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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that offers you the best
00:05deals on The Apprentice exclusives.
00:07Coming up, I'll be speaking to the candidates who paid a heavy price in the TV selling task,
00:12Levi and Conor, Lord Sugar discusses the deal of the day he made with Kieran, and we've
00:17got a two for one on special guests, Series 18 candidate Trey Lowe and presenter Lauren
00:23Layfield. This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business.
00:31Welcome to the show, Lauren and Trey.
00:35How are you?
00:36Yeah, all right, thanks.
00:37Good, good. Listen, before we get stuck into the task, let's remind ourselves of Kieran's
00:42unexpected boardroom offer.
00:45If I stay in this process, I would like to be the project manager on task 10 to prove
00:49to you what I can do. If I lose, we shake hands, I walk out.
00:54Right. That's very interesting.
00:56Interesting indeed. Conor's eye roll.
01:00I fell that deep in my soul. I think I did the exact same reaction when I watched it.
01:04Did you? Okay, so do we think it was brave or foolish?
01:07I think it was desperate.
01:10Mm, fine.
01:11I think he'd already been PM. He's done it again.
01:14Yeah. You can't be asking for a third go. That's just cheeky, cheeky boy behaviour.
01:18How do you reckon? Yeah. Worked, though.
01:21Well, it did work and you said that's what people need to do. I think it was genius.
01:24It was, when you're in the bottom three, you're fighting for everything.
01:27And in a way, you're showing qualities that Lord Sugar actually wants to see.
01:31Determination, tenacity, etc. I think it was genius and it worked.
01:34It worked. Yeah.
01:35Well, let's hear what Lord Sugar thinks.
01:37He's left me another voice now, hasn't he? Don't get jealous.
01:40Direct line.
01:42Hi, Angela. Hello, sir.
01:44I've got to give it to Kieran. He made me an offer I couldn't refuse.
01:49He may have saved him this time, but it's a big risk. I'm not sure a calculated one.
01:56We know he can talk the talk, but if it comes to it, will he walk the walk?
02:05Do we think he'll be walking?
02:08Honestly? I think he will.
02:10I think he will. Do you reckon?
02:11Yeah. The thing is, you've got no more chances now.
02:14You are literally last chance saloon.
02:17That's a lot of pressure.
02:19I mean, the task itself for pressure on its own.
02:21But knowing that your neck is on a chopping block, yeah, I can't see him.
02:25Let's talk TV selling, right?
02:26An absolute fan favourite.
02:28In a nutshell, did they live up to expectations?
02:31No, not from my point of view.
02:34Hard to know.
02:35Tress it up.
02:36I'll only say, really, because when I say compare it to our year,
02:40and I thought our year wasn't necessarily, oh, my God, amazing.
02:42But if I look at the figures, we may double what they did,
02:45and it's only two years apart, so you would expect them to get
02:47fairly close to where we did.
02:48I think one of the issues as well was just the level of silence.
02:52That there was no feedback from the gallery,
02:54they were kind of flapping about, you know.
02:56I was expecting them to do a lot better than they did.
02:59The silence was deafening at points.
03:01Yeah, but also, equally, in previous performances
03:06with this very selling task, sometimes that gallery has been loud.
03:11True.
03:11Like, chaos.
03:12I've done live TV, lots of it, and let me tell you,
03:14if you can hear, like, five voices screaming at you in your ear,
03:19and you're trying to talk down a camera lens,
03:21it is so disorienting.
03:24So true.
03:25You know, they've never done it before,
03:26and I remember doing my very first audition for television,
03:29and it was basically that.
03:30And having people talk in your ear,
03:32you just don't know what's going on.
03:33So, sometimes I go, yeah, they were pretty rubbish.
03:36But also, I go, you know what, it's a really hard thing to do.
03:39See, five voices in my head on any given day, that's a quiet day for me.
03:43Yeah, yeah, I imagine.
03:44If you've got kids, then it's probably pretty normal.
03:46No, I mean internally, babe.
03:48Internal voices are louder than anyone else's.
03:52Trey, you were PM for this task.
03:54Shall we remind ourselves of yours?
