Una storia, due tragedie. Quella di un bambino di 10 anni, strozzato e strangolato, e quella di sua madre uccisa a vent'anni di distanza. Processato e assolto per il delitto del figlio, Franca Leosini intervista Bruno Lorandi - padre e marito di quelle vittime - che sconta l'ergastolo nel carcere di Alessandria per l'omicidio della moglie. Quali le accuse mosse nei confronti di un uomo che si professa innocente? Quali le sue ragioni per discolparsi da un omicidio che Lorandi, disperatamente, dichiara di non aver commesso? Il racconto di un dramma - di un duplice dramma - che ha per sfondo la provincia di Brescia e che a distanza di 26 anni è ancora denso di luci e ombre.
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00:00Thank you all
00:46Two tragedies of those that break heart and life are really too many for a man,
00:53especially when it involves a 10-year-old child being strangled and then choked
00:58and of a wife strangled and choked about 20 years after the murder of her son.
01:06But to understand the profound meaning of the tragedy linked to the death of his wife,
01:12Lorandi, a crime for which she is serving a life sentence,
01:16it is a crime for which she professes her innocence,
01:19it is necessary to push back the hands of time,
01:25a long leap that brings us to just over 20 years ago.
01:33When on May 29, 1986 in a clearing on Mount Maddalena,
01:41which is a hill that forms the backdrop to the province of Brescia,
01:45After agonizing searches, the lifeless body of little Christian is found,
01:51his only son is Clara Bugna.
01:55For the murder of her child, for the horror of this act,
01:59suspicion fell on her, Lorandi.
02:02Here, but why?
02:04What could have led the investigators to direct the investigation in his direction?
02:10In short, what was there in his present, in his past, Lorandi?
02:13So, what could lead to suspicions about her?
02:19In my past there was nothing because it's not like I had money to give money to anyone
02:28or one that yes, I don't know, maybe explain to me, from what I know I've always worked,
02:35there was always no reason for me to do something, and then be the only child I had.
02:43Lorandi, what motive has been attributed to you for such a heinous act?
02:50The motive, the interrogation when the Carabinieri came,
02:55before arresting me, they said he killed my son because I came to know
03:01that he wasn't my son, that he was someone else's son and they continued with questions.
03:11On what basis? How many years had she been together?
03:14I met Clara when she was 13, we were engaged for 8 years and married for 43 years.
03:23But were they telling him this in a provocative way?
03:37Yes.
03:37Her child would later be killed due to economic difficulties,
03:41after the bankruptcy of his small marble company, he allegedly organized and participated in the kidnapping of his son
03:47counting on a collection that would have been collected and organized
03:54from the country agent, from the Nuvolera agent to obtain the ransom.
03:59And then unfortunately beyond all her expectations, this according to the accusation that was made against her
04:04moved, her child would then be killed by her accomplices, by her accomplices of this
04:10rectimento, authentic monsters of ferocity who would also, not only strangle the
04:16small, but they also had a wire tied around his neck, in short.
04:20And then with the terrifying accusation of being in some way involved in the murder of
04:27her son, she had ended up in jail, in short.
04:33It must be said, however, that in that dramatic circumstance, Lorandi really gave it her all.
04:40to be considered guilty, to arouse suspicion, because he behaved in certain ways, excuse me Lorandi,
04:47but so absurd, so reckless, as to put the investigators in a position to convince themselves that
04:54she was actually involved in the murder of her son. Now, I'll summarize for you. You, Lorandi, in
05:01What does she do when she's in the middle of the investigation? First she sends the investigators an anonymous letter, in which
05:08an adventurous reconstruction of the facts was put forward. It was written in this letter that
05:15Christian would have been kidnapped and then killed in a case of mistaken identity, because he was an object
05:22of that kidnapping it would have been, it had to be, a child with the same name, but from a family
05:29rich. Naturally, the investigators realize, very soon after, that that letter
05:37It was anonymous, Lorandi had written it, and at that point you were arrested. But excuse me,
05:43Lorandi, but how did it come to your mind, in short, to write that letter, to put your hands on it
05:48And feet in that story? Do you realize? I wrote the letter because by dint of talking
05:53of kidnapping and saying that he was not my son and always, always seeing them there attached to Lorandi
05:59Bruno, I thought of it and I'll try to write a letter that was kidnapping, try
06:04to see if they were looking in another direction. He was also arrested for the nonsense,
06:11having written this letter, because then once arrested, instead of staying calm,
06:19worsens her position and provides investigators with another version of the facts. She declares
06:27that Christian's death had come upon him through an absurd, incredible accident.
06:33What does the investigator say? That Christian was playing while jumping out of his car.
06:40through the window, he had accidentally caused himself a fatal injury. At that point
06:47she, Lorandi, instead of taking her son to the hospital, so panicked, out of fear,
06:52he would have hidden his son's body and he would have hidden what happened and the body of
06:57her son. In short, by declaring to the investigators that this had happened, she however declared
07:04to be involved in some way, if only because he was present in the tragic end of
07:09his son. Is everything correct so far, Lorandi?
07:11Here. But that's not all, because in the end, after having put together this package...
07:19He denies everything, he ...
07:27It's not true at all, I made it all up, in short. Here, Lorandi, even from a distance,
07:33Well, the question arises. But how did it occur to you to act in that way of concocting?
