32:24To concretely create anti-communist tension
00:32:27And finally to common criminals
00:32:30Up to this point
00:32:32And maybe forever
00:32:33Nameless
00:32:36To create the next anti-fascist tension
00:32:41I know all these names and I know all these facts
00:32:44Attacks on institutions
00:32:45Massacres of which they are guilty
00:32:48I know
00:32:50But I have no proof
00:32:52First an anti-communist tension
00:32:54Then an anti-fascist tension
00:32:56And this is the most convincing prophetic core
00:33:00Stronger than this text
00:33:03It's like that 1975
00:33:05With his prophecy he marked a paradigm shift
00:33:09There had been the 70s up until that point
00:33:13It will be the 70's from then on
00:33:16And Pasolini's death can be read as the watershed
00:33:19But let's hear what Alberto Moravia said after Pasolini's death
00:33:29Pasolini is certainly a writer who wanted to externalise his contradictions
00:33:34He wanted to externalize them, dialectize them, make them explicit.
00:33:39Others don't do this
00:33:41He could do it because he had great vitality.
00:33:44He could say one thing and its opposite in the same article
00:33:48No clear thought can be extracted from the work of any poet or writer.
00:33:54He was aware of this fact
00:33:56He played on it with great skill.
00:33:59He showed his contradictions and used them for dialectical purposes.
00:34:04There was even an article by a very well-known literary critic
00:34:10Who said that basically what had happened with Moro
00:34:16He was a little inspired by Pasolini's articles
00:34:18The idea of the process is a political archetype
00:34:22In all ages and in all times
00:34:25There's always this idea of putting people on trial who haven't committed crimes.
00:34:33Beritti that can be found in the codices
00:34:35But who in some way have made themselves guilty towards the community
00:34:40All writers especially artists have always insisted on this thing about the process
00:34:45There is no need to remember Kafka
00:34:47Pasolini somehow connects to this tradition
00:34:52Which is a tradition I would say biblical
00:34:55So they make many things responsible and not
00:34:57But there is another way to interpret that I know
00:35:01As well as the piercing cry of the poet who reflects on history or even against history
00:35:08It can be interpreted as the tip of the iceberg
00:35:11Underneath which lies something much deeper and more disturbing.
00:35:16Perhaps Pasolini wanted us to know that he really knew something
00:35:21Something that could embarrass or offend someone
00:35:25Something that could expose him to real danger
00:35:28What was Pasolini working on?
00:35:30What was he working on so important when he was killed?
00:35:37What was Pasolini working on when he was killed?
00:35:41Pasolini is now an established editorialist for the Corriere della Sera
00:35:45He is mainly writing a novel
00:35:48In which he himself says it
00:35:54He intends to pour out everything he knows
00:35:57This novel is Oil
00:36:01Pasolini had written about 500 pages of this novel, 520
00:36:08He announced it in 2000 pages
00:36:11We have a first part of the oil left that makes sense.
00:36:17And a second part that is in progress
00:36:23From January-February 1975
00:36:28Everyone knew he was writing this book.
00:36:32Cefis, president of ENI and then of Montedison
00:36:37He was the protagonist and the book was titled Petrolio
00:36:42It's a mysterious, enigmatic book.
00:36:45However, it is clear that the book tells the story of a network of people
00:36:52Who is the master of Italy
00:36:54And who wants to be the master of Italy
00:36:59He read everything that happened in filigree
00:37:03And he also read it in the light of a vision of the world that he had
00:37:09And then it proved to be important, beautiful, truly prophetic.
00:37:19Of course Pasolini was very annoying
00:37:26It was on the stomach of the fascist right
00:37:30He was busy working on novels like Petrolio and films like Salò
00:37:37And perhaps for the Roman far-right circles
00:37:43Let's say the wineskin was full
00:37:45And one day Laura Betti invited us both to lunch
00:37:50And while he was draining the pasta
00:37:54Cry
00:37:57Stop him, you who are a real journalist, stop him
00:38:00They will kill him
00:38:06You can kill an intellectual because he knows something
00:38:10Why does it bother you?
00:38:12Because it's uncomfortable
00:38:14Because he is the victim of a hate campaign
00:38:17Today hatred travels very often on social media, on the web
00:38:21And it can have destructive consequences.
00:38:24But then in the 70s
00:38:26Pasolini thought he was really in danger
00:38:29He was scared, he was afraid
00:38:35Pasolini was constantly under fire
00:38:40He received frequent telephone threats
00:38:44We've been attacked a couple of times.