03:56Oh, God, please don't show this.
03:57We are now dropping the price, guys.
03:59Now it's going crazy.
04:01An incredible, an incredible £59.99p.
04:06Tell them, Trey, we've got callers on the line.
04:08We can see you there.
04:09Place your order.
04:11So, we've got Tracey on the line, and she's asking about...
04:14Not Tracey.
04:14That'll do.
04:15That'll do. You're right, Trace.
04:16Tracey, Tracey.
04:17Come on in, Tracey.
04:18OK.
04:19That's iconic.
04:20You guys need to burn and bury that footage forever.
04:23But in my defence, I couldn't hear a thing.
04:25Chaos.
04:26I was literally the first one on.
04:27You just couldn't hear anything.
04:29So, I'm just like, right, I've got to wing it.
04:30And you are winging it when you don't really know what you're doing.
04:32Yeah, I don't need to do the budget.
04:34But also the energy.
04:34There was energy.
04:35It was, like, quite intoxicating.
04:37Yeah.
04:38Well, there was strong competition, OK,
04:39for the project manager positions this week.
04:42Pasha nabbed the top spot for Team Alpha
04:44and Connor for Team Eclipse.
04:46Pasha came dressed for the job, right?
04:48She was not messing about.
04:49How do we think she handled her first time as PM?
04:53I think she did OK.
04:54What I would say is that I think Karishma
04:56really wanted to lead on this task.
04:58And so, Karishma...
04:59I mean, she was leading anyway, wasn't she?
05:01There was a slight pulling of the strings behind the scenes, I thought.
05:04So, yeah, she did a good job.
05:05She got the win.
05:06That's all that matters, right?
05:07She was pretty good in the gallery as well.
05:08She was, you know, we saw a couple of performances
05:11where it was literally tumbleweed.
05:13She was quite vocal.
05:14She gave good feedback.
05:15Yeah.
05:15And sometimes that feedback makes the difference between a win, really,
05:18because I could sell one or two items.
05:20She was good.
05:20I thought she was great being for her first time as well.
05:22And sold eight flossers.
05:24Yeah.
05:24In spite of her performance.
05:26That was unbelievable.
05:28It was comedy gold though, isn't it?
05:29First you put all this green on your teeth
05:31and then you got a flosser that goes in your face.
05:33It was brilliant.
05:33The tub of spinach that was brought in.
05:35Amazing!
05:36So much spinach for one, two.
05:37And she's like just sticking it on her teeth and you're like,
05:40I love it.
05:41Yeah.
05:42It was effective, some might say.
05:45Karishma, a little annoyed that she wasn't overseeing the task,
05:49as you alluded to.
05:50Although it was the first week that maybe we saw Karishma not really excelling.
05:55Yeah, true.
05:56You know, you would have expected her to have aced that.
05:58She had, you know, more...
06:00She just generally has been better than everyone.
06:02But then she went into this whole history of the country
06:05and where it's from and how it's mined.
06:08And I'm just thinking, sell it.
06:09There's someone at home who wants to buy it.
06:11And also when she was in the gallery, she was very quiet.
06:15Very quiet.
06:15Now, I've got a theory that when you get to sort of these later stages
06:18of this process, do you start behaving a little bit tactically?
06:23Sorry, so you were saying she was in sabotage.
06:26Maybe because she didn't get PM,
06:28she may have been sort of slightly trying to undermine
06:31that on-screen performance, potentially.
06:34I like where your brain is going, devious.
06:37Naughty, naughty.
06:38Let's move on to Team Eclipse, right?
06:40When it came to product selection,
06:42Conor put a lot of trust in Rothner and Dan to pick the jewellery.
06:47He kind of, you know, danced around going for the mid-range item.
06:51And Rothner was vocal, I think, about the fact that she said he lacked clarity
06:56and he didn't direct them kind of enough.
07:01Was that, like, her trying to shirk responsibility or how do we feel?
07:05It wasn't clear, like, go for this, fight for this, no matter what,
07:08beat the other team so we get the best possible item.
07:10She was right about that.
07:11What is a mid-range?
07:13What is a high-priced item?