07:39those crazy, delusional lies? In short, she didn't realize at that moment that she was signing
07:46a mortgage that would have, a moral mortgage of course, that would forever weigh
07:52about her, didn't he realize?
07:54No, they showed me pictures of their children, if you swear on my child's head
08:00Look, if you tell me how it was, we'll let you go. And I made up a
08:04a bit of everything. Just seeing that they actually arrested me, when I came
08:09during the interrogation, then I said look, what I said is not true at all,
08:13because I had to invent it, because, I don't know, maybe to distance you a little
08:21by Lorandi Bruno.
08:23Lorandi Bruno from Festerina is a real package. However, she, with the accusation
08:29of having killed his son, however he not only went to jail, but was tried
08:36and however after three levels of judgment, he was acquitted with formula P, acquitted
08:44for not having committed the crime. However, Lorandi, someone killed his son,
08:50Do you have any idea, any suspicions, do you have any idea who it might have been?
08:55There were trades to be made that they could have made if they wanted to make them.
09:02Now Lorandi, let's get to the point, which is the crux of this story, a husband, the father
09:07of his own child, is accused of having killed him. Faced with such a terrible accusation,
09:13What position does his wife, Clara Bugna, take towards him?
09:20I believe in the man I've lived with for twenty years. When they give me proof, perhaps
09:29I'll tell myself that I was wrong too. But until this thing is clarified, I remain
09:36close to my husband. He was a man who loved his child very much, he wanted him,
09:51He has always been very close to her. I don't know how he can believe the things that are told to me and that
09:58Don't give me proof. I want the truth, that's what matters.
10:05My wife always believed me innocent, even from day one. We wanted it.
10:12so much, this child, and for her I was the only person who could not have done a
10:19something like that, as he always said. He was always there for me, he always helped me,
10:24but always comforted me, he gave me the strength to carry on because it was a bit hard.
10:35But yes, we've always been together, we've always faced good and bad together.
10:42However, Lorandi, in that tragedy for which I cannot find adjectives, the figure of Clara stands out
10:49with anguish and with absolute dignity, in short. It is a gigantic figure that of
10:55his wife. For example, it appears that no one has ever seen Clara cry over that
11:02lost child.
11:03Never. They've never seen her cry, just as they've never seen Lorandi cry. When she
11:09In the evening we were at home, if we wanted to cry, we both cried together for our
11:13child. But outside, even the day he started going to work, which she then
11:19he had to face, that he worked in a hotel, always face people with a smile, however
11:26she never let it be seen that inside she was suffering a lot. It was difficult for Clara to show
11:36out or cry to be seen, to be pitied, but it was a difficult thing.
11:44In the evenings he stayed at home, we looked at photographs, we cried, but for us it was like that.
11:50Once the Lorandi trial was over, how did you and Clara face that life without, without?
11:56I mean, Cristian? So, how did you spend those mutilated days of yours?
12:01Our days were getting up in the morning, saying goodbye, going to work, she worked
12:08even on Sundays, we continued like this for ten years.
12:12Until one day, which by now added up to ten years, to days tired of sadness,
12:19in pain, Clara returns home waving a newspaper. What was written on it?
12:25Is this Lorandi paper so interesting? It said a dance course, I think,
12:33something like that. He asked me, look, it's out of town, nobody comes here,
12:40because there was still a bit of... it's outside Brescia, just after Brescia I do a school
12:46to dance, if we want to go, come on let's go in the evening, so much... and then I have an account, so much
12:52whatever, let's go.
12:54So, Clara comes with this paper, waving this paper, this dance school, so
12:59an initiative by Clara, and she first said a little sentence which, thus, leaves room for certain
13:06doubts. Why outside the country, excuse me? Why outside Nuvolara?
13:10Why she was still, I don't know, because there was a lot of talk, she was still there
13:16people who were chatting about Clara, her behavior which, in short, did not see her
13:22crying, not seeing her... for them it was a thing, I don't know, or to show that someone is suffering,
13:30he really has to cry, to show himself.
13:33I hope that it is, that it was your impression, because I really don't want to believe that people
13:38of nuvolera, if it weren't so, if it weren't so ungenerous.
13:42But it's not the impression, it's the character that Clara had, that they thought that they were saying
13:47those.
13:48We love these people. So anyway, you enroll in this school, and she does it above all.
13:53to please Clara, in short.
13:55Yes, certainly.
13:55Because she, she doesn't seem to me, well, she seems to me more like Pippo the Bear, well, rather
13:59of a dancer, huh?
14:00Yes, I was absolutely worthless when it came to dancing.
14:02Zero, it was the first ray of light that opened in the darkness of those years, in short.
14:06You begin to breathe life again with this dance school, and you can say
14:11it's almost as if your life begins again with dance steps, with dance steps.
14:15It started again from there.
14:16Moreover, this dance school also opens up other avenues for you, because you have, you do some
14:22new friends.
14:23Yes, when they met Clara, who later also found out why she wasn't
14:27people of nuvolera, what had happened, they are attached just like a friendship,
14:33just friends and just friends.
14:36We met every night to go dancing and we even went on trips together.
14:41to them.
14:42Mexico, Egypt, Sardinia.
14:44Even after the holidays, we didn't let anything go by, even on Saturdays and Sundays.
14:48we left, we went to grandpa's ball.
14:49This on the outside, that's it. But inside your relationship, that's how it worked.
14:56your relationship as a couple?
15:00Good, very good. Really great.
