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ON RECORD SA UNANG HIRIT na nilinaw ni Atty. Michael Poa, legal counsel ni Vice Pres. Sara Duterte, na hindi nila sinasabing mali o gawa-gawa ang mga numerong galing sa AMLC ngunit aniya, ito raw ay aggregated o pinagsama-samang inflow at outflow sa loob ng maraming taon.
Sinagot niya rin ang iba pang mga alegasyong ibinabato sa bise pati ang posibilidad na mapunta sa trial ang impeachment ni VP Sara.
Sinagot niya rin ang iba pang mga alegasyong ibinabato sa bise pati ang posibilidad na mapunta sa trial ang impeachment ni VP Sara.
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00:00Wala kaming paratang na false yan or gawa-gawa lang yung mga numera.
00:05Hindi ganun. It's just a manner of presentation
00:07and the manner by which, by its very nature sa AMLOC, it's aggravated.
00:19Pilipinas, gising na.
00:21Usapang impeachment po ulit tayo kahapon na nindigan si Vice President Sara Duterte na Lejitimo
00:26ang lahat ng mga ari-arian at perang nakadeklara sa kanyang SAL-N.
00:31Itinanggin niya rin ay ba pang mga aligasyon na lumutang sa pagdinig ng kamera?
00:35Yan ang ating pag-uusapan. Lilinawin at hihimayin.
00:38On record sa unang hirin.
00:43At makasama po natin ngayong umaga,
00:45legal counsel at spokesperson ng kanyang defense team,
00:47Attorney Michael Powa.
00:49Attorney, welcome back. Maraming salamat.
00:50Hi, Ivan. Good morning at magandang umaga sa ating mga kababayan.
00:53Attorney, we are on record now.
00:55Hello. Again, salamat sa pampagpa-unlock.
00:57You are here today.
00:58Kahit sinabi niyo kahapon sa press conference,
01:00nabuhon nito ako eh.
01:01You will be limiting your media engagements
01:03dahil ayaw niyong litisin ito sa media.
01:05Ikanin niyo.
01:06May mga bagay lang kayong sabi mo kailangang linawin.
01:10Unahin natin yung punto tungkol sa sinasabi ninyong misconception
01:13na hindi tugma o yung disconnect sa mga deklaradong net worth sa SAL-N
01:18at yung mga dumaang halaga sa account ni BP Sara.
01:22Pakipaliwanag, Attorney, bakit at papano ito naging misconception?
01:25Well, una-una nga po, no?
01:27Nasabi na rin ng ating vice-presidente sa kanyang naging statement
01:30na lahat naman ng kanyang ari-arian,
01:33kasama na dun, syempre,
01:35lahat ng perang dumaan sa kanya,
01:37ay idineklara niya sa kanyang SAL-N.
01:40So, siguro, we have to look at this in the context dun sa AMLC na report
01:46or presentation na nangyari.
01:48So, it's not really a misconception,
01:49but I think we have to be very cautious dun sa mga numbers na napakita.
01:55Again, katulad ang sinabi ko kahapon,
01:57hindi natin sinasabi na false or mali yung mga numbers na lumalabas.
02:03It's just a manner that it was presented.
02:05Kasi po, dito po, ang pagkakaintindi po namin sa aming pananaw,
02:08itong AMLC reports,
02:10ang nangyari dito ay aggregate, no?
02:13Ibig sabihin po nun,
02:15ina-add po lahat ng transactions.
02:17Kasi kaya nga po, ang parati nang sinasabi is transactions, eh.
02:21So, ibig sabihin po nun,
02:23ina-add po nila lahat ng transactions na naganap
02:26and in this case, in a span of, I think, around 18 or 19 years.
02:29So, lahat ng mga naging deposit mo sa banko,
02:32lahat naging withdrawals mo sa mga bank accounts mo,
02:36lahat po yan ay ina-add nila.
02:38So, because of that,
02:41syempre po, medyo hindi po accurate.