00:38:47And I was there too with the fascists
00:38:49I have personally seen him deal with it
00:38:53Three people bigger than him
00:38:55And put a beat out of her
00:39:00A few days before his death
00:39:01He's in Sweden, I'm at the table
00:39:03He is absent
00:39:05And the people at the table with him
00:39:07His editor, his translator
00:39:10They hear it said
00:39:12I am afraid
00:39:15But he speaks for himself
00:39:18What did you say Pierpaolo?
00:39:20What did I say?
00:39:21You said you're scared
00:39:23I said I'm scared
00:39:24It's not true, I didn't say I was scared
00:39:27I'm not afraid
00:39:31He knew he was in danger.
00:39:35Just a few hours before they massacred him
00:39:38Furio Colombo interviews him for
00:39:42All Books
00:39:43The cultural supplement of the press
00:39:47And Pasolini in taking leave of him
00:39:53He tells Furio Colombo
00:39:56You could title it
00:39:58We are all in danger
00:40:03As many times as I've talked
00:40:07If not interviewed Pasolini
00:40:11This was the moment when everything changed
00:40:17They had always felt and known it
00:40:21As a brave character
00:40:23But here the courage was
00:40:27Public, collective and political
00:40:31So it had taken us all by surprise.
00:40:40Of course it took us more by surprise
00:40:44The fact that just a few hours away
00:40:48From that meeting
00:40:51There was the crime
00:40:56Saturday, November 1st
00:40:58A few hours before being murdered
00:41:00For Paolo Pasolini
00:41:01He gives a long interview to Furio Colombo
00:41:04He says some very interesting things
00:41:06The tragedy is that there are no more human beings
00:41:09There are strange machines
00:41:11That crash into each other
00:41:13And we intellectuals take last year's train timetable
00:41:17Or ten years ago
00:41:18And then we say
00:41:19But strange
00:41:19But these two trains don't pass by there
00:41:22And how come they crashed like that?
00:41:24Or the driver has gone crazy
00:41:26Or is he an isolated criminal?
00:41:27Or there's a conspiracy
00:41:29Above all, the conspiracy makes us delirious
00:41:31It frees us from all the burden of having to face the truth alone.
00:41:35How beautiful
00:41:36If while we're here talking, someone in the cellar is making plans to kill us
00:41:41It's easy, it's simple, it's resistance
00:41:44We'll lose some comrades and then we'll organize ourselves and take them out one by one.
00:41:49Do you think so?
00:41:50After the interview Pasolini is not happy with some passages
00:41:54Ask Furio Colombo to take some time
00:41:57He finds it easier to write than to correct himself by speaking.
00:42:03They promise to talk to each other a few hours later
00:42:06The next day
00:42:07They will never hear from each other because that night Pasolini will be assassinated
00:42:15That night Pasolini did not go to the hydroscale with a light heart.
00:42:23Pasolini goes to dinner very early, contrary to his habits
00:42:28At eight o'clock in a restaurant called Pomidoro
00:42:33Which is in San Lorenzo, which by the way is closed
00:42:36And the owner who knows him lets him in
00:42:40That evening, because then I reconstructed everything
00:42:43Thinking about what had happened
00:42:44That evening, however, he seemed something strange to me.
00:42:48And I wanted to go away
00:42:50Do you remember when he tells you something else?
00:42:51He says coming here I saw a lot of ugly faces
00:42:55These kids seem to me to have all become uglier.
00:43:01Pasolini is attracted to the seaplane base
00:43:04With the promise
00:43:05That the pizzas from Salò would be returned to him
00:43:11Stolen
00:43:12And at this point they become a real bait
00:43:25Pasolini knows what environment carried out the theft
00:43:31He knows why
00:43:35He knows some guys
00:43:37He knows Pelosi
00:43:39For some time now
00:43:40It is not true that the two met for the first time
00:43:44A few hours before the crime
00:43:48Knows other figures
00:43:49The petty crime of Borgata
00:43:54The eyewitnesses
00:43:56They talk about two cars present at the Ostia seaplane base that night
00:44:01And these people had the opportunity to record
00:44:05The noises
00:44:07The screams
00:44:08The cars that arrive
00:44:11Another car leaving
00:44:14And at a certain point he nails it
00:44:16And at a certain point it starts again
00:44:19But none of this
00:44:21It ends up in the records
00:44:25Pasolini was not killed with his car
00:44:29Pasolini was killed with an identical car
00:44:35Under Pasolini's car
00:44:38There wasn't a hair
00:44:39There wasn't a single flap of skin
00:44:41There wasn't a drop of blood
00:44:48The Alfa GT as we all know
00:44:51It's a sports car
00:44:53It's a car with a very low trim
00:44:56Pasolini's body largely surpasses this arrangement
00:45:00She's been there several times
00:45:03It's immaculate
00:45:07This hypothesis is not at all far-fetched.
