Gianfranco Cherubini: Era sordomuta, io l'amavo | Storie Maledette 2012 [HQ] - Video Dailymotion

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E' una storia che si consuma nel cuore della Sardegna, in terra di Barbagia e che vede come protagonista una donna sordomuta: Maria Pina Sedda. Franca Leosini intervista Gianfranco Cherubini - condannato all'ergastolo con l'accusa di aver ucciso la sua giovane e bella moglie sordomuta, proprio alla fine di un luglio di dieci anni fa. Le pareti affrescate dai murales dei detenuti del carcere Badu e Carros di Nuoro fanno da sponda al racconto della vita di una donna impermeabile ai suoni e alle parole. E che rivive proprio attraverso le parole di un uomo che si professa innocente e che ne racconta il suo amore.   #StorieMaledette #FrancaLeosini #Leosiners #Crime #TrueCrime #Delitti #Misteri #Killer #SerialKiller #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #Mistero #Delitto #Documentari #Documentario #Docu #Doc #DivinumCrime #Lucarelliracconta #BluNotte #CarloLucarelli #ColdCase #Crime #TrueCrime #Giallo #CronacaNera #CronacaItaliana #BluNotte #CarloLucarelli #MisteriItaliani #Lucarelliracconta #Blu #Notte #Carlo #Lucarelli #Racconto #Racconti #Giallo #Gialli #Noir #Thriller #Crime #TrueCrime #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #Nera #CronacaItaliana #Crimini #Criminali #CasiIrrisolti #Misteri #Mistero #Documentari #DocITA #CrimeDoc #Indagine #Giallo #Omicidio #Delitto #Delitti #Assassino #Killer #SerialKiller #Noir #Racconto #Cattura #CSI #CriminalMinds #SubENG #Delitto #Delitti #Crimine #Criminale #DivinumCrime #Blu #Notte #Carlo #Lucarelli #Misteri #Italiani #Documentario #Docu #Doc #DocuITA #Netflix #Streaming #SerieTV #Serie #TV #Stagione #Completa #StagioneCompleta #Tutte #Puntate #Puntata #Episodi #Episodio #Mafia #CosaNostra #MafiaItaliana #Corleone #Corleonesi #Cupola #Boss #CriminalitàOrganizzata #Camorra #Gomorra #Casalesi #CasalDiPrincipe #Clan #Boss #Ndrangheta #SacraCoronaUnita #Antimafia #Falcone #Borsellino #Saviano #RobertoSaviano #Riina #Provenzano #Vallanzasca #PippoManiero #Turatello #Mesina

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00:00:00Thank you all

00:00:50When a story falls on the land of Barbagia

00:00:53It reflects the strong character of this fascinating and mysterious land

00:00:58archaic and contemporary of overbearing and enchanted beauty

00:01:02like its long green silences

00:01:05her name is Maria Pina Sedda, the protagonist of this story

00:01:09she is deaf and dumb

00:01:11wealthy family, youngest of three sisters

00:01:14Maria Pina is 43 years old

00:01:16he is from Gavoi

00:01:18ancient heart of an internal and Barbagian Sardinia

00:01:22at 780 meters above sea level

00:01:2433 kilometers from Nuoro

00:01:27but light years away

00:01:29for fascination and harmony

00:01:30from the vulgarity that exists in all latitudes

00:01:33with frequency it spreads

00:01:37deaf-mute

00:01:37a few months old

00:01:39a virus steals Maria Pina

00:01:41hearing and speech

00:01:42and forever condemned to silence

00:01:45but Maria Pina doesn't give up

00:01:47tough, tenacious, courageous

00:01:49always supported by the family

00:01:51attends specialized schools

00:01:53and with difficulty, with anger

00:01:55he climbs over it with a wall of silence

00:01:57learn to read other people's lips

00:02:00the words that have no sound for her

00:02:03and learn to give a sound to the vocal cords

00:02:06up to modulating phonemes

00:02:08that resemble words

00:02:09he graduated in Rome

00:02:11he specialized at the commercial institute of Gavoi

00:02:14in Nuoro he works at the registry office

00:02:16and then

00:02:17that in 1989

00:02:21knows Gianfranco Cherubini

00:02:24Cherubini, did she kill her?

00:02:26no, I didn't kill my wife

00:02:28Maria Pina Sedda

00:02:32but first

00:02:34to forward us

00:02:35Cherubim in history

00:02:36who tied his

00:02:37to the fate of Maria Pina Sedda

00:02:39I would like to talk about her

00:02:40I would like to talk about his life

00:02:42she was born in Nuoro in 61

00:02:44it appears he was not very passionate about studying

00:02:47but passionate about work experiences

00:02:50and precisely while he is on duty as a security guard

00:02:53at the Bank of Sardinia

00:02:54from Nuoro naturally

00:02:56that she knows

00:02:58Maria Pina Sedda

00:02:59she remembers what year you met

00:03:01she and Maria Pina Gianfranco?

00:03:06we met in

00:03:09April 1919

00:03:111989

00:03:1289?

00:03:1389

00:03:14How old was Cherubini at the time?

00:03:1728 years old

00:03:19How old was Maria Pina?

00:03:2132

00:03:23first sight Cherubini

00:03:24What do you like about this girl?

00:03:26what does she like?

00:03:26What strikes you about Maria Pina?

00:03:28I liked him as a person

00:03:31as a girl

00:03:32even beauty

00:03:34she had come closer

00:03:36if I'm not mistaken

00:03:37to ask for information

00:03:38he had to do a bank transaction

00:03:41Maria Pina is deaf and dumb

00:03:42Here you are

00:03:43when she approaches

00:03:44to this beautiful girl

00:03:46he knows that

00:03:47it is closed in the darkness of silence

00:03:48In short

00:03:49Do you know that she is deaf and dumb?

00:03:50No

00:03:50I didn't know she was deaf and dumb

00:03:55Indeed

00:03:55for me

00:03:56I think

00:03:57at the start

00:03:58I think it is

00:03:59a girl from outside

00:04:00how to pronounce

00:04:02that not

00:04:03he didn't speak well

00:04:05and then after

00:04:07come to know

00:04:07who was deaf

00:04:09who was deaf and dumb

00:04:11deaf-mute

00:04:12Therefore

00:04:12doesn't she understand it right away?

00:04:14No

00:04:15At that time

00:04:15there's this first chance meeting

00:04:17Here you are

00:04:18in the bank

00:04:18and then

00:04:19how it evolves

00:04:20his relationship with Maria Pina?

00:04:22how does she see it again

00:04:23to establish

00:04:24a contact

00:04:25a relationship

00:04:25with this girl?

00:04:27Then

00:04:28if not mistaken

00:04:29she came back again

00:04:31and then after

00:04:33we met again outside

00:04:34we talked

00:04:36and then we started

00:04:38to hang out with us

00:04:39we are given appointments

00:04:40we are seen again

00:04:41In short

00:04:41she started courting her

00:04:44this girl?

00:04:45we are seen again

00:04:47normal

00:04:48as

00:04:49two boys

00:04:51Then

00:04:51the opportunity arose

00:04:54we went

00:04:54to get out

00:04:55At that time

00:04:56Terubini

00:04:57listen

00:04:57Maria Pina's handicap

00:05:00it was a handicap

00:05:01demanding

00:05:02Here you are

00:05:02it doesn't represent a problem

00:05:04for her

00:05:05In short

00:05:05she

00:05:05he has no difficulty

00:05:07to communicate

00:05:08with this girl

00:05:09with which

00:05:09Anyway

00:05:10there is a problem

00:05:11to relate

00:05:12No

00:05:13he has no problems

00:05:13because for me

00:05:14it's not a problem

00:05:16since he understood me

00:05:18I could understand

00:05:20there

00:05:21I don't see

00:05:22what was the obstacle

00:05:24it turns out that Maria Pina

00:05:25he had learned

00:05:26even to serve oneself

00:05:27masterfully

00:05:27of the cell phone

00:05:28is that so?

00:05:30Yes

00:05:31with the cell phone

00:05:33to send

00:05:34to use

00:05:34for me

00:05:35to send messages

00:05:36she

00:05:37really

00:05:37It seems he used it

00:05:38frantically

00:05:39the cell phone

00:05:40it was almost a prosthesis

00:05:41for Maria Pina

00:05:42In short

00:05:43Why

00:05:44to what I have

00:05:46Bed

00:05:47from the documents

00:05:47he says

00:05:48she did it like this

00:05:49he was typing

00:05:50the number

00:05:51on the cell phone

00:05:53and in his own way

00:05:54he was speaking

00:05:55and then

00:05:56but not having

00:05:57hearing

00:05:58she was waiting

00:05:58the answer

00:05:59the answer

00:05:59with messages

00:06:00by text message

00:06:01it's like this

00:06:03listen

00:06:03Carubini

00:06:04referring to

00:06:04to that one of yours

00:06:05first meeting

00:06:06there in the bank

00:06:07Here you are

00:06:07after how much

00:06:07after how long

00:06:08a story begins

00:06:09a flirt

00:06:10between her and Maria Pina

00:06:11in essence

00:06:12Here you are

00:06:12after how long

00:06:13you get together

00:06:14a couple of months

00:06:15soon enough

00:06:16In short

00:06:17put together

00:06:17Therefore

00:06:18Carubini

00:06:19she tells him

00:06:20It is true

00:06:20to Maria Pina

00:06:21who had been married

00:06:22In short

00:06:22who was returning

00:06:23from a failure

00:06:25of marriage

00:06:26from a separation

00:06:27he tells him

00:06:27from now on

00:06:29I pointed out

00:06:31Look

00:06:31I find myself

00:06:32in this situation

00:06:33I wouldn't want to then

00:06:35Perhaps

00:06:36that he came

00:06:37to find out later

00:06:38and take

00:06:39a disappointment

00:06:40informs me

00:06:41Indeed

00:06:41at the start

00:06:42he says

00:06:42she was hurt

00:06:43Why

00:06:45because maybe

00:06:46he thought

00:06:46that I could

00:06:47to go back

00:06:49Instead

00:06:50I said

00:06:50no look

00:06:51I closed

00:06:51completely

00:06:52for me

00:06:53it's closed

00:06:53a chapter

00:06:54it's closed

00:06:55there is no such risk

00:06:58for me

00:06:58the story is closed

00:07:01I do not want

00:07:02waste time

00:07:03it's not for

00:07:06for fun

00:07:07I told him

00:07:07she falls in love

00:07:08by Maria Pina?

00:07:09Certain

00:07:10I don't know

00:07:11quote again

00:07:11to understand

00:07:11what is it about?

00:07:13in particular

00:07:13of this girl?

00:07:15All

00:07:16I'm curious

00:07:16Also

00:07:18from

00:07:19what he did

00:07:21Despite

00:07:21his handicap

00:07:23represented

00:07:23reason for fascination

00:07:24for her

00:07:24somehow?

00:07:26for me

00:07:26Yes

00:07:28Why

00:07:29what he did

00:07:30there

00:07:30but he was a person

00:07:31normal

00:07:32in quotation marks

00:07:33he couldn't do it

00:07:35Meaning what

00:07:35or it was difficult

00:07:36In short

00:07:37she before getting tied up

00:07:38to Maria Pina

00:07:39Here you are

00:07:40he didn't say

00:07:40to herself

00:07:41but I'll make it

00:07:42but I won't make it

00:07:42where am I going to fit in

00:07:44In short

00:07:44do you ask these questions?

00:07:46No

00:07:46Not

00:07:48I repeat

00:07:49I saw for myself

00:07:50it's like he was a normal person

00:07:52it didn't matter to me

00:07:54listen

00:07:54Cherubim

00:07:55Maria Pina

00:07:56he lived in Nuoro

00:07:58I pronounce well

00:07:59Nuoro?

