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00:00Runner goes, chopper, third base side, Chapman charging, double clutch of the throw, and they got him.
00:06No! It gets away from Schmidt, here comes the throw home, and it's 1-0 Padres.
00:14Bogarts, with a man on third and only one out, bounced out to Chapman, who threw to the plate to
00:20throw out Bryce Johnson.
00:21There's a chopper, going to be a tough play, charging is Chapman, and he throws it over Schmidt.
00:28Schmidt, and everybody's safe.
00:32This is going to be another one that's going to be on Casey Schmidt.
00:36Well, I mean, he stepped to the ball, I mean, if he stays on the bag in a high position,
00:42he catches his ball.
00:44But when he strides out to try and get to the ball quickly, I mean, he drops below the plane
00:49of the ball, and he just is in position to catch it.
00:53And he got him, and that's the ball game.
00:56So the Giants were hoping that they could take this one and walk out of here with a three-game
01:02winning streak,
01:02but some shoddy defense at the beginning, and then things just went sideways in the eighth.
01:09But they walk out of San Diego with a series win after losing three in a row to start their
01:16season.
01:16Now, back to Willard and Dibbs on 95.7 The Game.
01:22Okay, obviously, all those calls, different points of the game, Kruk and Kipe, NBC Sports Bay Area, with all of
01:29that.
01:30Couple things to react to.
01:31First of all, the way Kruko broke down what happened on the second exchange, maybe not an exchange, throw from
01:39Chapman to Schmidt,
01:40but exactly what you said in the moment, which is that Casey had a bad stretch.
01:44Yeah, I know ball.
01:46Had a bit.
01:47It just looked like he stretched.
01:49He had to stretch out to try to get there, but I didn't even think about the plane of the
01:53ball,
01:53but he stretched out, and he stretched low, and, you know, he tried to get up and get it.
01:57He went right underneath the ball.
01:59And I don't know that he did need to stretch that much.
02:02Right.
02:03But what if he was a 6'7'' first baseman?
02:06Oh, yeah, then he would have had it.
02:09Only they had one of them around.
02:12Okay, so these are two totally different plays.
02:15That's the description of one, which is a throw from Chapman to Schmidt.
02:19Schmidt kind of stretches so much to the level where his body goes down,
02:23and the ball goes right off the top of his glove.
02:26The one earlier in the game, this was the first inning, off the bat of Manny Machado,
02:31the throw is up the first baseline a little bit, but let's not call it up the line
02:36because that phrase sort of refers to when you have to come off of the bag.
02:41And, no, this was completely reachable for Casey Schmidt.
02:46The throw kind of ran Schmidt's arm into Machado, who's running down.
02:51So it's a difficult play.
02:53But let me just say this.
02:55Before we talk it out, before we listen to Tony Bitello address this.
02:59I'll just point this out real quick.
03:00The first one, Chapman got the error.
03:03The second one, Schmidt got the error.
03:04Official score.
03:05Official score.
03:07But let's quickly, because there's a lot to react to here, and the lead story is this.
03:14After the second one, there's a meeting at the mound,
03:18and Chapman looks straight at Schmidt and says something twice.
03:23And it is as clear as day.
03:25So I'm glad the Giants addressed this, because it's on social media, and you cannot.
03:30This is not Jimmy Garoppolo.
03:32We're not going to have a debate over what was being said.
03:36You do not need to be a good lip reader.
03:38You can see it.
03:40Chapman looks at Schmidt and twice says,
03:42Catch the bleepin' ball.
03:44Not joyfully like,
03:47No, dude, catch the bleepin' ball.
03:52So, that's where they stand.
03:56Vitello addresses it.
03:57We'll get to that in a sec.
03:59Your only place to be talking about this right now is right here.
04:03888-957-9570.
04:05Giants lose 7-1.
04:09So, this is silly, because it's Little League Baseball.
04:12But my son is 12, and he's left-handed.
04:16And he plays first base.