07:15Well, that's it.
07:15Because I reckon probably a mid-range item to me might be a bit of a low-range item to
07:21Trey
07:21because he's on the old architect's money, do you know what I mean?
07:24It's all, like, relative, right?
07:25It's all relative, exactly.
07:29Let's discuss the on-screen performances generally.
07:32Star sellers, who stood out?
07:34Dan obviously, like, yeah, cleaned up for me.
07:36I thought he was brilliant.
07:38And unexpected, I would say unexpected.
07:40Kieran was initially very excited about selling the yoga mats, right?
07:43He was like, yeah, get me, get me in there.
07:46He thought then, last minute, that he should be placed on the higher item
07:50and Connor absolutely disagreed, OK?
07:54What do we make of their dynamic?
07:56It's been bubbling, I would say, for a number of weeks.
07:59It was frosty, wasn't it?
08:01It was. Real frosty.
08:02It almost felt a bit personal, isn't it?
08:04I think Connor was thinking, yeah, if it goes wrong,
08:05I'm going to throw him under the bus.
08:07Yeah.
08:07You've got a sense of that.
08:08Because how are you going to sell a yoga mat?
08:10It's not that easy to sell.
08:12So it's quite...
08:12And I think at this late stage, you are actually thinking,
08:15if we lose, generally, that is a strategy for some people.
08:17If we lose, who can I sort of line up to throw under the bus?
08:20To bring him with me.
08:21Exactly, to bring him with me, yeah.
08:22Yeah.
08:23I really thought, you know, the beginning of that episode,
08:25he said, well, just watch me, you know?
08:27Yeah, I've got the lowest price item.
08:29This is going to be a masterclass.
08:30Yeah.
08:30And straight away, it was that, bless him, deer in headlights kind of moment.
08:36And he didn't know what to say.
08:37I think the realisation of how much is there to actually say about a yoga mat?
08:41Yeah, it hits you, isn't it?
08:43Because you do think before you go on, I'm going to do X, Y and Z.
08:46But like I said, because of that feedback you're like,
08:48and then you don't know what to do.
08:49And I think you saw that with him.
08:50It was just lost for words.
08:51You've got to get your ego out of the way when it comes to selling that sort of stuff.
08:53You've got to think about who am I selling to.
08:55They're the important person.
08:56Yeah.
08:57Which Dan, I think, did quite brilliantly.
08:59And Conor, in fact, referenced it.
09:01He said he exceeded everybody's expectations.
09:03There was like a very gentle acknowledgement of his moment.
09:07And yet, he still brought him back into the board's room.
09:10Honestly, justice for Dan.
09:11This is a disgrace.
09:12I'm so mad about you.
09:13I'm so mad about you.
09:14Bye, yeah.
09:15It is time to bring out our first fired candidate,
09:18whose shopping channel, Shoe Dryer, blew his chances at Lord Sugar's investments.
09:23Let's remind ourselves of his pitch.
09:25How are we doing, everybody?
09:26And welcome.
09:27I'm Levi.
09:28Oh, here we go again.
09:30This is a shoe dryer.
09:32Talk about how much your missus will love that.
09:34She'll be so impressed with you.
09:35I know.
09:36After me and my missus been on the rise round town,
09:39a bit of a smelly shoe.
09:40All I have to do is just pop it on.
09:42You'd put me off listening to you, mate.
09:44You really would.
09:47Levi, welcome.
09:48How are we doing, all right?
09:51I love it.
09:52I think you were slightly done dirty because it was like Rothen was going,
09:55your missus will love it.
09:56I think she meant will love the fact that your stinking boots will be dry.
10:01And you were like, your missus smelly shoes on the rise round.
10:05I was like, those stilettos.
10:08What?
10:08I could say something here, but I don't want to throw my missus under the bus for your PIGs.
10:12I'll keep quiet with that.
10:15So you chose the shoe dryer, Levi.
10:18You weren't even set up with that product.
10:20You were into it because you have found it useful in the past.
10:24Did you think it would be easier to sell than it was?
10:27Oh, yeah, most definitely.
10:28Yeah, I thought I'd be all right.