02:44Meaning, hindi mo malalaman kung magkano ba talaga
02:47yung perang nasa loob ng banko
02:49dahil ang nangyayari, ina-add lang natin yung mga transactions.
02:53So, yun lang po sinasabi natin.
02:54We have to be very cautious with how we take the numbers presented.
02:58So, you're saying yung paraan ng pagkaka-present
03:01ang naging...
03:03Doon tayo nagkakatalo yung paraan ng presentation.
03:06How would you have presented it, attorney?
03:08Ano ba yung dapat?
03:09Actually, it's not...
03:11I'm not...
03:12Kasi gusto kong klaruhin to, no?
03:13We are not saying that there was bad faith
03:16in the point of presenting.
03:17I think that is just really how AMLOC works.
03:20Kasi sabi nga, ang pinapalabas,
03:23ano ba yung mga suspicious transactions,
03:25covered transactions,
03:26yan yung umaakyat sa kanila, eh.
03:27So, transactional talaga sila.
03:29So, ang nakikita lang talaga natin
03:30are the number of transactions.
03:32So, I'm not saying that they should have presented it another way.
03:36What we're saying is just,
03:37a matter of fact,
03:38na pagdating sa AMLOC,
03:39it's just addition of all transactions.
03:41Kaya nga may inflows and outflows sila.
03:44So, there is a tendency,
03:45when we look at these numbers,
03:46na maging...
03:48Tila ba bloated siya, no?
03:49So, it doesn't really show you the actual amount
03:52that is in the bank accounts.
03:54Pero, attorney, bloat...
03:56Sige, granted, bloated ito, no?
03:58But, ang lumabas doon sa AMLOC reports,
04:014.6 billion aggregate.
04:04Sabi natin, aggregate over 18 years.
04:06But, at its highest level,
04:08ang SAL-NVP, Sara,
04:09nasa 88 million.
04:11That's right.
04:12So, even assuming na bloated ito,
04:1788 million, 4.7 billion,
04:19parang malayo.
04:21Actually,
04:22hindi ko masasabing malayo,
04:24especially if you look at the period.
04:25Kasi the period is a span of 18, 19 years.
04:28Hindi ba?
04:29So, sabihin natin,
04:30sa isang...
04:31Magpasok ka ng...
04:32Let's just make it simple.
04:34Magpasok ka ng 2,000,
04:36maglabas ka ng 1,000,
04:383,000 na kaagad yun.
04:40Di ba?
04:40Ang inflow mo doon, 2,000.
04:41Pero, actually,
04:42natitira na lang sa account mo
04:43is 1,000.
04:44So, those are the things
04:46that we're saying.
04:47I don't really want to get into the details
04:49only because, syempre,
04:50it would be unfair also
04:51for us to look at the...
04:53to say these things
04:54because it's an AMLOC report.
04:55It would be unfair for us
04:57to...
04:58Parang lalabas kasi
04:59we're accusing AMLOC
05:00of misrepresentation,
05:01which is not the case.
05:02We're just saying
05:03those are the transactions.
05:05Those are the aggregate amount
05:07of the transactions
05:08over 18 to 19 years.
05:10And it does not reflect
05:11the real balances
05:12pagdating sa account balances
05:14ng ating vice-president.
05:15So, attorney,
05:16ang next question siguro
05:18ng mga kababayan natin,
05:19ba't ang daming umiikot na pera
05:21sa account?
05:21Saan galing yung mga pera?
05:23Well, sa atin,
05:23normal naman po yan.
05:25But not in those amounts, attorney?
05:27Not in those...
05:28Well, but again,
05:29we have to put it in context.
05:30If you say not in those amounts,
05:31perhaps in a month,
05:33in a year's time,
05:34but we're talking about
05:3518 years of transactions.
05:38So, for example,
05:39kung ako ay mag-transfer ng pondo
05:41from one of my bank accounts
05:43to another bank account,
05:44it's still my money,
05:45it's still within the same...