04:18And that's pretty much, he'll pitch every now and again,
04:20but outside of that, that's where Jude plays.
04:23Jude plays first base.
04:25When you're a kid, and other kids are throwing you the ball,
04:30the ball's all over the damn place.
04:31Yeah.
04:32Because it's Little League.
04:33So, the balls are coming high.
04:35Balls are in the dirt.
04:37Balls are all over the place.
04:39And I took him to the park one day with one clear lesson.
04:44And not mad at it, but here's the deal,
04:47because what little kids do when bad things happen,
04:51they often, it's like palms up,
04:54and it's immediately a game of whose fault it is.
04:58So, you taught him the phrase that pays.
05:00Catch the bleeping ball.
05:02Here's my lesson to you, young man.
05:05Sometimes the throws will suck.
05:08Here's the deal.
05:09So, you are the first baseman that makes it your job to catch the ball.
05:19The bleeping ball.
05:20Or block the ball.
05:22If the ball is skied over your head, I don't know, what can we do?
05:27The ball's going to go to the cage.
05:29But if the ball's in the dirt, yes, it's their error.
05:33But it's still your responsibility.
05:36Yeah.
05:36Cover the ball.
05:39That's your job.
05:41I know it ain't fair.
05:42Life ain't fair.
05:43You're the first baseman.
05:44They give you a longer glove,
05:47because we're going to catch the ball.
05:49I then spent the next hour throwing balls at him in the dirt.
05:53Man.
05:54Yeah.
05:55That's some rough parenting right there.
05:56No, like, not like hit him with it.
05:58I wasn't throwing him at 80 miles an hour.
06:00But I'm like, let's throw, like, just get used to this.
06:03I want you to have soft hands, but you don't need to catch all these.
06:07You get dinner either way.
06:08But, like, we're going to try to scoop these.
06:11And you're going to take responsibility for it's low, but I'm going to go get it.
06:16Right.
06:16And if you don't catch it, you've got to run after it.
06:19Right.
06:19But that's just the attitude I wanted.
06:21It's not the success rate, but the attitude I wanted.
06:26And I think that's what Chapman is saying to Schmidt.
06:28Dog, I'm sorry that the throw was like, you know, I didn't hit you in the chest.
06:34You are the first baseman.
06:36Catch the bleeping ball.
06:39Yeah.
06:39And he, I mean, he caught other balls that were thrown over to him.
06:43So he didn't have a 0% catch percentage on the day.
06:47And I'll add this.
06:48You've got to be a hundo, dude.
06:49Well, we talked yesterday to Casey Schmidt, and we kind of joked around about, you know,
06:54where'd you get your first baseman's glove?
06:55Because you didn't really play first at all.
06:57And he actually told kind of a fun story about how, you know, he's got one.
07:01And it was a rush delivery from Rawlings.
07:03And, you know, he worked it in.
07:04And he only played 15 games at first last year.
07:08So this is a guy who hasn't played a ton of first base.
07:11And so when it comes to stretching out for the ball and you stretch out too low
07:16and it makes it so you can't catch a high throw,
07:19that's one of those mistakes that you kind of have to live with
07:22when you have an inexperienced guy over at first base.
07:24I know that it may sound, you know, unfair or unkind.
07:29And this is so, we had a call earlier and Grandy and I had, you know,
07:33we could see the game in here and we're just kind of debating back and forth.
07:38And Grandy's like, those are on Chapman.
07:40And I'm like, they're completely on Schmidt.
07:43I said the first one was on Chapman.
07:44The first one is on Chapman.
07:45I agree.
07:45I disagree.
07:46Yeah.
07:46I completely disagree.
07:48If you can reach it as a first baseman, at your ball.
07:52Well, there's like contact with the runner, with the batter runner, so to speak.
07:56Then you got to get your glove out there in front of the runner.
07:59It was a bang, bang play.
08:00Yes.
08:01Listen, I'm acknowledging it is a difficult play.