10:30When I was practising and everything, I thought I've got this bob on here.
10:33You practised?
10:33Yeah, well, shortly.
10:35But then when I come on to live selling and nerves were there,
10:38I don't even know how you're chuffing work, this.
10:40So, yeah, something like that, boom, yeah, that'll do.
10:45Would you buy one?
10:47No.
10:47No.
10:48You know what?
10:49I'd say yes.
10:52Because I think you did know that there's a market for it somewhere.
10:56Yeah.
10:57And I think, actually, Rothen was saying about your missus and stuff,
10:59just threw a whole new audience into the game.
11:01Totally.
11:02But actually, you said about people, you know, who work outside all the time.
11:05Yeah, that was good, yeah.
11:06Well, that was the origin for it, for you, right?
11:08From my own experience, being in Groundworks,
11:11well, I fell into quite a lot of puddles.
11:13So I thought, well, your boots don't get dry.
11:15So I thought, if I had a shoe dryer at home, bang me boots on there.
11:18Nothing worse.
11:19We've got a soggy shoe.
11:20Yeah, banging your feet in a wet shoe next morning,
11:22setting up for a bad day.
11:23Mm-hm.
11:24But on there as well, they didn't show,
11:25but I run about dog walkers, people like to go walking.
11:28Ah.
11:29So I threw a few more in there than I did just Groundworks
11:32and my athlete's foot.
11:35The athlete's foot, yeah.
11:36It was the athlete's foot that did it.
11:37But it was like a sketch, kind of.
11:40I mean, I feel like if I was sitting at home,
11:43passively watching a shopping channel,
11:46I was back in the room, like I was awake.
11:48It was a surreal experience.
11:50I've never experienced that before.
11:51But when we did the training beforehand,
11:53I said to the woman, to the lady, I went,
11:55I felt a bit giddy on that one.
11:56Do I need to rein it in a little bit?
11:57She's like, no, that's perfect.
11:59So I thought, all right, fantastic.
12:00I'll keep that energy up then.
12:01She'll feed out.
12:02It was giddy on another level.
12:03Yeah.
12:04I loved the energy.
12:05Levi, the firing happened very quickly.
12:08Did it come as an extra shock off the back of last week,
12:12PM, and your win?
12:13So you were like, high, high, high, high, boom.
12:15Yeah, straight in.
12:16He didn't even let me.
12:17Slow sugar didn't even give me a chance to warm seat up.
12:19As soon as I put my bum down,
12:21he was like, right, you're gone.
12:22I'm like, oh, nice one.
12:23So yeah, it was a bit deflating with that one.
12:25But I had a feeling I was going to go, because one of you will be leaving.
12:30He made eye contact with me straight away.
12:32I thought, you've made your mind up here.
12:33Oh, did you?
12:34So I had a feeling that I was going to be going on that.
12:36So I'm sort of prepared.
12:37But yeah, it was a bit of a flat line, really, after winning on an eye.
12:41Yeah, that's tough.
12:42You had a couple of close calls, though.
12:45One of the most memorable for me was binning the parsley in Egypt.
12:50Okay. Had you genuinely never seen a bunch of parsley?
12:55Yeah, in shops. When I go to Tesco's or somewhere, I've seen it.
12:57But you just thought they, like, merchandised it upside down?
13:00Well, no. Well, it wasn't Priyash, because I don't do it.
13:03I can cook, but I don't enjoy cookies, so I don't cook.
13:06So Priyash went, cut that bit and throw it away.
13:10So I cut that bit and threw it away.
13:12But he didn't show it on that episode.
13:14I said to Priyash, Priyash, talk to me like I'm thick, mate.
13:18He must have been thinking, I already am.
13:21And it's not working.
13:24After that, Priyash would baffle. He's like, I am Levi.
13:30As a former military man, you're used to working with a team.
13:33Do you think, then, that you approach tasks differently
13:36to some of the others because of that background?
13:38I think I approached it compared to everybody, to be fair.
13:42Because to me... Differently.
13:43Yes, to me, it was the whole way through, up until week 10, it's a team task.