00:08:00Nuoro

00:08:01At that time

00:08:02Maria Pina lived in Nuoro

00:08:03because she was employed

00:08:05at the registry office

00:08:06that is to say

00:08:06Maria Pina's family

00:08:07to which, moreover,

00:08:09the girl was very attached

00:08:10instead he lived in Gavoi

00:08:12that Maria Pina

00:08:13Gavoi era

00:08:14when Maria Pina

00:08:15he demonstrated

00:08:16his interest

00:08:17for her

00:08:19the family

00:08:20by Maria Pina

00:08:21what was his reaction?

00:08:22as he welcomed

00:08:23Maria Pina's decision

00:08:24to bind himself to her

00:08:25Cherubim?

00:08:26I think that

00:08:27have had

00:08:28some doubts

00:08:29Why

00:08:29maybe they thought

00:08:31maybe it will be

00:08:31a person

00:08:32who were afraid

00:08:34that it was one

00:08:35to make fun of her

00:08:37what was wanted

00:08:37take advantage

00:08:38of the situation

00:08:39and then leave them in the lurch

00:08:43I think it is

00:08:44a normal thing

00:08:46for a family

00:08:48having a daughter

00:08:50under these conditions

00:08:52to put on

00:08:53some questions

00:08:55but she went

00:08:56to know her

00:08:57this family?

00:08:58then I went

00:08:58to know her

00:08:59I went

00:09:00I met them

00:09:01they never told me

00:09:03they accepted me

00:09:04without problems

00:09:06are you sure about this?

00:09:09at least

00:09:10what I had understood

00:09:11this is it

00:09:13no because

00:09:13as far as I know

00:09:14Instead

00:09:15Maria Pina's family

00:09:16which is a family

00:09:16well-known and wealthy

00:09:18of Gavoie

00:09:18seems to have demonstrated

00:09:20instead immediately

00:09:21a certain disappointment

00:09:22little availability

00:09:23towards him

00:09:24Cherubim

00:09:25at least

00:09:25this is evident from the documents

00:09:27and this

00:09:27first of all because

00:09:28she was divorced

00:09:29Then

00:09:29for the Sedda family

00:09:31she was deprived

00:09:33of a curriculum

00:09:33scholastic and professional

00:09:35that they could

00:09:37to consider up to par

00:09:38by Maria Pina

00:09:39of their daughter

00:09:40Then

00:09:42apparently

00:09:43In short

00:09:44they were not

00:09:45very favorable

00:09:46to this relationship

00:09:47his with Maria Pina

00:09:47because she

00:09:48in their belief

00:09:50he had a job

00:09:51which they believed

00:09:52not up to par

00:09:53of the daughter

00:09:54and then

00:09:55because they thought

00:09:56that she was not

00:09:58let's say

00:09:59adequate

00:10:00as a social level

00:10:01Here you are

00:10:01to their condition

00:10:02last but not least

00:10:03even if in the end

00:10:05it seems that

00:10:06were not in favor

00:10:07to her

00:10:07also because

00:10:08as far as it turns out

00:10:09she had a character

00:10:10gruff

00:10:11abrupt

00:10:11a little grumpy

00:10:12In short

00:10:12I did a little

00:10:13a little list

00:10:14of things

00:10:15she

00:10:16In short

00:10:16corresponds

00:10:17to what I told her

00:10:20This

00:10:20And

00:10:22when they said

00:10:23After

00:10:24I have to redo myself

00:10:26in the trial documents

00:10:26Certain

00:10:27this is that

00:10:28what they said

00:10:28but at the beginning

00:10:30to me

00:10:30I have never

00:10:31result

00:10:32This

00:10:33the fact

00:10:36that they

00:10:37they didn't accept me

00:10:40I don't know

00:10:41also from the fact

00:10:41that we were going

00:10:42often there

00:10:44to the country

00:10:45to find them

00:10:48and they never told me

00:10:49if I would never be

00:10:50left

00:10:51to find them

00:10:53Perhaps

00:10:53apparently

00:10:55or to please

00:10:55Maria Pina

00:10:56or not so

00:10:57for a matter

00:10:58courtesy

00:10:58they showed her

00:10:59availability

00:11:00but it wasn't like that

00:11:01although

00:11:02to put it bluntly

00:11:04let's say

00:11:05in truth

00:11:05here we ask ourselves

00:11:06How come

00:11:06these family members

00:11:08were not happy instead

00:11:09first of all

00:11:10that the daughter

00:11:10had found

00:11:11love

00:11:11and therefore happiness

00:11:13and then that he had found

00:11:14love

00:11:15in a man

00:11:15that in fact

00:11:16he stole it

00:11:17to ghettoization

00:11:18of the handicap

00:11:19but

00:11:20this is a consideration

00:11:21my personal

00:11:22that leaves time

00:11:22that finds

00:11:23Maria Pina

00:11:24she's in love with her

00:11:25Certain

00:11:25I was with Maria Pina

00:11:27for Maria Pina

00:11:27not for family members

00:11:30Anyway

00:11:30when speaking

00:11:31of little appreciation

00:11:33of the family

00:11:33Sedda

00:11:34you need to refer to

00:11:36on the female side

00:11:37of the family

00:11:38In short

00:11:38because apparently

00:11:39Instead

00:11:39the dad

00:11:40by Maria Pina

00:11:41but she was in favor

00:11:43Yes

00:11:43Indeed

00:11:44with me and his

00:11:46it can be said

00:11:47never had any problems

00:11:49Maria Pina

00:11:50had to have

00:11:50Anyway

00:11:51a will

00:11:52rocky

00:11:53a good will

00:11:54capable of holding

00:11:55head

00:11:57people too

00:11:58who loved

00:11:58I intend

00:11:59the mother and sisters

00:12:00Why

00:12:00despite the disappointment

00:12:03on the female side

00:12:04of the family

00:12:05she and Maria Pina

00:12:05go to a certain point

00:12:06go live together

00:12:07Like this

00:12:09compared to the beginning

00:12:10of your story

00:12:11of love

00:12:11after how long

00:12:13are you going to live together?

00:12:15maybe a year

00:12:16she lived in Nuoro

00:12:17and we went

00:12:18at his house

00:12:18she lived in Nuoro

00:12:19because he worked

00:12:21at the registry office

00:12:22and lived alone

00:12:23Maria Pina

00:12:23alone

00:12:24choosing to go

00:12:25to live with Maria Pina

00:12:26Cherubim

00:12:27she had taken into account

00:12:29the difficulties

00:12:30the problems

00:12:31which inevitably

00:12:32they would have presented themselves to her

00:12:34he had taken them into account

00:12:36also because

00:12:36Maria Pina

00:12:37we have to say it

00:12:38beyond

00:12:38of the handicap

00:12:39which she was afflicted by

00:12:42according to many

00:12:43more than a character

00:12:44it seems he had

00:12:45a little character

00:12:46Here you are

00:12:46not always

00:12:47a diminutive

00:12:49it is not necessarily

00:12:50an appreciative one

00:12:50but anyway

00:12:51what character did he have?

00:12:52Maria Pina

00:12:53I this character of his

00:12:56I justified it

00:12:58perhaps because of his handicap

00:13:00maybe because

00:13:02in general

00:13:03this is

00:13:04how much he defended me

00:13:06she

00:13:06Already

00:13:06all the deaf and dumb

00:13:07I'm a little

00:13:09touchy

00:13:09wary

00:13:10Maria Pina

00:13:11she was so anxious

00:13:13that tell

00:13:14that he smoked

00:13:14at least two packages

00:13:15of cigarettes

00:13:16per day

00:13:16True?

00:13:17it's a club

00:13:18almost two

00:13:19maybe the day

00:13:20who smoked two

00:13:21and the nervousness

00:13:22he wore it like this

00:13:23to burn

00:13:25life between your fingers

00:13:27but Cherubini

00:13:27with all due respect

00:13:28for Maria Pina

00:13:29it must be said that

00:13:30after the tragedy

00:13:30speak in terms

00:13:32Here you are

00:13:32not exactly

00:13:33laudatory

00:13:34towards

00:13:35by Maria Pina

00:13:35they were in truth

00:13:36your neighbors

00:13:38your condominiums

00:13:39that they told

00:13:41that Maria Pina

00:13:41in the palace

00:13:42had behaviors

00:13:43let's say singular

00:13:44Here you are

00:13:45he threw it everywhere

00:13:46cigarette butt

00:13:47and I don't know

00:13:49he threw it out the window

00:13:50the garbage

00:13:51In short

00:13:51this is that

00:13:52that they told

00:13:54it's like this

00:13:54but it is

00:13:55Cherubim

00:13:56cigarette butt

00:13:58Yes

00:13:58for her

00:13:59it was a thing

00:14:00instinctive

00:14:02from the window

00:14:04but maybe

00:14:04the tablecloth was beaten

00:14:05I many times

00:14:06I was taking it back

00:14:07don't throw it away

00:14:08why down

00:14:08there may be people

00:14:09people can pass by

00:14:10there may be

00:14:11abbastesa

00:14:12Anyway

00:14:13Maria Pina

00:14:14to stay

00:14:15about Maria Pina

00:14:17part that was

00:14:17a very nice grandmother

00:14:18and as she said

00:14:19she was a beautiful girl

00:14:21it turns out it was

00:14:22even a grandmother

00:14:22very well-kept

00:14:23always in order

00:14:24the perfect makeup

00:14:25the lipstick in the bag

00:14:27In short

00:14:27a gifted person

00:14:29of great femininity

00:14:30It is true?

00:14:31Yes

00:14:32city

00:14:32we said

00:14:34after a period

00:14:35she said

00:14:35after about a year

00:14:36or rather of

00:14:37let's call it flirting

00:14:38of engagement

00:14:39you went to live together

00:14:40but there is something else to do

00:14:41the lovers

00:14:42the sweethearts

00:14:43but each one in his own home

00:14:44other than living together

00:14:46that Rubini

00:14:46especially when

00:14:47as in his case

00:14:48it was chosen to have

00:14:49as a companion

00:14:50a companion

00:14:51who has a handicap

00:14:51particularly disabling

00:14:53in coexistence

00:14:54then how does it work

00:14:55his relationship

00:14:56with Maria Pina?

00:14:57In short

00:14:57you were a couple

00:14:58close-knit

00:14:58everything was fine

00:14:59among you?

00:15:01Everything OK

00:15:02like a normal copy

00:15:04good sexually too?

00:15:05good sexually too

00:15:07a relationship that worked

00:15:08No?

00:15:10but

00:15:11I asked for it so much

00:15:12Why

00:15:13how much

00:15:14they then

00:15:15the neighbors told

00:15:16the witnesses nearby

00:15:18it seems that then

00:15:18Everything OK

00:15:19between her and Maria Pina

00:15:20it wasn't like it worked

00:15:21In short

00:15:21Why

00:15:22after the tragedy

00:15:23your neighbors

00:15:24they spoke instead

00:15:25of a shout

00:15:26let's say animated

00:15:27here it came from

00:15:28with a certain frequency

00:15:30from your apartment

00:15:31a hubbub

00:15:32Colledico

00:15:33of people arguing

00:15:34In short

00:15:35and how much

00:15:36they reported

00:15:37but they were

00:15:37above all

00:15:38Maria Pina's vocalizations

00:15:40Here you are

00:15:40that they felt

00:15:42what does she say?