08:05Right.
08:05But Matt Chapman, who I'm going to take in an argument over Casey Schmidt in big league baseball.
08:11In defense especially, yeah.
08:12He ain't saying catch the bleeping ball at him twice on the mound because he feels like he uncorked a
08:18bad throw.
08:19No, and I think it's more the second one.
08:21The first one, if the first one was the only one that happened where he throws it a little up
08:24the line
08:25and Schmidt can't secure the catch with two feet inbounds and on the base, if that's the only one that
08:30happens,
08:30I don't think that he says catch the bleeping ball, but it was that one and then the subsequent one
08:35where he absolutely has to catch that bleeping ball.
08:38That's why Chapman said what he said.
08:40Remember, Chappie a lot of times, and this is what he's great at, he's going after balls in the hole.
08:45He's charging balls.
08:46These things, this is bang, bang.
08:48Out of the glove, we're throwing to first.
08:50We're not sitting here asking, and this guy's throw from deep at third, this is a long throw.
08:55I'm not going to be like, yeah, dude, you need to hit Casey between the S and the F.
09:02No.
09:03Like, dude, get it over there, and then as soon as it's out of your hands, I'm sorry,
09:09that's the first baseman's responsibility.
09:10By the way, with a runner over there, that first one, the first one, if you guys think that that's
09:16on Chapman,
09:18then here's what the first baseman's responsibility actually is.
09:22You've got a massive man in Machado running down the line and a runner that started the play at second
09:28base.
09:28So that runner is now at third.
09:30If you think, uh-oh, like I can't get to that ball, then you've got to come off the bag
09:37and catch the ball
09:38and keep that runner at third.
09:40Instead, he just kind of sticks his glove out there.
09:43It gets caught off of Machado's arm.
09:45It rolls into right field.
09:47It's 1-0 Padres.
09:48That's just how I see it.
09:50That's the way I view defensively the position of first base.
09:54If you can reach that ball, that is your ball, and you have got to block it.
09:59Yep, you need to catch it.
10:00And I'm just looking at a still of the first one.
10:02It was in the first inning, and the ball and Machado arrive at exactly the same moment.
10:08And, you know, honestly, Machado might be out of the baseline by a touch because you get your own path,
10:13and he's on the left side of that white line, the foul line, so to speak.
10:17So that might be something that a more experienced manager might have at least queried about and asked about.
10:24But it's a tough one.
10:25And, yes, big league first baseman, you need to make these tough plays.
10:29But this first one was – that was the one I look at and I say, you know, that was
10:33a Chapman throw that wasn't a great throw,
10:35and it was in a spot which it was tough to catch, and he had a lot of glove on
10:39it,
10:40and then Machado just kind of runs right through it.
10:41It's also weird.
10:42The Giants have four first basemen and no first basemen.
10:47Well, yeah.
10:48They might have five if Bryce Eldridge comes up, but they've got Casey Schmidt, Rafi Debers, Luis Arise,
10:54and Gerard Encarnacion, and maybe Bryce Eldridge, and none of them are first basemen.
10:58Like, none of them will be confused for J.T. Snow or Brandon Belt and Will Clark.
11:05Arise has played a lot of firsts, though, right?
11:06Like, last year he played a bunch of firsts.
11:08Exactly.
11:08So they can all do it, but it's none of their position by nature.
11:13Right.
11:13So you get into a spot now where you play Arise at second, and he made a spectacular play today.
11:20And Grandy was, you know, in our ear kind of joking around about it being only spectacular because he has
11:25no range,
11:26which I thought was a funny comeback.
11:27But I don't know why you don't have Arise at first.
11:30He's played there more.
11:32And Schmidt at second, he's played there more.
11:34Like, why did they decide to go this route instead of having these guys play positions they normally play?
11:40Let's address that in a second.
11:42First of all, we've got Tony Vitello, who addressed this situation.
11:47Matt Chapman and Casey Schmidt have also addressed it as well.
