00:00Hindi kinakailangan ang personal appearance ng vice-presidente,
00:04so balit may epekto ito.
00:06Unang-una, hindi masasagot kaagad
00:10ang mga ebedensya na inihihain laban sa kanya.
00:14Pangalawa, maaaring mag-proceed ex parte ang proceeding.
00:17Legally allowed ito,
00:19but magiging itong strategically risky para sa vice-presidente.
00:30Pilipinas, gising na.
00:32Kahapon po, nagsimula ng evidentiary hearing
00:34para sa impeachment case laban kay vice-president Sara Duterte.
00:37Pero ang vice at kanyang kampo hindi dumalo
00:40dahil wala daw jurisdiction ang kamera.
00:42Ano kaya masasabi ng ating mga kapuso sa usaping ito?
00:46Parang wala siya nagagawa bilang vice-president.
00:49Yung mga problema na yan,
00:50pwede man siguro ipagpaliban muna
00:52at huwag muna yung mga politika.
00:55Parang nahihiya siguro
00:57para hindi siya ma-interview.
01:01Siya lang nakakaalam niyan
01:02kung ano yung mga niya
01:05rasong kumakit, hindi siya umatend.
01:08Waka lang po kung hindi umatend po si Sara Duterte
01:11kasi meron po siya lawyer.
01:15Ang hearing sa mga impeachment
01:17o sa impeachment complaint ng vice,
01:18pag-uusapan, lilinawin at hihimayin natin.
01:21On record.
01:23Sa unang hearing.
01:25At kayong umaga, mga kasama po natin,
01:27Attorney Alder de Lloro ng UP
01:29and si PAG.
01:30Attorney, welcome back.
01:31Good morning.
01:32Good morning, Iban at mga kapuso.
01:34Attorney, we are on record now.
01:36Nagsimula na nga po kahapon
01:38ang hearing proper sa impeachment case
01:39against BP Sara Duterte.
01:41Your assessment at ano ba ang mga highlights,
01:44if I may,
01:45dito sa nangyaring hearing kahapon?
01:47Mahalaga kasi nagsimula na yung fact-finding phase
01:50ng House of Representatives
01:52at ang mga nangyari dito
01:54ay naglatag ng ground rules,
01:56issuance of subpinas,
01:58at nagkaroon na rin mga initial testimonies.
02:00Ito ay nangangahulugan na seryoso ang committee
02:04sa pagbuo ng evidentiary records nila
02:07na magiging basihan sa kanilang rekomendasyon
02:10dito sa impeachment na ito.
02:12Attorney, hindi dumalo si VP Sara
02:15and not one of her 16 lawyers.
02:17Ayon sa kanya,
02:18ginagamit daw kasi yung pagdinig
02:20para makapagsagawa na naman
02:21daw ang House of Representatives
02:24ng ikatlong fishing expedition laban sa kanya.
02:28What do you say to this assertion
02:30na ito'y fishing expedition?
02:32Well, under our constitutional law,
02:34ang fishing expedition ay ginagamit
02:37para sabihin na ang isang inquiry
02:39ay walang basihan.
02:40Pero dapat natin balikan
02:42na ang proseso na ito
02:44ay isang constitutional mandate
02:46at ang ginagawa ng House Committee on Justice
02:49ay pag-verifika
02:51para tingnan kung meron nga bang
02:53probable cause dito.
02:54Ang sinasabi ni Congresswoman Luistro,
02:58hindi naman namin itong kinugusto.
03:00This is a constitutional mandate to us
03:03as the House Justice Committee
03:04na dinggi nito.
03:06Would she be correct in saying that?
03:08Precisely, Ivan,
03:09because later on,
03:11kailangan magkaroon ng rekomendasyon
03:13na isusumiti sa plenario
03:15at magdidesisyon.
03:17Dahil kapag walang nakitang probable cause
03:20ang Committee on Justice,
03:21dito magtatapos ang impeachment investigation.
03:24Alright.
03:24Sa kanyang statement naman,
03:25sinabi rin ni VP Sara,
03:27malinaw daw na wala namang rule
03:29that require respondents
03:31sa impeachment complaints
03:32sa mga pagdinigdang Committee on Justice.
03:34Is the VP correct in saying this?
03:36Tama,
03:37hindi kinakailangan
03:38ang personal appearance
03:40ng Vice Presidente.
03:41Subalit,
03:42may epekto ito.
03:43Unang-una,
03:44hindi masasagot kaagad
03:47ang mga ebedensya
03:48na inihahin
03:50laban sa kanya.
03:51Pangalawa,
03:51maaaring mag-proceed ex-parte
03:53ang proceeding.
03:54Legally allowed ito.
03:56But,
03:57magiging itong strategically risky
03:59para sa Vice Presidente.
04:00Parang sa ano ho eh,
04:01sa konting nalalaman ko
04:02sa batas.
