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33 anni fa a Palermo fu arrestato Totò Riina dal capitano Ultimo e dai suoi uomini dei Reparti operativi speciali dei carabinieri. Come andò quella caccia segreta, durata 6 mesi, iniziata dopo i boati di Capaci e via D'Amelio? Lo raccontano - per la prima volta - i protagonisti di quella impresa, in una lunga intervista-reportage di Pino Corrias e Renato Pezzini.

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00:12May 23, 1992. Seismographs at the Agrigento observatory recorded the displacement of air.
00:20caused by the explosion of 500 kg of TNT 65 km away,
00:27on the Palermo-Puntaraisi highway, in the Capaci area.
00:33In the explosion that pulverizes an entire stretch of highway,
00:36Judge Giovanni Falcone, his wife Francesca Morvillo, and three of their escort agents die.
00:43I remember the silence when the news came and me looking at the light reflected on the floor
00:51and I saw the white of the floor and the sun's rays reflecting on that floor,
00:57as if they were a physical thing, as if they were a sculpture and it entered my eyes.
01:04I remember Dr. Boccasini - Tears and her last look.
01:13And we ourselves were astonished, terrified.
01:19We went to Palermo, she and I and some brave men.
01:23We arrived in Palermo, we passed all the...
01:29After a very long journey we arrived at the morgue
01:32and we saw Judge Giovanni Falcone fall and we looked him in the face,
01:46we saw the shoes of the policemen in the morgue, we saw the victims of the battle,
01:57the brave men who fell in battle and we looked in the face of what remained of them.
02:06It feels like the beginning of the end.
02:08An end completed two months later, in via d'Amelio, still in Palermo,
02:13when a car bomb wipes out Paolo Borsellino's life
02:16and that of his five bodyguards.
02:20With the death of the two magistrates, who really waged war against Cosa Nostra
02:24until they lose their lives,
02:26It seems that the mafia, choosing the terrorist path of massacres,
02:29is one step away from victory.
02:33Salvatore Rina, the boss of bosses, has been on the run for 23 years.
02:38He leads an army of mafiosi who have brought Sicily and the state to their knees.
02:42It governs drug trafficking, public procurement, extortion, politics, and corruption.
02:47No one can catch him, or so it seems.
02:50Until a certain day in September 1992,
02:54when the ROS, the special unit of the Carabinieri,
02:57He entrusts the last men with a task that will remain secret for many months.
03:19I call myself last because I grew up in a world where everyone tried to be first.
03:26In 1992, Carabinieri Captain Sergio De Caprio had just turned 30.
03:34He graduated from the official school of Annunziatella,
03:36he worked in Sicily, in the barracks of Bagheria, Corleone, Palermo.
03:41Since the mid-80s he has been in Milan, where he heads the Carabinieri's arrest section
03:46which deals with tracking down and arresting the most dangerous fugitives from organized crime.
03:53His team is made up of young Carabinieri in their early twenties,
03:57all volunteers, specialized in arresting people who have been invisible for months on the trail of wanted men.
04:03All with a nom de guerre.
04:06My nom de guerre was Omar, because he is a friend of Tuareg.
04:12And so I liked these people, we are friends with this guy here who is Tunisian.
04:19And so I chose this name.
04:21The Asp, as is known, is the last of the viper's children,
04:26the ugliest, the least considered by the others, but very poisonous.
04:32Archer, I didn't choose this name, my boss chose it.
04:40because he said that when I spoke I was throwing arrows.
04:45My name is Viking because many years ago, when I was a little younger,
04:51I had long hair, a slightly more athletic build and light eyes,
04:56hence the Viking name.
05:00Their most famous investigation, led by judge Ilda Boccassini in Milan
05:05and from Giovanni Falcone to Palermo, it is called Duomo Connection.
05:09Two years of shadowing, photographs, wiretaps, 20 arrests, 20 convictions.
05:15After Capaci and Via D'Amelio, the Carabinieri command orders the new assignment.
05:21Captain De Caprio brought us together, he only said that following the Capaci massacres in Via D'Amelio
05:28His presence with the team down there to look for Rina had been requested by the command.
05:38Rina was a legend, whatever they say.
05:40The judiciary was terrified of it, the police were terrified of it.
05:48Considering this, he felt very safe.
05:50He was a fugitive who needed to be captured, who was destroying, he had killed around 3,000 people.
05:57It is said that he had many people killed or killed them.
06:00A mafia boss who ruled in Italy and America.
06:04It was something incredible, then you know, in D'Amelio, in Rina, you never throne here, there.
06:10Who could this be? He looked like a Martian.
06:13The Martian was born in Corleone.
06:15He is 62 years old, half of which he spent as a fugitive.
06:19He won the second mafia war by exterminating the opposing gangs.
06:23He has a dozen trials and as many life sentences behind him.
06:27Of him, in the year 1992, there are neither traces nor images,
06:32except for the identity card photograph taken 40 years earlier.
06:35On the other hand, his wife, Ninetta Pagarella,
06:39She gave birth to their four children regularly in the Noto clinic on Via Dante, in Palermo.
06:44All registered in the registry office, all regularly baptized,
06:48without any of the investigators ever having thought of checking and following them.
06:53Many true and plausible things are said about Rina.
06:57According to the magistrates, he ordered the deaths of at least 300 people, or 3,000.
07:01he goes around with a heavily armed escort, or rather no, he has just changed his features.
07:06He moves between Italy and America, or rather no, he has never left his hometown of Sicily.
07:13We actually knew little about Rina, we knew that she was a ruthless person,
07:24but we didn't know anything else about him.
07:26there was no photo, we couldn't find the files, we found very little,
07:33because he was about 25 years old from a distance.
07:37There was a photographic reconstruction done by the FBI, I believe.
07:46it was a bit too little to be able to say with certainty that it's him.
07:53And so we associated the face, of what it could be like,
07:59to everything that was the side dish,
08:03men, the trusted ones, the less trusted ones, the interests,
08:08where he acted and how he acted.
08:10We knew he was in Palermo,
08:13we imagined it,
08:15Why
08:16the strength of these people
08:20he's inside the house,
08:22it's in Palermo,
08:24or in any case in Sicily.
08:30In Rome, the newly formed government led by Giuliano Amato
08:34new anti-mafia laws will be implemented.