00:45:11If we take into account some clues
00:45:14For example, we come to the hypothesis that
00:45:17To accomplish
00:45:19Let the murder be a mix
00:45:22Between common crime
00:45:24And political crime
00:45:27The figures
00:45:30Of the Borgata sub-proletariat
00:45:35And others
00:45:37Which belong to the archipelago
00:45:41Of the Roman black subversion
00:45:44What I've always thought
00:45:46It's that Pasolini went there
00:45:51Thinking I might die
00:45:55But in my opinion he had
00:46:00A second thought
00:46:02The second thought was
00:46:04These are my children
00:46:09If they are doing something for someone
00:46:15I'm talking to him
00:46:16The kind of people I love by far the most
00:46:18They are people who possibly haven't even finished fourth grade.
00:46:24That is, absolutely simple people
00:46:26But don't put rhetoric in this statement of mine.
00:46:30I'm not saying this rhetorically.
00:46:31I say this because the petty bourgeois culture
00:46:35At least in my country
00:46:36But maybe also in France and Spain
00:46:38It is something that always leads to corruption and impurity.
00:46:41While an illiterate person or someone who has attended primary school
00:46:44It's always a certain grace that is then lost through culture.
00:46:48The trial for Pasolini's death is being held with great speed
00:46:52Already in April 1976
00:46:55That is, a few months after the murder
00:46:58The Juvenile Court of Rome passes sentence
00:47:02It's a process that a lot of people witness.
00:47:05It's a process that's been much debated.
00:47:11Why was it a complicated process?
00:47:14Why in 45 days
00:47:15Imposed by law
00:47:18It was not possible to do an important instructor activity
00:47:22Which would have had an impact on the story
00:47:27Calvi played an important role there
00:47:30He wrote a memoir
00:47:32In which we explain that
00:47:34Someone like Pelosi
00:47:35He may not understand
00:47:38The subtlety of a tax violation
00:47:41But that doesn't kill itself
00:47:45It's a natural fact
00:47:49The trial then ended with Pelosi's conviction.
00:47:54To a very high penalty
00:47:56He was a minor
00:47:57Nine years and seven months
00:48:01Pelosi was convicted
00:48:03For voluntary homicide
00:48:05In competition with the unknown
00:48:07And here the first singular fact occurs
00:48:11It has never been seen in the judicial history of this country
00:48:15That after a conviction
00:48:18Almost at the maximum sentence
00:48:20The Attorney General's Office appeals the ruling
00:48:25Appeal the sentence
00:48:26About what?
00:48:28On the unknown
00:48:31It is a truly exceptional intervention
00:48:35Which makes us understand what the intention was
00:48:39Crystallizing the responsibility on Pelosi
00:48:42And to prevent further investigations from being carried out on any individuals present
00:48:48On appeal the unknowns are erased
00:49:03For Italian justice
00:49:06Pasolini is a homosexual who met a boy by chance
00:49:12That he took her far away to have sexual intercourse with him
00:49:20And that this boy's reaction was immediate
00:49:26Which unexpectedly overwhelmed him.
00:49:29And then even though I don't know how to drive a car
00:49:33He took his car
00:49:35He mounted it several times
00:49:37And he ran away and was later arrested by the police
00:49:42This is the official truth of the Pasolini case
00:49:47And that drives you crazy
00:49:56It's hard not to share David Grieco's concern.
00:50:01That sentence which is based on solitary action
00:50:05Of a single murderer
00:50:06A 17-year-old boy who doesn't even have a trace of blood
00:50:10It really leaves a bitter taste in the mouth
00:50:12But the thing that should make us reflect the most
00:50:16It's just that it leaves the judge very critical too.
00:50:19Who wrote the first juvenile court ruling
00:50:23That is Giuseppe Salmè
00:50:24And we interviewed him 47 years after that day.
00:50:33The trial surrounding Pasolini's murder
00:50:38It is characterized by a remarkable speed
00:50:42This speed which is incommendable
00:50:45It was a bit of a warning of what happened at the time.
00:50:50And that made it challenging from the point of view as well
00:50:56Let's say the work of the court is emotional
00:50:59That is, a contrast of positions that were not only procedural
00:51:05But they were also a little ideological
00:51:07Among those who claimed that there was a self-confessed author
00:51:12It was useless to delve into other modes of action
00:51:17And to those who, as also described in the sentence,
00:51:23First degree
00:51:24He faced the trial as one faces trials.