15:04Yes, a truly true couple. Where Bruno was, there was Clara, and where Clara was, there was Bruno.
15:09We are perhaps, I exaggerate, but we have been a happy couple after our ten years
15:19of suffering we have done.
15:21But in fact, Loranti, for the record, here, said that one rarely hears talk
15:28of a couple like that after the tragedy everyone who knew you talked about,
15:33They talked about you, they have relatives, friends, acquaintances. In short, they talked about you as a
15:38model couple, always together, always in tune, never an argument, this is what they say
15:43others, never a rudeness, none of the neighbors ever heard you shouting among you, on the contrary
15:50There are some friends of Clara who said that Clara, referring to her, said
15:55my Bruno. That's what he was referring to her. Here, Loranti, we are here talking to each other as far as
16:05it happened, but a truly great protagonist absent from this story is Clara herself,
16:10his wife. Well, actually, we know a lot about Clara, but also very little.
16:15Here, tell us, your wife, what was Clara like?
16:19Clara was a fabulous woman, as they say. We worked hard because we always had
16:29They both worked, but she also liked to have fun, she liked to buy things for the house
16:36that she liked. In short, as far as I know, Clara was a very strong woman, strong, in short
16:44determined, available, but decisive. She had the trousers on at home, in short, she tells us that
16:50For example, she was the one in charge. One of the times we talked, she told me, Clara
16:54She was the soul of everything. And it even turns out that whatever it was, she was also the cashier,
17:00It's true, at home, in short, sole administrator of all the assets, in short. But it's true
17:04that at the end of the month, when she received her salary, she handed everything over?
17:08Everything. I gave her money, I don't know how much money I have, I don't know how much money she put away, I don't know
17:14How much money she had, I don't know anything. I know that when I had to go somewhere, Clara would
17:19He still had the money, here. If he had to leave, he was already paid because he was already paid.
17:23Clara. In short, she gave her pocket money, but she was the one who gave everything.
17:27He gave her pocket money, you know, like you do with kids, you know. And she was fine.
17:30so, but, well, it was... I mean, I was fine with it because at least
17:35responsibility was taken care of, that's it. Listen, then Andi, but to avoid making the
17:39santino to his wife, but was there something about his wife that he didn't like? Look, I
17:43I can tell you at least 6-7 things about my husband that I don't like, but no one can accuse me
17:48of wanting to kill him, so something. I wouldn't find a thing to say yes, look, I don't
17:54I like it, no, nothing. Clara was too perfect. There were even her friends who called her
18:01the perfectionist because she was too perfect. Listen, Lorandi, I'm saying this so that you can then
18:09understand things that we will explain later. It seems that Clara was also very methodical,
18:14I mean, I don't know what I mean, he ironed on Tuesdays, on Fridays at the hairdresser's, it corresponds
18:21this. Yes, I've never seen Clara ironing, I've never seen Clara working after
18:28that, after 7 or 6.30 I come home. If I did it, I did it the
18:33Tuesday,
18:33because Tuesday was her day off, that is, she had to iron something for herself or for
18:38in the morning, that is, in the morning since he started going to work at 10, in the morning he
18:43he ironed the things he had. But I'll have to see if he could take the iron out once or something.
18:48how do you attach the iron or how do you put it up. But he did this for
18:53flirtatiousness? Why? Why do you do this to her? Because she liked it when I came to stay at home
18:58just there with her. Lorandi, we now come to the last period of your wife's life.
19:05in short, from the memory album of those who knew Clara, here emerges the portrait of a woman
19:12that after the dark years following the death of your child, Cristian, seemed more
19:18Serene, there, somehow at peace even with her pain. Do you confirm this, Bruno?
19:24Yes, I confirm it because the pain was always there because we never spent a Saturday
19:32without going to the child's cemetery. I saw her happier, more relaxed, even
19:38with her friends, that is, I saw her more, I don't know, freer, happier. She had everything that
19:50that she wanted, that is, she didn't lack anything anymore, she had her house, she made it the way she wanted it
19:54She. We spent a lot of money fixing her up. Everything she decided, she decided.
20:00with her. However, she confirms that in the last period of her wife's life, she in some way
20:07way she had made peace, even in some way with her pain, well, but this form
20:14of regained serenity also means that Clara had given up on the idea that he was found
20:25the murderer of her son, because it turns out to be a person close to Clara that his wife
20:31he had in mind as an essential idea, instead almost an obsession that the truth be found
20:38on the end of Christian, our son. For her, the need to look was indispensable
20:46in the eyes that had killed her child. In short, as it turns out, to that extent it is not
20:53She was resigned that her son's murderer would go unpunished and that when the prosecution decided
21:00at a certain point, Clara had refused to return your son's clothes and blankets to you
21:08in short, here it is, a refusal by his wife which was linked precisely to these new techniques
21:14investigative techniques based on the possibility that DNA, let's say, could perhaps identify a
21:21a stain, a footprint, something, in short, through the carabinieri's RIS.
21:27We both wanted to know the truth and we went there to ask how the investigation was going,
21:34how I went, how Clara went, how we went there once or twice together
21:38lawyer. Three times? We went three times. Listen, Clara has always been confident in
21:42time, in its innocence. Yes. In its externality. Yes, yes. I have had lawyers, in
21:48I had had two or three, but I had the fourth at home. He was worse than the lawyer, but
21:53he tortured until, well, he realized that the praying Bruno had nothing to do with it.