08:36The Corleonesi kill Ignazio Salvo,
08:39considered as Salvolima,
08:41one of the links between procurement, the mafia, and politics.
08:44Ultimo and his men
08:46they are working on preparations for the trip to Palermo.
08:49First some of my men come down
08:52to know the streets,
08:54to enter the mind
08:57and in the daily life of Palermo and Sicily.
09:04And then they go through a period of settling in,
09:07of exploration.
09:08Then I'll go down too
09:10and we start the activities in September.
09:13In September the group is formed,
09:15there are 14 men plus the last one.
09:18The group also has a nickname,
09:19his name is Crimoro,
09:20combat military unit
09:22and a goal,
09:23the ghost of Corleone.
09:25We left from Milan,
09:27we arrived at the port of Genoa
09:29where we embarked.
09:31There were about ten of us,
09:33I don't remember well now,
09:35about ten colleagues
09:36with cars and technical material
09:42and we left for Palermo.
09:45While we were on the ship,
09:47at one point we had a Clio,
09:50a beautiful Clio,
09:51everyone wanted this Clio
09:53to drive her to Palermo.
09:55But a mafioso had been kidnapped,
09:59a certain Cangialosi.
10:00We ended up with this one here on
10:02who was looking at the car.
10:04we had disguised it a bit,
10:07he took away the things he had put there,
10:09but there were few of them
10:12at that time.
10:14And this one was looking at the car,
10:16we had changed the license plates,
10:17that's where it was hanging out.
10:20And so,
10:21then we spent the night
10:22anyway to check the car,
10:23we were afraid that this
10:24try to get inside to understand.
10:25We embarked in Genoa
10:27with all vehicles,
10:31the weapons
10:32and the hope of succeeding.
10:36Aware
10:37that the undertaking was arduous,
10:40but not at all discouraged,
10:41in fact, very motivated.
10:44After about ten days of sailing
10:46we still didn't see land,
10:49we were near Palermo.
10:51I was sitting on the deck of the ship,
10:54next to me,
10:56a few meters away,
10:57I think Viking or archer,
11:00a robin landed.
11:02A robin right on the ship's wing.
11:08As far as I know, robins are
11:10sedentary animals,
11:12they are not migratory.
11:14Yet this came flying.
11:17I pointed this out to Viking
11:19or archer who was near me
11:20and I said guys,
11:22the robin came to visit us,
11:24we will make it.
11:29They arrive when it has just taken place
11:31Operation Sicilian Vespers.
11:33Eight thousand soldiers sent from Rome
11:35to patrol the streets
11:36after the Capaci and Via D'Amelio massacres.
11:39It's the first time in Italy
11:40the armed forces are employed
11:42for public order.
11:43It serves to reassure people,
11:46a little less to worry the mafia.
11:48For this reason those September days in Palermo
11:51the streets are full of light and cameras.
11:54Finally his men remain invisible
11:57It's difficult, but not impossible.
12:00We arrive in Palermo.
12:02Each of us lived in different places,
12:06but this is precisely to avoid being
12:10identified as a group.
12:12We slept scattered around.
12:14We slept scattered around the hotels,
12:16in B&Bs, some in campers,
12:18someone slept in the car.
12:22Because we didn't trust the barracks.
12:25In the sense that a lot of people pass through there anyway.
12:28It happened to me in Palermo
12:30to live even in a convent.
12:34with some friars.
12:35We tried to learn a little about the city,
12:37because we were in a reality
12:41which is unknown to us.
12:44So, even the way of driving itself,
12:47even human contact,
12:49we had to try to fit in for a moment
12:52as far as possible in the context of society.
12:55Every morning we met at a pre-arranged place
12:59and from there we began our observation activities,
13:03control and shadowing.
13:04We left in the morning at dawn, so to speak,
13:07and we returned late at night,
13:10when the subject decided to withdraw.
13:13But if it was over for him, it wasn't for us,
13:15because then entering the office,
13:17we were taking stock of the situation,
13:21we analyzed the acquired material
13:24to make a targeted choice,
13:28investigative, on what to do the next day.
13:31We have always worked without timetables,
13:33but even more so it is there,
13:35because there we were all far from our families,
13:37so we had no other interests
13:39than those of working
13:40and hope to get to the end
13:45that we had been asked to leave
13:48and each return to their own homes.
13:51Was there food?
13:54Take-out food, pizzas, sfinciuni.
13:59It was rare to get a decent meal,
14:06but our spirits were always cheerful,
14:12the spirit was that of soldiers.
14:14It is a job that on average involves
14:19a load of about 12-14 hours a day.
14:23We were always alone,
14:26connected to each other only by radio,
14:30so we had to make do with everything,
14:33from the simplest things,
14:35that is, eating the most important things.
14:39Many times we said at night,
14:41you arrived so tired,
14:44that you couldn't go,
14:46At least I didn't go to dinner,
14:48I often bought myself a chicken,
14:49because I was dreaming,
14:50I saw the chickens,
14:51in Palermo the police are on the move,
14:53you see the chickens, right?
14:54And the evening comes when I had chicken,
14:58I was dreaming.
14:59I bought the chicken,
15:01I spent 5 thousand lire,
15:02but they wouldn't refund me
15:03because they gave me the receipt,
15:04if I asked him that
15:05give me an invoice for a chicken
15:06I was going to hell.
15:08The first ring of research
15:10it's the Ganci family,
15:12mafiosi from the Noce neighborhood.
15:14It was the family of a family from Palermo
15:18referred to as family
15:21which could be close to Totorina.
15:24The captain has outlined the objective
15:30that had been assigned to us,
15:31practically the identification of Ganci Raffaele.
15:36To have information superiority
15:38on a goal,
15:40follow him,
15:40know what he does,
15:42who meets,
15:42his habits,
15:43his weaknesses,
15:44it takes patience,
15:46it takes method.
15:48Our working method
15:49it wasn't a job,
15:51It cannot be defined as a job,
15:55cannot be included in employment contracts,
15:59cannot be considered
16:01a work activity,
16:02but it's a fight,
16:04it's a struggle.
16:06It's a fight that is fought one day at a time,
16:09hour by hour,
16:10street by street.
