00:00So you are, you sent yourself, you sent us a spicy meatball yesterday.
00:06We got Daryl coming up at 822, so I might ask him this question.
00:09You go right on ahead, John boy.
00:10You tell us what you got on your mind, brother.
00:13Yeah, I think Shador has to start this year or he's not going to get the chance.
00:17Not get the chance this year, not get the chance ever?
00:20Kind of ever, really.
00:21So is his NFL career done after this year if he doesn't get a chance to start with us?
00:25No, but I don't think that he's going to ever get the chance to be the guy anywhere else.
00:29Because if Deshaun starts week one and doesn't play well and then you're going to throw Shador in there,
00:34you're still going to be a bad team.
00:35You're still going to be a bad team where you're going to pick high in the first round
00:39and they're going to pick a quarterback next year.
00:41Unless Shador or Deshaun lead them to a miraculous 12-win season,
00:46I would be surprised that the Browns did not pick a quarterback this in 2027.
00:51And what are you going to do, not play your first-round pick?
00:54Do you agree with him?
00:56Because I don't agree with him, but I'll tell you why here in a second.
00:58You know, obviously, we're painting a broad brush and you've got to see how it looks.
01:02John's got the brushes out.
01:04He showed some promise last year, but also reinforced a lot of what the people that were anti-Shador
01:10thought of him when it came to the cataclysmic mistakes and the running himself into pressure.
01:15All those things that kept coming up.
01:16So, the thing that I keep coming back to is if he fails this year and, you know, how many
01:26games is he going to be given?
01:27Like, let's say he starts the beginning of the year.
01:28Let's say he starts week one.
01:29Okay.
01:30If they go one and five, for instance, and he just does not show like he's making progress, he'll get
01:38benched because that's what happens.
01:40Even first-round picks have gotten benched.
01:43Like, that's what happens.
01:44He'll get benched.
01:45Maybe he needs to just take a step back, look at everything, and maybe the development isn't where everybody was
01:50hoping.
01:50New coach, new playbook.
01:52A lot of that stuff is tough.
01:56So, who else would, because the Browns would effectively be done with him because they'd be drafting a guy number
02:01one.
02:03Part of it is Shador's fan base is such that I do think in that, I don't think the fan
02:07base has been a distraction yet.
02:10I do think in that case it would be a distraction.
02:12Wait, you don't think they've been a distraction at all for the franchise?
02:15Yeah, for the franchise.
02:17I don't, but there are writers who, I mean, Jason's been on with us.
02:21Jason disagrees.
02:22Well, they obviously had horrific things to say about the intentions of the ex-head coach, but that coach is
02:28gone.
02:29So, you know, all the names that they called Kevin.
02:31Well, this is the entire point.
02:32Actually, you didn't disagree.
02:33I got killed on the internet for it.
02:34Well, I got killed on the phones for it because I said, you could not like Kevin, and Kevin can
02:40be an uninspiring guy,
02:43but if Kevin were still here, Shador's starting, there's no question about it.
02:46But because you have a new head coach, because of his age, you don't have any time to waste.
02:50So, you've got to make the best decision for the football team.
02:53However, I would be saying that if Shador does not start the season, then I'm thinking that Shador was absolutely
02:59a mess within the offense and absolutely a mess within the playbook.
03:02So, I would start him.
03:04Okay?
03:04For all the reasons that you guys just laid out.
03:06Yeah, if he picks up the playbook and you just see enough where it's even close to the shot, you'd
03:11start him.
03:11The reason I think John's wrong, though, I think once you get past, like, say it doesn't go well for
03:16Shador, say Deshaun Watson starts the season, and we don't see Shador ever again.
03:22I don't, I think John's wrong because he would be released, Shador would be released, and then I think that
03:29a lot of us would just look at the common sense of this and go, how does he pick it
03:31up with somebody else?
03:33Why would he be released?
03:34Why would he, what's the point?
03:35Well, because you're going to have another quarterback next year.
03:37Deshaun's gone, Deshaun's not coming back next year unless anything's crazy.
03:40Yeah, he'd be gone.
03:40And then Shador would be your quarterback until you draft another guy.
03:44He's a fifth-round guy.
03:45Do you think that he's a, do you think that he's a capable backup for everybody, that he could come
03:49in and spot duty, or would you rather go with a veteran if you were going to go with a
03:52first-round pick?
03:52If you're going to cut a quarterback, you should cut Dylan Gabriel.
03:55Dylan Gabriel's not part of the conversation, John.
03:56I'm sorry.
03:57I didn't consider him.
03:58I kind of assumed he would already have been dealt or whatever.
04:02Whoopsie-daisies.
04:02Yeah.
04:03Okay.
04:04I didn't put Dylan Gabriel in the conversation.
04:06That's how far behind he is in my mind.
04:08If you were moving on to next year, you're going on a different direction, and then I think that Shador
04:14Sanders, in your scenario, will be cut.
04:17I don't think that it's over for him in terms of a player or a starter because how many quarterbacks
04:23started last year?
04:2464?
04:2564.
04:26The year before was 67, right?
04:27There you go right there.
04:28If he has any arm talent, which he does, if this year has been beneficial to him, like, if he
04:34doesn't start, he still needs to pour himself and put his best foot forward.
04:38I'm not saying he's never going to start a game again.
04:40That's exactly what this whole premise of this argument was.
04:42Yes, it was.
04:43That's not what I said.
04:44Was it not the argument?