04:04Yan ba sa preliminary investigation,
04:06hindi ba?
04:06Pag hindi nagsumiti ng counter,
04:08ng sagot
04:09ang isang akusado,
04:11mare-resolve yung complaint
04:13based only
04:13on the accuser.
04:17Kung baga,
04:17hindi niya mapagtatanggol
04:19yung sarili niya.
04:20Tama, Ivan,
04:21kasi ito ay nagiging
04:22tantamount to a waiver.
04:24Yung ex-parte proceedings
04:25sa madaling salita
04:26ay magtutuloy ang proseso
04:29sa kabila ng
04:31hindi pagdalo
04:32ng isang partido.
04:34Ipinaliwanag din
04:35ni House Committee
04:36o Justice Committee Chair
04:38Jeremy Luis Ro
04:39na ang paggamit niya
04:40ng term na
04:41mini-trial
04:42ay para daw
04:43madistinguish lang
04:44yung House proceedings
04:45from the actual trial
04:46na posibleng mangyari
04:47sa Senado.
04:48Para sa mga nalilito,
04:50attorney,
04:50ano ba talaga
04:51ang role
04:51ng House Justice Committee
04:53and why is it important?
04:54Ang role
04:56o ang papel
04:57ng Committee on Justice
04:58again is to
04:59check whether
05:00there is probable cause.
05:02So,
05:03ito ay accusatory function.
05:06Kinakailangan niyang tingnan
05:07ito bang
05:08verified complaint
05:09na ito
05:09ay may basehan
05:11para sabihin natin
05:12may probable cause.
05:15kailangan
05:16magbigay siya
05:16ng rekomendasyon
05:17and this is
05:18a constitutional mandate
05:19but again,
05:20the decision
05:21is based on
05:22the one-third
05:22members
05:23of the House
05:24of Representatives.
05:26Sa sulat kasi
05:27pinadala ng mga
05:28abogado
05:28ni VP Sara,
05:29sinasabi nila
05:30yung House
05:31proceedings
05:31daw na ito
05:32ay unconstitutional
05:34with the argument
05:35that yun nga
05:36it is tantamang
05:37to an actual trial.
05:39Anong masasabi niyo
05:40sa pahayag na ito?
05:41May punto ba
05:42itong depensa?
05:43Ang pahayag
05:44ng mga abogado
05:45ni Vice Presidente
05:47Sara Duterte
05:47ay nakabatay
05:49sa isang mahalagang
05:50prinsipyo
05:51na ang pag-usig
05:52ay nasa Senado lamang.
05:54The power to try
05:55is within the Senate.
05:57Pero kailangan natin
05:58tingnan
05:58again,
06:00balikan
06:00na ang Committee on Justice
06:02ay meron din
06:02yung constitutional mandate
06:04at tingnan
06:05kung may probable cause.
06:06So magkaiba siya,
06:08ito ay isang hearing
06:09at pagdinig
06:10para tingnan
06:11kung may probable cause,
06:12hindi ito
06:13paghuhusga,
06:14hindi ito
06:15paglilitis,
06:16pero ito ay
06:16kanilang mandato.
06:17At gusto na parang
06:19gusto na nila
06:20maging consistent,
06:21parang hindi talaga
06:22nila kinikilala
06:23itong
06:24prosesong ito
06:25na nangyayari
06:25sa House Justice Committee.
06:27Dahil
06:27from the start
06:28sinasabi nila,
06:29walang basihan eh.
06:30Wala nga kami
06:31sasagutin eh.
06:32Ad kau te alam.
06:32Hindi ba,
06:33Attorney?
06:34Klarado sa ating
06:35Constitution
06:36na may mandato
06:38ang Committee on Justice.
06:40Kinakailangan natin
06:41ipaliwanag sa publiko
06:42that it is clear
06:43and mandated
06:44yan ng Constitution.
06:46Kaya,
06:46ang hindi pagdalo
06:48ng Vice Presidente
06:50ay of course,
06:51karapatan nila yan
06:52as a matter of strategy.
06:54Pero,
06:55hindi natin pwedeng sabihin
06:56na walang mandato
06:57ang Committee on Justice
06:58dahil nakasaad yan
07:00sa ating Constitution.
07:01Sa hearing attorney,
07:02ilan sa mga naging mosyon
07:03ay yung ipag-utos
07:04sa ang pagsumpina
07:05sa ilang personalities
07:06para magbigay ng testimony
07:08sa Committee.
07:09Isa na rito si Ramil Madriaga,
07:11yung former aide
07:12of a VP
07:13o nagpakilalang former aide
07:15na nag-claim na
07:16nag-deliver daw siya
07:17ng cash
07:17sa iba't ibang mga
07:19individual.
07:20Would you say
07:21na itong testimony
07:23ni Madriaga
07:23is the smoking gun
07:24of the prosecution?
