Una vicenda sconvolgente, che ha avuto come scenario un magico, antico angolo di Umbria, e che ha segnato l'opinione pubblica con memoria indelebile, anche perché tenera, struggente vittima è una bimba di soli due anni e mezzo. Si chiama Maria Geusa, la piccina; a ucciderla con violenza bestiale, è Giorgio Giorni, un imprenditore di 32 anni, con il quale la mamma della piccola, Tiziana Deserto, sognava di ricostruirsi un futuro. Franca Leosini parla con Tiziana Deserto in una drammatica, esclusiva intervista. Condannata con la terribile accusa di consegnare - per legarlo a sé - la sua piccola a Giorgio Giorni, pur consapevole degli abusi ai quali l'uomo l'avrebbe sottoposta, la Deserto piange disperata il suo dolore e la sua innocenza.
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00:00:27Music
00:00:52On April 5, 2004, Italy received the shocked confirmation that ogres still exist.
00:01:05They are child predators and often hide behind disguises.
00:01:13They are kind, often pleasant-looking. They are generous, reassuring, and beastly.
00:01:21Music
00:01:23This is the identikit of the ferocious perpetrator of an atrocious event that has marked consciences with an indelible memory.
00:01:32Music
00:01:35His name is Giorgio Giorni, this protagonist of violence and horror.
00:01:42Maria Geusa, who is only two and a half years old, is the name of the little, tender victim of his bestial violence.
00:01:50Giorgio Giorni, 32, is originally from Sansepolcro, where he lives and works.
00:01:56With her parents Massimo Geusa and Tiziana Deserto, little Maria also lives in that magical, ancient corner of Umbria.
00:02:09Music
00:02:11Originally from Latiano di Puglia, the young couple with little Maria moved to Umbria in 2003 to
00:02:17find more favorable job opportunities.
00:02:20But above all, to mend, under a new sky, the edges of their relationship, torn apart by the worries of the attractive Tiziana.
00:02:32Honest, reliable, hardworking, the person who gives Massimo Geusa a job is Giorgio Giorni, a well-known and respected person in the area,
00:02:40owner of a renovation and flooring company in Sansepolcro.
00:02:46From work to friendship, the step is short.
00:02:50Giorgio Giorni frequents the Geusa house with increasing assiduity and showers the little family with precious, surprising attentions.
00:03:00With an alarming vocation for comics, Tiziana's imagination flies high, as she falls in love with the wealthy entrepreneur and caresses the
00:03:08I dream of starting a new life with him, one finally filled with comfort and well-being.
00:03:17It is around 1pm on 5 April 2004, when in the emergency room of Città di Castello, Giorgio Giorni falls on the
00:03:25stretcher, like a broken doll, the lifeless body of little Maria Geusa.
00:03:31She hurt herself in a fall, the man explains to the doctors with supreme indifference.
00:03:38She died from atrocious sexual violence, doctors certified, with an immediate shocking diagnosis.
00:03:55Giorgio Giorni, an ogre and infamous child predator, was arrested and sentenced to life in prison.
00:04:07But it is on Tiziana Deserto, on the mother of little Maria, that the investigators and then judges mature the most atrocious
00:04:14of beliefs.
00:04:15To bind the entrepreneur to her, Deserto is said to have handed over her little Maria to him on several occasions, in full
00:04:22awareness of the abuse and violence to which the man had subjected her.
00:04:29At the end of a dramatic trial, Tiziana Deserto, who has always desperately cried out her innocence,
00:04:35On June 10, 2010, she was sentenced by the Assize Court of Perugia to 16 years for anomalous complicity in
00:04:42homocide,
00:04:43sentence later confirmed on appeal.
00:05:05Mrs Deserto, you were sentenced to 15 years of imprisonment in two levels of judgment on charges of
00:05:12anomalous competition
00:05:14in the murder of her daughter, little Maria Geusa, only two and a half years old.
00:05:18But with the monstrous aggravating circumstance of having handed her little girl over to the executioner,
00:05:25knowing that he would rape her, as a mother I tell you, Mrs. Deserto and I apologize immediately,
00:05:33that if it is true, as for the judges the accusation that has been brought against her is true,
00:05:38she deserved not 15 years, but life imprisonment.
00:05:44With similar accusations, yes, because being also the mother of Maria Geusa, she would have deserved life imprisonment rather than 15 years.
00:05:57For me it is a sentence, I would dare say, miserable.
00:06:06However, Mrs. Tiziana, in this painful, frightening story, many, many unanswered questions still remain.
00:06:14I would like to talk to you about it in an attempt to clarify things and get some answers to these questions.
00:06:20Mrs. Deserto, let's talk about you first, starting with your origins.
00:06:25She's a woman from Puglia, right?
00:06:26Yes, I'm from the South, I come from Puglia, Latiano, in the province of Brindisi.
00:06:33His parents, his dad has always worked in a construction company, right?
00:06:38His mother too.
00:06:39Well yes.
00:06:40We mean, well, there wasn't a passionate feeling with the studio, right?
00:06:44Are you saying she was a bit of a sucker for school? Let's face it.
00:06:48Well, let's face it, okay?
00:06:49But do you have a calling for associations of a Catholic nature as well?
00:06:54I was part of Communion and Liberation for three and a half years, I don't remember exactly, four years I think.
00:07:04I attended three meetings in Rimini.
00:07:07In short, he was an active presence.
00:07:09Yes, yes.
00:07:09And I think I can say with certainty that it is precisely in this circuit of faith that she meets Massimo,
00:07:17Massimo Geusa, a man who would later become her husband.
00:07:21He was part of the renewal of the spirit, I think.
00:07:23Anyway, Massimo is such a very calm, quiet, quiet guy.
00:07:30And what did she like about this boy who is quite distant from her in temperament?