00:15:43Cherubim

00:15:44they are slander

00:15:45or you were arguing

00:15:46effectively

00:15:47all this happiness

00:15:48there wasn't

00:15:48between her and Maria Pina

00:15:49to argue

00:15:50we didn't argue

00:15:51alright

00:15:51some time

00:15:52that from Cherubini

00:15:53but a disagreement

00:15:56on one thing

00:15:57yes you can

00:15:57yes to politicking

00:15:58but nothing

00:15:59Of

00:16:00like a normal one

00:16:01copy

00:16:03no more no less

00:16:05because she

00:16:05the way that there was

00:16:06to speak

00:16:07which seemed

00:16:08that was

00:16:08Why

00:16:08clear

00:16:09he couldn't speak

00:16:10with a tone

00:16:11low voice

00:16:11precisely for its indicated purpose

00:16:13they have the voice

00:16:14a little higher

00:16:17so she attributes

00:16:18to this

00:16:19In short

00:16:19explain it like this

00:16:20listen

00:16:21Maria Pina

00:16:22she was jealous

00:16:22her

00:16:23No

00:16:24but she

00:16:25he gave it to him

00:16:25some little tunes

00:16:26No

00:16:27never

00:16:27and why

00:16:28she was jealous

00:16:29Like this

00:16:29and his

00:16:31his character

00:16:32it was like that

00:16:34Indeed

00:16:34I was telling her

00:16:36you don't have to be like this

00:16:37Why

00:16:38a couple

00:16:39Like this

00:16:39can't go on

00:16:41but how did he manifest it?

00:16:42this jealousy

00:16:43even following

00:16:44he followed her

00:16:46even following

00:16:47it was stronger

00:16:48her

00:16:49then slowly

00:16:51September 5th

00:16:531998

00:16:54Here you are

00:16:55what does he tell her?

00:16:56this date

00:16:56Chirubini

00:16:57the day

00:16:58of his marriage

00:16:59had passed

00:17:00how old

00:17:01since you were together

00:17:02Chirubini

00:17:02Almost

00:17:03ten years

00:17:04Here you are

00:17:05what drives you

00:17:06to bring to the altar

00:17:07this bond of ours

00:17:08to get married

00:17:09it's a step

00:17:10what should we do?

00:17:10then why

00:17:13in December

00:17:14she was born

00:17:15our daughter

00:17:16Maria Pina

00:17:17she was expecting a child

00:17:18In short

00:17:18you would have gotten married

00:17:19the same?

00:17:20Yes

00:17:21she and Maria Pina

00:17:22a beautiful September day

00:17:23you get married

00:17:25in a small church

00:17:27born on the coast

00:17:28in a small town

00:17:29what is called

00:17:30Torpe

00:17:31it was her

00:17:32Chirubini

00:17:33at will

00:17:34that the marriage

00:17:35was celebrated

00:17:36there in that little church

00:17:37I can tell you

00:17:38what was said

00:17:39Then?

00:17:40at this point

00:17:41so much

00:17:41of things

00:17:42some have been said

00:17:44Why

00:17:44it was said

00:17:45maybe with a pinch

00:17:46of malevolence

00:17:47that she has chosen

00:17:48to get married

00:17:49with Maria Pina

00:17:50in that little church

00:17:52in that little town

00:17:54let's say

00:17:55with only relatives

00:17:57And

00:17:58very tight

00:17:59moreover

00:17:59present

00:18:00because he was ashamed

00:18:02to bring

00:18:02at the altar

00:18:03a deaf-mute

00:18:04if

00:18:06I was ashamed

00:18:07I would have been

00:18:08together with her

00:18:09I would never have put myself

00:18:11here of course

00:18:12the birth of the baby girl

00:18:13bring into your home

00:18:14a breath of joy

00:18:16In short

00:18:17but it also brings

00:18:18an inevitable

00:18:19small tsunami

00:18:20of problems

00:18:21undoubtedly linked

00:18:22to the handicap

00:18:23by Maria Pina

00:18:25at that point

00:18:25How do you organize yourselves?

00:18:27at the start

00:18:30that is, it's not that

00:18:31there was no remedy

00:18:33there was

00:18:34but she came

00:18:37my mother-in-law

00:18:42with the excuse

00:18:43which was a problem

00:18:45for Maria Pina

00:18:46because he didn't feel

00:18:47the little girl's cry

00:18:49or the others

00:18:50excuses of the kind

00:18:51but it was

00:18:52with the insta

00:18:56settle there

00:18:57At home

00:18:59and do

00:19:03to command

00:19:04it can be said

00:19:05Therefore

00:19:05for her

00:19:06his mother-in-law

00:19:07it has been installed

00:19:08at your home

00:19:08it has placed itself

00:19:09from you

00:19:09to command

00:19:10as she said

00:19:11Why

00:19:11but

00:19:12must admit

00:19:13That

00:19:14certain needs

00:19:15they existed

00:19:16Here you are

00:19:17how would he have done it

00:19:17Maria Pina

00:19:18alone

00:19:18then on top of that

00:19:20beyond

00:19:20of not hearing

00:19:21let's say so

00:19:22it's important

00:19:23that a small child

00:19:24also have

00:19:25a person

00:19:25that you teach him

00:19:26even the rudiments

00:19:27of the language

00:19:28no but even if

00:19:29there is my mother-in-law

00:19:29but

00:19:30the important thing

00:19:31is not to be

00:19:31intrusive

00:19:32when a person

00:19:33it's invasive

00:19:35it was starting to weigh

00:19:36a bit

00:19:37I saw her

00:19:38very intrusive

00:19:39and in fact

00:19:40let's say

00:19:41as far as I know

00:19:42when birth

00:19:43from the little girl

00:19:43which should have

00:19:44represent

00:19:45only great joy

00:19:47for you

00:19:48it seems

00:19:48it doesn't help

00:19:49to your relationship

00:19:50as a couple

00:19:51At that time

00:19:51for the problems

00:19:52we couldn't solve them

00:19:54Alone

00:19:55That

00:19:56my mother-in-law

00:19:57I was telling her

00:19:59I put them on my head

00:19:59certain things

00:20:00so maybe

00:20:01there then

00:20:01he says he took it

00:20:02with me

00:20:03and look

00:20:04that things

00:20:04they can be solved

00:20:05his mother-in-law

00:20:06and her sisters-in-law

00:20:07then they testified

00:20:08that first of all

00:20:10that you were arguing

00:20:11violently

00:20:11No

00:20:12this absolutely

00:20:14No

00:20:14what were the reasons

00:20:15what you were fighting about

00:20:17but

00:20:17of flavors

00:20:18Always

00:20:19tied up

00:20:20to my mother-in-law

00:20:20when we have clothes

00:20:21that is

00:20:22it always happens

00:20:23when it comes

00:20:23your mother

00:20:24and he told her

00:20:26cherubs

00:20:27we come to a point

00:20:28which is a key point

00:20:29of the story

00:20:30because then

00:20:30will constitute

00:20:32one of the possible

00:20:34motives

00:20:36of the tragedy

00:20:37a motive

00:20:37which was attributed to it

00:20:38it seems that

00:20:39in the last period

00:20:40there was actually

00:20:41a crisis between you

00:20:42so deep

00:20:43that his wife

00:20:44he even wanted

00:20:45divorce

00:20:46from her

00:20:47how does he know them

00:20:47to testify to it

00:20:48the process

00:20:49was

00:20:49first of all

00:20:49the sister

00:20:50by Maria Pina

00:20:51I'm Sister-in-law

00:20:52he declared

00:20:53That

00:20:54to affirm

00:20:55Maria Pina

00:20:55from taking

00:20:56a decision

00:20:58for this one

00:20:59hypothetical

00:21:00separation

00:21:01it was first of all

00:21:03the factor

00:21:04pride

00:21:04Maria Pina

00:21:06in fact he held

00:21:06Very

00:21:07to which the relationships

00:21:08among you

00:21:08were to result

00:21:10optimal

00:21:11they appeared optimal

00:21:12above all

00:21:13to defend

00:21:14that normality

00:21:15for which

00:21:16she had

00:21:17fought so hard

00:21:17for which

00:21:18she had fought so hard

00:21:19but then

00:21:21to induce

00:21:21his wife

00:21:22to procrastinate

00:21:23it would have been

00:21:24even fear

00:21:25that separating

00:21:25from her

00:21:26the little girl

00:21:27it would have been

00:21:28entrusted

00:21:29to her

00:21:30what rubies

00:21:31to dad

00:21:31is that so?

00:21:33No

00:21:33It is not true

00:21:35we even

00:21:41we were

00:21:42in negotiations

00:21:42to buy

00:21:43an apartment

00:21:44bigger

00:21:45even where

00:21:46we lived

00:21:48me and Maria Pina

00:21:52Now

00:21:53if we

00:21:54if Maria Pina

00:21:56he wanted to divorce

00:21:58if two

00:21:59they don't go

00:21:59agree

00:22:00what are they going for?

00:22:00in comparison

00:22:01At home

00:22:03if I

00:22:04I wasn't going

00:22:04agree

00:22:05I told her

00:22:06Maria Pina

00:22:07you go

00:22:07for the other road

00:22:08I go

00:22:08on my way

00:22:09Anyway

00:22:10in this

00:22:11dark

00:22:12dramatic

00:22:13story

00:22:13it's spring

00:22:14of 2002

00:22:15that marks

00:22:16a significant one

00:22:17watershed

00:22:18because it was

00:22:18at the start

00:22:19of that April

00:22:20of April

00:22:21of 2002

00:22:21what will happen

00:22:22of the episodes

00:22:23strange

00:22:24what rubies

00:22:25episodes

00:22:26a little disturbing

00:22:27which then

00:22:27wrongly

00:22:28rightly so

00:22:28they have been connected

00:22:29to the murder

00:22:30by Maria Pina

00:22:30I'll summarize

00:22:32what is it about

00:22:33about

00:22:35four months

00:22:36before the murder

00:22:37on the cell phone

00:22:38of his wife

00:22:38they arrive

00:22:39strange

00:22:40text message

00:22:41in essence

00:22:42to Maria Pina

00:22:43what rubies

00:22:44he always came

00:22:45reported

00:22:46his

00:22:46his position

00:22:47where she was

00:22:48at that moment

00:22:49these messages

00:22:50miserable

00:22:51anxious

00:22:52Maria Pina

00:22:53they disturbed her

00:22:54deeply

00:22:55they disturbed her

00:22:56because she

00:22:56he perceived them

00:22:57as

00:22:57some warnings

00:22:59dark

00:22:59as signals

00:23:00highly

00:23:01threatening

00:23:02his wife

00:23:02first of all

00:23:03he spoke to her

00:23:03of these messages

00:23:04he tells me

00:23:05which he had received

00:23:05these messages

00:23:06etc.