16:12We in Palermo have applied
16:15what we had already practiced in Milan
16:19on the Duomo Connection,
16:21that is, we had developed the ability
16:24to follow fugitives,
16:27to document visits to logistics bases,
16:29to follow live the activities of a criminal organization.
16:36With the last one we start to think about technology,
16:39we're starting to talk about stalking,
16:44of observation,
16:47thus the OCP was born,
16:49observation, control and shadowing,
16:51analyze the subjects we follow,
16:54know the areas of intervention frequented by the subjects
16:59pay attention and analyze the phenomenon precisely
17:04to be able to eradicate,
17:07that is, to locate all the members.
17:11There were no technological means
17:13which have certainly led to the present day
17:16they have an importance,
17:17a very significant value.
17:20At the time, just think that GPS didn't exist,
17:24there were no certain recording equipment,
17:30so we were the GPS.
17:33The fugitive is the resource.
17:35Following it means reconstructing the map of places,
17:38of contacts, of accomplices.
17:40It means listening to his conversations
17:42with ambient microphones,
17:44film him in his apartments thanks to the bugs.
17:48It is the method perfected by Carlo Alberto dalla Chiesa
17:51in the years of terrorism
17:52and then by General Mario Mori
17:54when he recommended to his investigators
17:57«I don't want the egg today nor the chicken tomorrow,
18:00but when will the chicken coop be built?
18:03But of course the first link in the chain
18:05it's never that easy to find.
18:07In Palermo the Ganci brothers do not live where they say they do,
18:11they don't work where they should,
18:13they live as fugitives even if they are not officially so.
18:18Locate this Raffaele Ganci
18:20it wasn't easy
18:22because he did not live at his residence.
18:26There are no files on him,
18:28There is no information.
18:30It takes them a month to find out where he really lives.
18:33We followed him
18:34and we arrived at the house in Borgo Molara
18:37which we then called Camelot
18:39because this complex was made up of three towers.
18:43And so we discovered
18:44that the Ganci della Noce family
18:48they had a whole series of butcher shops
18:50and yet in reality they also had construction companies,
18:56construction sites followed.
18:59and then we started to see all their activities,
19:01we started to see the acquaintances they had
19:06and we got an idea of ​​their composition
19:10and we started following them.
19:13Weeks of shadowing
19:15and weeks to identify people
19:17that they meet through the license plates of cars,
19:19addresses, electricity utilities
19:21to rebuild the network of relationships around the Ganci family
19:24until one detail among a thousand turns out to be precious.
19:30We following Ganci Domenico
19:33we arrive at one of the many shadowings
19:36and we lose it in an area near via Bernini
19:41and this fact remains impressed on us
19:43that we couldn't see where he went.
19:47But we remembered the place well
19:49where we had lost it and we knew the area around it.
19:52There was a green gate
19:53that Viking always repeated
19:56that this green gate had left an impression on him.
20:00Viking also has an important sensitivity
20:06without taking anything away from others of course.
20:10And I remember Viking though
20:11who was talking about this green gate.
20:14That first time was in November 1992.
20:17Viking stops at the beginning of Via Giorgione
20:19fearing a closed road.
20:22He is forced to stop stalking.
20:24The next day he decides to do it on foot.
20:28He discovers that Via Giorgione ends in Via Bernini
20:30where a wall protects a complex of villas.
20:33And access is barred by a green gate.
20:38Save the place
20:38he talks about it at the meeting that Ultimo calls every evening
20:41to analyze the investigations carried out and those to be carried out.
20:47We don't decide the time
20:50but the opponent decides that.
20:53Even the places are sometimes decided by the opponent
20:56when we are informationally fragile.
20:59When we have information superiority
21:02We choose the space, the places, the locations.
21:06This is an important thing in the fight.
21:10to be masters of the space, of the places where to act.
21:16But not time.
21:18They always choose the time.
21:19The enemy always chooses it.
21:23On January 8, 1993,
21:26a thousand kilometers further north, in the province of Novara,
21:29he is arrested by the police
21:31a very particular Palermitan.
21:33His name is Balduccio Di Maggio,
21:34he is a mafia soldier.
21:36He fled to Piedmont to sponge
21:38to Totò Riina's hitmen,
21:39who sentenced him to death.
21:41And Di Maggio can't wait to settle the bill
21:44with the boss of bosses.
21:45Balduccio Di Maggio was arrested in Borgo Manero, Novara.
21:49he was found in his friend's house.
21:54He, just to avoid ending up in prison,
21:56because he knew he had been condemned by Totò Riina,
22:02he said that he had been a driver
22:04and wanted to collaborate in order to capture the fugitive.
22:12Balduccio Di Maggio offers information on Riina
22:15and on his absence.
22:17After the first interrogation,
22:18he is put on a plane by the police
22:20and transferred to Palermo during the night.
22:23Balduccio Di Maggio appears on the scene,
22:26they ask us to listen to Balduccio Di Maggio
22:31and to check if what he was saying
22:35could be useful for research
22:37and the activity we were doing.
22:40And he was talking about the Samson brothers,
22:42he said that Riina was held by the hooks of the walnut
22:46or the Samson brothers.
22:49But since we had seen that the hooks did not hold it,
22:53because we had been following them for three months,
22:57then we understood that it was important
22:59focus on the Samson brothers,
23:02who were important builders in Palermo.
23:06The Sansone brothers are the latest piece of the investigation.
23:10Their names are Gaetano Giuseppe.
23:12They own one of the largest construction companies in Palermo.
23:17Until then, never involved in mafia investigations,
23:20the last men shine a light on them.
23:24It is January 13, 1993.
23:28At that point, among the various investigations,
23:31we see that at that green gate
23:35where we lost Domenico Ganci,
23:36there was an electricity contract
23:39registered to one of the Sansone brothers.
23:44And for us that was a very important indicator.
23:50So we had...
23:52In our opinion it was a strategic objective
23:54to be verified, to be able to work on it
23:57to check who frequented this place.
24:03So, on the evening of the 13th
24:06we took ourselves to Via Bernini at 54
24:09and we saw that above the intercom
24:13there was the name Samson right there.
24:16So it could have been Samson's potential home.
24:23and it was a complex enclosed by a high surrounding wall,
24:27three meters, that was all, you couldn't see inside.
24:31Let's do a site inspection,
24:33we immediately think of monitoring this objective
24:38and what do you do?