00:07:36I liked about him that we had the same interests.
00:07:43I was interested in starting a family, a family with everyone's sound moral principles.
00:07:53Yes, but she likes this boy, beyond sound principles, you know, the interest in starting a family.
00:07:59She likes him, she falls in love with this boy.
00:08:01Yes, yes.
00:08:01In short, yours is a love match.
00:08:02Yes.
00:08:03It's the flash wedding.
00:08:04Well, in the series, he who doesn't work doesn't make love, in short, and he doesn't even get married.
00:08:09What job did Massimo do?
00:08:12Massimo was, he was a worker in a construction company, he did.
00:08:20And did she work too?
00:08:21Yes, I worked too.
00:08:24There was a domestic worker in two families.
00:08:29They divided me in the morning between these two houses.
00:08:33You want to start a family, as she says, to start a family, but here, in this project
00:08:40of the family, in short, this cradle, in short, remains empty for three years.
00:08:46In short, here it is, a stork that takes three years to land in the Geusa nest.
00:08:51It takes him three years.
00:08:53But then when she lands she's a beautiful little girl.
00:08:55It's a joy.
00:08:56And she's a wonderful little girl, after all, her name is...
00:09:00Mary Geusa.
00:09:00Mary Geusa.
00:09:12So, the first few years are good, right?
00:09:16Yes, the first few years are fine.
00:09:20We were living in a rented house and Massimo and I got along very well.
00:09:25Then the relationship begins to creak.
00:09:28What's wrong between her and Massimo?
00:09:31Because I saw that Massimo, I mean, was the classic, I mean, husband who when he came home,
00:09:41I understood, he was tired from his work, that is, he took a shower, he sat on the sofa,
00:09:50there was no longer any interest in going out, in taking me out, in organizing some weekends away.
00:09:58So, in short, she's jeopardizing the glass marriage just because he doesn't take her out for a walk?
00:10:03Yes.
00:10:04Well, you know, a little bit, he passes it to me, a little bit, you know.
00:10:08It's not that there was also the fact that maybe she was a little disappointed on a practical level, you know,
00:10:13that perhaps Massimo had created expectations for her of a life of greater well-being and this was not being realised?
00:10:20And this too.
00:10:21And it is precisely at this stage, as it turns out, that she, in order to somehow fill the gaps in this
00:10:30dissatisfied,
00:10:31she's starting to act a little crazy.
00:10:33Here, we want to say what, what did she, what did she invent in that period?
00:10:38Nothing, I was listening to a program on the radio, I heard it and I started communicating with other people from different countries.
00:10:53Practically, let's say, betraying the most basic elements of privacy, from name, surname, address, telephone number,
00:11:02This way, it makes it possible for many to trace it.
00:11:07Did she receive phone calls, requests to contact her, to meet her?
00:11:14Yes, but I have never met these people.
00:11:19I only met one person who worked as a sales representative in the food sector,
00:11:27but I saw it a couple of times.
00:11:31I saw him, I must say, was he going to get a coffee at the bar?
00:11:34Yes, we met to get to know each other, yes, yes, to have a coffee at the bar, that's it.
00:11:41Anyway, precisely, beyond the radio, as he told her, well, she too, it seems, is starting to have...
00:11:47a lively telephone activity too,
00:11:50let's say, both via SMS and via cell phone, like that.
00:11:54What did she say to these people she didn't know, in short?
00:11:58Well, it told a little about the life that wasn't mine.
00:12:02Was he telling lies?
00:12:03Yes.
00:12:04And what was he talking about?
00:12:06Like I was the granddaughter, that is the daughter of a rich businessman, that I had cars, I had houses,
00:12:17that is, I was a fairly rich and wealthy person.
00:12:21But why is this?
00:12:22But why? Because, as I said before, the life I was leading was too small for me, these were my
00:12:31expectations and this was also my dream.
00:12:34My dream and so, but anyway, anyway, this activity is starting to get a little bit so frenetic and she's
00:12:41at a certain point it establishes a slightly more intense relationship, let's say,
00:12:45with a young Genoese man.
00:12:48Yes.
00:12:49And do we want to talk about it?
00:12:51First of all, how do you come into contact with this young man?
00:12:54It was basically one afternoon and I get a text message on my cell phone, it's strange, and I send him the message, but who
00:13:04six?
00:13:05And he answers me, sorry but I made a mistake, but let me introduce myself, I'm a person from Genoa and he told me
00:13:15well, no,
00:13:16that he is a person who wasn't, who was a policeman, he also makes up lies, yes, he was a policeman
00:13:24who lived a fairly comfortable life.
00:13:30Do you understand that what he was telling was bullshit or not?
00:13:34I mean, I understood it and I didn't want to understand it.
00:13:37In short, however, a game that then has, I won't say a conclusion, but in any case has a landing at a certain point,
00:13:48Here you are,
00:13:49where does this landing take place?
00:13:52And he comes to Puglia, right?
00:13:53Yes, yes, he meets me in Puglia.
00:13:56Are you coming just to meet her?
00:13:57No, because I had argued, that is, with my husband, because he had discovered this story, that is, he said,
00:14:10I'm coming down to Puglia so I can pick you up, he wanted to take me away.
00:14:16Basically, this Duenovese, let's call him that, well, here he is, he comes to Puglia and you meet him at the station.
00:14:23Yes, at the station, yes.
00:14:24The point is this, you meet at the station, but the station drops her husband.
00:14:30Yes.
00:14:30Who, in short, had, kept everything under control and the station falls, here.
00:14:38So much so that it's a scene, let's say, let's say it's an almost, well, comedic conclusion, a comedy, in short.
00:14:46So much so that they become, that is, even they don't know each other, they become friends too.
00:14:52Here, I've come to pick up your wife, nice to meet you.