00:23:07I knowing

00:23:09how jealous she was

00:23:11I was saying

00:23:12Look

00:23:12you more

00:23:13of the

00:23:14weighs

00:23:15these things

00:23:15they make you

00:23:16worse

00:23:16let it go

00:23:19don't give

00:23:20weight

00:23:20Why

00:23:21if they reported

00:23:22my position

00:23:26and then

00:23:27that

00:23:27knows

00:23:27some woman

00:23:28what he wants

00:23:29Do

00:23:29the one who jokes

00:23:30or to keep it

00:23:32on thorns

00:23:33Like this

00:23:33but

00:23:34she told me

00:23:35Maria Pina

00:23:35he told me

00:23:36Yes

00:23:37Maria Pina

00:23:37he told her

00:23:37but he didn't tell him

00:23:38right away

00:23:39and this

00:23:39it should be clarified

00:23:40Why

00:23:41Maria Pina

00:23:41before saying it

00:23:42to her

00:23:42he told

00:23:44these episodes

00:23:45that occurred

00:23:46to a colleague

00:23:47ex officio

00:23:48and he told her about it

00:23:49very scared

00:23:51Now

00:23:51this colleague

00:23:52so what did he do

00:23:53he said

00:23:54give me the number

00:23:55and typed

00:23:57from his cell phone

00:23:58the number

00:23:59of this

00:23:59of this person

00:24:00this person

00:24:02he heard

00:24:03and closed

00:24:05and she

00:24:06he had proof of it

00:24:07because it had decreased

00:24:08the credit

00:24:09At that time

00:24:10what does he do

00:24:10this colleague

00:24:11by Maria Pina

00:24:12recall

00:24:13this cell phone

00:24:15and the cell phone

00:24:16it turns out

00:24:16worn out

00:24:17and this thing

00:24:18it disturbs a lot

00:24:19Maria Pina

00:24:19then Maria Pina

00:24:20the distance

00:24:21he tells her

00:24:22and she

00:24:22he downplays it for him

00:24:23but Maria Pina

00:24:25she remains very upset

00:24:26not only

00:24:27but it is transcribed

00:24:28this number

00:24:29really

00:24:30in a folder

00:24:31of work

00:24:31pink folder

00:24:33that Maria Pina

00:24:33then he kept

00:24:34what rubies

00:24:35but he had sent it to him

00:24:36she

00:24:36those messages

00:24:37to Maria Pina

00:24:37No

00:24:38she is sure

00:24:39of this?

00:24:40well

00:24:40Certain

00:24:42the fact is that

00:24:43after the tragedy

00:24:44from the investigation

00:24:45on the tables

00:24:46the result

00:24:47is that these text messages

00:24:48to his wife

00:24:48he had sent it to him

00:24:49her exactly

00:24:50from a cell phone

00:24:51in his possession

00:24:52in which she

00:24:54had inserted

00:24:54a SIM card

00:24:56registered in his name

00:24:58Cherubim

00:24:58a SIM card

00:24:59that she had won

00:25:00in the context

00:25:01of a campaign

00:25:02promotional

00:25:03Here you are

00:25:03how is it explained?

00:25:03This

00:25:04of cards

00:25:06and yes

00:25:07I had won it

00:25:07then many

00:25:09and I had given it

00:25:10to her too

00:25:11I took advantage of them

00:25:12I used up the credit

00:25:13and then they threw them away

00:25:14but why

00:25:15continue to be

00:25:16have been attributed

00:25:17to her

00:25:17these messages

00:25:18have been attributed

00:25:20to her

00:25:20why the headquarters

00:25:21they are interested in me

00:25:22and then

00:25:23he had sent it to him

00:25:23her

00:25:24No

00:25:24I didn't send him

00:25:25messages

00:25:26Anyway

00:25:26whatever the truth is

00:25:28these text messages

00:25:29have been considered

00:25:30strongly elements

00:25:31beginners

00:25:32towards him

00:25:33because according to

00:25:34the accusation

00:25:35she would have them

00:25:37sent to Maria Pina

00:25:38for the purpose

00:25:39to prefigure

00:25:40the existence

00:25:41of someone

00:25:42that he hated

00:25:43Maria Pina

00:25:44and that he would have it

00:25:45then killed

00:25:46as

00:25:46it's a crime

00:25:47from her

00:25:48long-planned

00:25:49but if I want

00:25:50to threaten a person

00:25:53you send messages

00:25:54with my cell phone

00:25:58I don't think so

00:25:59make them go back up

00:26:02if I want to send

00:26:04a message

00:26:04anonymous

00:26:07I send the message

00:26:08without doing

00:26:09the number appears

00:26:10the number appeared

00:26:11the number

00:26:12it wasn't classified

00:26:13precisely

00:26:14I confirm that it was not classified

00:26:16but there is one thing to say

00:26:17that when you premeditate

00:26:19a crime

00:26:20it's not that you think

00:26:22provided that then

00:26:22you may be discovered

00:26:44that crime

00:26:46the crime of Maria Pina

00:26:47It happens on July 23rd

00:26:49of 2002

00:26:49Maria Pina

00:26:51she is killed

00:26:53in the early hours

00:26:54in the morning

00:26:54in the cellar

00:26:55of yours

00:26:56dwelling

00:26:57two shots to the head

00:26:59inflicted

00:27:00with extreme violence

00:27:01in quick succession

00:27:02it breaks them in the skull

00:27:04probable instrument

00:27:06of the massacre

00:27:07a mallet

00:27:08or a hammer

00:27:09Maria Pina

00:27:11she is attacked

00:27:12with extreme violence

00:27:14right with

00:27:15ferocious extreme

00:27:15and in a few minutes

00:27:17ceases to live

00:27:19Cherubim

00:27:20she was convicted

00:27:21to Hercastle

00:27:22on charges of being

00:27:23she is responsible

00:27:24of the murder

00:27:25of his wife

00:27:26an accusation precisely

00:27:27which to this day

00:27:28she desperately

00:27:30refuse

00:27:30now let's look

00:27:31to understand together

00:27:33because first of all

00:27:34she was deemed

00:27:35guilty

00:27:36of this murder

00:27:38let's start by saying

00:27:38Cherubim

00:27:39that his innocence

00:27:40and his guilt

00:27:41they flow on the ridge

00:27:43subtle

00:27:44labile

00:27:46relative

00:27:47at the time

00:27:48of his movements

00:27:50over time

00:27:51in which the crime

00:27:53it was committed

00:27:54Here you are

00:27:56to facilitate it

00:27:56understanding

00:27:58I'll rebuild them myself

00:27:59Cherubim

00:27:59his movements

00:28:00on the basis

00:28:01of the timetables

00:28:02also defined

00:28:03in judgment

00:28:05she Cherubini

00:28:06that 23rd morning

00:28:07he leaves the house

00:28:08shortly before

00:28:097.30am

00:28:13to confirm it

00:28:14beyond what

00:28:15her exactly

00:28:16then he pointed out

00:28:17I am also

00:28:18your neighbors

00:28:19at home

00:28:19who support

00:28:20of having heard

00:28:21she and her wife

00:28:23before that time

00:28:25discuss

00:28:26animatedly

00:28:27we have some

00:28:28pulled in the morning

00:28:29in the morning

00:28:31Soon

00:28:32I got up

00:28:34Soon

00:28:34and I'm done

00:28:35Of

00:28:36to give

00:28:37a coat of paint

00:28:38at the windows

00:28:39but we don't have

00:28:41discussed

00:28:41then I went down

00:28:43I put it in order

00:28:44the paints

00:28:44and I left

00:28:45to work

00:28:46then at 7.30

00:28:47she Cherubini

00:28:48he's going to have breakfast

00:28:50at the Mura bar

00:28:52of Mannironi Street

00:28:54Here you are

00:28:56Here you are

00:28:56she gets noticed

00:28:57first of all

00:28:58why did he say

00:28:58of all

00:28:58she in general

00:28:59he didn't attend

00:29:00that bar

00:29:00he wasn't going to do it

00:29:01breakfast at that bar

00:29:02but also because

00:29:03to confirm it

00:29:04there were two

00:29:04his acquaintances

00:29:06who entertained themselves

00:29:07to chat with her

00:29:09are you answering?

00:29:09Yes

00:29:11I didn't go to that bar

00:29:12I went to a bar

00:29:13that on Tuesday

00:29:15it's closed for the shift

00:29:16in a bar

00:29:16I passed by there

00:29:17and I went to that bar

00:29:18point

00:29:19between 6.50am

00:29:20and 8 o'clock

00:29:21she Cherubini

00:29:22Certainly

00:29:23he is at work

00:29:25in the company

00:29:26of Prato Sardo

00:29:27the Messer company

00:29:28where she

00:29:29he worked

00:29:30to testify to it

00:29:31a colleague of his

00:29:31Francesco Verde

00:29:33with which she

00:29:33he entertains himself

00:29:35at that time

00:29:36at 8.25

00:29:378.30

00:29:38arrives at the company

00:29:39Mr. Giovanni Piga

00:29:41who is the owner

00:29:42of the company

00:29:44Mr. Piga

00:29:46find the gate

00:29:47open

00:29:48but she doesn't see her

00:29:49Cherubim

00:29:49he doesn't see her in the square

00:29:51where usually

00:29:51she was stopping

00:29:53because she wasn't there

00:29:54Cherubim

00:29:54where was that time

00:29:56where he was between 8.25

00:29:58and 8.30

00:29:59because that one

00:30:00it's an X hour

00:30:00it's a dangerous hour

00:30:01it's the time when

00:30:02the crime occurred

00:30:04and on one side

00:30:05of the square

00:30:07there was one

00:30:08Old Y10

00:30:10and I was dismantling

00:30:12some pieces

00:30:12so much so that he

00:30:13he didn't see me

00:30:14I saw

00:30:15the Piga

00:30:15that has arrived

00:30:16he didn't arrive

00:30:18with his car

00:30:19but he had accompanied him

00:30:20the girl

00:30:21that there was

00:30:22a running work

00:30:23so

00:30:23if I

00:30:24I wasn't there

00:30:25at the warehouse

00:30:26at that time

00:30:27how do I know

00:30:29what a Piga

00:30:29it has arrived

00:30:30with a running work

00:30:31accompanied

00:30:31the girl

00:30:32and I though

00:30:34I looked

00:30:35I saw

00:30:35that was him

00:30:35and I have

00:30:36congiato

00:30:36my work

00:30:37she took it apart

00:30:38these pieces

00:30:39of the girl

00:30:39it must be said

00:30:40that these pieces

00:30:41then they were

00:30:41found by his sister

00:30:43Therefore

00:30:43this needs to be clarified

00:30:44Anyway

00:30:45the testimony

00:30:46it was this

00:30:47two-point

00:30:48Cherubim

00:30:49it wasn't there at that time

00:30:50he was out

00:30:51at 9.15

00:30:529.30

00:30:53she Cherubini

00:30:54it is certainly

00:30:55in Nuoro

00:30:56in a shop

00:30:57of materials

00:30:57plumbers

00:30:58where moreover

00:30:59she

00:30:59it stops

00:31:01quite a bit

00:31:02as far as I know

00:31:04she Cherubini

00:31:05in that shop

00:31:06he went there

00:31:06to protest

00:31:07for the malfunction

00:31:08of a control unit

00:31:09of irrigation

00:31:10is that so?