11:50And so we'll have all of those comments for you.
11:52Let's start with Vitello.
11:54Here is a piece of what he had to say after the game,
11:58and he began by addressing these errors where Chapman and Schmidt both played a role.
12:02Well, we watched the replay multiple times because it looked like on the first one the base runner kind of
12:07took a swipe at it.
12:08I mean, I think it was almost more playful than it was malicious, and it ended up, I don't think
12:13it interfered.
12:14It gets kind of tight on the camera angle, but it just looks like it was a difficult play for
12:19Chappie
12:20and had an opportunity to catch the ball, but the base runner's arriving close at the same time.
12:25And then we need to, in the future, I mean, Jungie's always hustling,
12:29but being a backup position a little bit better would be ideally ideal there.
12:33And then the second one was just a misplay, you know.
12:37Obviously, everything Chappie throws has good carry, but that one was, you know,
12:42the first one's got about six or seven different storylines to it if you want to stretch it,
12:46but the second one was just a misplay.
12:48And, you know, we were talking in there, you're going to have to battle through adversity as a starting pitcher
12:52because you're out there longer than the average guy, and even the average guy or the relievers
12:58are going to have to deal with adversity too.
13:00But it really would have been nice to reward Hauser one way or another with just how good his outing
13:06was.
13:06And, you know, at the end, he kind of earned the right to be out there, you know, in the
13:11situation that he was.
13:12So I assume I ran away from the box score.
13:16I think that was the only earned run he gave up.
13:18And Luis had a really tough play, but, you know, if he makes that play, he got two outs,
13:23and you'd like to think it was about as good of an opening outing as a Giant as the guy
13:27could have.
13:28So at the very least, he threw the ball well today.
13:30It looked like Matt was pretty fired up after the second one.
13:33Did you see any of that?
13:35Yeah, I mean, he was upset.
13:36I mean, he's trying to win the game.
13:37You know, I think he was upset, you know, a couple of at-bats too.
13:41We were close, as was he, a couple different times to getting on base,
13:44whether it's ball four or, you know, squaring up pitches.
13:48Guys were on some pitches, but, you know, or just weren't quite on them enough.
13:53So, yeah, I think there was frustration from everybody throughout the day.
13:58I'll jump ahead.
13:59I mean, the one thing about today, because right or wrong, is you're always thinking ahead.
14:04And sometimes you think back too much, too, and the coaches, coaching staff position.
14:09And the vibe today was way better than it was our first three games for whatever reason,
14:16basically at every part of the game until everybody's concern kind of flipped to what you guys were probably going
14:22to ask about.
14:23And it happened late in the game, and we went out of the way to try and get you info.
14:27All I know is, you know, there was clearly tightness,
14:29and he wasn't throwing the ball as well as possible the whole time.
14:33And Chappie, again, same thing leadership-wise, went out there to visit with him.
14:37And he didn't speak of any discomfort then, but he did when we visited,
14:40and it was probably time for him to come out anyway, pitch count-wise at that point.
14:44But I know at the very least there was tightness.
14:46So any positives that came from today?
14:49And it truly was a positive trip overall, and sorry to summarize everything,
14:54but I think the guys found themselves a little bit getting away from home
14:57and spending our true first road trip.
14:59We get a series win.
15:01Today, again, bottom of the eighth, the whole game kind of changed,
15:05but at the very least you push the opponent, you get the closer in the game.
15:09Susak gets to play.
15:10Gerard gets an at-bat.
15:12There were a lot of positives, but that's kind of a glooming cloud over everything.
15:15So we're hoping for the best situation there, and we'll give you information when I have it.
15:20Just a shoulder, elbow?
15:22Just arm tightness, so not shoulder.
15:25So more than likely, you know, somewhere elbow, forearm area, maybe even, I don't know if it's lower.
15:31I mean, he got hit last night on the, you guys probably documented on the other arm.
15:35Okay, that's Tony Bitello after the game, and he's jumping ahead a little bit.