00:14:56I mean, listen, Mrs. Tiziana, what kind of spirit did your husband have when he came to the station, anyway?
00:15:05With the spirit of a great lord.
00:15:07I had to work that day, but I couldn't work and I didn't want to show up in Brindisi.
00:15:13I didn't want to show that I was so curious, I wanted to trust my wife again and say go, no
00:15:19I don't want to check on you, go on, I want to see what to do.
00:15:22But in the end I couldn't take it anymore.
00:15:24I spoke to my wife, I called her, she said what are you doing, where are you.
00:15:29I took the train and left immediately, just like that, surprisingly, without saying that I was coming.
00:15:33When I went there, they were just talking, like that, near a bar, calmly, waiting for about ten minutes, not even,
00:15:43to see what they were doing, if by chance.
00:15:46Did she observe them from afar?
00:15:47Yes, from afar.
00:15:48And there, let's say, this kind of friendship was born.
00:15:53The husband came, what happened?
00:15:56Nothing, we came to talk, calmly, but in the end we resolved everything, I took it and around midday he left at once
00:16:05of Genoa.
00:16:06Furthermore, Mr. Geusa wanted to reimburse me for the ticket, I told him, no, I would pay for it, I had it.
00:16:12I already did it anyway, don't worry, I understood the situation, I'll come back anyway.
00:16:16Thank you sir, a great man, truly a great person, because even on that occasion, you pass it to me if you
00:16:24I say she acted completely reckless, because she practically went away with this Genoese?
00:16:34Maybe I would have gone away for a few days, but then I would have come back.
00:16:39Excuse me, sir, but leaving your husband and children is, after all, a difficult decision. When I allow myself to tell you that
00:16:46she's a crazy girl, a complete fool, in short, that is, she was ready to leave her husband and children, she went to the station to
00:16:53meet this gentleman and leave with him without knowing anything about this gentleman here.
00:16:56In the five-minute rage moment, you feel like doing anything.
00:17:01Well, it's not just five minutes, she's organizing an escape and he was willing to take her away anyway.
00:17:06Yes, yes.
00:17:07And then her husband and this gentleman and this Genoese become friends.
00:17:10Yes.
00:17:11A saint.
00:17:12He also organizes...
00:17:15Who is he?
00:17:16And Massimo, I mean, he makes me promises, no, to start all over again.
00:17:24He does it to her, not her to him, which would perhaps have been more appropriate.
00:17:27Because he hadn't kept several promises when we got married and so he felt a little guilty.
00:17:36I felt guilty too.
00:17:39But he said, no, let's start over, you, me and our daughter, let's try to mend our marital relationship.
00:17:51What decision do you make?
00:17:52To leave Puglia, to reach Umbria where there were relatives of my husband who had spoken that
00:18:00there was work,
00:18:02there was a house at our disposal.
00:18:07All this, since the main problem was work, well, had your husband found work in Umbria?
00:18:14Yes, he had found a job at Giorgio Giorni.
00:18:18Who owns a small construction company specializing in cladding and flooring.
00:18:25Moreover, this entrepreneur, Giorgio Giorni, was also a very well-known person in the area,
00:18:31in short, a highly appreciated person, both on a professional and personal level.
00:18:37Yes.
00:18:47What job, Giorgio, do you offer your husband?
00:18:52Offers flooring and bathroom tiling work.
00:18:57Anyway, how does your husband feel about Giorgio Giorni's venture?
00:19:02It's quite well located, it's located.
00:19:05And apparently, a cordial relationship is also established with Giorgio Giorni on a personal level.
00:19:10Yes.
00:19:11Because, so much so that at a certain point, her husband invites Giorgio Giorni to your house.
00:19:15Yes, she invites him for her birthday, Maria's second birthday.
00:19:22Well, Mrs. Deserto, at first glance, what impression does Giorgio Giorni make on you?
00:19:30That he is a person, I mean, quite sociable, I like him as a person.
00:19:39In fact, Giorgio Giorni, beyond being her husband's employer,
00:19:44he seems to take the fate of your family to heart.
00:19:48Because, as it appears from the documents, Giorgio Giorni also behaves in a very generous way,
00:19:54I would say generous towards you.
00:19:56And it supports you in so many ways.
00:19:57Would you like to remind yourself what courtesies and kindnesses are?
00:20:01The courtesies we received from Giorgio Giorni were, they say, the most banal.
00:20:09He sent me the electrician, he sent me the plumber, he gave us the Panda for work use.
00:20:18In short, I ruined my car and you might as well get another car, another Panda.
00:20:28All these kindnesses he did for us.
00:20:31He had a lot of attention for you.
00:20:33In short, I'm not saying Santa Claus, but in short this gentleman manifests himself in a precious presence.
00:20:39A brother, a generous big brother, yes.
00:20:44Mrs. Tiziana, here, but all these courtesies, all these attentions that Giorgio Giorni had for you,
00:20:50How did you perceive them?
00:20:53At first I see him as a big brother, then later I start to see him as a rather caring man.
00:21:12Towards him?
00:21:14Towards me, because then he makes me understand it also with the frequent phone calls he makes to me, with the text messages
00:21:23what does it do to me.
00:21:24Why were you writing these text messages to her?
00:21:26Sometimes I would text myself good morning, but no, it was late, sometimes he wouldn't text me compliments like that,
00:21:37just to make fun of me, so to speak, because then I didn't believe it, but I accepted them, right?
00:21:46That I was the most beautiful brunette in the Tiber Valley, you're my big girl, you're my slut, all those things.
00:21:52However, it is enough to make her think that these attentions that Giorgio paid, had for you, for your family,
00:22:00were addressed to her.
00:22:01Yes.
00:22:02But then we get to Christmas, you know, because at Christmas there's a pretty significant episode, after all.