00:31:10unprotested

00:31:12since I bought it

00:31:13but it wasn't working well for me

00:31:16I went

00:31:17to the title

00:31:17and I told him

00:31:18Look

00:31:18just like it doesn't suit me

00:31:19going

00:31:19working

00:31:20and then

00:31:21he had told me

00:31:22how to do it

00:31:23according to the judges

00:31:25that she knows

00:31:26I'm always a little

00:31:26ill-thinking people

00:31:27the stop

00:31:28in that shop

00:31:29Cherubim

00:31:29it would have been

00:31:30on his part

00:31:31a pretext

00:31:32to earn

00:31:34useful testimonials

00:31:35to be packaged

00:31:37an alibi

00:31:38for that time

00:31:39which was a time

00:31:39dangerous

00:31:40at 10

00:31:41Cherubim

00:31:41she is certainly

00:31:43again

00:31:43announced there

00:31:44in Prato Sardo

00:31:45because they see it

00:31:46that loads

00:31:46the cylinders

00:31:47of the gas

00:31:48on the vehicle

00:31:50ready then

00:31:51to deliver

00:31:52these cylinders

00:31:53of gas

00:31:53I think it helps him

00:31:54really

00:31:55the father

00:31:56of the owner

00:31:58this in broad outline

00:32:00the reconstruction

00:32:01of his movements

00:32:02over time

00:32:03in which

00:32:03it happened

00:32:04the crime

00:32:05of his wife

00:32:07Here you are

00:32:07while as far as

00:32:08it's about her

00:32:09Cherubim

00:32:10all this happened

00:32:11but

00:32:12the Sedda family

00:32:14that is, the family

00:32:14by Maria Pina

00:32:15he went into fibrillation

00:32:16he became anxious

00:32:17because it had gone off

00:32:18the Maria Pina alarm

00:32:20by Maria Pina

00:32:21essentially

00:32:21there was no news

00:32:24Maria Pina

00:32:25he was a person

00:32:25very punctual

00:32:26at work

00:32:26the family members

00:32:28by Maria Pina

00:32:28they had been warned

00:32:29that Maria Pina

00:32:29she hadn't shown up

00:32:30at work

00:32:31Maria Pina

00:32:31he took up service

00:32:32at 8.30

00:32:33she confirms it to me

00:32:35that morning too

00:32:36the mother

00:32:37and the sisters

00:32:37by Maria Pina

00:32:38they had had

00:32:39a frantic

00:32:40exchange of messages

00:32:41moreover

00:32:42after the office

00:32:43his wife

00:32:43it should have gone

00:32:44in Gavoi

00:32:45because your little girl

00:32:47he was in Gavoi

00:32:49guest

00:32:49precisely

00:32:50of the grandparents

00:32:50at 7.58

00:32:52it's time

00:32:53of the last

00:32:54text message

00:32:55that the mother

00:32:56and the sisters

00:32:57they receive

00:32:57by Maria Pina

00:32:58after which

00:32:59they were no longer

00:33:00successful

00:33:00to put yourself

00:33:01in contact

00:33:02with Maria Pina

00:33:02with that system

00:33:03of calls

00:33:05and answers

00:33:06that they had

00:33:06with cell phone

00:33:07she

00:33:07Cherubim

00:33:08that morning

00:33:09has the opportunity

00:33:09to communicate

00:33:10with his wife

00:33:12in the morning

00:33:14if I'm not mistaken

00:33:15he gave me the message

00:33:16when I was going

00:33:17to carry the bombs

00:33:18it seems to me

00:33:18that are going to comere

00:33:20she this message

00:33:21he sent it to him

00:33:21at 8.58

00:33:23I don't remember now

00:33:258.58

00:33:26here is Maria Pina

00:33:27he answered her

00:33:28I hadn't received

00:33:30No

00:33:31the day

00:33:32but

00:33:33I didn't

00:33:35worried about nothing

00:33:36why did it happen

00:33:36other times

00:33:37in essence

00:33:38Cherubim

00:33:39that morning

00:33:39by Maria Pina

00:33:40they were just there

00:33:41lost track

00:33:41and Maria Pina

00:33:42it seemed to have disappeared

00:33:43into nothingness

00:33:44now let's see together

00:33:45some fundamentals

00:33:47testimonies

00:33:48relative

00:33:48in the last moments

00:33:49in which

00:33:50Maria Pina

00:33:50it was seen

00:33:51in life

00:33:52around 7.50

00:33:53a neighbor

00:33:55sees Maria Pina

00:33:56from the window opposite

00:33:58sees Maria Pina

00:33:59with the towel on his head

00:34:00who was putting on makeup

00:34:01and so I am

00:34:027.50am

00:34:03the two ladies

00:34:05really

00:34:05they exchange

00:34:06even at a nod of greeting

00:34:07Therefore

00:34:08around 8

00:34:09Maria Pina

00:34:10still alive

00:34:11we remember her

00:34:13Cherubim

00:34:13which came out

00:34:14around 7.30am

00:34:15but there's more

00:34:16Here you are

00:34:16around 8.20am

00:34:17The female neighbour

00:34:19yours

00:34:20a neighbor of yours

00:34:21feels lowering

00:34:23the shutter

00:34:23of your apartment

00:34:26a certain fury

00:34:28with a certain violence

00:34:29and in a manner

00:34:30equally impetuous

00:34:31big banger

00:34:33let's say

00:34:33The female neighbour

00:34:34hears Maria Pina

00:34:35that slams the door

00:34:37it's 8.20am

00:34:39Here you are

00:34:40with that slammed door

00:34:42and that shutter lowered

00:34:44it seems to close

00:34:45the curtain

00:34:46on the existence of Maria Pina

00:34:48from that moment on

00:34:49it's dark

00:34:50it's silent

00:34:52Cherubim

00:34:53that morning

00:34:54after that text message

00:34:55unanswered

00:34:56that she sent

00:34:57to his wife

00:34:58at 8.58

00:34:59she Cherubini

00:35:01he didn't call her anymore

00:35:02Here you are

00:35:02as he explained

00:35:03that day

00:35:04on the contrary

00:35:05as usual

00:35:06it happened

00:35:06she didn't call her

00:35:08his wife

00:35:10he didn't call her

00:35:12for the simple

00:35:13the fact that

00:35:14he sent

00:35:15the first message

00:35:16not receiving

00:35:17answer

00:35:18evidently

00:35:19he hasn't read it yet

00:35:21so

00:35:22it's useless for me

00:35:23can send

00:35:23another message

00:35:25two messages

00:35:25so much her

00:35:26if he hasn't read

00:35:27the first

00:35:27if he wouldn't have answered me

00:35:29Enough

00:35:30I can say

00:35:31which is not convincing

00:35:32this answer of his

00:35:33Meaning what

00:35:33sincerely

00:35:34if I don't have

00:35:35let's say

00:35:36I have no answer

00:35:37I insist

00:35:38yes but

00:35:39Cherubini anyway

00:35:40she knows that

00:35:40in the belief

00:35:41of the prosecution

00:35:42instead the fact

00:35:42that she didn't call

00:35:44it was deemed

00:35:44an element of suspicion

00:35:46Why

00:35:47Always

00:35:48in the belief

00:35:49of the prosecution

00:35:50that SMS too

00:35:518.58am

00:35:52she would have sent it

00:35:53to Maria Pina

00:35:55which moreover

00:35:56at that time

00:35:56she was already dead

00:35:57to create an alibi

00:35:59but Cherubini

00:36:00his mother-in-law

00:36:01and her sisters-in-law

00:36:02they call her

00:36:03they also participate in her

00:36:04the reasons for their anxiety

00:36:06In short

00:36:06they put pressure on her

00:36:07In short

00:36:08they called me

00:36:15from the morning

00:36:16now exactly

00:36:18I do not know

00:36:18pre-morning

00:36:20they didn't look for me

00:36:21they supported

00:36:22the opposite

00:36:23because the mother

00:36:24and the sisters

00:36:25by Maria Pina

00:36:25they supported

00:36:27of having called her

00:36:28and even

00:36:29to have them

00:36:30peremptorily

00:36:31asked

00:36:32to go

00:36:32to search

00:36:33his wife

00:36:34to go and see

00:36:34At home

00:36:36why they hadn't gone

00:36:37in the office

00:36:37I didn't give it any weight

00:36:38to what they told me

00:36:39because there isn't

00:36:41a dialogue

00:36:43but in that case

00:36:44there was an emergency

00:36:45it wasn't a problem

00:36:45to dialogue

00:36:46but they

00:36:47the emergency

00:36:48it was always

00:36:49an emergency

00:36:50if I wasn't there

00:36:50he had a cold

00:36:51for them

00:36:52there was pneumonia

00:36:53since

00:36:54I know

00:36:55as

00:36:55so

00:36:56to what they told me

00:36:58he didn't go to the office

00:36:59he left

00:36:59the one that

00:37:00Meaning what

00:37:02Nobody

00:37:02do you ever think

00:37:03to a tragedy

00:37:05Unfortunately

00:37:05Anyway

00:37:06Speaking of which

00:37:07to check

00:37:10What

00:37:11could be

00:37:11happened

00:37:12to Maria Pina

00:37:12as it turns out

00:37:13it's just around

00:37:14at 3pm

00:37:14that she

00:37:15Cherubim

00:37:15he's returning home

00:37:17return home

00:37:17Here you are

00:37:18when he comes home

00:37:19at home

00:37:20what strikes her

00:37:21Cherubim

00:37:21when he enters the house

00:37:24I see

00:37:25Nothing

00:37:26everything seems in order

00:37:29And

00:37:30then I see

00:37:32cigarettes

00:37:33And

00:37:34the bag

00:37:35where they were

00:37:37where they were placed

00:37:38so

00:37:38the bag

00:37:39he was on a sofa

00:37:40and cigarettes

00:37:41if they were not mistaken

00:37:42in the kitchen

00:37:43but also the cell phone

00:37:45which is the thing

00:37:45almost important

00:37:47inside the bag

00:37:49Here you are

00:37:49but when

00:37:50she sees that Maria Pina

00:37:52he's not at home

00:37:52but on the sofa

00:37:53there is her bag

00:37:54what's going through your mind?

00:37:56for a moment

00:37:57that I thought

00:37:57Perhaps

00:37:58if you are here

00:37:59or from some neighbor

00:38:01or from

00:38:02then I thought

00:38:03Perhaps

00:38:03that it didn't go

00:38:04from aunt

00:38:05who lived

00:38:06in the other

00:38:07with a side aim

00:38:08he said

00:38:09I don't know

00:38:09it seems strange to me

00:38:12And

00:38:14then I don't know

00:38:15at that moment

00:38:16he had called me

00:38:17the sister

00:38:17again

00:38:19and then I went downstairs

00:38:21in the garage

00:38:22Here you are

00:38:23she

00:38:24let's stop here

00:38:24she went downstairs

00:38:25in the garage

00:38:26in the cellar

00:38:27Here you are

00:38:28why did he go down to the garage?

00:38:29No

00:38:29to see if there is the car

00:38:31I'm going down to the garage

00:38:33opens the door

00:38:34overlooking the garage

00:38:35I see the car

00:38:36I said

00:38:37the car is here

00:38:38I did where it is

00:38:39how he opened the door

00:38:42from

00:38:43of the garage

00:38:44of the garage

00:38:46And

00:38:47almost opposite

00:38:48there is the cellar door

00:38:51under

00:38:51in beam

00:38:52the light on

00:38:54like the light turned on

00:38:55in gel

00:38:55we always turn it off

00:38:57how he opened the door

00:38:58of the cellar

00:38:58it's not just lying down

00:39:00on the ground

00:39:00Therefore

00:39:02she

00:39:02at that moment

00:39:04opens the door

00:39:05on horror

00:39:09Chirubini

00:39:10when she

00:39:11in that little space

00:39:13cellar

00:39:13sees the body

00:39:15by Maria Pina

00:39:16finds

00:39:16find Maria Pina

00:39:18when he sees her

00:39:18bucconi

00:39:19Like this

00:39:19crashed to the ground

00:39:21she

00:39:21first of all what does it do

00:39:22and what does he think?

00:39:23what he thinks

00:39:24it could have happened

00:39:26how did it open

00:39:26he is on the ground

00:39:28this is the blood

00:39:32he was towards the door

00:39:33the feet

00:39:33towards the door

00:39:34to a calf

00:39:37on one leg

00:39:38I did

00:39:39but I did

00:39:39pine

00:39:40as I touched so

00:39:41I saw that it was

00:39:42cold

00:39:43Therefore

00:39:44she immediately realized

00:39:45I realize that

00:39:46one can fall

00:39:47may feel bad

00:39:48can be

00:39:49everything like this

00:39:50I was cold

00:39:51so it becomes clear immediately

00:39:53I count

00:39:53That

00:39:54he was lifeless

00:39:55but what does he think?