24:41This technical device called a whale is placed.
24:44The whale, the whale is nothing but a half-bellied,
24:52a van, usually a pickup truck,
24:54where inside there was one of our operators,
24:59one of our soldiers who was in charge of filming,
25:03like a mobile office.
25:07To be honest,
25:09it was invented by the great general of the church
25:13in the period of terrorism.
25:15Another circle tightens around the ghost of Salvatore Riina.
25:20For the first time, after six months of investigation,
25:23Ultimo and his men have the feeling
25:25that we are close to an important turning point.
25:39On the 14th we saw this character come out
25:43who was then Samson Joseph
25:45and we followed him through the streets of Palermo.
25:49They came in, they went out, they played,
25:51they lingered even for just a few seconds,
25:56cars passing by, vehicles parked, etc.
26:00This is to make it clear
26:02who were the people who gravitated around that house number.
26:08We have practically followed this Samson
26:11who had some slightly abnormal behaviors
26:13because he stopped, got out of the car,
26:18he looked at all the cars, all the drivers
26:20and the passengers of the cars that followed him,
26:23he was going back up, he was reversing,
26:25that is, it did not give a smooth ride
26:27which allowed us to follow him without being seen.
26:32However, we managed to document all his meetings.
26:35until, I think, 5, 4:30,
26:38at 5 pm.
26:41After that, notifying the office,
26:45it was appropriate to stop
26:47because otherwise we would have been identified.
26:49We do a day of observation
26:53and in the evening we'll go back to check the results of the video
26:57and we usually did them at night.
27:00We came back and took stock of the situation as usual.
27:04with the captain
27:06and then from there they reviewed all the footage
27:11that had been made,
27:13a filmed documentation that had been made during the day.
27:17Characters who entered and exited that house number.
27:21We were at the same old second-hand desk
27:25that we used, with Oscar, with Viking,
27:30with the fighters of all time, with the few fighters of all time,
27:34with the usual half pizza,
27:36with the Coca-Cola can placed on the table.
27:40I saw what was happening
27:44like when it happens to you in a movie.
27:46You who take yourself away and see yourself standing there
27:48at half past ten in the evening with a slice of pizza,
27:52with the pizza box, with the Coca-Cola,
27:55with beautiful, very tired people
27:58who are watching a video.
28:01And so as in an input you say
28:03but sorry, there's the collaborator who is resting in the house
28:07but go call him and bring him here.
28:09At least he sees them with us.
28:11The night between January 14th and 15th
28:15I remember being woken up
28:20around 2-3 in the morning from a colleague who tells me
28:24Look, there's some news, we have to go to the office right away.
28:29It's the night of the twist.
28:30This film is shown to Balduccio di Maggio
28:33of a golf leaving the gate on Via Bernini
28:35with a man at the wheel, a woman at his side
28:38and two other people behind.
28:40And at one point, while watching the video,
28:43he says but this is Di Marco, the sutler of the Rina family.
28:50After a while the video continues
28:52this is Rina's son, this is Rina's daughter,
28:56this is Ninetta Bagarella.
28:59And at that point the goal was good
29:02so we had seen the place where Rina's family lived.
29:08We had a briefing, we decided to put, to put the device
29:13among other things we also decided not to make mistakes
29:16to put inside the whale together with Ombra also with Balduccio di Maggio
29:19because Balduccio di Maggio was the whale
29:22and so because he knew Rina, nobody knew Rina.
29:25I trained Colonel Mori
29:29I organized the service with all our fighters
29:35and I demanded that on the van
29:38that day Balduccio di Maggio also came out.
29:43That morning at dawn on January 15th
29:46lastly his men expect to hook up with Ninetta Bagarella again
29:50follow her and finally reach the goal of their investigation
29:54the hiding place of the man who holds Sicily and Italy in check.
30:00It seems like we were already there at 5
30:03because the sun wasn't high yet.
30:05We came out with a less substantial device
30:09a few more cars
30:10we usually went out with 5 cars
30:12I think we had 7 that day.
30:14The device was positioned in a manner
30:17that if any car came or went it was seen
30:22and we were in a position to hook him up
30:25and follow him.
30:27We'll be located near number 54.
30:32covering all adjacent streets 360 degrees
30:37and we await events.
30:40That day he also came out last
30:42together with us who sometimes went out
30:45sometimes he didn't come out.
30:47We imagined seeing Mrs. Bagarella
30:49Di Marco go out and follow Di Marco
30:52because he had said
30:54Banduccio Di Maggio
30:55that Di Marco was the sutler
30:56the one who brought the food
30:59physically
30:59he took care of the physical existence of Rimini
31:01so he was the key.
31:03From 6 to 8 we stayed around there
31:06checking, cleaning up
31:08that there was no one
31:09that there were no mafiosi
31:10that no one would arrive
31:11then there is the nervousness
31:15what is always there
31:16because you know when you're waiting
31:17do an OCP
31:18you wait for someone to get out of his goal
31:20it's always the wait
31:22it's the crazy thing
31:24to stand still
31:26wait
31:27wait for hours and hours.
31:47Events are coming practically
31:50an hour or two later
31:53When
31:55When
31:55at 54
31:57a Citroën ZX arrives
31:59with on board
32:00a person
32:01that goes down
32:02he plays
32:03and enter
32:05in the residential complex.
32:07There were only a few minutes left
32:08at 8
32:09and Shadow communicated
32:10that had arrived
32:11a
32:12a French woman
32:13because there
32:13we had
32:14we had a radio phrasebook
32:15just to avoid
32:17that maybe
32:17our
32:19we could have been
32:20listen to yourself
32:20from third parties
32:21And
32:23he communicated
32:24that had arrived
32:25this green French.
32:26At some point
32:27enter
32:28a machine
32:29And
32:30Balduccio says
32:31Attention
32:32here it is
32:32Blondie
32:33he called him
32:34Biondolillo
32:35Blond in reality
32:36he was a person
32:37a character
32:38very important
32:39he was the boss
32:39of the mandate
32:40of San Lorenzo
32:41and it was
32:42let's say
32:43the reference
32:44Lina's principal
32:45within
32:46of the balances
32:46of the deployment
32:47Corleonese.