07:26Mahalaga kasi
07:27ang first-hand account
07:28na magpapatunay
07:30ng mga pangyayari
07:31pero hindi sapat
07:33ang isang testimony
07:34ng isang testigo
07:35kung malang
07:36corroborative
07:37at testimonial evidence
07:38mga dokumento
07:39magpapatunay.
07:40So, ang batayan
07:41kung matibay ba
07:43ang testimony
07:44ni Madriaga
07:46would be
07:47kung consistent
07:48at masusuportahan ito
07:49ng mga ibang emidensya.
07:51Marami rin documents
07:52sa pinasumpin na attorney
07:53tulad ng SAL-EN
07:55ni VP Sara
07:56mga dokumento
07:57related to
07:58the confidential
07:58and intelligence funds
08:00of the OVP
08:01and DepEd
08:02nung kanyang termino.
08:04Tax and business records
08:06na VP Sara
08:06at kanyang asawa.
08:07Gano'n ba kahalaga
08:09na mabuksan itong
08:10mga dokumento nito?
08:11Mahalaga ang mga dokumento
08:13kasi ito
08:14ang nagsisilbing
08:14verifiable
08:15and objective trail
08:17ng mga aligasyon
08:20at akosasyon
08:21laban sa isang respondent.
08:23The best evidence
08:24is the document
08:26ika nga
08:26sabi nila.
08:27Kasi hindi ito
08:28opinion.
08:29Ito ay isang
08:30factual
08:30na mga dokumento
08:32na nakita natin.
08:33So, napakahalaga
08:34ng mga dokumentong ito
08:35kasi ito
08:36ang magpapatunay
08:37ng mga aligasyon
08:39na nakahain
08:40sa impeachment complaints.
08:42Attorney, may punto rin
08:43pinalutang kahapon
08:44na in her capacity
08:46as Dep and Secretary
08:48hindi daw impeachable officer
08:50si VP Sara.
08:51What do you say to that?
08:52What's your take on that?
08:53Sa akin,
08:54hindi mo maihihiwalay
08:55ang personalidad
08:56ng vice-presidente
08:58dahil nga
08:59sa konstitusyon
09:00ang vice-presidente
09:01ay maaaring
09:03impeachable official siya
09:04impeachable official siya
09:06at also
09:07the vice-president
09:08can be a member
09:09of the cabinet.
09:10So, ito ay isang
09:11functions
09:12ng isang vice-presidente
09:13at nakalaan din yan
09:14sa konstitusyon.
09:16Based on what you saw
09:17yesterday, attorney,
09:18what are the chances
09:18na abot sa trial
09:19sa Senado
09:20itong prosesong ito?
09:23I think
09:24gusto ko na lamang
09:25na ipaliwanag
09:26na ang rekomendasyon
09:28ng Committee on Justice
09:29will determine
09:30kung ito ay
09:32irerekomenda
09:33sa one-third
09:34sa plenario
09:35sa membro
09:36ng mga
09:37House of Representatives
09:38at kung magkakaroon
09:40ng one-third
09:41the vote,
09:42doon lamang
09:42natin makikita
09:43na maaaring
09:44ipasa sa Senado
09:45at ang Senado
09:46ang maglilitis
09:47at maghuhusga
09:48ng impeachment.
09:50Attorney,
09:50ito na lang,
09:51nakita mo siguro
09:51yung mga kapuso
09:52natin kanina,
09:53ini-interview natin,
09:54what do you think
09:54about this whole process?
09:57May isang nagsabi
09:58and she's not alone
10:00in this sentiment,
10:01may krisis na nga tayo,
10:02bakit inaatupang nyo pa rin
10:03yung impeachment na yan,
10:04politika lang yan,
10:05pwede bang ipagpaliban
10:06daw muna
10:07yung politika
10:08quote-unquote
10:09at focus muna tayo
10:11sa krisis.
10:11What do you say to this?
10:13Evan,
10:13sa perspektibo
10:14ng public administration,
10:16ang governance
10:17at ang accountability
10:19ay hindi kailangang
10:21piliin.
10:22Sa isang maayos na sistema
10:25ng lipunan,
10:26ang accountability mechanism,
10:29lalo na kung nakapaloob
10:30ito sa konstitusyon,
10:32ay hindi optional.
10:33Ito ay isang mandato,
10:35pero naiintindihan natin
10:36ang sentimento
10:37ng mga kapabayan natin.
10:39Kung kaya,
10:40sa kabila ng accountability
10:41measures,
10:43ay dapat patuloy pa rin
10:44yung governance aspect,
10:47yung pagbigay ng mga servisyo
10:48ng gobyerno
10:49para sa mga tao.
10:50Alright.
10:52Mga kapuso,
10:53nakasama po natin ngayon
10:54Atty. Alder De Lloro
10:55ng UP and SIPA.
10:57Ang mga issue
10:58yung pinag-uusapan,
11:00lilinawin at hihimayin natin yan
11:01on record
11:02sa unang hirit.
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