21:59I really acted as a judge, because I still wanted to know how things were and in fact I
22:07I kept questioning him and asking questions and asking what happened and he just
22:14kept saying he hadn't done anything.
22:17The character that Clara had, I don't know if Bruno Lorandi was at home alone.
22:24Anyway Lorandi, between light and shadow we have gone through 20 and more years of your life together
22:30life, of his and Clara's life together, I mean. We now come to February 10, 2007, which is
22:37a date that traces the dark line of a destiny without a horizon. Here, Lorandi, however, first
22:44to get to February 10th, I would like you to reconstruct for us, if you remember, how you spent
22:50the 9th in the evening, the night before the tragedy. I remember why, right, because it was the day
22:589 and the eve is my birthday. On the 9th evening I came home at 6 from work and
23:06as
23:06I saw Clara arriving with the car, I turned on the gas and in fact after 5 minutes, 10 minutes
23:13he came up, I said to her, cables, where have you been until now? And I had in my hand some, like
23:21it was called, some underwear, in short, on the arm, but after a kiss he told me, I brought
23:26on some clothes drying, I think. Why do you hang the laundry down in this garage?
23:30Yes, because there's the washing machine downstairs, there's everything downstairs, in short, we have nothing up there.
23:35And we both ate together, I took out the envelope, pay, I gave it to him,
23:40because I only get overtime in cash and a 100 euro tip every month.
23:46I gave her the money, 6-100 thousand lire, I think, and 100, Clara told me, these
23:51here you take them because the next day was my birthday, because at work, when
23:56one years ago, you have to go out and get breakfast for everyone and he put them in my wallet
24:03on the table next to where I had the keys. We ate, they came at 10, we
24:10I started watching those shows, the ones about Patli that they show in the evening. Towards
24:1711 o'clock she came near me, she started touching me, you're getting old here and here, and there we have
24:23started making love there on the couch.
24:26It's comforting, it's also very sweet that it's a couple after so many years, alive
24:31still these sofa passions, let's say, in short, that is, always like this among you.
24:35Yes, but we did couch potatoes many times, I mean, it's not like we did just one.
24:39per month.
24:40So there were frequent passions, in short, there was heated sex between you.
24:47Yes, and we ended up in bed there, we both made love, he came
24:52half past midnight.
24:55So basically this is the last night, that's it.
24:59Yes.
24:59However, Lorandi, I would like you to remind us how you also reconstructed the minutes
25:05early hours of that morning, of what would be the last morning.
25:11That morning I got up at a quarter past six.
25:15Clara came up to me and said, “Here’s my old man.”
25:18He grabbed me by the neck, pulled my ears and gave me a kiss.
25:24He told me, look, I didn't give you anything as a gift, but I booked 4 or 5 days
25:31in Val di Neon.
25:33When I went to work she was always in bed, meanwhile she went at 10.
25:38I passed by Clara, kissed her again, then went towards the door,
25:42I took my wallet and my keys on the cabinet, where there was one in the evening, I opened
25:51the door with the keys that were already inside, which are Clara's, I took them out,
25:57I put them on the cabinet right there near the door.
26:01I took my bike and rode it to work.
26:04Now, since you know well that unfortunately when there is a legal matter every element
26:11It can have a double reading, I must necessarily remind them that this detail of the 100 Euros
26:18which she says her wife had given her to offer breakfast, was an element
26:24which was read in terms contrary to her, because according to the prosecution she would have offered breakfast
26:32to his co-workers, to his work colleagues, as a testimony to demonstrate
26:39that at the time when what happened should have happened, that is, the murder of his wife,
26:44she was present in the company, in short.
26:46Are there any objections you can make?
26:48She was just breakfast, with breakfast then proving to be uninvited.
26:53I'll make you understand.
26:55I was always at work at 7am, 7pm, 20pm, if I don't turn on the compressor, no one
27:00he can work, because the cars run on the compressor and I work every morning
27:05what I had to do was turn on the compressor and that's what I did that morning.
27:09So she goes into the company, comes back at 6.50, offers breakfast to her colleagues, puts
27:17the machines are regularly running, in short he gets to work on his duties, but at 10
27:2319, one point, a call comes in on her cell phone.
27:27Who is calling you?
27:28The owner where my wife worked told me, look, Clara didn't come this morning.
27:34to work, he had to go somewhere.
27:37What job is it?
27:38Excuse me if you want to tell us where your wife worked.
27:43At the Scajola, at the restaurant, at the restaurant, he was a waiter.
27:47At the restaurant, yes.
27:48And I said, he told me, he didn't have to go anywhere.
27:53And Clara is at home.
27:54No, look, we've already been there, and Clara isn't there.
27:58Who had gone home besides her?
28:00She is Mrs. Caldera.
28:01The lady of the palace.
28:04So they are two people.
28:05Yes, two.
28:05And so this lady had gone, she had knocked on the door and his wife didn't, that's it.
28:10Do you remember talking to the restaurant owner about your wife not showing up?
28:16What does he tell her?
28:17Because this sentence had a lot of weight in the trial.
28:21Yes, yes, I told her look she had to iron and then she told me she was coming to work.
28:24Well, that's the question that, ultimately, the investigators asked themselves and I'm asking you.
28:29Faced with a communication that could have been alarming because his wife gave no indication of herself.
28:37How come his reaction was like this?