05:47I mean, the same person.
05:48Pero ang nangyari kasi dito
05:50is parang nagkaroon ka ng transfer
05:52versus the double siya,
05:53meron kang outflow dito,
05:55meron kang inflow dito,
05:57pero yung inflow mo dito
05:58hindi nagbabago.
06:00I really wanted to simplify everything
06:02para lalong maintindihan
06:04ng ating publiko.
06:05But I guess,
06:07siguro the way to do it,
06:09to simplify it,
06:10is really just to say na
06:11these are not accurate
06:13as to magkano ba talaga
06:15yung nasa loob ng bangko
06:17because this is in a span
06:18of 18, 19 years plus.
06:21Yun nga po,
06:21talagang it's just an addition
06:23of all the transactions.
06:24So, hindi natin dinedenay,
06:25attorney,
06:26na may mga ganong dumaang
06:27mga pera
06:28ang presentation
06:30na doon tayo magkakatalo?
06:31Of course,
06:32we'll have to still verify
06:33the amounts.
06:35But ang sinasabi natin is
06:37wala kaming paratang
06:39na false yan
06:41or gawa-gawa lang
06:42yung mga numera.
06:43Hindi ganun.
06:43It's just a manner
06:44of presentation
06:45and the manner
06:46by which,
06:48by its very nature
06:49sa AMLOC,
06:50it's aggregated.
06:51In fact,
06:51if you remember, Ivan,
06:53noong 2017,
06:54meron nang lumabas
06:55na ganyang issue.
06:56It actually,
06:57it's the same issue na ito.
06:59And AMLOC itself
07:00issued an official statement
07:01at that time.
07:02At ang sabi nga
07:03ng AMLOC at that time,
07:05the figures presented
07:08do not reflect
07:09the real amounts
07:11that were actually
07:11in the bank account
07:12because they
07:13are an aggregate
07:15figure based
07:16on the number
07:17of transactions.
07:18Sinasabi nyo rin,
07:19attorney,
07:19kailangan limitahan
07:20yung discussion dito
07:21since this is
07:22an impeachment complaint.
07:23Doon lang tayo
07:24sa period covered
07:25na saklaw
07:25kung kailan
07:27impeachable officer
07:28si BP, Sara,
07:29which is 2022
07:29up to the present.
07:31Apo,
07:31actually,
07:32very clear kami dyan.
07:33In fact,
07:34if you look at it
07:35from a legalistic point,
07:36dapat nga siguro
07:37hindi na namin
07:38sinasagot ito.
07:39Kasi,
07:40very clear naman
07:41ang ating
07:42Court Suprema
07:43doon sa Duterte
07:44versus HOR,
07:45yung kakalabas lang
07:46na decision
07:46last year.
07:48Sinasabi,
07:49ano bang
07:50impeachable offense?
07:52Ang impeachable offense
07:53ay offenses
07:53committed
07:54by a public official
07:56while he or she
07:57is occupying
07:57an impeachable office.
07:59So,
07:59doon lang tayo
08:00dito sa case na ito
08:01from 2022
08:02to 2025.
08:05Pero,
08:05bakit ba kami
08:07nandito
08:08at nage-explain
08:09pa rin
08:09dahil,
08:09siyempre,
08:10lumabas
08:11yung mga
08:11ganyang bagay.
08:12We all know
08:14that this is both
08:15a political
08:16and legal
08:18proceeding.
08:19That's why,
08:20sa tingin ko,
08:21legally,
08:21talagang dito lang tayo
08:23dun sa period
08:232022
08:24to 2025.
08:25Pero,
08:26lumabas na yung mga ganito.
08:27So,
08:27we have to explain.
08:28In fact,
08:28yan yung aming
08:29objection,
08:30hindi ba?
08:30That's why,
08:32nag-file tayo
08:32ng Petition
08:33Supreme Court.
08:34That's why
08:35we were of the position
08:36that this goes beyond.