00:22:10Yes, at Christmas he came to my house to wish me a happy Christmas, he brought me a gift which consisted of a suit
00:22:19intimate.
00:22:19and there I was stunned for a moment, but then no, I mean in the end I accepted it, even if always
00:22:30I was left with a certain okay, right?
00:22:35But what does this very intimate gift make you think, what does it make you foresee?
00:22:42Eh, he was starting to feel attracted to me.
00:22:46Well, you know what, he flattered her, in short.
00:22:48Yes, indeed.
00:22:52Anyway, as far as she is concerned, Tiziana, well, well, things with Giorgio don't stop here, well, because
00:23:00as it also appears from the testimonies of the neighbors, Giorgio at a certain point begins to get into a habit,
00:23:07that is, he begins to frequent your house with considerable assiduity.
00:23:12But with one small detail, what days did he come to your house?
00:23:17But she came in the morning, that is, when her husband was at the construction site.
00:23:22Yes.
00:23:22So, how did she interpret it, so, this, this, this, this frequentation, the morning days, the early riser?
00:23:32I interpreted it as, that is, something was being born for me, that is, on his part and for me and also from
00:23:45my part,
00:23:47that is, more than a friendship was being born, I wouldn't dare say it was a love affair, but a mutual infatuation.
00:23:59But, Mrs. Deserto, she liked him because he was a pleasant person, she liked him physically, or she liked him because he was a social person,
00:24:12professionally established?
00:24:13In short, a person who was a step above.
00:24:17Yes, I liked him because he was quite a successful person, both professionally and socially.
00:24:25I saw him as the man, that is, the ideal man.
00:24:31But did she like him physically?
00:24:33Yes, I also liked him physically.
00:24:34So, then, let's face it, Tiziana, we saw that she had been unhappy with her life for some time, unhappy with her
00:24:42marriage,
00:24:43with all that wonderful husband, very patient, dissatisfied also, above all, let's say, even with her financial situation, in short.
00:24:52In fact, to buy a 60 euro gun...
00:24:56He paid it in three installments.
00:24:58He had to buy it in installments, and that says it all, basically.
00:25:01And suddenly, Giorgio Giorgi appears in his path.
00:25:04Well, whether she liked this gentleman or not...
00:25:07So, are you starting to see him as the man who brought about the turning point, the person with whom you could have made a turning point?
00:25:13Yes, yes.
00:25:16There was...
00:25:17There was...
00:25:19He could be the man who makes the turning point in my life.
00:25:25So, she had also taken into account the possibility of leaving Massimo, taking away from him that little girl he loved.
00:25:33above everything in the world?
00:25:36Yes, I was planning in my head to take her away too, because she was above everything.
00:25:45Yes, but was she having an affair with Giorgio Giorgi or not?
00:25:50I had a relationship with Giorgio Giorgi that was more sentimental than sexual, because between me and him there was
00:26:01'It was just a kiss and that's it.
00:26:04There was no sexual intercourse.
00:26:07Well, a kiss is a little story of Peinè's sweethearts, after all.
00:26:14We were also at the beginning, I mean it's not that...
00:26:18Well, but he, this man, didn't show any signs of wanting to have, I don't know, a more intense relationship, I mean a sexual relationship.
00:26:28What is a relationship, then a relationship is not just sentimental, madam, otherwise it becomes a friendship, they are two
00:26:33different things.
00:26:34I mean, sexual intercourse couldn't have happened right away, you always wait a little, right?
00:26:41Because then, right? I mean, he also thought I was married, right?
00:26:47Anyway, still on the subject of Giorgi and his relationship with this man, she said that Giorgi had
00:26:55He talked about a sentimental situation, a romantic relationship he had been having for...
00:27:02Yes, but they were at the end of their tether because they no longer got along.
00:27:09But she didn't know anything about who this lady was?
00:27:12No, I didn't know, I found out afterwards, I found out during the investigation after the tragedy.
00:27:20Without further ado, Mrs. Tiziana, let's get to the point which is the wounded heart of this story, little Maria.
00:27:30At home, with her, in the morning, until little Maria went to nursery school, there was
00:27:36Mary.
00:27:37So, Maria was there even when Giorgio Giorni came to visit her.
00:27:41What attitude did Giorgio Giorni have towards his little girl?
00:27:46How did he deal with Maria?
00:27:47With Maria he behaved as if he were an uncle, a father.
00:27:56In a tender, affectionate way, she brought him a little gift every now and then.
00:28:01I remember she brought him a stuffed toy.
00:28:05I remember that one day, going to his mother's house, he bought him a doll, well, he even bought him a
00:28:16toy vacuum cleaner, these things.
00:28:20In short, the little girl behaved in a tender and affectionate way.
00:28:25Here, as a sinister icon, here, a photograph remains of this tragedy.
00:28:30Which was taken on my little Maria's birthday.
00:28:34The little girl was turning two years old.
00:28:37In front of Maria there was a big cake, with candles, next to Maria.
00:28:42George Days.
00:28:58Tiziana, regarding precisely these attentions, the kindnesses, the affections that Giorgio Giorni dedicated to his little girl,
00:29:06and he looked favorably upon, let's say, this type of relationship between Giorni and the little girl.
00:29:15Yes, why not, I mean, since there was the plan to leave, no, I saw that, my mind saw,
00:29:26no, that what we had thought was coming true.
00:29:33Meaning what?
00:29:34That is, that Mary became fond of him.
00:29:38And that he would become attached.
00:29:39And that he, in turn, became fond of her.
00:29:44Look, but Giorgio Giorni, besides bringing her little gifts, like that, he picked her up, cuddled her, right?
00:29:53Yes.
00:29:54Listen, have you ever noticed, Tiziana, any gesture, any attitude, anything in Giorgio's behavior towards the little girl?
00:30:05that it lent itself to not exactly reassuring considerations?