13:48If you're on that winning team, you put the people in the right places
13:50and your team win, you're in it till final.
13:54It's just when you get to the interviews, when it's about you and your business,
13:57and that's the thing I'm good about, because I knew I would have really excelled there.
14:00I know my business inside and out. I'm passionate.
14:03But, yeah, that's the mindset I had. We work as a team, put people in the right places.
14:06Let's get that win. And then we have to prove ourselves,
14:09step into situations that they're not professional in before,
14:12just to prove, if you know what I mean.
14:14Because I do think that's the thing. Some people are looking for kind of glory,
14:17looking to stand out early.
14:19But, and, you know, Lord Sugar referenced you,
14:22it's like you're like a plus one at the wedding at one point.
14:25It's like, maybe I'm just a puppeteer.
14:29Well, I'll be honest. I didn't realise how Yorkshire I actually sounded
14:33until I come down here. I know first.
14:35And I, thank you. And I wanted to do the pitching,
14:39but once I realised how northern I sounded, how Yorkshire I was,
14:43I thought, I'm not the right person to do any pitching.
14:45I thought, as soon as I start talking, people will be laughing
14:47when I'm trying to be serious. Oh, no.
14:49I don't agree at all. Yeah, not necessarily true.
14:52So I, like, took a bit of a step back with that one,
14:55where I'd like to have done the pitching, but I thought in myself,
14:57it was my own subconscious overthinking, really.
15:01I should have put myself out there, but I didn't. I'll just...
15:03Isn't this a funny thing? When it comes to pitching,
15:05we think that we've got to be, you know, really serious about it.
15:08But people love a northerner. Yeah.
15:10People warm to northerners. Like I said,
15:12it's quite a psychological process, isn't it? Yeah.
15:14You know, it's, you've got to kind of defeat that voice
15:16in your head sometimes and just be like,
15:17no, I'm the best person for this. Let me go for it, you know?
15:20Mm-hmm. Any favourite humans, Levi?
15:22I love, I love the dynamics.
15:23I love the house. I love all the, you know, stuff that...
15:26Oh, he's like... Mm.
15:27Well, yeah, there was a favourite human until gamified fitness.
15:31That would have been Lawrence.
15:33Okay. Yeah.
15:34He showed his true colours.
15:35Yeah, he were, he were nice.
15:37I liked the lad until that point.
15:40But, yeah. When you're out, you're out.
15:41Yeah, that's it. Then task A, when we have that talking back at taxi,
15:46we start to blossom again. And then, yeah, we were all right after that.
15:49Do you know what? I got on with everybody in the house.
15:52I sort of put myself in the house as like a dad role.
15:56I was always doing it with dishwasher or tidying up.
15:58I was always putting bins out.
16:00If people wanted to come and talk, have a talk in confining,
16:03so I wanted to come and ask me and speak to me.
16:05So you were the therapist as well?
16:05Yeah. Yeah, I just got on with everybody.
16:07Mm-hmm.
16:08It was nice. It was nice to meet everybody from different backgrounds
16:11and people that I would never meet in my life.
16:13See, you're a better man than I am.
16:15I know that being in a house with people for that long,
16:18especially when you've had like a bit of argument by argument with them
16:22in, you know, in the boardroom.
16:23It must be hard not to like take that back to the house.
16:26When you're at home eating chicken together,
16:27you're like glaring over the top.
16:29Are people quite good at like sort of letting it go
16:32after they've had a bit of an argument or anything?
16:35I think you've just got to be a bit of an adult about it.
16:38You've just got to realise it's part of the process.
16:40You've just got to get on with it and work together on that next task,
16:42which were nice because you got to see that with me and Laurencing back at car.
16:45Yeah.
16:46Like, don't get me wrong, we had a bit of a grudge.
16:48We didn't talk for 24 hours.
16:49We needed that bit of decompression.
16:51But then after that, we went back in car.
16:53You're edge back on task.
16:54That bygones are bygones.
16:56Let's just move forward with it.
16:57Well, you were a joy to watch and that TV selling will go down in history.
17:01Levi, thank you so much.
17:03Thank you for having me.