28:39I know my wife had to iron.
28:41Because on Friday night when she came home from the hairdresser and she had in her hand these underwear that she brought
28:46in the child's room.
28:50Well, she told me, well, that she had to iron because I have...
28:53So, basically, you know, when you got this phone call, you weren't alarmed?
29:00No, not even a little.
29:02You know that this sentence that you said, I know that my wife had to iron, was read as serious
29:08evidence of guilt on his part.
29:10Why what did the prosecution say?
29:12He said that his wife had to iron to suggest that when he left the house his wife
29:19she was still alive and he knew he would iron her.
29:43Going back to the sequence of events, then she leaves work, goes home.
29:50I ran home and as I ran home at the door of the building there were both ladies there,
29:59Cristina and Caldera.
30:00And they told me, look, we've already rung, there was a knock at the door but Clara isn't there.
30:04I went up the stairs, I went up, I took the keys, I opened, I entered, there is the corridor joined
30:12so and our room is at the end.
30:15And when we made the corridor like this, everything inside was turned off, everything was dark.
30:19Make the corridor like this, but there is a bit of light coming from the window, from the kitchen, because there is no
30:26they are shutters.
30:26There's a large glass over there, a bit round there.
30:30And there's a streak of light like this.
30:33And she came to go into the room, just to find her in my room.
30:38And turning around like that, I saw this streak of light.
30:43Clara's belly here like this, a piece over here.
30:46And I started giving back to my Clara, to my Clara.
30:49And I felt myself being grabbed from behind and pulled out the door.
30:52And the ladies who closed the door.
30:55And I found myself sitting on a couch there.
30:57They gave me drops, I kept giving them back to my Clara, but what I did when I came in.
31:06So this is the reconstruction of his memories.
31:09Yes.
31:10Well, I must necessarily remind you of what was told by those who were with you, by these two gentlemen.
31:23Because it appears from their testimony, so she opens the door to the house.
31:29And according to them, she didn't even enter the house.
31:33In short, from where, from the front door, she would have seen only a part of Clara's body.
31:42No, I entered the house, I don't let him go into the house.
31:44They say no.
31:45He would have remained on the floor erupted and screaming, crying, as she said.
31:51Yes, my Clara.
31:52And so, there are some questions that arise.
31:56You, Lorandi, seeing your wife on the ground, first of all, what did you imagine had happened to her?
32:05I imagined nothing at that moment, but as soon as I entered I saw her there on the ground like that and I started
32:11I screamed my Clara, my Clara and I felt myself being pricked outside the door.
32:16But instead of shouting my Clara, my Clara, I tell her what the investigators said, because not
32:21did he rush to his Clara to help, to see what had happened to her?
32:26Maybe her Clara had fainted, maybe she had felt ill, but what did she think?
32:33Not because he was sick.
32:35And why didn't she go to help?
32:36I didn't make it because they grabbed me by the arms and carried me out on their shoulders here, they
32:40They pulled both of them out of the apartment and closed the door.
32:45That's it. That's all I remember.
32:48Because she remembers what they thought, what is written in the documents of a trial, in short, because he already
32:54he knew he had killed his wife.
32:57In any case, Laurenti, this is the point where the two tragedies that marked his existence come together.
33:05they join together in a fatal synthesis.
33:08Because with the violent death of his wife, the tragic end of his son, resurfaces like the ghost of a
33:16memory that carries within itself the cruel mark of a curse.
33:21Because from that moment on, in fact, everything that happened, everything she said, everything she did, everything
33:28what has been seen and done by her,
33:31it was read in the light of what had happened twenty years earlier with the murder of his son,
33:39with the death of her son for which she was tried and acquitted.
33:44Here, however, Laurenti, is a story which, despite the acquittal, has left an indelible mark of suspicion on her,
33:56a dark shadow that never lifted.
34:00Anyway, Laurenti, after he discovered his wife's body, his wife's unfortunately lifeless body, she
34:07he feels sick.
34:07Remember? Her blood pressure skyrockets, and a doctor intervenes and immediately rushes her to the hospital.
34:17As regards the violent end of his wife, investigations naturally began immediately and, although his wife was found
34:25with the bathrobe belt tightened around the neck,
34:31Investigators immediately rule out suicide. Is that true, Laurenti?
34:35The last thing Clara would do is take her own life, even though it was hers.
34:41At that point, perhaps also because of that ancient curse, linked to the death of his son, the investigators' suspicions
34:51focus on her, Laurenti.
34:54Now, Laurenti, let's analyze the elements of this story together and I ask you to explain the reasons why
35:03She claims that the sentence that was given to her,
35:07a condemnation of gastro, would be the result of a dramatic error.
35:11We start together from the crime scene, we begin from the front door.
35:19When she and the two ladies arrived at her apartment, at the front door, how was the door closed?
35:28The door was locked, I had to put my keys in and open it.
35:33I asked her so much because she knows that Clara's house keys are never there again
35:38have been found.
35:39No, they have not been found.
35:40Here, and logically for the investigators and then for the judges, she would have taken these keys to disappear.
35:47The door of the Laurenti house, of the Laurenti conic apartment, closed with a snap, that is, you just had to pull the door and
35:56make sure it closed.
35:58So it wasn't necessary to lock it with the keys.
36:01So if Laurenti had been the murderer, the creator of the mise en scène, as he was later accused of,
36:13he would surely have behaved differently and therefore he would have pulled the door, securing it without locking it with the key and then going
36:21at the workplace.