32:48And Shadow tells us
32:51And
32:52Blondie
32:53boss
32:54mandate
32:56he's a boss
32:57mandate
32:57what came in
32:58district head
32:59it's a figure
33:00very important
33:01at mafia level
33:04and then
33:04from there
33:07eye
33:08Therefore
33:09the extra machines
33:11they start to do
33:11reconnaissance around
33:12to the objectives
33:13to see if there were any
33:13other machines taken
33:14if there was any supply
33:16if there was anyone
33:16of control
33:21fear
33:22there has always been
33:24we are
33:25human beings
33:26and like everyone else
33:27humans
33:28there are moments
33:29of fear
33:31we were good
33:32to overcome
33:33fear
33:34through
33:35believing in it
33:36through
33:38our
33:38training
33:40through
33:41our
33:42values
33:45who is not afraid
33:47he is not a person
33:48when they are done
33:49these activities
33:50here
33:55who tells you
33:55who is not afraid
33:56he's crazy
33:57or a reckless one
33:59fear
34:00must be part of
34:00of you
34:01fear
34:01it's safety
34:02that you do things well
34:04actually
34:04it's not even
34:05fear
34:05that kill you
34:06actually
34:07the worst thing
34:08for an operator
34:09for an operator
34:10who does these things here
34:11you know what it is
34:11to get caught
34:14and ruin
34:16the work
34:17what they did
34:17the others
34:18who carries out
34:19this type
34:19of activities here
34:20it's obvious
34:21that one must
34:22also to shoulder
34:24of the risks
34:24our boss
34:25was
34:26threatened with death
34:28and it was given to him
34:28promised death
34:30therefore he
34:30first
34:31it's been 25 years now
34:33who must live
34:35under guardianship
34:36under escort
34:37but they are risks
34:38that we run
34:39because already before
34:40to do
34:41this activity
34:43and before reaching
34:44these goals
34:44we already had it
34:45taking into account
34:48but that morning
34:49there isn't even one
34:49the weather
34:50to be afraid
34:51the automatic gate
34:52of Bernini Street
34:53it reopens
34:54and reappears
34:54the green Citroen
34:55and this time
34:56on the car
34:57there are two of them
34:58shadow
34:59which was
35:00in a whale
35:01says be careful
35:02our friend comes out
35:04Sbirulino
35:05which was the name
35:06of operational
35:08that we had given
35:09to Riina
35:11and there
35:12adrenaline
35:12it went at a thousand
35:13at that point
35:14we follow him
35:15they follow him
35:16to move away
35:17from Via Bernini 54
35:18and not to make it clear
35:20to the mafiosi
35:21who have identified
35:22Riina's house
35:24the car
35:26turning point
35:27left
35:28towards
35:29Sicilian regions
35:31left
35:34luckily
35:35let's say
35:36candle
35:37I was there
35:38there was
35:39on a machine
35:41there was the boss
35:42and Viking
35:43on another machine
35:44there was Omar
35:45still on another machine
35:46me and Arce
35:47we were two different machines
35:48while Viking
35:51it's last
35:53the soul
35:53we did
35:56let's say
35:57a kilometer
35:57we have arrived
35:58on Via Regione Siciliana
35:59with Nutella
36:01city
36:02At that time
36:03we took
36:04to follow him
36:04we closed it
36:06and when he entered
36:07in Sicilian regions
36:09he got closer
36:10towards
36:10the roundabout
36:12there is a hell of a traffic
36:13we closed it there
36:15I Arce
36:16and Viking
36:18in proximity
36:18of the Agip distributor
36:19there was
36:21a
36:22a kind of sentry box
36:23with the traffic policeman
36:24at the traffic light
36:25he stops at the traffic light
36:26in the device
36:27we put ourselves in
36:27one in front
36:28one behind
36:29we're closing it
36:29and coverage
36:30Therefore
36:31absolute superiority
36:33on the opponent
36:35at that moment
36:35we didn't know
36:36if
36:36there were other machines
36:38who followed him
36:38who were waiting for him
36:39who were looking at him
36:40and at the traffic light
36:41the
36:42we take
36:43we seize it
36:45basically
36:46at the traffic light
36:48all four of them go down
36:49Last one opens wide
36:50the door
36:51of Citroen
36:52and drag
36:52Savior
36:53Riina
36:53on the asphalt
36:54immobilizing him
36:58Archer
36:59it's the same
36:59opening wide
37:00the door
37:01by Biondino
37:01the driver
37:03I
37:04Viking
37:07Last
37:07and Archer
37:08we closed
37:09the machine
37:10we surrounded it
37:11we blocked it
37:13we opened
37:15right away
37:15the doors
37:15lateral
37:16and we pulled
37:17out
37:18the occupants
37:20we went down
37:21from the car
37:21with the captain
37:24with the
37:24with colleague
37:26Archer
37:26and Omar
37:28we have them
37:28we have them
37:30pull yourself down
37:30from the car
37:31and remained
37:32when we take them
37:33Not
37:34we don't do it
37:36nothing else
37:37what to tell him
37:37Carabinieri
37:38don't worry
37:40everything's fine
37:41but this
37:42we do it
37:42Why
37:43Why
37:43maybe they
37:45they were more afraid
37:46Perhaps
37:46of others
37:47that not
37:48about us
37:49It's 9.01am
37:51the fugitive
37:52by Salvatore
37:53Riina
37:53duration 23 years
37:54it ends at that moment
37:55in the middle of traffic
37:57from Palermo
37:57Riina
37:59When
37:59we got it
38:00I remember
38:01who had eyes
38:02of a person