17:04Brilliant.
17:05Now, our next candidate put his blood, literal sweat and tears into TV selling,
17:10but unfortunately, he was price dropped straight out of the process.
17:14Let's remind ourselves of one of his more uplifting performances.
17:17Ladies and gentlemen, please keep arms and legs inside of the spacecraft
17:23as we get ready to blast off out of this world.
17:27Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to ask you to count down with me.
17:31Five, four, three, two, one.
17:37We have takeoff.
17:39Good.
17:40He's absolutely all smashing it.
17:41So many, so many, Jake.
17:43Yeah.
17:43Oh, no!
17:45Woo!
17:46We riot at dawn.
17:47We riot at dawn.
17:48Get me back there.
17:49Get me back.
17:50You looked in your element in a silver onesie.
17:54Yeah, I know.
17:55I had it especially tailored for my hips.
17:57But you know, I was like looking at that.
17:59I was like, that is me.
18:00Yeah.
18:00And that is me in my element where I'm comfortable.
18:03And I was like, there's different times where this competition brings out a little bit of
18:06insecurity.
18:07Yeah.
18:07And you check, you put up a guarded front.
18:10But when I knew I was going to shine or excel like that, I look at that and I was
18:13like, that's me.
18:14So the pitching, the entertainment, the corporate, like that's your...
18:17That's my gig.
18:18And I was like, I'm solely responsible for myself and my element.
18:22I knew what I'm going to do.
18:23I was like, I'm going to come here and harness and execute.
18:25Connie, you've just watched the TV selling task.
18:27Okay.
18:27How did you feel hearing that praise from Lord Sugar and Karen and Tim after you left?
18:34Emotional.
18:35I actually, I won't lie.
18:36Cause I was like that, that day I was so defeated.
18:39I was like, I cared so much about my team and I felt I left them down by not selling
18:46anything.
18:47And I was like, from the get go, I was like, oh, this could be my week.
18:50And Roth, Nadan, Levi, Kieran, I was like, I adore them all.
18:53And I was like, I sold nothing.
18:54I was just like, I deserve to go home.
18:57And I wish I had felt the same way about myself that they were saying to me.
19:01Yeah.
19:02So I actually went in there and fought for myself.
19:04Cause I was like looking at me, I was like, you can see my eyes are red.
19:06I was just, I was really upset and it's a shame that it ended like that.
19:11But I felt like I deserved to go that week.
19:13And if there's anything that you've learned in business is you can't be defeated.
19:17You have to bounce back.
19:19And I think I was defeated that week.
19:20So rightfully, I think actually Lord Sugar saw that.
19:23And if you're looking for a business partner,
19:24you don't want someone who gets defeated over not selling in a bad day.
19:27But she's bounced back quick, babe.
19:28But that's what, yeah.
19:30Do you know what I mean?
19:31Kieran made a deal with Lord Sugar.
19:33Okay.
19:33Yeah.
19:34So that he could stay and you declined to even have that conversation.
19:38It was kind of gently offered anybody else.
19:41Yeah.
19:42In hindsight, do you wish you'd have played that differently?
19:44Do I wish I did it differently?
19:46No.
19:47At that moment, I actually thought I was like, well, I'm not winning.
19:49So I was like, well, I'm not winning.
19:51And then I was like, actually, I give a hundred percent every week.
19:55I have the highest sales, highest negotiations called out for clients pitching.
19:58I have shown you week after week.
20:00And I was like, if I'm going to progress in this competition,
20:02I want it to be based on merit.
20:04And I stood by that in that moment.
20:06Do I wish I got through to next week if I had said that?
20:09Yeah, of course, I'd like to see where it went.
20:10But I'm happy that I stuck to my morals and left.
20:14I thought it was quite punchy as well.
20:16Me too.
20:16It had sass.
20:18Yeah.
20:18You were like, no, I don't need to do that.
20:19Mm-mm.
20:20I don't need to beg.
20:22You were self-assured.
20:22And I do think there was a moment where I thought, oh, yeah, he's just exposed.
20:27Kieran is a bit beggy.
20:28Yeah.