00:39:57it could have happened

00:39:58at that moment

00:39:59Nothing

00:40:00it's not that I thought

00:40:01to a thousand things

00:40:01then there

00:40:02I called

00:40:04the sister

00:40:04and I said

00:40:05Look

00:40:06Pina is so-so

00:40:09And

00:40:11I don't know now

00:40:12if I called

00:40:13the police

00:40:13or the ambulance

00:40:15she called

00:40:16the 113

00:40:17Anyway

00:40:20Cherubim

00:40:20there is a question

00:40:21above all

00:40:22which imposes itself

00:40:23Here you are

00:40:23his wife

00:40:24he was a person

00:40:24precise

00:40:25punctual

00:40:26at 8:30

00:40:27he stamped his card

00:40:29own

00:40:29he was splitting the minute

00:40:31as he explains

00:40:32That

00:40:33Maria Pina

00:40:34that morning

00:40:34she went down to the cellar

00:40:36Meaning what

00:40:36Maria Pina

00:40:37it was always

00:40:38in

00:40:39in debt

00:40:40of time

00:40:41In short

00:40:42Therefore

00:40:42how does he explain it?

00:40:43that she went down to the cellar

00:40:46I do not know

00:40:47and I don't have

00:40:49the minimum

00:40:50idea

00:40:50according to the saying

00:40:52of people

00:40:53nearby

00:40:53to Maria Pina

00:40:54it wouldn't be

00:40:55never gone down

00:40:55in the cellar

00:40:56first of all

00:40:56never gone down

00:40:57alone

00:40:57Why

00:40:58he felt

00:40:59insecure

00:40:59rightly

00:41:00and then

00:41:01Why

00:41:01he was afraid

00:41:02of insects

00:41:03as he explains

00:41:03that Maria Pina

00:41:04she went down

00:41:06At that time

00:41:07in the cellar

00:41:08the insects

00:41:08there were none

00:41:09When

00:41:09I was traveling

00:41:10she was going to do

00:41:11the shopping

00:41:11that entered him

00:41:12he didn't bring anything

00:41:13all the stuff about

00:41:15from the car

00:41:16he took her to the cellar

00:41:16and then

00:41:17he took it

00:41:17the necessary

00:41:18Then

00:41:18the night before

00:41:22Yes

00:41:23we went

00:41:24to a shop

00:41:25and I bought

00:41:26a little dress

00:41:27it seems to me

00:41:27for the little girl

00:41:30And

00:41:31when we got back

00:41:33it was in the cellar

00:41:34so

00:41:35if she had to go

00:41:36this is

00:41:37to take

00:41:38a hypothesis

00:41:39I think

00:41:39a hypothesis

00:41:40a hypothesis

00:41:41but this

00:41:42dark assassin

00:41:43mysterious killer

00:41:45this person

00:41:46that hit her

00:41:47the massacred

00:41:48how did he know

00:41:49that Maria Pini

00:41:50at that moment

00:41:51would have gone down

00:41:52him

00:41:53this is

00:41:54the enigma

00:41:57I do not know

00:41:58this should be done

00:41:59ask for it

00:42:01to the real murderer

00:42:03one more point

00:42:04Cherubim

00:42:05before your

00:42:07apartment

00:42:07was placed

00:42:08under seizure

00:42:08what came

00:42:09almost immediately

00:42:10the united

00:42:11of the mobile squad

00:42:12they carried out

00:42:13a search

00:42:14as always happens

00:42:16In short

00:42:16when unfortunately

00:42:17they occur

00:42:18tragedies of this kind

00:42:19but there's something strange

00:42:21singular

00:42:22that strikes

00:42:23on the shelf

00:42:24of the kitchen

00:42:26there is cutlery

00:42:28a package

00:42:28of condoms

00:42:30Here you are

00:42:31and here

00:42:31the questions

00:42:33there are more than one

00:42:34condoms

00:42:35I am

00:42:35those little objects

00:42:37which usually

00:42:37they park themselves

00:42:38in the bedside tables

00:42:39of the bedrooms

00:42:40Here you are

00:42:41what they were doing to us

00:42:41condoms

00:42:42on the

00:42:43on the sink

00:42:44of the kitchen

00:42:45I don't know

00:42:46and I don't know

00:42:47I do not know

00:42:47but there was

00:42:48this package

00:42:50of condoms

00:42:51he didn't put them there

00:42:52she the condoms

00:42:53No

00:42:55Why

00:42:56I would have left them

00:42:57in the bedroom

00:42:59I wouldn't have left them

00:43:01in the kitchen

00:43:01Why

00:43:02she knows that

00:43:03the investigators

00:43:04they thought

00:43:05that she

00:43:05coming home

00:43:07had put

00:43:09these condoms

00:43:10on the sink

00:43:11of the kitchen

00:43:12for then

00:43:12muddy the waters

00:43:13In short

00:43:14to create

00:43:14precisely

00:43:15this

00:43:15a situation

00:43:16Anyway

00:43:16Of

00:43:16of confusion

00:43:18No

00:43:19they found

00:43:20these condoms

00:43:22and fingerprints

00:43:23they took them

00:43:23sincerely

00:43:24I don't know how to answer you

00:43:25here it is, in short

00:43:25I find them unprepared

00:43:27ninth

00:43:27it was enough to take them

00:43:32it was enough to take them

00:43:33to know who it belonged to

00:43:34Anyway

00:43:35Maria Pina

00:43:36from the autopsy

00:43:37the result

00:43:37which he assumed

00:43:38the pill

00:43:39In short

00:43:39Certain

00:43:39this in short

00:43:41to clarify

00:43:43certain elements

00:43:45of this story

00:43:46having said that

00:43:47but

00:43:48Maria Pina

00:43:48he was a person

00:43:49who had no enemies

00:43:50and then

00:43:51who could have

00:43:53kill Maria Pina

00:43:54At that time

00:43:54in front of

00:43:55to that end of his

00:43:56so terrible

00:43:57the investigators

00:43:58they grope

00:43:59in the dark

00:43:59In short

00:44:00and of course

00:44:02as often

00:44:02it happens in front

00:44:03to rights

00:44:04of this type

00:44:06to enter the mill

00:44:07of the investigators

00:44:08and first of all

00:44:08the husband

00:44:09In short

00:44:09Why

00:44:10especially when

00:44:11it is rumored

00:44:12of disagreements

00:44:12Here you are

00:44:13between spouses

00:44:14but also because

00:44:15it must be said

00:44:16Cherubim

00:44:17she too

00:44:17it's not that he enjoyed it

00:44:18of particular sympathies

00:44:19in the palace

00:44:20In short

00:44:20his neighbors

00:44:21and in particular

00:44:22the gentlemen

00:44:23that for a period

00:44:23they had lived

00:44:25in the apartment

00:44:26below

00:44:26his

00:44:27they spoke

00:44:28of her Cherubini

00:44:29as of a person

00:44:31bossy

00:44:31quarrelsome

00:44:32some time

00:44:32even violent

00:44:33Here you are

00:44:34these roommates

00:44:35they even have it

00:44:36sued

00:44:37at the trial

00:44:37they supported

00:44:38to have even

00:44:39changed house

00:44:40to avoid

00:44:41to enter

00:44:42in conflict

00:44:42with her

00:44:44what does he say?

00:44:45In short

00:44:45these condominiums

00:44:46they drew

00:44:47her

00:44:47a portrait

00:44:48not very beautiful

00:44:50verbally

00:44:50we had

00:44:51always active

00:44:52I have my own character

00:44:53like each of us

00:44:54there is a character

00:44:54a bit of a temper

00:44:55he has it

00:44:56can be

00:44:56towards

00:44:58of another

00:44:58I do not know

00:44:59I don't judge myself

00:45:01others judge me

00:45:02and they didn't judge her

00:45:03Very well

00:45:04but

00:45:04at a distance of

00:45:06almost a year

00:45:07it does not emerge

00:45:08no

00:45:08from the investigation

00:45:09no elements

00:45:10on which to rest

00:45:11to give a face

00:45:12to the murderer

00:45:13by Maria Pia

00:45:14but for the Sedda family

00:45:17that murderer

00:45:18a face

00:45:19he has it

00:45:19it's his

00:45:21Gianfranco Cherubini

00:45:23I decided

00:45:24not to give up

00:45:25restless

00:45:26because in their opinion

00:45:26the investigations

00:45:27they seemed to run aground

00:45:29in one for them

00:45:30unbearable

00:45:31stagnation

00:45:32the Seddas

00:45:33they decide to undertake

00:45:35one of their actions

00:45:36investigative

00:45:37In short

00:45:38autonomous

00:45:39secret agent

00:45:40Aunt Piera

00:45:41Here you are

00:45:42Aunt Piera

00:45:42she is Maria Pina's aunt

00:45:44who was a tenant

00:45:45she too

00:45:46of the condominium

00:45:48of Via Friume

00:45:49where she

00:45:49and Maria Pina

00:45:50you lived

00:45:50what does he do

00:45:52Aunt Piera?

00:45:52with an indifferent air

00:45:54Here you are

00:45:55Aunt Detective

00:45:56start doing

00:45:57gossip

00:45:58on the landing

00:45:59and between a chat

00:46:00and the other

00:46:01with rotten breath

00:46:02it turns out that yes

00:46:03someone maybe

00:46:05he had heard

00:46:06someone maybe

00:46:07he had seen

00:46:08someone maybe

00:46:09he knew

00:46:09this someone

00:46:11it was the lady

00:46:12Moledda

00:46:14the lady

00:46:14who was in charge

00:46:15of cleaning

00:46:16of the palace

00:46:17to which

00:46:18Aunt Piera

00:46:19press and squeeze

00:46:20apologies

00:46:22some admissions

00:46:24enter the field

00:46:25At that time

00:46:25Maria Angela

00:46:26the sister

00:46:27by Maria Pina

00:46:28with in your pocket

00:46:30a tape recorder

00:46:31well hidden

00:46:31Maria Angela

00:46:32he slings

00:46:33from this lady

00:46:34of cleaning

00:46:34and the lady

00:46:36troubled

00:46:37reticent

00:46:38in a word

00:46:38and I don't say

00:46:39he tells a story

00:46:41to say the least

00:46:42alarming

00:46:44tells

00:46:44that between 9.20

00:46:46and 9.30

00:46:47of that July 23rd morning

00:46:49while she

00:46:51the daughter

00:46:51at 15 years old

00:46:52they entered

00:46:52in the condominium

00:46:53of Via Fiume

00:46:54from the entrance

00:46:55of the garage

00:46:55they had been

00:46:57dangerously

00:46:58grazed

00:46:59on the ramp

00:46:59access

00:47:00from a car

00:47:01white

00:47:02That

00:47:04he was going out

00:47:05at full speed

00:47:06on board

00:47:08two men

00:47:09behind the wheel

00:47:10she was there

00:47:11Cherubim

00:47:11which supports

00:47:13the woman

00:47:14he would have them

00:47:15also addressed

00:47:16a dirty look

00:47:17spiteful

00:47:17a dirty look

00:47:18annoyed

00:47:19at his side

00:47:20another man

00:47:22long hair

00:47:23and a shadow

00:47:24of beard

00:47:25a man

00:47:26that the daughter

00:47:27little girl

00:47:27at first

00:47:29he will say that she was a woman

00:47:31because that day

00:47:32she had with her

00:47:33the daughter

00:47:35little girl

00:47:36Therefore

00:47:36based on testimony

00:47:38of these two women

00:47:39Meaning what

00:47:40the lady

00:47:41love and daughter

00:47:42she Cherubini

00:47:43that had come out

00:47:45at home

00:47:45around 7.30am

00:47:47between 9.20am

00:47:49and 9.30

00:47:50of that morning

00:47:51would be

00:47:52inexplicably

00:47:53returned home

00:47:54because it was

00:47:55returned home

00:47:56Cherubim?