15:40The pitcher about whom he's speaking is Jose Butto, a reliever who came in at the end of the game,
15:46still a close baseball game.
15:48Then things got a little bit out of hand.
15:49There was a homer.
15:50That's how it got kind of elevated from a 3-1 game to a 7-1 game,
15:56and then Butto had to come out of the game because he was feeling some tightness in his arm.
16:00But you hear his explanation there with regard to what was going on between Chappie and Schmidt.
16:06And then our friend Alex Pavlovich has these quotes from Chapman and Schmidt about the incident.
16:13Again, nobody can run from this.
16:14We can see it all over the Internet.
16:17Chapman said, quote, we're all brothers here.
16:20It's the heat of the moment.
16:21I've already talked to Casey.
16:23It's all good.
16:24End quote.
16:25Casey's response, quote, we're trying to win games.
16:29I'm not mad about it.
16:31End quote.
16:32So there it is from Vitello, Chapman, and Schmidt.
16:35Yeah, it's not a huge deal.
16:37I mean, it's just an exchange.
16:38And, you know, they didn't exchange punches and, you know, didn't get heated.
16:42It was, look, you need to catch the ball.
16:45Catch the blanking ball.
16:46Catch the blanking ball.
16:47I'm looking at the first inning one again.
16:49And I can't for the life of me figure out how he did not catch the ball because he has
16:56his glove there.
16:56And it hits his glove and all next thing you know, the ball's hitting Machado and going by him.
17:02I don't know if he has a hole in the glove or the angle of the glove is like so
17:07obtuse so as to not be in a position to receive the ball.
17:11It's just a weird one.
17:12I think there's a distraction.
17:14As you heard, Vitello kind of refer to Machado maybe even playfully taking a swipe at the ball.
17:20They talked about looking at it to see if there was a review or anything illegal had happened.
17:24And I just think that, Casey, it's a little distracting.
17:27You're reaching for a ball and then a very large man is about an inch away from the ball and
17:33bearing down on you.
17:35And so it's a tough catch.
17:36But that's why I formed the opinion that I did right away in the moment.
17:41Sorry, tough catch.
17:43You got to make it.
17:44That is Casey's ball.
17:46You see that he can touch the ball.
17:48You're a first baseman.
17:49If you can touch it, that is your baseball.
17:52And there is absolutely no way, shape, or form that that is on the other infielder who threw the ball
17:59if it is in your catch radius.
18:02Yeah, I will say having now looked at this freeze for the last eight minutes and I'm going like frame
18:07by frame, he's got to catch this.
18:09He's got to catch it.
18:10He gets the error, which, you know, the throw was a little bit up the line, so to speak.
18:14But a more experienced first baseman, and in real time, it's hard to do this when you haven't done this
18:20a lot at first.
18:21But this is one where you come off the bag and you just tag him because literally you're going to
18:28catch it and he's going to be within five inches of you.
18:31So you could do the catch tag if you had to come off the base, but he chose to stay
18:35home and the ball literally, it hits the pocket.
18:39And next thing you know, it goes by and the swipe from Machado is after the ball is out of
18:45his glove.
18:45And he, I think he was instinctively doing it, like trying to get the ball away from him, like bees
18:50or whatever.
18:52Yeah, I just for the life of me, I don't know how.
18:55Yeah, then the ball rolls down the right field line and a run scores.
18:58It just, I don't know if there was a hole in his glove because it's there, and then about eight
19:03frames later, the ball's in front of Machado, and now it's down the line.
19:07I want people to know, too, the reason Casey Schmidt is over there, there's two of them.
19:11One of them is they still feel Rafael Devers' hamstring is not perfect, though he legged down an infield hit
19:18last night.
19:19Yeah, he did.
19:19He looked fine.
19:20So, you know, I don't know why that's so concerning for them in the field.
19:25It's first base.
19:26It's not like he's got to run really far or anything like that.