20:28I don't think it's, I think this might go in your favor is what I thought.
20:32I thought that I had shown enough throughout the process to be considered investable in.
20:35Mm.
20:36And I kind of said, I was like, well, if I go through to next week,
20:38I'm going to see the same again.
20:39I was like, I'm going to try and smash it out of the park again.
20:41Yeah.
20:41If you want to see that, take me through.
20:43But I was like, I can make this offer for you if you want.
20:45But that is not why I want to think that I'm brought through.
20:48Mm-hmm.
20:49In hindsight, I really wish you had, you know, because I'm like, yeah, Kieran, he fought.
20:53But now having met you here, it's like, I would love for you.
20:56I would love to bring this up because me and Kieran have the best chemistry.
20:59Chalk and cheese.
21:00Yeah.
21:01Chalk and cheese, but in the best way.
21:02Yeah.
21:03I would have loved to have gone against him.
21:05Like in week eight, the previous week, we had such banter going.
21:07I was like, lads, day out.
21:09You were having drinks.
21:10Yeah.
21:10And he's well able to throw it back.
21:11And it's so respectful.
21:13Yeah.
21:13I adore him.
21:14Episodes one and two, couldn't stand the man.
21:18There is no character arc more impressive than his.
21:22I really adore him.
21:23And like with him this PM next week, I hope he fails.
21:26But part of me hope is he wins.
21:31The core circuit machine, Conor.
21:33I mean, I'm sure it keeps you awake at night.
21:35Okay.
21:35Yeah.
21:36Didn't get any sales.
21:38Right.
21:39And Karen thought maybe it was because it looked too hard.
21:42You were like, I'm a fit, bro.
21:43I don't regret showing the product can be challenging.
21:48Because I think sometimes with a product like this, you think it may be gimmicky.
21:51Or I might go, come and go.
21:53So I don't actually regret my technique, nor how difficult I made it appear.
21:57I also think it was challenging.
21:59Interesting.
21:59Because you were wearing shoes, a waistcoat, and a little floppy tie.
22:04Yeah.
22:04And there was no room to breathe with those trousers.
22:06Those trousers, Conor.
22:08I was like, did you see me thrusting?
22:09Yeah, I did.
22:11Everyone saw you thrusting.
22:12Yeah, yeah.
22:14Link in bio.
22:15Do you think that's where it went wrong?
22:19Well, let's see how the DMs are after this.
22:21Maybe that's where it went right.
22:25Trey, Lauren, what did you make of Conor's selling technique?
22:29I think it was actually a good selling technique, but just maybe not with, you know, 70 year old Ethel
22:36in mind.
22:36And maybe that is perhaps more of the kind of person that's at home watching than like you said, the
22:43gym bros who are actually down the gym.
22:45So I kind of, I saw the vision and I saw the passion and I don't think you look defeated.
22:49I really thought you were giving it a good go.
22:51You were adamant that the product selection was key, you know, obviously.
22:56But did it feel like you went with products that teammates just were kind of excited about rather than thinking
23:02about what can we sell, sell, sell?
23:05So I would be very emotionally based and kind of storytelling based.
23:09And I wanted them to have products that they felt comfortable in selling and selling a story.
23:12So with Levi, he had the story about his work boots.
23:15With Ciaran, he was like, yeah, I use a yoga mat all the time, but I can't flex those hips
23:18for anything.
23:19So that's what I wanted them to be grounded in a story on the product.
23:23So no, no.
23:25I mean, I could have and won, but I don't regret the choices I've made.
23:27No mercy. I love this.
23:29I do think that you had, and you showed it through eight, this kind of ability to zoom out almost
23:37and see what was going on to kind of question.
23:41Some people thought maybe it was a little, you know, like you were getting stuck in when somebody else was
23:44PM.
23:45Yeah.
23:45But that actually you were saying, have you considered this?
23:48Like you were kind of able to anticipate potential problems.
23:53Was that easier to do when you weren't PM?
23:57It's interesting because I was never going to be one who was going to be quiet and not take part.
24:01I wanted to be there from the front.
24:03I felt like I had something to prove from the get go because this is my energy.