08:38And merong,
08:39kung baga,
08:39phishing expedition nga.
08:41Although,
08:41I don't really like
08:42using that word.
08:43Pero,
08:43nagamit na naman yun.
08:44Kasi,
08:45dahil,
08:46lumalampas na kasi
08:47sa impeachable offenses
08:48o definition
08:49ng impeachable offenses.
08:50Itong nangyayaring
08:52mga proceedings.
08:53Sige,
08:54attorney,
08:54dun tayo sa period
08:55na impeachable officer
08:57si VP Sarah.
08:58At ito yung mga
08:59period na
09:00hindi siya
09:01nagdeklara
09:01ng cash in bank.
09:03From 2019,
09:04although 2022 na tayo,
09:05but still covered pa rin ito.
09:06Paano ipapaliwanag
09:07ng defense?
09:08We'd like to clarify that.
09:10Kasi,
09:11again,
09:12accurate naman yung sinabi
09:13na walang line item
09:14na cash in bank.
09:15So,
09:16wala tayong sinasabi
09:17na may sinabing
09:20kasi nung malingan
09:21sa proceedings.
09:22Accurate naman.
09:23Talagang walang
09:23cash in bank.
09:24But upon consultation
09:25with our client,
09:26the Vice President,
09:28ang nangyayari kasi dun
09:29is it was lump
09:30dun sa others.
09:31Yung sasalian kasi
09:33meron yung real properties,
09:34personal properties.
09:35Pagdating sa personal properties,
09:37naka-lump na lang
09:38yung amount
09:39under the heading
09:40others.
09:41Yun yung line item.
09:42Yung line item
09:43is others
09:43at dun yung amount.
09:45And pati yung cash in bank
09:47and maybe jewelry
09:47or something
09:48was all lumped.
09:49So,
09:50we'd like to clarify
09:51na
09:55yung sinasabing
09:56hindi dineklara
09:56yung cash
09:57or sinasabing
09:58ang pagkadeklara
09:59e walang cash.
10:00Meron actually.
10:01It's just that
10:02it was lumped lang po.
10:03Why the change
10:04in the presentation?
10:05Kasi in previous years,
10:06may nakalagay na
10:07cash deposits eh.
10:08Opo.
10:08Cash in bank.
10:09Right now,
10:10I think that's something
10:11that we will have to answer
10:12in the future.
10:13But sa ngayon,
10:15yun munang
10:15mabibigay natin
10:16explanation
10:17kasi yun ang
10:18na-explain sa atin
10:18ng cliente natin.
10:19And that's something
10:19you know you can prove
10:20pagdating ng
10:21kung sakaling umabot sa trial.
10:22And as far as we know,
10:23wala namang prohibition
10:24kasi to collectively
10:26declare things.
10:27Especially personal properties
10:28of the same nature.
10:29So,
10:30sa atin,
10:31gusto lang natin
10:32pakita na
10:33walang any
10:35intent
10:35to conceal anything.
10:37Wala rin intent
10:38na hindi mag-declare
10:39ng mga bagay.
10:41In fact,
10:41the Vice President
10:42has stated
10:44in her statement
10:44na lahat ng ari-arian niya
10:46dineclare niya
10:46kahit nga yung mga
10:47in-trust
10:48na-declare niya.
10:49So,
10:50there was really
10:50no intent here
10:51to conceal
10:52anything whatsoever.
10:53And then,
10:54there's the Trillanes
10:55testimony attorney
10:55ang lumabas
10:56sa pagdinig na ito.
10:58Hindi na lang
10:59galing
10:59kay Senator Trillanes
11:01or informant niya
11:02kundi
11:03nagtugma
11:04dun sa
11:05mga numbers
11:06ng AMLOC.
11:07How do you
11:08respond to this?
11:08Actually,
11:09when the AMLOC
11:11report was being
11:12presented,
11:13mahirap kasi
11:14mag-analyze
11:14kasi understandably,
11:17transactions
11:17yung pinag-uusapan,
11:18walang accounts.