00:51:29In which a man's life is taken away
00:51:35Regardless of whether this man
00:51:37Be a world-renowned artist
00:51:40Or that you think one way
00:51:42Or do you think of it in another way?
00:51:45Of course we ourselves
00:51:49Writing that sentence
00:51:50We were like citizens dissatisfied with the outcome
00:51:55We knew it
00:51:57We knew there were competitors
00:51:59So there must have been a reason too.
00:52:03A reason
00:52:04And it was not possible to locate them
00:52:07And this is what we say as citizens
00:52:09It can only leave us dissatisfied
00:52:15A bad evening
00:52:17A wrong meeting
00:52:19This is why Pierpaolo Pasolini died
00:52:22There are many doubts about the investigation
00:52:24Right from the start
00:52:25We'll talk about it after the news
00:52:34Let's continue the story of that evening of November 2, 1975
00:52:40On the assassination of Pierpaolo Pasolini
00:52:43Controversial points in Pierpaolo Pasolini's death
00:52:46They have always been very clear from the beginning
00:52:49The motive if Pelosi acted alone
00:52:52Or if there had been others with him
00:52:55And we have told the procedural truth
00:52:58It leaves you a little unsatisfied
00:53:00Very dissatisfied
00:53:02At a certain point it's Pelosi herself
00:53:04In 2005
00:53:05He has been thirty years old since that night of November 2, 1975
00:53:11To turn the tables
00:53:12Telling a new and alternative truth
00:53:15We are now in May 2005
00:53:18When Pelosi
00:53:20Interviewed on RAI
00:53:22He states that he was not alone
00:53:24That there were other characters
00:53:26I am innocent
00:53:28I am not anyone's accomplice
00:53:30Meaning what
00:53:31Explain it to us better.
00:53:33She's not Pierpaolo Pasolini's killer
00:53:35I lived in terror for thirty years
00:53:38I was threatened
00:53:40Me, my mother, my father
00:53:42Now they are dead, I'm alone
00:53:44I'm not afraid anymore
00:53:45Because I've already done 22 years in prison
00:53:48I'm 46 years old, I'm alone
00:53:49I'm not afraid anymore
00:53:50Because these people surely
00:53:52Either they will be dead or they will be old
00:53:54Which I don't know, I repeat.
00:53:56I don't know them
00:53:57At this point we obviously immediately presented
00:54:00Request for reopening of the investigation
00:54:06Twice
00:54:07Everything was archived
00:54:09Once again
00:54:10There was archiving
00:54:13The third time
00:54:15The investigations were more thorough
00:54:20The laughter of Rome
00:54:21The laughter of Rome
00:54:22They can analyze
00:54:23The blood traces
00:54:24On clothes
00:54:27Both Pelosi's
00:54:28What about Pasolini?
00:54:29And they emerge
00:54:31Five genetic profiles
00:54:35Pasolini's genetic profile
00:54:37Pelosi's
00:54:38And three of people
00:54:40Remained unknown
00:54:43Most likely
00:54:45We have the DNA there
00:54:47Of the assassins
00:54:50However, as it was said later
00:54:52From the public prosecutor from the investigating judge
00:54:54It was absolutely impossible to trace
00:54:58Because the time passed
00:54:59It no longer allowed the investigation
00:55:01It's still an open wound
00:55:06But anyway
00:55:07But things didn't go well
00:55:08As they told us
00:55:10He knows it
00:55:10A good part of the public
00:55:21We have asked ourselves many times
00:55:24What would Pasolini say today?
00:55:26About this or that topic
00:55:28But let's ask ourselves what we would say
00:55:30About Pasolini today
00:55:31How would we judge it?
00:55:33His habits for example
00:55:35His costumes
00:55:36His sexuality
00:55:37Which caused so much scandal at the time
00:55:39It would be today for example
00:55:41Object of hatred on social media
00:55:44He would find someone who would defend Pasolini.
00:55:46It would have the space it had then
00:55:48Or we would criticize him mercilessly
00:55:51We asked a great writer
00:55:53Who has studied thoroughly
00:55:54The work of Per Paolo Pasolini
00:55:56And Emanuele Trevi
00:56:07Pasolini was a mature fifty-year-old who went out with minors, right?
00:56:15When do these things cause a scandal?