24:05Then when it came to leadership and being PM, I did feel like I was like,
24:10oh, I actually do care about everyone else.
24:11And I probably wanted their approval rather than actually grabbing the bull by the horns
24:15and making the correct decisions.
24:16So again, a great learning from this.
24:18I lost as PM twice and once as sub PM.
24:20So I'm a terrible project manager.
24:22What was the biggest thing that you will take from the process?
24:26Looking back at the whole series, I was like, I just wish I was this version of myself the whole
24:30time.
24:30And you saw different moments that I excelled when I was like this or outselling and performing.
24:35And even the boardroom, I'm like, oh my God, who's that guy with red eyes crying?
24:38And I was like, I had so much built up energy that I was maybe conserving or performing a
24:44more refined version of myself.
24:46And I wish I just gave glamour.
24:50I wish Diva Supreme had entered the building.
24:53Do you know what I mean?
24:54Oh my God, I wish Diva Supreme had entered the building too.
24:57It's such a shame that we didn't get this version of you.
25:00I loved it.
25:01Either way, this whole situation.
25:04Thank you so much, Connor.
25:06You're an absolute dream.
25:07An absolute dream.
25:08I can't wait to see what you do.
25:09Well, it is time now to press play on this week's boardroom bangers as our guests reveal
25:14the songs that they feel sum up the task of the week.
25:18Lauren, what have you gone with?
25:19Okay, so it's always my favourite part of The Apprentice when you see Lord Sugar at home,
25:25wearing his slippers and his little casual polo shirt, watching the shopping challenge.
25:31I just think it's hilarious.
25:32And so I've gone for this because he's always...
25:38Oh, that's a bit of you.
25:43Great choice.
25:44Great choice.
25:46God, I haven't heard the tune.
25:47It's the right tune, isn't it?
25:48Oh, lovely.
25:50Trey, what have you gone for?
25:51I've gone for a tribute to the fact that in the gallery, when we did it,
25:56it was so much pandemonium and noise.
25:58But for these guys, it was so quiet.
26:00So I've gone for this.
26:03It's oh so quiet.
26:10It's oh so stable.
26:12It's like reverential.
26:16It's dropping the price.
26:19It's so quiet.
26:20It's dropping the price.
26:20Don't drop the price.
26:21You were a bit quiet at times in that gallery.
26:24I said no one ever.
26:25Yeah, we're so quiet now.
26:27It is time to look ahead to our next task, where our candidates will be designing products
26:32for pets.
26:34Here's an exclusive clip.
26:35What do cats like?
26:36Do you have any idea?
26:37Because I'm not actually sure.
26:38Do they have like anything and everything or?
26:42I don't...
26:43My knowledge on that is very little.
26:44So then I don't want retailers to say...
26:47We've got the mouse.
26:47Oh, they like cheese.
26:49That's mouse, right?
26:51Yeah, mouse.
26:52Love cheese.
26:53But the cat will be at the top, chilling.
26:55Why would you...
26:56Oh, yeah.
26:57What does a cat like?
26:59What toys can...
27:01Cats don't really like to play with many toys, to be honest.
27:05Apple.
27:07Fruit fits in with tree.
27:09I think stick with the fruit idea.
27:11So basically just apple and a banana.
27:16Everyone knows they love bananas.
27:18That's going to be chaos.
27:20I mean, they're livid when they don't get the five a day.
27:24Not a small task, to be fair, because they've got a product
27:27to create and a brand under pressure at this stage in the competition.
27:33Where do you even start?
27:34Again, I think at this time now, like I say, I've always said it psychologically.
27:38You've got to be thinking, we're going to win it.
27:40This is the only mindset you've got to have.
27:42You've got to have that conviction because it's so difficult.
27:44So many moving pieces, so many variables.
27:46And you do have to play really as a team at this stage.
27:49Forget the individual.
27:50As a team, you want to win.
27:51Because whoever wins, into that final.
27:54Well, it's been a joy.
27:55That is it for today.
27:56Thank you so much, Conor, Trey and Lauren.
27:59Don't forget to tune in next time for more Unfinished Business on BBC Two,
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