04:45I never said he was never going to start a game again.
04:47I said he would never have the chance to be the guy somewhere else.
04:50Okay.
04:50That's very different.
04:51Wait a minute.
04:52That is a very different thing.
04:53When you're a starter, you always have a chance to be the guy.
04:57Yes, you do.
04:58Yes, you do.
04:59No.
05:00You think Jake Browning had a chance to be the guy over the Bengals?
05:02Maybe not for that team, but you always have a chance to be the guy.
05:06How can you say that when guys like Jimmy Garoppolo exist?
05:12Guys like Frank Reich exist.
05:13What about Gardner Minshew?
05:14Scott Mitchell existed.
05:16Gardner Minshew existed.
05:18They're not your long-term answer.
05:19Jimmy Garoppolo didn't get a big contract?
05:22Jimmy Garoppolo got a long-term answer.
05:22Wait a minute.
05:23Jimmy Garoppolo didn't get a big contract?
05:24He had a long-term contract for five games.
05:25Who's the quarterback right now for the San Francisco 49ers?
05:28And where was he taken?
05:29He didn't get a big contract?
05:31Anytime you start a game, you have a chance to be the guy.
05:33Maybe not with your team, but you have a chance to be the guy somewhere else.
05:36I'm sorry.
05:37Who did Jalen Hurts take over for?
05:38You're an Eagles fan.
05:40This is the silliest argument you've made so far.
05:42I don't think you can't be the guy.
05:43What do you mean they don't have a chance to be the guy?
05:44If Shador goes somewhere else, they're not going to look at him as the way they would
05:48for their 2027 first-round pick.
05:51Of course they're not.
05:51But you're not understanding it.
05:53Wherever he goes, say he ends up being a player for the Giants.
05:57Say John Harbaugh really liked him, and he goes, I'm going to bring him in.
05:59He's going to be a backup.
06:00And then Jackson Dart goes down, God forbid, and then Shador ends up playing.
06:05Shador ends up playing really well.
06:06Shador plays really well for the rest of the season, and they're going to go,
06:09yeah, but we've invested in Jackson Dart.
06:11Jackson Dart's our guy.
06:12And they end up trading Shador for a second-round pick to who the hell knows.
06:16Let's go Tennessee.
06:16Maybe Cam Ward doesn't work out.
06:18Cam Ward ends up not working out, and Shador can be the guy somewhere else.
06:22Anytime you start, a quarterback has to go into that because it's possible,
06:26because we just gave you all the examples, that you can be the guy.
06:29Maybe not for the team that you're on, but somewhere, yes.
06:32Of course.
06:33I just don't think people are going to take that seriously.
06:35If you're bringing in Shador, if you're an outside team.
06:38You can't afford to not take anything seriously.
06:40Well, the only thing I wonder, if everybody's right, if everybody on our YouTube is right,
06:45and said that it's a lot of stuff about our wives, if everybody was accurate,
06:51and there was some giant conspiracy afoot, has the conspiracy changed?
06:58If you believe in that thing, has it changed?
07:01Like, if the whole league was out on Shador Sanders at that point,
07:05and then he struggled here?
07:07No, because I think he's actually shown something on the field,
07:09and maybe, you know, the couple of beat writers that we have on,
07:13I'm not going to name names, but the couple of beat writers that we've had on in the past
07:16would disagree with me.
07:18I think that he's shown that, yeah, if you were able to come in where you were thrown to trash
07:22cans before,
07:22and you were able to conduct yourself in some way as a starting quarterback
07:27in the second half of the season, I would say that, yeah,
07:30we've given a lot of chances to a lot of different brands of garbage out there.
07:34Why wouldn't we give another chance if I was another team to a guy like Shador Sanders?
07:37You've proven you have some sort of a live arm.
07:39You've proven that you're able to conduct some sort of an offense.
07:41Yeah, why wouldn't I be willing to kick the tires on you?
07:44Especially if I was one of the better franchises in the NFL.
07:47Say that he were to get cut after this year.
07:50What's stopping the Rams from giving him a chance?
07:52What's stopping the Seattle Seahawks from giving him a chance to be a backup?
07:55I'm approaching this just from Devil's Advocate side of things about the conspiracy holders.
08:01Again, if there was this deep-rooted 32 team, even though we drafted them,
08:0732 teams that all shared in this thought,
08:11then have they changed their minds on the stuff?
08:14They always knew he had talent.
08:17You said he has a live arm.
08:18They knew that.
08:19We all talked about him as a first-round pick.
08:21But I go right back to the answer I gave.
08:23That hasn't changed anything, has it?
08:24I go right back to the answer I gave, and I don't mean to cut everybody off,
08:26but we've got to get to Darrell at 822.
08:28I go right back to the answer I gave.
08:29It would take a franchise that's secure.
08:32Yes, okay, for sure.
08:33Because he does have a following.
08:35It is a bit Tim Tebow-esque in certain aspects there.
08:39You'd have to be very secure in who you have.
08:41Like Sean McVay, I think, could easily take him on,
08:43and I think that everybody would be fine.
08:45And it might be a much better situation for Shador after this coming season.
08:48Listen, Seattle would be in that situation.
08:50A couple of other teams might be a good place for him to go
08:54and to grow and to possibly be that guy.
08:57Okay?
08:57That's the way I see that.
08:59Like, I don't think it's now or never for Shador Sanders,
09:02either as a guy or as a quarterback in the NFL.
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