11:20So,
11:20personally ako,
11:21nung tinitingnan ko siya,
11:22I was thinking,
11:23siguro kasama dito
11:24sa account na ito
11:25yung bulk
11:25nung presentation
11:27ni former
11:28Senator Trillanes
11:29yung account.
11:30So,
11:31makikita,
11:32meron tayong
11:33magiging ekspenasyon
11:34dyan sa account na yan.
11:36Nakikita,
11:37I think,
11:38meron din yung mga
11:39nagde-deposit doon
11:40sa account na yan.
11:41To prove the existence
11:42of the account.
11:43So,
11:43the account is
11:44Rodrigo Duterte
11:46or
11:47Rodrigo Duterte
11:48and Sarah Duterte.
11:49So,
11:50that is something
11:50that we will have
11:52to tackle
11:53probably
11:54in the trial
11:55or if
11:56hindi man matuloy
11:57yung trial,
11:58that is something
11:58that we will have
11:59to really explain.
12:01Sa ngayon lang,
12:01we're not explaining
12:02dahil hindi natin alam
12:03kung tutungo to
12:04ng trial.
12:06Pero may sagot kayo,
12:07Don Attorney,
12:07what can you tell
12:07the public about this?
12:08Na parang
12:09ang sinasabi kasi
12:11na vindicate
12:12si Senator Trillanes.
12:13I guess what we can tell
12:14the public
12:15in general terms
12:16lang right now
12:17is as you can see
12:19from the denomination
12:20of the account
12:22that the Vice President
12:24had no control
12:26over that account.
12:28Di ba?
12:28And perhaps
12:30we will have to look at
12:31kung nagkaroon
12:31ever ba
12:32ng transaction
12:33ang Vice President
12:34using that account.
12:36So,
12:36yun yung mga bagay
12:37na mapag-uusapan natin
12:39as things proceed.
12:40But,
12:40again,
12:41if this does not
12:42go to trial,
12:43perhaps these things
12:44can also be
12:45explained to the public
12:46talaga.
12:47Eventually.
12:48Sami Uy,
12:49Attorney Poa,
12:50what can you tell us
12:52about the association
12:53or connection
12:54of Sami Uy
12:55to the Vice President?
12:56Alam naman natin
12:57na si Sami Uy
12:58is a friend
13:00of her father,
13:02the former President.
13:03May lumabas dun
13:04ng mga tseke.
13:06There's also
13:07an allegation
13:07that he's a drug lord
13:09which I,
13:10ano no,
13:10yesterday
13:11in the press con,
13:12I said,
13:12baka unfair
13:13na biglang
13:14itag natin yung tao.
13:15I am not his lawyer,
13:17so I cannot really
13:18speak for him.
13:19Pero,
13:20ang masasabi ko lang
13:21dun sa mga tseke,
13:22kasi pinapalabas na
13:25if you look at it,
13:26may pattern,
13:27parang same amounts,
13:28tapos
13:30certain dates,
13:31di ba?
13:32So,
13:32ang sinasabi is
13:34baka yun
13:35a form of allowance,
13:36ika nga.
13:37I think there's
13:38another explanation
13:39for that
13:40and that is something
13:41that we will also present.
13:42I'm really sorry,
13:43Ivan.
13:43I wish I could
13:44say more,
13:45to be honest.
13:46But,
13:47siyempre,
13:48bilang mga abogado,
13:50knowing that
13:50there is a possibility
13:52that this might
13:53go to trial,
13:55these are,
13:55siyempre,
13:56we want to keep
13:57some cards close
13:57to our chest muna.
13:59But,
13:59there's definitely
14:00an explanation for that
14:01and siguro,
14:02klaruhin ko lang
14:02na ang nalabas kasi
14:05is bumili
14:07ng manager's check
14:08si Mr. Sami Uy.
14:11Ang intended recipient
14:13ay si Vice President
14:16amongst others,
14:17I think.