38:02that he wasn't understanding
38:04not even him
38:04what was happening
38:05that is Riina
38:06I had
38:07In my opinion
38:07I was scared
38:08at that moment
38:09I think
38:10that the
38:11the people
38:12in
38:12present
38:13in Kennedy Square
38:14that at that time
38:15it was really a lot
38:16don't have
38:17I didn't understand
38:18absolutely nothing
38:19in fact there
38:20there was also
38:21a
38:22patrol
38:22of the police
38:23or of the traffic police
38:24I don't remember
38:25to whom
38:26it was just
38:26made a gesture
38:27Everything is fine
38:28Carabinieri
38:29normal operation
38:30of the police
38:31Here you are
38:31in the car
38:33we explained
38:34which was
38:35our prisoner
38:39he makes him lie down
38:40face down
38:41between the front seats
38:42and those behind
38:42and keeps it under control
38:44while Viking drives
38:45during the trip
38:47he said
38:47who are you
38:48who are you
38:49I feel bad
38:50I feel bad
38:51but
38:54us too
38:55we were feeling bad
38:56and then
38:57we saw
38:58a person
38:59who is afraid
39:01a little cowardly
39:01and this
39:02it is not
39:03it's not fair
39:06but
39:07everything has it
39:07In short
39:08a prisoner
39:08like many others
39:09who has the right
39:10to the guarantees
39:11That
39:13that the Constitution
39:14gives him
39:15And
39:17a prisoner
39:18which needs to be treated
39:19as
39:19with respect
39:21with which they should be treated
39:22all prisoners
39:22so we left
39:25with Rina in the car
39:27and with Biondino
39:28savior
39:29on the other car
39:30and there was a lot of traffic
39:32we didn't have
39:33patrols
39:35of the carabinieri
39:36in uniform
39:36who could escort us
39:38as
39:38Not
39:39Meaning what
39:40for traffic
39:41it couldn't be reached
39:42and then also why
39:43Not
39:45we couldn't
39:47communicate
39:48to the operations center
39:49of the carabinieri
39:50our movements
39:51so we had to
39:52go through everything away
39:53the Sicilian region
39:55arrive in progress
39:56Calatafimi
39:57and finally
39:58then arrive
39:59within
39:59of the barracks
40:00the carabinieri
40:00and we had to behave
40:02like ordinary citizens
40:04with the only difference
40:05that Morina had
40:06lying down
40:06on the
40:07on the ground
40:08behind
40:09and it was
40:10a very long journey
40:11it's obvious that it was
40:13a
40:13a journey
40:15long
40:16for us
40:16I think that
40:17eh
40:18it was
40:19it was
40:20Still
40:21even longer
40:21why not
40:22it didn't end
40:23it didn't end
40:24it never ended
40:25we arrive at the barracks
40:26we park the cars
40:27And
40:28let's say that there
40:30eh
40:30nobody knew
40:31still nothing
40:32but
40:33maybe in the air
40:34there was something
40:35Then
40:35see us come in
40:37in the barracks
40:38in this way
40:39ruenta
40:40when we
40:41we always went in
40:42absolutely
40:43anonymous
40:44and with a low profile
40:45the eh
40:46let's say the light bulbs
40:48yes they are
40:48they lit up
40:49for everyone
40:50the chingo
40:51he had the scarf
40:52we didn't put the handcuffs on
40:53he held it with the scarf
40:56he made him go up
40:58in the offices
40:59and at that point
41:00we called
41:01the commander
41:03we offered him
41:04a glass of water
41:06That
41:07That
41:07That
41:07That
41:07that we have
41:09put on hold
41:10of the authorities
41:12judicial
41:14DeCaprio
41:15he made him sit down
41:16the photography of
41:17Of
41:18Of
41:18from the church
41:19which is
41:20always been
41:21our myth
41:22In short
41:22a myth of the commander
41:23from the church
41:30Rina
41:32incredible character
41:33little one
41:36dress
41:37a jacket
41:37I had
41:38he had some notes
41:38in hand
41:39some sheets of paper
41:40dressed up a little
41:41I don't say like a farmer
41:42but
41:43Very
41:43a bit
41:44unkempt
41:45but two incredible eyes
41:46very intelligent
41:47character
41:48I think a lot
41:49very very intelligent
41:50it was very quiet
41:54while instead
41:55Blondie
41:57he started doing it
41:58a bit
41:58the witty one
42:00a bit
42:01raise your voice
42:02and I remember that
42:03at a certain point
42:05Rina
42:05raise your head
42:07he looks at it
42:10Blondie
42:10lower your head
42:11has never
42:12he no longer has
42:13said a word
42:14I remember that
42:15I had it stopped
42:16the card
42:17signage
42:18to Rina
42:20looking at him like this
42:24gave the idea
42:25Of
42:26an old man
42:28a person
42:29very normal
42:31but it isn't
42:35Good evening
42:35an edition
42:36flash
42:37of ours
42:37TV news
42:38to be able to show you
42:39the face
42:40by Totò
42:41Rina
42:43today he won
42:44the State
42:45and with the calabinieri
42:46who arrested
42:47Toto
42:47Rina
42:47this morning
42:48at 8.30
42:49Italy won
42:50we won
42:51all of us
42:51the agencies
42:53they beat the news
42:54of the arrest
42:54by Rina
42:55the news
42:56in edition
42:56extraordinary
42:57they're relaunching it
42:58is the answer
42:59of the State
43:00to the massacres
43:00of Capaci
43:01and Via D'Amelio
43:02it's the victory
43:03of the State
43:04on Cosa Nostra
43:07it's one of the few times
43:08in my life
43:09that I saw
43:09so many people
43:10Like this
43:10all together
43:11all happy
43:12No?