00:30:08No, never, never.
00:30:12Well, Mrs. Tiziana, as we said, your little girl was two and a half years old at the time of the events.
00:30:17Look, but is it true that he still couldn't speak, that he wasn't able to express himself?
00:30:23He said very few words, to make himself understood, no, to say water, he made agua.
00:30:28A little cut.
00:30:30He had a little bit of a speech delay, but the pediatrician said it was normal, that is, I had to send him to the
00:30:38nursery school, no, so he socialized with other children and helped the development, no, of language.
00:30:46And so for this, above all for this, you send the child to nursery school?
00:30:50Yes.
00:30:51Here's a question, Mrs. Tiziana: when little Maria went to nursery school, did Giorgio Giorgioni still come to her house?
00:31:01Yes, yes.
00:31:03Mrs. Tiziana, we come to April 5, 2004, which is the day of the tragedy.
00:31:10Here, for the sake of brevity, I'll summarize the background.
00:31:13That morning Giorgio Giorgioni called her, very early, it was 7.30.
00:31:18He tells her that he has little work to do that day and that he would have liked to bring the
00:31:24little girl, take her to the park, you know, carry her around, you know.
00:31:27Tiziana, do you immediately accept the proposal of the days? Do you accept it with pleasure?
00:31:33Yes, I accept it with pleasure because there was always, as I said before, the plan to go and live
00:31:43Together.
00:31:44I mean, I thought, let's spend a half day together.
00:31:51No objection? He doesn't have any objection? Because her husband was there and so she didn't want to tell her...
00:31:58Husband?
00:31:58No.
00:31:59So why did she know her husband wouldn't agree?
00:32:02Yes.
00:32:03Now, having said that, she raises an objection a few days later and says, how can I give you the child?
00:32:08Then, my husband comes back, the daughter has to go to kindergarten, my husband comes back to them for lunch.
00:32:12What does he tell her days?
00:32:14Don't worry, I'll bring her back to you, I'll bring the little girl back to you after your husband...
00:32:19He left after lunch.
00:32:20He's coming for lunch, you prepare his lunch and I'll bring it back to you later.
00:32:23So, this is...
00:32:24Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:32:25So it's clear that she doesn't tell her husband because her husband wouldn't have liked it.
00:32:29Indeed.
00:32:30It would have prevented it, that's all.
00:32:32And, Mrs. Tiziana, this was precisely one of the key points, and still is one of the key points of the accusation.
00:32:42at his expense.
00:32:43Tell us, was this the first time you entrusted Giorgio Giorni to your daughter?
00:32:48It was the second time because the first time was on January 22nd and he was missing for about half an hour.
00:32:59He asked to take Maria away to buy him a little doll with a coloring book.
00:33:06The little girl was fine, when she came back she was calm.
00:33:09Happy, serene.
00:33:13So, she willingly accepted that Giorgio Giorni took the little girl with him that morning.
00:33:19He explained to us why he favored this... he wanted this harmony to be created and vice versa for the little girl.
00:33:25It must have been a mutual affection.
00:33:29But there is a fundamental reason that stands out.
00:33:33Why did she trust Giorgio Giorni?
00:33:35Because Mrs. Tiziana, entrusting a child to a man, a stranger, is always a very high risk.
00:33:43Why did she trust this man?
00:33:45Why not, I was... I mean... I was falling in love.
00:33:52Excuse me, isn't falling in love enough to trust?
00:33:54I mean, they trusted him because we even had plans to move in together.
00:34:02So, how can you not trust a person you're planning a life with?
00:34:09Giorgio, here in the area, in the area I'm talking about the whole upper Valtiberina, therefore the city of Castello Sansepolcro,
00:34:14he was a good person, let's say, a perfect person.
00:34:19Known to all as an excellent entrepreneur, as a great friend,
00:34:23as a person who had all the makings of a winner.
00:34:28female friendships, male friendships, hard worker, great tour.
00:34:33So, here was a person who was a truly good person in every way.
00:34:39He has never shown signs of sexual deviance in the past,
00:34:44therefore signs of deviance at the level of paedophilia.
00:34:47And that's what he did then too...
00:34:49So, Tiziana Deserto fell in love with this man precisely because he had all the right credentials.
00:34:56Then he became a monster.
00:34:58After, not before.
00:35:00So, behind the fact that days he came home in the morning,
00:35:03that behind the gifts, the attention he had for her, for the little girl,
00:35:08the little gifts, the teddy bears, the vacuum cleaner,
00:35:12She never thought that behind all this there could be such a perverse plan,
00:35:19this man's murderous act against his little girl?
00:35:21Never.
00:35:22I never thought so.
00:35:25No, Mrs. Tiziana, why are you asking so much,
00:35:29because I repeat, this is the atrocious accusation, which is horrible,
00:35:34it is truly intolerable that it was made against her,
00:35:36that she would have entrusted her daughter to Giorgio Giorni
00:35:39to bind this man to himself, but aware,
00:35:46that he had abused his little girl.
00:35:48This is the accusation that has been brought against her.
00:35:51I reject these accusations.
00:35:54I reject them, categorically.
00:35:57That defamatory accusation against me
00:36:01it's all up in the air.
00:36:03I don't know where they got it from.
00:36:11I wouldn't have sent my daughter to do dirty things.
00:36:16Never.
00:36:17Never.
00:36:19I may have been a light-hearted wife.
00:36:23I may have been, but never a bad mother.
00:36:27Listen, Mrs. Tiziana,
00:36:29his little girl spoke little,
00:36:31but children, even when they don't speak,
00:36:34they have, all in all, reactions,
00:36:36a gesture that is more eloquent than the words themselves.
00:36:40Little Maria, when she saw Giorgio Giorni,
00:36:43What attitude did he have?