14:18But,
14:19hindi naman
14:19ibig sabihin noon
14:21ay na-deposit
14:22yung check-in na yun
14:23sa account niya.
14:24Kung baga,
14:25hindi pa na,
14:25hindi pa conclusive,
14:26Hindi natin alam.
14:28So,
14:28yan ang mga bagay
14:29na siguro,
14:31matatalakay natin
14:32in detail
14:33in the proper form.
14:35But even assuming,
14:36hindi drug lord,
14:37mali yung info
14:38na drug lord daw
14:39si Mr. Sami Uy.
14:42Yung,
14:43why issue a check
14:45to the Vice President?
14:47Alam mo kasi,
14:48yun siguro yung tanong.
14:48So, if we get into that,
14:51then probably
14:51we'll already go
14:52into the testimony
14:53of Mr. Sami Uy,
14:55if ever.
14:55So,
14:58napakahirap,
14:58to be honest.
14:59That's why,
14:59sabi ko nga,
15:00ayoko muna
15:01sana magpa-interview
15:02because it would be
15:04difficult for the
15:05defense team
15:06to really,
15:07paano ba,
15:08to really fully
15:09explain things
15:10without exposing
15:11our defenses also.
15:13So,
15:13sa ngayon,
15:14since nandito pa tayo
15:14sa proceedings
15:15before the House,
15:16that minomonitor lang
15:19namin yan
15:20and then kung sakali man
15:22na mapunta tayo
15:23sa trial,
15:23these things
15:24we can discuss.
15:25Kung hindi man
15:26mapunta sa trial,
15:28we just want to assure
15:30yung ating mga kababayan
15:31na may mga explanation
15:33at itong mga bagay na ito
15:34and we will explain it
15:34the proper time.
15:35So, definitely no chance
15:36that the Vice President
15:37or any of his defense lawyers
15:39will appear before
15:40the Justice Committee?
15:41I think the answer there
15:42is ready with our petition
15:43kasi nag-file na tayo
15:44ng petition
15:45with the Supreme Court
15:46and I think
15:46we're all in agreement.
15:47So, sa Senado na kayo
15:48sasagot kung umabot doon?
15:50Kung umabot doon,
15:51definitely sasagot tayo doon.
15:54But at this point,
15:55meron tayong
15:56pending petition
15:56sa Supreme Court
15:57so it would be
15:58inconsistent
15:59kung tayo
16:01magpa-participate
16:02ngayon
16:03na meron tayong
16:05question
16:06sa constitutionality
16:07ng proceedings.
16:09Anyway,
16:10naubos na oras natin
16:11but I'm sure
16:12alam natin,
16:12attorney,
16:13na maraming tanong
16:14yung mga kababayan natin
16:15and
16:17mabantayan natin
16:18ang magiging sagot,
16:19magiging tugon
16:20ng Vice President.
16:21Before we close,
16:22maraming tanong.
16:23I think we just have to,
16:25ang gusto ko lang sabihin
16:26sa mga kababayan natin
16:27is we have to be cautious
16:28with the information
16:29that is
16:30being given out.
16:31Again,
16:32we're not saying
16:32they're false
16:33but the way it's presented
16:35and all those,
16:35we have to be very cautious
16:36about that
16:37and
16:37tayo naman sa defense team
16:39kung sakali man
16:41na umabot tayo sa trial,
16:42we're prepared to
16:44meron tayong sagot
16:45sa lahat ng ganitong bagay
16:46para mapakita na
16:48walang basihan
16:49yung mga binabatong
16:51paratang
16:52laban sa ating
16:52Vice President.
16:53Attorney Michael Poa,
16:54tagapagsalita ng
16:55defense team
16:57ni Vice President
16:57Sara Duterte,
16:58maraming salamat.
16:59Thank you, Ivan.
17:00Ang mga issue
17:00pinag-uusapan,
17:01lilinawin at hihimayin
17:02on record
17:03sa ulang hirin.
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