43:13we were happy
43:14us too
43:15Why
43:15we were
43:17we had succeeded
43:19in our
43:19in our intent
43:21the general command
43:22live
43:22he connected
43:24all car radios
43:25of the weapon
43:25of the carabinieri
43:26throughout Italy
43:27breaking the news
43:29that the
43:31the head of Cosa Nostra
43:31it had been
43:32arrested
43:33from the weapon
43:33of the carabinieri
43:35there was
43:36enthusiasm
43:37joy
43:38happiness
43:38on everyone's part
43:39after half an hour
43:40the offices
43:41they invaded
43:42of people never seen
43:43including magistrates
43:44Toll booths
43:46had just arrived
43:47had settled in
43:48that day there
43:49in Palermo
43:50Giancarlo Caselli
43:52since that day
43:52head of the prosecutor's office
43:53he rushes
43:54in the barracks
43:55all the colonels are arriving
43:57and the general
43:58chancellors
44:00the televisions are coming
44:02and the journalists
44:03Rina Salvatore
44:04was
44:06captured
44:07from the police
44:08this morning
44:09in Palermo
44:27first we have
44:28interrogated
44:29Blondie
44:32that he was telling
44:34the story
44:34of having met
44:35Rina
44:36on the road
44:36of having given him
44:37a passage
44:38so however
44:38important
44:39they didn't understand
44:40that we knew
44:42the place
44:43from which they had come out
44:44so we had
44:44worked well
44:45and he tells us
44:47of having given
44:48a passage
44:48to this farmer
44:50on the Sicilian region
44:53but
44:54equally
44:54we tell him
44:55alright
44:55we interrupt the minutes
44:57Why
44:57he tells a lie
44:59and then
45:01we complete
45:02the documents
45:03of the arrest
45:03and then they arrive
45:04and then they arrive
45:05the magistrates
45:05that present themselves
45:09to the prisoner
45:11and that's it
45:13and at that point
45:14we got there
45:17to watch
45:19immediately
45:20after the arrest
45:21we are around
45:21at 1pm
45:221.30pm
45:25and here
45:26the last one was invited
45:31from the officers
45:33commanders
45:34of the division
45:35I think
45:35of the region
45:36I do not know
45:36anyway from colleagues
45:38his superiors
45:39to celebrate
45:41at the club
45:43officers
45:44celebrate
45:44they wanted it
45:46there at the club
45:46officers
45:47to toast
45:48For
45:51last
45:53in his
45:54consistency
45:55when I grow up
45:56commander
45:56for what it is
45:57he didn't leave
45:58his men
46:00in that garage
46:02where they had been
46:03for messengers
46:04for six months
46:05on that desk
46:06that was swinging
46:07that was leaning on us
46:09a coffee
46:09he was going down
46:10he didn't give up on them
46:12the day of glory
46:13and there you can see it
46:13the real commander
46:14he stayed with us
46:16he is an officer
46:17from another dimension
46:18in the sense that
46:19he is an officer
46:19of those who in any case
46:20he takes the field
46:21and work with you
46:22and then
46:23it is very operational
46:25he preferred
46:26live the battle
46:27on the street
46:28rather than
46:28stay in offices
46:30or
46:32with his colleagues
46:33the beautiful thing
46:34In my opinion
46:35is that he succeeded
46:36to
46:37instill in us
46:38that will of his
46:40Of
46:41to materialize
46:42the investigations
46:44surrounded
46:45by dozens
46:45of armed men
46:46Totò Rina
46:47is transferred
46:48with a helicopter
46:49in a prison
46:49maximum security
46:52it's the triumph
46:53of Ultimo
46:54and his men
46:54a triumph
46:56full of applause
46:57of praise
46:57and of light
46:58or at least
46:58it seems
46:59after the arrest
47:00let's say
47:03I had
47:04way of looking at things
47:05one of mine
47:05hypothesis
47:06investigative
47:07which was that
47:08of not
47:08to do the search
47:10in the logistics base
47:13from which he had come out
47:15Riina
47:16Why
47:17I thought
47:18strategic
47:19and much more
47:19important
47:21in coherence
47:23with all my heart
47:23culture
47:24investigative
47:25to follow
47:27the brothers
47:27Samson
47:28that they were
47:28those
47:28that they had
47:29stipulated
47:31the contracts
47:32of that apartment
47:33that they were
47:34of entrepreneurs
47:35important
47:36why would they have us
47:38allowed
47:38to define
47:40through
47:41the observation
47:42the exact ones
47:43side dishes
47:44of the assets
47:47entrepreneurial
47:48builders
47:49in particular
47:50and political
47:52administrative
47:53that has always been
47:54they have formed
47:55the heart
47:56of business
47:56of Cosa Nostra
47:57from that moment on
47:59the troubles begin
48:00during the first
48:01meeting
48:02the Carabinieres
48:02from Palermo
48:03and some magistrates
48:04they would like to do it right away
48:05the search
48:06in the villa
48:07by Riina
48:07last
48:08he is against it
48:09the prosecutor
48:10Toll booths
48:11he takes sides
48:11with last
48:12and decides
48:13not to do it
48:19they have passed
48:20a few hours
48:21from the capture
48:22by Riina
48:22the initial euphoria
48:24it gets cracked
48:24from the divergences
48:25on strategy
48:26to follow
48:29during the first
48:30meeting
48:31the carabinieri
48:31from Palermo
48:32and some magistrates
48:33they would like to do it right away
48:35the search
48:35in the villa
48:36by Riina
48:38last
48:38and opposite
48:39the prosecutor
48:40Toll booths
48:41he takes sides
48:41with last
48:42and decides
48:43not to do it
48:45the idea
48:46of the boss
48:48era
48:48we keep
48:49Calm
48:50the situation
48:51for a while
48:52of time
48:53when they are
48:53calm the waters
48:54let's start attacking
48:56starting from the brothers
48:57Samson
48:58let's start attacking
48:59personages
49:00and goals
49:01at the moment
49:02Still
49:02Still
49:03absolutely
49:04clean
49:05how is it done?
49:06search
49:09an area
49:10so big
49:11in five minutes
49:13after the capture
49:14why four minutes
49:15after the arrest
49:17our thing
49:18he already knew
49:18of the arrest
49:19Therefore
49:19six minutes later
49:21all that
49:22that there was
49:23if there was
49:24of the material
49:26within
49:26he was already gone
49:27but then
49:28a boss
49:29mafia
49:30it would be carried
49:32documents
49:34compromising
49:35At home
49:36with his wife
49:37and with the children
49:37and we
49:38we don't have it
49:38arrested
49:38on the street
49:40this had
49:41another meaning
49:42had the meaning
49:43which therefore
49:44we didn't know
49:45Bernini Street
49:45and then
49:46we didn't know
49:47where he lived
49:48and then
49:49for the mafia
49:50there was one point left
49:50of question
49:52how did they do it
49:53to capture
49:54to Queen
49:55who spoke
49:57who did not speak
49:58who was it
50:01someone
50:01he sold it
50:02and it was anyway
50:04an insinuation
50:05that inside
50:06Cosa Nostra
50:06had brought
50:07the shambles
50:08the search
50:09At home
50:10by Totorina
50:11it wasn't to be done
50:12why us
50:13we had to
50:14keep clean
50:15that goal
50:16but I understand it
50:17that the person
50:18on the street
50:19he's right
50:19in this way
50:20why didn't you do it?