19:29And then there's Encarnacion.
19:31And Vitello specifically said Schmidt is ahead of Gerrard defensively, and that's why right now he's the one who's over
19:40there because Encarnacion's bat is a little bit better.
19:43That said, Schmidt had a pretty decent series in San Diego, had some hits, had two hits.
19:49Obviously, in the game on Monday, that's what earned him a trip to Willie and Dibby yesterday.
19:53He had another hit to lead off in his first at-bat last night.
19:58Casey Schmidt came to the big leagues because he was known as an elite infielder.
20:04So the idea that this man is having just a hard time catching the ball is wild.
20:11Of all the things that I thought would plague the Giants in a game early on this year, it would
20:19not be Casey Schmidt's ability to catch a baseball that's been thrown at him.
20:22Right, and every position on the diamond is different.
20:25And if you're not used to playing first base, there's going to be some awkward things that you have to
20:30go through.
20:30And today, Casey Schmidt had two of them.
20:33The one he stretches, and he stretches too low, and he can't get the high throw.
20:36And this first one where, yeah, Manny Machado is barreling down the line, and he probably is within the rules
20:42of the baseline.
20:43Yeah, I think so.
20:44But he's coming down the line, and that's a big man coming, and the throw is bringing you in that
20:49direction.
20:49So not that he alligator armed it because he didn't, but that is something you've got to get used to.
20:55So go back to your question.
20:57You were asking about why this is playing out the way it is positionally with all the people who have
21:03the ability to play first base?
21:04Yes.
21:05Okay, go ahead.
21:06Why are you choosing to play Casey Schmidt at first and Arise at second?
21:10And I was just looking at the numbers.
21:12Luis Arise has played 263 games at first base.
21:16Casey Schmidt, coming into the year, had played, I believe, 15.
21:19So you've got a more experienced guy playing second, and he's played second a lot, Arise, 364 games.
21:27But Casey Schmidt is a good infielder.
21:30Second base, shortstop, third base, hasn't played a lot of first, so you play him at first and Arise at
21:36second.
21:37And it only, I guess, raises an eyebrow now because this happened.
21:41Schmidt happens when you have a guy at first who doesn't play a lot, but I don't know.
21:46I'd like to have somebody ask him.
21:47Yeah, my guess, because all I can do is guess at this point, Luis Arise reportedly came to the San
21:56Francisco Giants
21:57because they did something that other teams were not willing to do in free agency, and that is not promise.
22:03I think that's been overstated, but tell him that he's going to be the second baseman.
22:07Now, they have said Arise will probably play some first this year, but he largely is going to be the
22:14second baseman.
22:15So to start the year by immediately being like, all right, go play first, and we're going to have Casey
22:22play second,
22:22even though they've groomed Casey.
22:24Like last year, they taught him first base because they wanted him to be able to do that too.
22:31They wanted him to be able to be a right-handed hitting first baseman.
22:35They wanted him in the game more.
22:37They wanted to build his versatility.
22:39So you've groomed Casey out of being a left side of the infield infielder.
22:44You've now told him you're a first baseman as well.
22:46You tell Luis Arise, we're hiring you to be our second baseman this year, and then the season arrives,
22:52and Devers is slightly dinged, and you immediately flip-flop the two?
22:57Just my guess, I don't think it would have gone over very well with Arise.
23:02That's my guess.
23:03And that's probably the right guess if you had, you know, given him assurances of you're going to be our
23:07second baseman,
23:08and you need a first baseman, and you've been trying to work Casey into that spot.
23:13You're going to hope for the best, and today it definitely didn't go the best.
23:17And so I guess you put Casey back out there, right?
23:20Unless you're facing a lefty in the next game.
23:23I haven't even looked at what the Mets are throwing at him.
23:25Yeah, me either, but it just struck me as we were going through this, like, Arise has played a ton
23:30more first.
23:30Totally.
23:32He's just played a ton more, period.
23:33He's just played a ton more, period.
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