00:56:18I am the moment when there is a transition
00:56:21Between one way of being and doing and another
00:56:25Sexual behavior and especially libertine sexual behavior
00:56:31They are the object of criticism that takes place over time
00:56:36And those men who have grown old have been unlucky, if anything.
00:56:41Starting in one way and ending in another culture
00:56:45Like Roman Polanski
00:56:46That is, the problem is that Pasolini
00:56:50Alas, he died before the problem even arose.
00:56:54So he is entirely a modern man
00:56:56Today the rules of interaction between human beings are precisely
00:57:02They are different
00:57:04Libertine behaviors are certainly more condemned
00:57:09And then it would be another matter to understand how much we have lost
00:57:14And how much we earned with things
00:57:16But this is simply human evolution groping its way.
00:57:22Another striking example of survival in its time
00:57:26It's Woody Allen's
00:57:27So we who are of a certain age are on their side
00:57:30Then the younger ones teach us that there are other criteria of values
00:57:36From this point of view too, Pasolini teaches us to live without hypocrisy
00:57:41And that the worst of vices is the sense of moral superiority.
00:57:48Pasolini belongs to a very rare type of intellectual, of artist
00:57:55That is, the one who lives his own work
00:58:06In my opinion, Pasolini's murder cannot be considered a punitive expedition.
00:58:13We can talk about a preventive punishment
00:58:16That is, if anyone thought that Pasolini could have been the receptacle of confidences
00:58:24And he was given some tips
00:58:27Maybe even for the purpose of appearing in his book
00:58:30So undoubtedly Pasolini entered a risk zone
00:58:34And in short, in Italy in the 70s, much less was needed to die.
00:58:40I have absolutely no doubt that Pasolini has a posterity
00:58:46Because this thing is too interesting
00:58:49That is, living one's own work is something that puts into what could also be
00:58:58That there are people all over the world who are not passionate about literature or poetry
00:59:03But he knows Pasolini's things
00:59:06Because it creates a union between life and work that the cultural industry has completely separated from each other.
00:59:28Almost half a century has passed since that night of November 2, 1975
00:59:34The procedural truth left us dissatisfied
00:59:36We know Pelosi wasn't alone
00:59:39But we still don't know clearly at least on a procedural level
00:59:42Why Pierpaolo Pasolini was killed
00:59:45Historical judgment and historical truth are another thing
00:59:48As he himself said
00:59:51Pasolini would have turned one hundred these days
00:59:54His life was erased
00:59:56His body was destroyed
00:59:57But his legacy, his thought
01:00:00They still continue to fuel our discussions and worry us
01:00:04His films remain in the history of cinema
01:00:06His poems remain in the history of Italian literature
01:00:11This evening we leave you with images
01:00:14The origins of that year 1975
01:00:18Who try to photograph and capture its spirit
01:00:22We leave each other on the notes of a song
01:00:24From a very beautiful album by Francesco De Gregori
01:00:26Rimme the title of the album and also the title of the song
01:00:29The song is a love story
01:00:32Delicate and a little nostalgic
01:00:34The album refers to a trick
01:00:37The trick that serves to beautify
01:00:39But it can also be used to cover, hide, mask
01:00:43Good evening
01:00:52Knowing to judge
01:00:55And something remains
01:01:00Between the clear pages
01:01:03And the dark pages
01:01:06And I erase your name from my facade
01:01:12And I confuse my alibis and your reasons
01:01:18My alibis and your reasons
01:01:27Who read my cards?
01:01:29He called me a winner
01:01:32But a mozzingaro is a trick
01:01:35And an invasive future
01:01:38Or were you a little younger?
01:01:43I would have destroyed it with my imagination
01:01:48I would have destroyed it with my imagination
01:01:50I would have torn it up with my imagination
01:01:52Now for Italy out of one hundred and two c
01:01:55Even photos of my life are fine with you
01:01:57Now you can send your lips to a new address
01:02:02And my face superimposed on that of who knows who else
01:02:07Your four aces again
01:02:11Just one color is fine
01:02:14You can hide them or play them as you like.
01:02:19Or let them remain good friends like us
01:02:46Milan, like Rome, was at the centre of political life in those years and also of political violence.
01:03:02At that moment I heard a scream from someone saying that he had hit four
01:03:05The body had hit him in the forehead
01:03:15For ten years, very little has been known about the Medici murder.
01:03:19Then my colleague Maurizio Grigo and I decided to take care of it.
01:03:30A funeral of this drama greatly increased the risk in the square
01:03:49Anything could happen in the streets.
01:03:55Pagmiglia
01:03:57More is much much more
01:03:58Pagmiglia
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