36:23But was Clara the type to open the door to strangers in his absence?
36:29He opened up, he's open because he knew him. He's someone who came home again.
36:37Now let's go into the house together, Laurenti.
36:40Clara was lying lifeless next to the living room sofa, the belt of her bathrobe tight around her neck.
36:48But what raised questions was the fact that the house was in perfect order.
36:54That is, there was only one door of the living room cabinet wide open and a drawer of the same cabinet half-open.
37:02We agree on this. So no chaos, no overturned chairs, no knick-knacks, no broken furniture.
37:09Here, nothing that suggested that Clara could have defended herself, could have fought with someone.
37:17In short, Clara would essentially have let herself be killed like a sacrificial lamb.
37:21In short, a circumstance that the investigator considered unbelievable.
37:25You, Laurenti, how do you explain this order, this fact that the house was in perfect order,
37:33with a dead Clara on the ground, with a strangled man?
37:37There must be order because the house has always been in order.
37:40Yes, but if someone comes to kill…
37:42If someone you know came, why did they come?
37:47I don't know if she came for the money, if she came to ask for something, I don't know what happened.
37:55If someone is attacked, they defend themselves, ornaments fall, chairs overturn.
38:03Essentially none of the above.
38:05But there was another fact that raised doubts, raised suspicions about this scene
38:12considered by the investigator to be a set-up organized by her, Laurenti.
38:17The apartment was shrouded in darkness.
38:20In fact, the shutters in the house were all down.
38:23The question that the investigators asked themselves, in short, which I address to you,
38:29they said to each other, but how is it possible that Clara ironed in the dark?
38:34How do you iron in the dark?
38:36How can you explain this, Laurenti?
38:38But did he iron it even with the light on?
38:41I'll let you know.
38:42When I left, Clara was sleeping.
38:44Let me know what he did next.
38:46Did the person who entered also turn the light on or off before leaving?
38:49Who locked her in?
38:51Should I let you know?
38:52That is, this is rightly a hypopsia of his.
38:55In any case, Laurenti, you know that logically the opinion of the investigators' conviction
39:01it was another one, in short.
39:02That is, that she had essentially killed his wife and had not raised the shutters.
39:08because otherwise the neighbors would have seen what was happening inside and what had happened inside.
39:15Here, one last piece of information, Laurenti, although not the least in the investigators' evaluation method.
39:21Here, in your double bed, between the sheets, on the quilt, on the pillow,
39:27on Clara's pajamas, but also on her pajama trousers, Laurenti, were found
39:32some bloodstains that later turned out to belong to Clara and some bloodstains
39:38mixed with saliva on the pillow.
39:40The analysis revealed, as I was telling you, that the stains belonged to your wife.
39:45Here, for these traces of blood, these matic traces of Clara, on which much attention is paid
39:52the prosecution, Laurenti, what explanations did you give?
39:56No, look, I've been thinking about those stains there for a while, because they're a bit,
40:05I don't know if they are stains from when we made love or from the day before, I can't
40:12to give me an explanation.
40:14Why when did you make love, excuse me?
40:17I don't know, because when we make love, maybe we lose a little blood and Clara, mixed with saliva,
40:21sometimes…
40:23I don't know, I don't know, she's not a virgin, but she was a woman who, as they say...
40:29Well, I'll tell him, I mean, even with a hint of discomfort and respect for his wife.
40:33And so she said that her wife had some dryness, you know, vaginal and when
40:39you were making love it could happen that, well, your wife had some losses.
40:45Yes, yes, yes.
40:46Of course I have to remind you of what is present in the trial documents, that
40:52that they considered first the inquirer and then the judge, that is, they considered that she instead
40:57he would have killed Clara in bed, that is, while she was sleeping and then he would not have eliminated those
41:04stains because, first of all, he didn't have time.
41:07It's because of these stains, which were scattered around the sheets, on the pillow,
41:12in his pajama pants, he hadn't noticed because it had all happened in the dark.
41:16It is these elements that led to, that earned her a life sentence.
41:23Yes, I know, yes, but these are elements that I just can't swallow, I don't know, not even
41:32a mark of Clara, that is, either mine or under my nails or something that is Clara.
41:36Excuse me, but at this point I have to take the part, well, the part that is against you, in short.
41:42I mean, if I had killed Clara while she was sleeping, Clara wouldn't even have had a chance to react.
41:48And my hands, I mean my nails, I mean doing, I don't know, I...
41:53But didn't they examine it, Lorandi?
41:54No.
41:55Didn't they do a physical examination on her, you know, an exam?
41:59No, I didn't do anything.
42:02They were out for eight months without doing anything, after eight months I came there but they arrested me.
42:07Lorandi, in any case, I will summarize for you, now in bulk, the thesis of the excuse.
42:11According to the judges, at dawn she strangled and choked her wife Clara while she was sleeping.
42:34Morandi, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel,
42:37novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel,
42:39novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel, novel
42:51they would always be explained in this way by the prosecution, just as I was saying before, all the traces of
42:58blood found in the bed on the pajamas on the duvet on the edge of the sofa always in the
43:04the accusation begins logically with her attacking Lorandi after having strangled and choked
43:08his wife clara would then have picked her up and put her down let's say
43:16noon and the water is where it was found and this would also explain why Clara was at
43:22bare feet but it would also explain why no footprints of mute feet were found on the
43:28floor, these are some of the elements that have been considered suspicious, let's say.