00:47:58since it's me

00:47:59according to the saying

00:48:00of the prosecution

00:48:01the murderer

00:48:04I

00:48:05I would have gone out

00:48:05around 7.30

00:48:08Then

00:48:10to return

00:48:11at 8.30

00:48:13Meaning what

00:48:14attract

00:48:16with the cell phone

00:48:17make a phone call

00:48:19a message

00:48:20to my wife

00:48:20bring it down

00:48:23kill

00:48:24my wife

00:48:24and then wait

00:48:26from 8.30am

00:48:28at 9.20am

00:48:29wait

00:48:29that they arrive

00:48:30those of the police

00:48:31to make me see

00:48:34and this one

00:48:36if I'm not mistaken

00:48:39Meaning what

00:48:39so

00:48:40I'm staying

00:48:40an hour and a month

00:48:41down in the cellar

00:48:42after

00:48:43here we are

00:48:43from 8.30am

00:48:44at 9.30

00:48:45there is an hour and a month

00:48:47Right

00:48:47waiting

00:48:48rather than

00:48:49give me legs

00:48:51and she would have gone out

00:48:52at 9.30

00:48:54at full speed

00:48:56at full speed

00:48:57by car

00:48:58let's say

00:48:59and would have touched

00:49:00Mrs. Molè

00:49:01of the daughter

00:49:02from the garage

00:49:03where do you get out?

00:49:07it's impossible

00:49:09go

00:49:09at full speed

00:49:12Why

00:49:12if you go

00:49:13at full speed

00:49:14you enter

00:49:14in a school

00:49:15maternal

00:49:17so

00:49:18it's absolutely impossible

00:49:19the directions

00:49:20of the lady

00:49:21Mole

00:49:21of the daughter

00:49:22they don't stop

00:49:23here

00:49:23Why

00:49:24the two women

00:49:25Indeed

00:49:26they told

00:49:27That

00:49:27after having resumed

00:49:28the tools

00:49:29essential

00:49:30to do the cleaning

00:49:31that is, broom

00:49:32bucket

00:49:32broom

00:49:33and what you need

00:49:34they had gone up

00:49:35mother and daughter

00:49:36on the top floor

00:49:37in order to proceed

00:49:39for cleaning

00:49:40from above

00:49:41downwards

00:49:42while they were

00:49:43washing the floor

00:49:44they had arrived

00:49:46on his floor

00:49:47she lived

00:49:47on the first floor

00:49:48True?

00:49:48while they were

00:49:49washing the floor

00:49:51in front of yours

00:49:52dwelling

00:49:52they had had

00:49:54the feeling

00:49:55that behind

00:49:55the door

00:49:56at home

00:49:57there was

00:49:58a person

00:49:59that panting

00:50:00he observed them

00:50:02from the peephole

00:50:03Here you are

00:50:04so much so that

00:50:04they had

00:50:05thought

00:50:06that could

00:50:07to treat oneself

00:50:07of his wife

00:50:08That

00:50:09he wanted to keep an eye on them

00:50:11to see

00:50:11if they did well

00:50:12the cleaning

00:50:13or less

00:50:13In short

00:50:14Here you are

00:50:15she was there to spy

00:50:16behind that door

00:50:17Cherubim?

00:50:19but if to me

00:50:20they saw me

00:50:21leave at 9.20

00:50:25with a woman

00:50:26or with a man

00:50:28let's say

00:50:28with an ibe

00:50:29from this point

00:50:33to dart out

00:50:34at 9.20am

00:50:359.30

00:50:36how do I do it?

00:50:37to stay behind

00:50:37the door?

00:50:38They

00:50:38they didn't say

00:50:39that was her

00:50:40they said

00:50:40that they had heard

00:50:41but

00:50:41it doesn't end here

00:50:42Cherubim

00:50:43the lady

00:50:43Moleda tells

00:50:44to have it then

00:50:47glimpse

00:50:48again

00:50:49along the stairs

00:50:50and that

00:50:52passing by her

00:50:54she had looked at her

00:50:55very well

00:50:56giving her the opportunity

00:50:58to note

00:50:58one thing

00:50:59that she

00:50:59Cherubim

00:51:00in the meantime

00:51:01had changed

00:51:02of dress

00:51:03he was wearing

00:51:04says the lady

00:51:05a shirt

00:51:06in Bordeaux

00:51:06and even

00:51:08the lady said

00:51:08That

00:51:10she

00:51:10he also had them

00:51:11launched

00:51:12a dirty look

00:51:13one more time

00:51:14at the same time

00:51:15Mrs. Moleda

00:51:16he had heard

00:51:17the door too

00:51:18of his house

00:51:18that was coming

00:51:19closed

00:51:20as if there were

00:51:21someone

00:51:22which had closed

00:51:22the door

00:51:23At that time

00:51:25let's try to

00:51:25to find our way

00:51:26Cherubim

00:51:26she was

00:51:27for the stairs

00:51:28with a shirt

00:51:29in Bordeaux

00:51:30who would have closed

00:51:31the door

00:51:31of his house?

00:51:32I would have gone out

00:51:33at 9.20am

00:51:349.30

00:51:35in the car

00:51:36then I would have entered

00:51:37in

00:51:37according to the prosecution

00:51:39to change me

00:51:41Right?

00:51:42Certain

00:51:43so I

00:51:44at 8.30

00:51:45I commit murder

00:51:46I'm staying

00:51:48an hour and a half

00:51:49I'm not going up

00:51:50to change me

00:51:50I'm waiting downstairs

00:51:51an hour and a half

00:51:53when they arrive

00:51:54I go out

00:51:55I show myself

00:51:56then I'm going

00:51:58I'm going out

00:51:59I go back up

00:52:00in the apartment

00:52:01I'm changing

00:52:03but the clothes

00:52:04I ate them

00:52:05I don't have them

00:52:06so as not to see each other

00:52:08because if not

00:52:08they have requisitioned

00:52:09to the apartment

00:52:10and they found me

00:52:11something

00:52:12Right?

00:52:12he might have taken her away

00:52:14yes but the question

00:52:15that I do to her

00:52:15someone else saw it

00:52:17with the burgundy shirt

00:52:18no one else

00:52:18anyway one last thing

00:52:20Cherubim

00:52:20Mrs. Molè

00:52:21and his daughter

00:52:21they told

00:52:22that at the end

00:52:23of cleaning work

00:52:25of the stairs

00:52:25naturally

00:52:26they had come back down

00:52:27in the garage

00:52:27to go away

00:52:29at this point

00:52:30the daughter

00:52:30little girl

00:52:31she was impressed

00:52:32from the fact

00:52:33that your garage

00:52:35it is conceived like this

00:52:35there is the garage

00:52:38and then there is a part

00:52:39of the garage

00:52:39which is due to the cellar

00:52:40the young daughter

00:52:42she was impressed

00:52:42from the fact

00:52:43that the door

00:52:43which introduced

00:52:44in the sector

00:52:46where are the cellars

00:52:48it was open

00:52:50which in general

00:52:50it didn't happen

00:52:51then you

00:52:52out of curiosity

00:52:53she had come closer

00:52:55at that door

00:52:55and he had heard

00:52:58come from

00:52:58on the side

00:52:59of the cellars

00:53:00a noise

00:53:02a sound

00:53:03like a human voice

00:53:04who was moaning

00:53:05that was wheezing

00:53:07the mother at that point

00:53:08he had it immediately

00:53:09recall

00:53:10he had called his daughter back

00:53:12in fear

00:53:13she said

00:53:13to be able to find each other

00:53:14mixed up

00:53:15in a matter

00:53:16that could have

00:53:16they provoke

00:53:17only troubles

00:53:18Here you are

00:53:20At that time

00:53:20let's try to understand

00:53:21Together

00:53:22what rubies

00:53:23so mother and daughter

00:53:24they claim

00:53:25That

00:53:25passed

00:53:2710 in the morning

00:53:28from the cellar

00:53:29so obviously

00:53:31from your cellar

00:53:33came from

00:53:34alarming

00:53:35the sound

00:53:36of a human voice

00:53:36who was moaning

00:53:37that was wheezing

00:53:38so around

00:53:39at 10

00:53:40its size

00:53:41it would have been

00:53:41still alive

00:53:43and maybe

00:53:44they could

00:53:45even help her

00:53:47At that time

00:53:47if I'm not mistaken

00:53:49the mole

00:53:50he said

00:53:51that when

00:53:52he saw

00:53:53the daughter

00:53:53facade

00:53:53in this little place

00:53:54which normally

00:53:56it was closed

00:53:57and it's not true

00:53:58because many times

00:53:58it was open

00:54:01he gave him

00:54:02a voice

00:54:03to his daughter

00:54:03they left

00:54:05everyone's worried

00:54:09in the evening

00:54:10from Rai 3

00:54:13they learn the news

00:54:14that there was

00:54:14a murder

00:54:15they heard each other

00:54:17a lament

00:54:18a rattle

00:54:19because my wife

00:54:20she's still alive

00:54:21we are around

00:54:22at 10

00:54:2210

00:54:23the autopsy

00:54:25if I'm not mistaken

00:54:26you said

00:54:26who is dead

00:54:27almost 60 years

00:54:28at 8:30

00:54:28he's not wrong

00:54:29at 8:30

00:54:30a dead man

00:54:31after an hour and a half

00:54:33can complain

00:54:37I don't think so

00:54:38and then

00:54:39how does he explain it?