00:36:45I don't know, did he have an attitude of rejection, of fear?
00:36:48How did this little girl behave when she saw this man?
00:36:52No, he ran into her arms around her neck.
00:36:57He ran towards her, pulled her pants just to say I'm in,
00:37:06say hello to me, because he did, sometimes he pretended not to see her just like that.
00:37:12She did that to him, just to get attention.
00:37:20Anyway, Mrs. Tiziana, let's go back to that cursed morning.
00:37:26So, Giorni calls her at 7.30, asks her to bring the little girl with her,
00:37:30She prepares the baby, waits for her husband to go out and entrusts this little girl to Giorgio Giorni.
00:37:34The agreement was that he would bring the baby back to her directly after half past one,
00:37:40when her husband had already left the house.
00:37:44However, during the morning, she receives a phone call.
00:37:47Do you remember what time it was?
00:37:50I'll say it, 10.44.
00:37:52What does Giorni tell him?
00:37:53That were on Città di Castello, they were on a park,
00:38:00and if I could reach them, Maria was about to fall asleep.
00:38:06And I didn't invite him to cover it with a blanket, with something he had.
00:38:12But are you sure that's all he told you?
00:38:15Mrs. Tiziana, try to remember.
00:38:19Giorni said something else, in short, and the neighbor said something else too.
00:38:23That is, that Giorni essentially told her that the little girl was not well,
00:38:30and invited her to join her because the little girl was ill.
00:38:33No, little Maria was fine, she was.
00:38:36Because if he wasn't well they wouldn't have stayed there, on the seat, sleeping.
00:38:42He just told me to meet her at the park,
00:38:45and he told me that Maria was about to fall asleep and I invited him to cover her.
00:38:53Okay, but if the little girl, excuse me if I insist, madam,
00:38:55but if the little girl was just about to fall asleep,
00:38:58what was the problem for him?
00:39:00That the little girl was falling asleep and she had to go and join her?
00:39:03Isn't there such a strong and concise logic to this, after all?
00:39:08Not him, that's why he calls me, not for anything else.
00:39:12He doesn't tell me that Maria isn't well.
00:39:14In this case you may have removed a detail,
00:39:18that is, she basically said at the trial
00:39:22when Giorgio Giorni called me to tell me that the little girl wasn't feeling well,
00:39:27they told her what I would ask her.
00:39:29Madam, but you weren't alarmed, you weren't worried?
00:39:32And she said no, because since the little girl had had the flu,
00:39:35I wasn't worried because he was on antibiotics.
00:39:38This happened, I said this sentence in the reception when I was admitted to the emergency room,
00:39:45I didn't say it in the interrogation.
00:39:49Anyway, she gets in the car and reaches Giorgio Giorni.
00:39:52What is the scene she presents?
00:39:54When she arrives, where is he in the park?
00:39:58The Tiber Bend in Città di Castello.
00:40:01He, I find him talking on the phone, invited me to see Maria, I don't open the door.
00:40:11So it's true that she didn't even open the door?
00:40:13No, because I saw that Maria was sleeping, I didn't want to wake her up because if I woke her up
00:40:20she wouldn't have, she would have started screaming and throwing tantrums.
00:40:27So when she sees the little girl, the little girl is covered, how is she with, what is the little girl covered with?
00:40:33I think it had a cover, I don't remember, it's been a long time.
00:40:38So how do you see her head, right? So, how does the little girl see it?
00:40:42He sees half of his face.
00:40:45Do you see her as happy? How does the little girl seem to you?
00:40:47Normal, a sleeping little girl.
00:40:51Unfortunately, however, she did not check the child.
00:40:55Without, Mrs. Tiziana, but she never said to herself, my God, but if I had taken her in
00:41:00arm,
00:41:01If I had checked on the child, wouldn't what happened have happened?
00:41:06Because the little girl was probably already unwell, she had probably already suffered violence.
00:41:12Have you ever thought about this?
00:41:14No, I was very sure that the little girl wouldn't...
00:41:18Because, I repeat, if a little girl, no, there is, had received, had suffered violence, she would not be sleeping peacefully behind
00:41:30a car seat.
00:41:31So she doesn't think at all, go, you know what I'll tell you, now I'll take her home.
00:41:35No, because she says I wasn't alarmed.
00:41:38No, I was calm.
00:41:43I must remind you, Tiziana, that according to the judges, you had not brought it home and you did not
00:41:51brought the little girl home,
00:41:52because she was aware of the violence, the abuse, the cruelties to which Giorgio Gioni had subjected her,
00:42:01she would have had difficulty justifying to her husband the devastated condition of her little girl.
00:42:07This is what the judges believed, in short, this is what a convicted woman was speaking for.
00:42:14These are accusations that I categorically reject, as I have done before.
00:42:18So she goes back home.
00:42:20Around 1pm, from the emergency room of the Città di Castello hospital,
00:42:25a call comes in on her cell phone.
00:42:28Who is calling you on the phone?
00:42:29It was Giorgio Gioni calling me from the hospital emergency room, if I remember correctly.
00:42:41Then the doctor immediately passes me, the doctor tells me, she asked me if Maria had had the flu,
00:42:52I'm down tonight and I'm taking antibiotics, but then I'll ask myself to go to the emergency room.
00:43:02When the emergency room arrives, Mrs. Tiziana, what situations do they find?
00:43:07What do the doctors tell you about the little girl's condition?
00:43:11Something else is what they told her on the phone.
00:43:13So, first of all I don't talk to any doctor, because they find me straight away from the emergency room.
00:43:21rescue,
00:43:22which I noted down in a small room in the emergency room itself, with carabinieri and police personnel.
00:43:36Then a doctor from the emergency room came up to me and told me that Maria was in a coma.
00:43:44He was in a coma after a fall in a park, he said.