43:36but here is Lorandi assigning his fate was above all a small banal
43:43household object an iron because the incredibly protagonist of the process was
43:50an iron and this is because because on that iron but above all on the time in the
44:01which this iron would have been turned on there was moreover a furious battle between accusation
44:06and the decisive factor in the defense was to technically establish exactly what time that
44:15iron had been turned on if it had been turned on while she lorandi was still at home and
44:21so to create an alibi she could have turned on the iron if instead this iron had been
44:29turned on after the time she had left the house at which point Clara would have turned the iron on
44:37And
44:37so a clara lives well while she was out of the house when clara put in with the plug there
44:42lorandi was working the use of the household iron is a central point of the
44:49process it represents the real procedural moment in which it can be established with
44:57which could be established if Lorandi had been less present at the time of the crime in the house where
45:03Unfortunately, Clara Bugna died and was therefore reconstructed by the prosecution
45:08the moment the iron was used, data was obtained which were
45:16that is to say, contested and contested by the defense consultant who supported and has
45:24written that this data was absolutely unreliable so the central point of the
45:30the process moves through a reconstruction of a test carried out in a laboratory and which is also precarious.
45:37the objections were absolutely not accepted and therefore they were ignored and no action was taken
45:42not even in an expert opinion does Lorandi see it, she knows well that beyond the iron beyond
45:47from the
45:47matic stains beyond the raised shutters lowered the two sides here among which
45:57his innocence oscillates his guilt these are two the time of his wife clara's death
46:05and the time she left home she remembers that time exactly she said
46:13to have been
46:13away from home and look when I leave home above I speak from home on 25 at 7 or 6
46:25and a half
46:256.30 6.35 she said that's if Clara was killed after that time so after
46:326:35
46:34she has an alibi from Federo because at 6.50 she was certainly called to the company as we have
46:40widely explained but the point is this for Clara's death the prosecution experts are examining
46:48a time span that goes from 2.30 in the morning to 8.15 in the morning you know how they do it
46:56in general the experts
46:57for death they take a broad time frame based on a series of physiological and environmental elements
47:04The experts established that Clara would have been killed around 5.50 in the morning, the time in which
47:13the orandi she was certainly at home for the prosecution so the orandi responsible for the murder of her
47:18She would be the wife but the question to ask is this and maybe it's not even her that I can ask it
47:28can
47:29To scientifically establish the exact time of a person's death we must have humility
47:36each of us to say I am not a witness to the event I cannot be restricted in the evaluation of
47:43time of when this happened here is the time range that we often offer it is clear that
47:48in such a case when the time gap between the supposed death and the confirmation of the data
47:56thanatological apart from the coroner it is expressed in 8 or 10 hours the coroner must be humble
48:01in offering an extremely broad reality and above all cannot offer it in minute terms
48:08this is what forensic medicine offers otherwise we provide a weak service and above all
48:14anti-scientific to judicial reality and procedural truth and we become utopian bearers
48:22of a thought that cannot be scientifically compressed into a few hours.
48:26Lorandi I would now like to go back to the days following the tragedy, here we left her in the hospital
48:31we said that she had been traumatized and her blood pressure had skyrocketed next to her in those dark days
48:38there were his family members especially his sisters when he left the hospital where does Lorandi go what
48:44ago?
48:44because my mother in law lives alone and they asked if I could go there with her and I have always been
48:54together with my mother-in-law. It was undoubtedly a sign not only of affection but also of great trust.
49:00towards her. Yes, because I loved my mother-in-law but I never had anything to do with my
49:07mother in law
49:08so with my brothers-in-law because they came there they brought me food they took me for walks
49:13every day every day they told me you Bruno you have to keep going like this you always have to say what you have
49:20Done
49:20you always tell the truth and go. However, as it appears from the documents, at a certain point this opening of
49:25credit
49:25that Clara's family members have towards her undergoes a change because your relationship is heavily tilted
49:35His wife's relatives, however, testified that admitting suspicion would have been, first of all, his behavior
49:43that is, a behavior that they defined as ambiguous, strange, they said that she never left the house
49:49who was always silent, who never mentioned his wife's name
49:53who never intervened in their conversations logically relating to Clara
49:59and he always sat with his head down and when they asked him why she didn't want to talk about Clara
50:07that is, she only repeated with the monotony of a mantra that Clara had told her she had to iron
50:14This is what the trial documents show. So you don't recognize yourself?
50:18Do you recognize yourself in this description or not?
50:21No, because when someone came there, my sister or friends there was a separate room
50:27we went there, we talked about Clara, we talked about everything there was to talk about
50:32but even with my brothers-in-law I had no one left, so what did they do?
50:37According to Clara's brothers she would have left home and he did leave home
50:41because the moment she started, she sensed that they suspected that she was the one who killed Clara
50:59October 12, 2007, approximately 8 months after the tragedy
51:05She Lorandi is arrested, the accusation is one of those terrible ones
51:10it was her who killed his wife Clara Bugna
51:17see Lorandi, his is a story that shocks and dismays
51:22also for the questions it raises on the level of deep feeling
51:29because she would have killed her wife by strangling her right in bed
51:33where you had made love a few hours before
51:36in short it's a horror, a real horror
51:40because let's say it all Lorandi
51:42or she is a poor wretch, a Nobel Prize winner of misfortune
51:46they would say bad luck in our country
51:48victim of a miscarriage of justice which then crushed her
51:51or forgive me you are truly a monster
51:55that is, someone capable of killing the person he should have loved most in the world
51:59and he talks about his wife and his son, in short
52:01so let's say Lorandi right away for intellectual honesty
52:06that his was a highly circumstantial trial
52:09a circumstantial trial based primarily on two or three elements
52:14considered to be indicative for the prosecution
52:19and absolutely impractical for defense
52:21starting from the motive attributed to her
52:25I would like to remember what the motive was?