00:54:39these complaints

00:54:40these moans

00:54:41these death rattles

00:54:42this is what is needed

00:54:43to renew it

00:54:44to them

00:54:44from the moment

00:54:45that that

00:54:46what they say

00:54:46up to now

00:54:47it is not found

00:54:49anywhere

00:54:50but

00:54:51why should they have

00:54:52say something

00:54:52for another

00:54:53from the moment

00:54:54which moreover

00:54:55let's say

00:54:56it's a statement

00:54:59which brought

00:55:00their consequences

00:55:01not a little

00:55:01to the mother

00:55:02above all

00:55:03Meaning what

00:55:03because then

00:55:04they have been reported

00:55:05for aiding and abetting

00:55:06and for

00:55:07for a rescue mission

00:55:09what they have

00:55:10reported to them

00:55:10Cherubim

00:55:11and they were believed

00:55:12he knows what

00:55:14let's say

00:55:14he convinced

00:55:15the magistrates

00:55:16the fact that

00:55:18mother and daughter

00:55:19at a certain point

00:55:20far away

00:55:21due to circumstances

00:55:22of family members

00:55:23the little girl

00:55:24he was on vacation

00:55:25practically

00:55:28intercepted

00:55:28they showed themselves

00:55:29let's say

00:55:30worried

00:55:31of having to testify

00:55:32and they seemed convinced

00:55:34this is written

00:55:34in the trial documents

00:55:35and they seemed

00:55:36let's say

00:55:37convinced

00:55:38of what

00:55:38they would have seen

00:55:40or they had seen

00:55:41we use the verb

00:55:42that deserves

00:55:43a testimony

00:55:44the grindstone moreover

00:55:45he told

00:55:47even the other one

00:55:49he told

00:55:49that she

00:55:50Cherubim

00:55:50he was stalking her

00:55:52After

00:55:52knowing that you are

00:55:53been seen

00:55:54having

00:55:55let's say

00:55:55awareness

00:55:57of having been

00:55:58view

00:55:59discovery

00:55:59from them

00:56:00he was stalking her

00:56:02he was found

00:56:03with an intimidating air

00:56:04near his house

00:56:05which is far away

00:56:06then from your home

00:56:07and sometimes

00:56:09he would have seen her

00:56:10also accompanied

00:56:10from man

00:56:11that she

00:56:13and the daughter

00:56:13they would have seen

00:56:15they had seen

00:56:15because it is a testimony

00:56:17let's say

00:56:18in the car with her

00:56:19being

00:56:20I'm the principal

00:56:21suspect

00:56:22Yes

00:56:23I'm not being stalked

00:56:25from the police

00:56:25Carabinieri

00:56:27if I am

00:56:28stalking

00:56:29or following

00:56:30the molegia

00:56:31they don't see

00:56:33that I am

00:56:33I in turn

00:56:35stalked

00:56:35they don't see

00:56:36that I am

00:56:38stalking

00:56:38another

00:56:39witness

00:56:41but she

00:56:42he was being followed

00:56:43and who knows her

00:56:44cherubs

00:56:45one thing

00:56:45I didn't ask her

00:56:46how many tenants

00:56:47there were

00:56:47condomini

00:56:48in your palace

00:56:49twelve

00:56:49so a nice number

00:56:51of tenants

00:56:51Meaning what

00:56:53a number

00:56:54fed by tenants

00:56:55That

00:56:56entering

00:56:57and going out

00:56:57In short

00:56:58to me

00:56:58would have

00:56:59could

00:56:59see

00:56:59This

00:57:01cherubs

00:57:02as we have

00:57:02said

00:57:03Here you are

00:57:04this is the testimony

00:57:05of the lady

00:57:07Morelli

00:57:07and his daughter

00:57:08all this

00:57:09he told it

00:57:10to his sister

00:57:11by Maria Pina

00:57:12which was

00:57:13went home

00:57:14its

00:57:14and logically

00:57:16the first thing

00:57:17what he did

00:57:17it's gone

00:57:18to the police

00:57:19and delivered

00:57:20the ribbon

00:57:20with the registration

00:57:21to the investigators

00:57:22September 27, 2003

00:57:24after a year

00:57:26and two months after the crime

00:57:28she

00:57:28cherubs

00:57:29he is arrested

00:57:30for the prosecution

00:57:32and she

00:57:33the killer

00:57:33of his wife

00:57:34Maria Pina

00:57:35Seda

00:57:37according to investigators

00:57:38and then for the judges

00:57:39who condemned her

00:57:41this is the dynamics

00:57:42of the facts

00:57:43between 8:30 am

00:57:44at a quarter to 9

00:57:45she

00:57:45cherubs

00:57:46it would have been

00:57:47removed

00:57:47from the workplace

00:57:49he would have returned

00:57:50At home

00:57:51and with an excuse

00:57:52would have convinced

00:57:53Maria Pina

00:57:54to go down to the cellar

00:57:56and only

00:57:57because he was in her company

00:57:58that Maria Pina

00:58:00that because

00:58:01of his handicap

00:58:02she was very scared

00:58:03would have gone down

00:58:05in the cellar

00:58:05without fear

00:58:06would have left

00:58:07even up at home

00:58:08his inseparable objects

00:58:10that is, the bag

00:58:11the cell phone

00:58:12cigarettes

00:58:13as for the prosecution

00:58:14it was undoubtedly

00:58:15intended

00:58:16to go back up

00:58:17Maria Pina

00:58:19would then have entered

00:58:20first

00:58:21and with confidence

00:58:22in the cellar

00:58:23followed by her

00:58:24cherubs

00:58:25that attacking her

00:58:26behind

00:58:27he would have hit her

00:58:29with two hammer blows

00:58:30that had broken through them

00:58:32the skullcap

00:58:41this

00:58:41the reconstruction

00:58:42that the accusation

00:58:43he hypothesized

00:58:44for the crime

00:58:45cherubs

00:58:45to kill

00:58:47a motive is needed

00:58:48maybe even

00:58:50a valid one

00:58:50motive

00:58:51Now

00:58:52so long as

00:58:53according to the accusation

00:58:54she wouldn't have

00:58:54killed his wife

00:58:55in the course

00:58:57of a violent argument

00:58:58In short

00:58:58it wouldn't have been

00:58:58a crime

00:58:59on impulse

00:59:00but she would have

00:59:01carefully

00:59:02planned

00:59:03the crime

00:59:04the question

00:59:05which imposes itself

00:59:06is this

00:59:08she cherubs

00:59:09he killed

00:59:09Maria Pina

00:59:09because his wife

00:59:11he wanted to divorce

00:59:13No

00:59:15she killed

00:59:16Maria Pina

00:59:16because he didn't love

00:59:17more maria pina

00:59:18he loved Maria Pina

00:59:20and my daughter

00:59:23the only things

00:59:24that I loved

00:59:29and now

00:59:30it's not one o'clock

00:59:31nor the other

00:59:35one more thing

00:59:36cherubs

00:59:37with death

00:59:38of his wife

00:59:39as legitimate

00:59:40consort

00:59:41she would have

00:59:42inherited

00:59:43from Maria Pina

00:59:44I don't know

00:59:44goods

00:59:44lands

00:59:45money

00:59:46I don't know

00:59:48if he had

00:59:49at the level

00:59:50of the family

00:59:50why don't you

00:59:51is he ever interested

00:59:52their

00:59:53song

00:59:53I was interested

00:59:54only there

00:59:55the little girl

00:59:56Enough

00:59:56No

00:59:57there was only

00:59:58a little house

00:59:59to the sea

00:59:59Enough

01:00:00Therefore

01:00:01this would be

01:00:02was the legacy

01:00:04cherubs

01:00:05his wife

01:00:05she was killed

01:00:06July 23rd

01:00:07of 2002

01:00:07she was

01:00:09arrested

01:00:09September 27th

01:00:10of 2003

01:00:11his

01:00:13was

01:00:13a process

01:00:14highly

01:00:15circumstantial evidence

01:00:16the expedition

01:00:17in jail

01:00:17it was essentially

01:00:18the testimony

01:00:19of the woman

01:00:20of cleaning

01:00:21of the lady

01:00:21grindstone

01:00:22and his daughter

01:00:23who supported

01:00:24precisely

01:00:24of having seen her

01:00:25in the palace

01:00:26over time

01:00:27in which the crime

01:00:28it was committed

01:00:29but the data

01:00:31something to think about

01:00:32this is it

01:00:33in general

01:00:34the judges

01:00:35they believe

01:00:36more and more

01:00:37reliable

01:00:38the test

01:00:40documentary

01:00:40respect

01:00:41to the test

01:00:41testimonial

01:00:42that is to say

01:00:42compared to a

01:00:43testimony

01:00:44which can be

01:00:44even spoiled

01:00:45from suggestions

01:00:46I hope she

01:00:47is guilty

01:00:48why would it be

01:00:49terrible

01:00:50if she were

01:00:50innocent

01:00:51and discounted

01:00:52the Ercastro

01:00:55in December

01:00:56of 2004

01:00:56in conclusion

01:00:57of a dramatic

01:00:58process

01:00:59in which

01:00:59the whole family

01:01:00by Maria Pina

01:01:01it is constituted

01:01:01civil party

01:01:02against her

01:01:03the court

01:01:04of assizes

01:01:05from Nuoro

01:01:05condemn her

01:01:06Gianfranco

01:01:07Peruvian

01:01:08at 30 years old

01:01:09of imprisonment

01:01:10for the murder

01:01:10of his wife

01:01:11Maria Pina

01:01:11Sedda

01:01:12and the accusation

01:01:13of murder

01:01:14voluntary

01:01:15excluded

01:01:16the aggravating circumstance

01:01:17of premeditation

01:01:18but with the aggravating circumstance

01:01:19of the marital relationship

01:01:21and the condition

01:01:22of deaf and dumb

01:01:22of his wife

01:01:23it wasn't

01:01:24from the same notice

01:01:25the assize court

01:01:26of appeal

01:01:27that in February

01:01:28of 2006

01:01:29the sentence

01:01:30to the penalty

01:01:30of the life sentence

01:01:31the judges

01:01:33of appeal

01:01:33they consider it

01:01:34guilty

01:01:34of the murder

01:01:35of his wife

01:01:35but with the aggravating circumstance

01:01:36of premeditation

01:01:38and in competition

01:01:39with another person

01:01:41Speaking of which

01:01:42Cherubim

01:01:43it was then

01:01:44identified

01:01:44the other person

01:01:46with which

01:01:47with whose complicity

01:01:49for justice

01:01:50she killed

01:01:51his wife

01:01:52that his self

01:01:53No

01:01:54Cherubim

01:01:55she pays

01:01:55life imprisonment

01:01:56continuing to scream

01:01:58his innocence

01:01:59who killed

01:02:00Maria Pina

01:02:01I do not know

01:02:03if I had it exactly

01:02:04I would have said

01:02:06he tells you

01:02:07who killed

01:02:07my wife

01:02:08but I don't know

01:02:09I cannot

01:02:10and I don't feel like it

01:02:11to acquire a person

01:02:12but not even a suspicion

01:02:13distant

01:02:14Nothing

01:02:15Badue Carrus

01:02:17it is a structure

01:02:18penitentiary

01:02:19that lives in the heart

01:02:20of the Barbagia

01:02:21and that for this reason too

01:02:23his archaic name

01:02:24is wrapped

01:02:25from particular suggestions

01:02:26where instead

01:02:27it's an institution

01:02:28very well structured

01:02:29very well directed

01:02:30Also

01:02:31she Cherubini

01:02:32how he employs

01:02:33his time

01:02:34here in Badue Carrus

01:02:35moreover

01:02:36to a tan

01:02:37That

01:02:37Like this

01:02:38it seems like she

01:02:40he came out

01:02:40from a season

01:02:42seaside resort

01:02:44works outside

01:02:46I go out in the morning

01:02:46and into the evening

01:02:48where he works

01:02:49tell us

01:02:50outside outside

01:02:51doing

01:02:52small maintenance

01:02:56gardening

01:02:59and others

01:03:00doings

01:03:01that are our responsibility

01:03:03to us

01:03:03external workers

01:03:05but anyway

01:03:06somehow

01:03:08the deprivation

01:03:08of freedom

01:03:09which is heritage

01:03:10never negotiable

01:03:11she is mitigated

01:03:13from contact

01:03:13with nature

01:03:14Yes

01:03:15she takes care of it

01:03:16even some dogs

01:03:17it seems to me

01:03:18No

01:03:19we have these dogs

01:03:20what we have to eat

01:03:21she takes care of it

01:03:25Cherubim

01:03:25have passed

01:03:27ten years

01:03:28from the violent end

01:03:29of his wife

01:03:29Maria Pina Sedda

01:03:31have passed

01:03:33about nine years

01:03:34from the beginning

01:03:35of his detention

01:03:36if there is something

01:03:37that up to now

01:03:38he didn't say

01:03:38something

01:03:39which would mean

01:03:40today he has the opportunity

01:03:41Please

01:03:44nothing much

01:03:45nobody listens to me

01:03:46I have nothing to say

01:03:47we are listening to it

01:03:50Nothing

01:03:53because now

01:03:54I don't believe in anything anymore

01:03:55I don't believe in anything

01:03:57I don't believe in anything

01:04:28I don't believe in anything

01:04:29I don't think so and

01:04:29Thank you all.

Gianfranco Cherubini: Era sordomuta, io l'amavo | Storie Maledette 2012 [HQ]

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