00:44:13She described it like this, she summarized the memories,
00:44:25scary, dramatic that she has of that circumstance.
00:44:29Here, the witnesses who were present at that moment reported,
00:44:34that when she arrived at the unit she screamed, she killed me, she killed me.
00:44:38It's nothing true.
00:44:39It is not true?
00:44:40It's nothing true.
00:44:43Nothing.
00:44:44Because she knows that this statement has been given a precise reading.
00:44:51She, in short, the public prosecutor, in short, and the civil party argued that she shouted so much
00:44:58because she was aware that the man to whom she had entrusted this child, her child,
00:45:03he had abused her.
00:45:04In short, this was the, let's say, interpretation that was given.
00:45:07I never shouted that phrase, no, when the emergency room arrived.
00:45:13Listen, Mrs. Tiziana, here is your little girl, healthy and beautiful like a flower, that morning
00:45:19she had entrusted it to Giorgio Giorni, that's it.
00:45:23It's Giorgio Giorni who takes her to the hospital.
00:45:26But when she arrives at the hospital, well, and when they inform her that her baby is in
00:45:32serious conditions, when she then sees her little girl, her mother's instinct, in what
00:45:37direction the door?
00:45:41To ask him what had happened.
00:45:44So he faces it, you know.
00:45:45Yes, I face it, I say, but what happened?
00:45:52Nothing, nothing, nothing.
00:45:55And nothing, then he went away with the police and I didn't see him again for 10-15 minutes.
00:46:08Mrs. Tiziana, but it never occurred to you that this man could have done anything
00:46:14evil, that evil, to his little girl?
00:46:18No.
00:46:19No, absolutely, the idea never crossed your mind?
00:46:21No.
00:46:24Listen, Mrs. Tiziana, the customers have pointed their fingers at a phrase that you supposedly said,
00:46:33this is what a nurse and also a policeman reported, who she told to Giorgio Giorni
00:46:38that these things are discovered, they are things for adults.
00:46:42So, what did she mean?
00:46:43That sentence was referring to the fact of the romantic relationship we had and which was now being discovered.
00:46:54who was now coming to Galla.
00:46:57My husband found out, they knew about it, everyone found out about it.
00:47:01This was his...
00:47:03Yes.
00:47:03So it's true that she said it and this is...
00:47:07and not that thing he insinuated...
00:47:12Mrs. Tiziana, you know perfectly well that unfortunately you are here, precisely because of certain behaviors of yours
00:47:17and as she says they were misunderstood, in short, they were interpreted in a way that was contrary to her.
00:47:23I was judged because I didn't cry, because I was cold.
00:47:27Yes, what appears from the documents, in short.
00:47:29That is, they basically said it's done this way because the only problem is organizing,
00:47:37not the child's drama, but to organize the cover-up of what she knew was
00:47:43happened to his little girl, in short.
00:47:45I am strong, I am strong on the outside, but inside I am very fragile.
00:47:53I live in my conscience with the remorse of that day.
00:47:58Only God knows how much I gave my daughter.
00:48:04Only God.
00:48:06No one can judge me.
00:48:09Nobody.
00:48:12I reacted like this to give myself strength and to give strength to everyone, especially my family,
00:48:18especially my husband, because he is a little weaker than me.
00:48:24I had to give them strength.
00:48:27I was and still am crazy about my daughter.
00:48:33My daughter was at the center of my self.
00:48:37She came first and then I came.
00:48:43Listen, Mrs. Tiziana, when your husband arrives at the hospital, because logically they call him
00:48:48even if then as a certain delay, well, at that point she has to tell her husband that that morning
00:48:54Giorgio Giorgi had spun the little girl,
00:48:56is she telling him?
00:48:57Yes.
00:48:58Now, what was your husband's reaction?
00:49:01Did Giorgi go to confront him?
00:49:02Yes, he wanted to go and confront him, but then he was stopped by the police and in a coincidence that I don't remember well
00:49:14the dynamics of how things went.
00:49:19Today my daughter was undergoing intestinal surgery.
00:49:36Too strong to remember, too strong, too, too much.
00:49:59I curse that day, I curse with all my strength, I curse that this day I ask God to bring her back here.
00:50:12I know it's not possible, but this is what I want.
00:50:19That angel, I address him here.
00:50:27I feel like an empty mother.
00:50:33It is she who gave me strength and who still gives it to me from up there.
00:50:38Poor angel.
00:50:47Excuse me.
00:50:57Excuse me.
00:51:12Maria died at 10.05pm on 6 April 2004, without having learned to speak, without ever having pronounced the
00:51:25word to nothing.
00:51:26Excuse me.
00:51:26He was two years and six months old.
00:51:34That daughter of mine, yes.
00:51:40This one would have been almost nine years old.
00:51:48He would have had.
00:51:53So Tiziana, the forensic medical reports on the body of little Maria Geusa, atrociously indicated that the little girl was
00:52:01brutalized and who died precisely because of the horrific violence she suffered.
00:52:07On April 7, 2004, Giorgio Giorni was arrested on charges of being her executioner.
00:52:14It must be said that at the trial which then sent him to life imprisonment, this damned child predator admitted to
00:52:21having only violently beaten his little girl, because he is nervous, because he is annoyed by the prolonged crying, by the little girl's tantrums.
00:52:30He never admitted to having abused little Maria, despite the medical-legal reports certifying that the little girl
00:52:40she had been raped and that it would not be the first time she had suffered violence.
00:52:46I'm not the defender of days, but I defend the mother, the desert, and she is accused
00:52:55of complicity in the murder of the child, with the aggravating circumstance that it occurred with sexual violence.
00:53:04From what I have been able to verify, and I have also had it verified by illustrious doctors, professors, examining the entire medical documentation,
00:53:18In our opinion and in the opinion of my consultants, sexual violence never occurred.