52:27but there were two motives
52:30the first was because Clara had told me
52:36who wanted to reopen the child's case
52:40then instead there is another one who was for
52:45that is, with the severance pay
52:47which he had taken for when he retired
52:50Clara would have liked to reopen the case
52:55but can I ask how much it would have been
52:57let's say what this liquidation would have amounted to?
53:008 thousand euros
53:00it's a big number
53:02it's a big number
53:03in any case Lorandi for the prosecution
53:05she killed his wife
53:07precisely because of the invincible need
53:10that Clara had
53:11that we arrive at the truth
53:13for the murder of her child
53:14It must be said that people close to Clara
53:17they said his wife had
53:20in the last period
53:21honestly this needs to be remembered
53:23with a bit of a fixed light
53:24that the investigations were reopened
53:27so much so that Clara followed with trepidation
53:30not just the news
53:32but he drank like nectar even
53:34news related to the investigations
53:38which had led to reopening
53:40to solve the Olgiata case
53:43let's forget about Via Poma
53:44but the case of Elisa Claps
53:46In short
53:46but she confirms this
53:49I confirm that he was looking at her
53:51but what Clara would have told me once
53:53if I had money I would open the case
53:57you heard me talking about money
54:00to open the case
54:02there is one thing that needs to be said Lorandi
54:03Clara is a lovely and beloved woman
54:07had nothing outside of your life
54:11as a couple
54:12let's talk about him not having a lover
54:15to give a reason for this tragedy
54:18but she hypothesized a robbery-murder
54:22right Lorandi?
54:24in this regard Lorandi
54:27she talked about 5 thousand euros
54:30which would then disappear
54:32from a piece of furniture in your home
54:34right from that piece of furniture
54:35whose door was found open
54:37let's start by saying one thing
54:38Clara used to keep at home
54:41such a large sum?
54:43Clara kept the money at home
54:44when he had to buy something
54:46since she is paid under the table
54:49his money doesn't go to the bank
54:50she keeps them
54:51as in black
54:52is he causing trouble for his employers in Rome?
54:56because Clara wanted to have her teeth fixed
54:595 thousand euros?
55:00it was money he had prepared to give the dentist as a down payment
55:03but who could have known, sorry
55:05that Clara had such a large sum of money in the house?
55:09who could have known?
55:12there is a person who knows because he also said it
55:15there is the waiter where Clara worked
55:18don't name names
55:20ninth
55:22he had confidence in him because
55:24but Clara had this kind of confidence
55:27this person about whom we know nothing
55:30he was confident because he was a boy
55:32who had been sent away for reasons
55:35then it was summarized
55:37and Clara was helping him
55:40Anyway
55:41Lorandi, one thing needs to be said.
55:43these are absolutely personal inferences
55:47for which she logically takes responsibility
55:49but of course
55:50it is an indisputable and incontestable fact
55:53that in this legal matter
55:55Bruno Lorandi was the one and only suspect
55:59no one else
56:00declares Lorandi Bruno guilty of the crimes attributed to him
56:04and considered the continuation
56:07he is sentenced to life imprisonment
56:09in addition to the payment of the costs of the pre-trial detention proceedings
56:13the word ergastro is scary because you have to die in prison
56:17that's a word there
56:19No
56:24why doesn't it make me
56:26I'm less afraid of the ergastronomy than the word
56:28Bruno you killed your dear
56:35because I don't know what to do anymore
56:37I've always said it since day one
56:40I said it again there in the hospital
56:42under the effect of the stings
56:44they came there to the police
56:45I explained everything he did that day there
56:49I have always sworn before God
56:51ahead of everyone
56:52who did nothing to my wife
57:01and you don't hear anything
57:02we're not talking about anything
57:04thrown out of the way
57:15but if you don't see it
57:17listen to my head
57:18end it all
57:19Enough
57:20I already still have my Clara
57:22that gives me strength
57:23I do not know
57:42I do not know
57:45It is known that those accused of having harmed women and children in prison are not
57:52he has an easy life
57:53How do her fellow inmates relate to her and Lorandi?
57:56Well
57:58they come there to kiss me
58:00people who are 70 years old who come there to give me the pololotta
58:08it's true that they are close to them because
58:12they are close to it
58:13they fear for her
58:14even those far away who have gone away from here
58:16they write to me
58:17don't be afraid Bruno
58:19you will see that justice will come on your side
58:24justice
58:29Lorandi
58:30she anyway
58:32she says I
58:33I don't have the courage to do it
58:35but she tried to take her own life in prison
58:38Yes
58:38is that so?
58:40it would be nice
58:40I ran out of it all
58:42I know I'm going with my Clara
58:44I'm not going to hell
58:46because hell is here
59:01I'm not going to hell
59:05I'm not going to hell
59:17I'm not going to hell
59:35Thank you all.
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