50:21the search
50:21you arrested him
50:22or he doesn't do the search
50:22if you arrest me
50:23take me home
50:24he searches me
50:27but what about professionals
50:28or pseudo-professionals
50:30like magistrates
50:32or even many
50:33officers
50:34or many officials
50:35who don't understand
50:37This
50:37At that time
50:39or they are in bad faith
50:40or they don't know how to do it
50:41their work
50:41I propose
50:43investigative projects
50:44with passion
50:45because I believe it
50:47but
50:48I don't fall in love
50:50nor of myself
50:51nor any projects
50:52that I propose
50:52never
50:55proposed this hypothesis
50:57That
50:57it was welcomed
50:59and which provided
51:01Therefore
51:01to resume
51:03the observations
51:04about the Sanzones
51:06to see
51:07precisely
51:08their circuit
51:09relational
51:12for them
51:13the villa
51:14has no
51:15importance
51:15investigative
51:17Ninetta Bagarella
51:19and the four children
51:20they abandon it
51:21coming back after
51:22twenty years
51:22in Corleone
51:23the mafiosi
51:24they empty it
51:25it was a strategy
51:29I think
51:30undigested
51:31from everyone
51:32but
51:33in the end
51:34shared
51:35why the prosecution
51:36he married her
51:37in full
51:38at that moment
51:39Toll booths
51:40had shared
51:41and had accepted
51:42this line
51:43investigative
51:44it's obvious
51:45that if the magistrate
51:46that at that moment
51:47had become
51:47the owner
51:48of the investigation
51:49the supreme leader
51:50of this investigation
51:51had said
51:52do the search
51:53we would have
51:54immediately
51:54the search was carried out
51:56because it is necessary
51:57always obey
51:58and respect
51:59the orders given
52:00absolutely
52:01we have always been
52:03a group
52:04very united
52:06because a lot
52:07attached to values
52:09justice
52:09loyalty
52:12honesty
52:13never out
52:15of the rules
52:15we have never done
52:16something
52:17we never hit
52:18a
52:18never
52:20because it's stupid
52:21never
52:22we did
52:24something
52:25or insulted
52:26a
52:27a
52:29criminal
52:31never gone
52:32against the judiciary
52:33Therefore
52:34if
52:36toll booths
52:36had said
52:37him
52:38you have to
52:39to do the search
52:40and we
52:41we would have done
52:41the search
52:44last
52:45it wouldn't have been
52:45never taken
52:46the responsibility
52:46to say
52:47for how then
52:49I know last
52:49to say
52:51towards us
52:52above all
52:53because then
52:53he had a great
52:54respect
52:54of his men
52:55but never
52:56would be taken
52:56the responsibility
52:57to make us do it
52:58something
52:58that was going
52:59against the rules
53:01absolutely
53:04the search
53:05of the villa
53:06by Riina
53:06it will be done
53:0718 days
53:08after the arrest
53:09a delay
53:10which according to the magistrates
53:11Ingroia and Prestipino
53:13would have made things easier
53:14the mafia
53:15last
53:16and died
53:16they will be placed
53:17under investigation
53:18and after ten years
53:19of processes
53:20acquitted
53:23meanwhile
53:24the failure
53:25search
53:25will become
53:26the piece
53:27of another process
53:28the one about the negotiation
53:29mafia state
53:30in which the accusation
53:31he claims
53:32that the capture
53:32by Riina
53:33sold
53:33to the police
53:34would have been part
53:35of an agreement
53:36to ensure
53:37better conditions
53:38prison
53:39to the bosses
53:39and the end
53:40of the massacres
53:44a negotiation
53:45conduct
53:46from the mafia
53:46with bombs
53:47in Florence
53:48Rome
53:49Milan
53:49guilty
53:50in the first degree
53:51Dell'Utri
53:52and Bagarella
53:53on one side
53:53the generals
53:55Moors
53:55and Subranni
53:56on the other
54:00but beyond
54:01of all things
54:01the story
54:03it was examined
54:03Well
54:04in the appropriate place
54:06the controversies
54:07they only serve
54:07to strengthen
54:08the mafia
54:09and we have to
54:09just be close
54:10to the prosecutor's office
54:11from Palermo
54:12to all the prosecutors
54:13to all the police
54:14and to all those
54:15that still
54:16despite it all
54:17they want
54:17to fight
54:18on the road
54:18without asking
54:20nothing for himself
54:23no, I didn't expect it
54:24Nothing
54:26and I don't expect
54:27Nothing
54:29I fought
54:30the battles
54:31on the road
54:32and I fought them
54:32in the classrooms
54:33of the debate
54:34in the same way
54:34with simplicity
54:36with humility
54:37with anger
54:40and with few
54:42fighters
54:43that to the end
54:44they were
54:45on the road
54:46or on the classrooms
54:47without running away
54:48and without wanting to
54:50nothing for himself
54:52many years
54:53of accusations
54:53and processes
54:54they have not affected
54:55cohesion
54:56of the group
54:57the weapon though
54:58he dismantled it
54:59and missing
55:00none of them
55:01after having captured
55:02Riina
55:03and fought
55:04the mafia
55:04would you ever have
55:05waited for the accusation
55:06to have favored her
55:09I would do it all again
55:10because for me
55:11all these years
55:12they were
55:14beautiful
55:14with many
55:16sacrifices
55:17but
55:18I'll do it again
55:19and we are here
55:21with a cover
55:25with a hood
55:26with a scarf
55:28to talk about a name
55:30of battle
55:31to speak
55:32as if this were
55:34one thing
55:36pussy
55:37as if it were
55:38one thing
55:38to show off
55:39this is not
55:40something to show off
55:41this is an awareness
55:43it's a choice
55:44to be a shadow
55:45of being nobody
55:47not to be one
55:48who boasts
55:50of himself
55:51it's a sacrifice
55:52the hiding
55:54and it is not
55:55it does not derive
55:56to create
55:57to scare
55:58how the departments do it
55:59special to people
56:00when they do
56:01a raid
56:01Why
56:02is to remain invisible
56:04is to remain the wind
56:05because the same person
56:06then he will do
56:07of the shadowings
56:08This
56:09that's why we
56:10we have always been
56:11hidden
56:12that's why we avoided it
56:13and we have always avoided
56:14to do the interviews
56:15and to go with your face uncovered
56:17when possible
56:18not to affirm
56:20a myth
56:20or to create myths
56:21and to go with your face uncovered
56:51and to go with your face uncovered
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