00:53:27If we were to resume what we read in the expert report and in the sentence regarding the days, we must say that the
00:53:38Vaginal violence does not exist, because the child was intact.
00:53:44So the desert could not participate.
00:53:48Tiziana, as we said, except for that one time, that January 22nd, has ruled out having entrusted the child to foster care on other occasions?
00:53:55Categorically excluded.
00:53:57So, I recommend it to you.
00:53:59The fact that practically because the magistrates who judged her, practically convinced themselves instead that this child
00:54:10other times it had gone,
00:54:13it was in the never of days, because in that garçoniera, in that sort of slaughterhouse, which was then the home
00:54:21where she spent the days with her friend,
00:54:24garbage bags were found and in many of these bags dated products were found and
00:54:33of tufts of his daughter's hair.
00:54:34So this led to the belief that the little girl had been there before.
00:54:37So, they attributed the hair to be Mary's, but not with certainty, because they were close, but they didn't
00:54:48never found hair with a root bulb.
00:54:52To attribute 100% that it was my daughter's hair.
00:55:00However, for those wrong dreams of hers, about her that she lost this little girl, that she killed last year, she is
00:55:08an accusation that is more chilling and more horrible than the law itself has been demolished.
00:55:14On behalf of the Italian people, the Assize Court of Perugia has issued the following sentence.
00:55:26Deserto Tiziano is found guilty and sentenced to 15 years in prison.
00:55:47Enough!
00:55:49Enough!
00:55:52Enough!
00:55:54Enough!
00:55:54Get moving!
00:55:57Enough!
00:56:00Enough!
00:56:02Enough!
00:56:04Enough!
00:56:05Enough!
00:56:06Enough!
00:56:07Enough with the justifications!
00:56:09They gave me a test, but I left!
00:56:12I'm gone!
00:56:14They won't end!
00:56:17They won't end!
00:56:20They gave me a 15 year sentence.
00:56:23These are charges that deserve a life sentence, considering I'm a mother, right?
00:56:32Anyway, are you responsible for this tragedy?
00:56:35Do you recognize yourself, Mrs. Siziana?
00:56:37Having trusted this person.
00:56:42Having trusted this person.
00:56:45Enough!
00:56:47Having entrusted my daughter to this person.
00:56:50There is an unwise trust, in short.
00:56:54However, Tiziana, in this painful, freezing, terrible story, there is one figure that stands out above everything else.
00:57:00Now he's her husband, after all.
00:57:02This man, bent by pain and also bent by humiliation, to learn that she wanted to leave him to go away with
00:57:10the man who would later kill her daughter, would have torn them apart in that way.
00:57:13And this man remained beside her with a tenacity, with a measure, with a dignity that nothing has
00:57:20what to do with weakness, that's it.
00:57:23But did she understand the superiority of spirit, the greatness of this?
00:57:27He is a superior person.
00:57:33You're still together, right?
00:57:35Yes.
00:57:36Despite everything, we are still together and we will continue to fight together to obtain my justice and my inuenza.
00:57:45Until the very end.
00:57:46And is he always there for her?
00:57:47Always.
00:57:49Here, Mrs. Tiziana, but in all this, here, let's talk about the others, here, your parents, your relatives, your
00:57:54friends, her in-laws, well, how did they deal with her?
00:57:59My parents have been by my side from the beginning until today.
00:58:07His in-laws?
00:58:08My in-laws have filed a civil suit.
00:58:12Listen, Mrs. Tiziana, let's talk about the world, the one outside the family. After the tragedy, in general, what a climate...
00:58:21did she feel anything around her?
00:58:24Hostile, they closed the doors in my face. When I went to ask for a job, they heard my name, they heard the name of the
00:58:34Hell, I was the monster. That's the mom, that's like that, that's it, I don't want to say the terms, they make me
00:58:45disgusting, to myself.
00:58:47The desert was the witch, that's how she was presented to Max Media. People wanted, they were thirsty, to know that
00:58:57what had happened between the desert and the days.
00:59:00It was no longer the death of the child that mattered, it was only what had been done, the satanic sects, the search for
00:59:08other people,
00:59:09the fact that Desert sold the little girl for who knows what, he didn't have a cent, yes
00:59:14you see, she was getting by on her husband's salary.
00:59:17And the only flaw of this woman was that she fell in love with the days and then went to think
00:59:25to live with him and the little girl next to him who might become attached.
00:59:29This was the thesis, but the media trial, television and press were all against Deserto, who also
00:59:37He contributed with his rather stern way of presenting himself, of practically not being up to par.
00:59:44The fact, Mrs. Tiziana, that very often we judge without knowing and not rarely we judge without understanding, you see,
00:59:54Mrs. Tiziana, it is to these people that you must speak, it is to their souls that you must speak.
01:00:03I just say to these people who have done none of the things I am accused of, I wouldn't have done it to them.
01:00:14I'm not allowing anyone to touch my daughter with even a finger, anyone, anyone.
01:00:30I have done nothing, I have not done, I have not committed what the accusation brings against me.
01:00:43That's what I want to say, I want understanding and solidarity from these people in the public opinion, I want
01:00:56to be accepted back into society.
01:00:59I'm not a plague victim, I'm a woman like all the others, perhaps with a little bad luck in life, but
01:01:11please I didn't do that, no, I didn't do that.
01:01:21I was a good mother, I was, as I said before, maybe I was just a bad wife, but a
01:01:28very good mother yes though.
01:01:32Maybe with lightness, I acted lightly and that's it, but from here onwards you accuse me of such things, no, no
01:01:43I accept, I do not accept.
01:01:51I ask the public to understand me, to show solidarity with me, and to help this person from whom I am asking for help.
01:02:12I need it too much, I need it very much.
01:02:41I need it too much, I need it too much.
01:03:11Thank you all.
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