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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to The Apprentice Unfinished Business,
00:03your weekly one-stop shop for insight, gossip and analysis after the finger of doom has fallen.
00:10Now, a word of warning, if you haven't watched episode two, then what on earth are you doing here?
00:14Head over to iPlayer immediately to watch the show and save yourself a boatload of spoilers.
00:20Coming up, I'll have an exclusive chat with fired candidate Marcus,
00:24I get a free business lesson from the big man himself, Lord Sugar,
00:27and I'll be joined by special guests, the Baroness Karen Brady and Will Best
00:33as we discuss heroes, villains and dramatic plot twists.
00:37This is Unfinished Business.
00:43Karen and Will, welcome to Unfinished Business.
00:46Thank you for having us.
00:4720 years in, Karen, can you quite believe it? What has changed in your mind?
00:52I guess what's really changed is the level of complexity around the tasks.
01:00I mean, in the first series, it was, here's some flowers, go sell them.
01:05Now it's make a logo, build an advertising campaign, do a bouquet, meet a corporate client.
01:12There's a lot more to it because the stakes are much higher because you're getting £250,000 of his money
01:17and you're getting him as a business partner and a mentor.
01:21Has the calibre of candidate changed?
01:24Do you think people have got better or, basically, is it a metaphor for society
01:28and are we all getting more stupid or are we getting more stupid?
01:31We're all rude off the bat.
01:33I think the candidates have changed because in the early days you were looking for a job.
01:39Now, you have to have a business.
01:42So you have to have, either have started a business in its early formation,
01:47you have to have an idea for a business that is credible,
01:50or you have to have a business that you want the ability to grow.
01:55So you need the help to help it grow.
01:58So you're getting a different calibre of people because they're not the kind of people
02:02that want to work for somebody.
02:04They need the money.
02:05They need more than the money, actually.
02:07They need Alan to help them navigate the growth and the success of their business.
02:11So entrepreneurial elite, just untapped.
02:14Yes.
02:15And that's actually what they were called at the very beginning, weren't they?
02:17There you go.
02:18This group of candidates are Britain's entrepreneurial elite.
02:22Cut to.
02:24The second task, they're asked to come up with a children's storybook for four to six-year-olds.
02:30After a dire week, I think it's fair to say, first week,
02:34there was an awful lot to prove, wasn't there?
02:36What did you both make generally of this?
02:39It sounds like, you know, child's play, really.
02:42I mean, you're right.
02:43They did have a lot to prove.
02:46The week one was up there with some of the most shambolic scenes I think we've had on the show.
02:52But I love, I love a creative task because there are so many opportunities for calamity and for people to make really glaring, obvious errors that as a viewer, you're watching and being like, surely don't make it look like that or say that.
03:09And that's exactly what they do.
03:11On this particular task, there's some really key things about this.
03:15One, you have to stick to deadlines because the book has to physically go to the printers, be published, to be issued the next day so you can present it to the retailers.
03:25So there are hard outs, which is why I'm saying to them, you've only got 10 minutes.
03:30I'm not saying it because I want to make their life more difficult.
03:32I'm saying because if it doesn't get to the printers, they just wouldn't have had a book.
03:36I feel like you were giving them a lifeline and they were just flapping in the wind, frankly.
03:42Yeah.
03:43You seemed very frustrated at that point.
03:45I mean, you've been sitting there for a long time, I'd assume.
03:47Well, I think, yes, many hours.
03:49But I think what was more frustrating is they actually had a really good idea and they didn't execute it very well because they didn't set out with a, this is what we need to do in order of priority to get it done in the time.
04:03But at least they had something on every page.
04:05They did.
04:06We'll get to that later.
04:07I mean, the fact that they kind of let time slip away feels like maybe we've seen that before.
04:13Something we haven't seen before was the shocker in the boardroom at the end where Marcus chucked the real book over his shoulder and asked for a one-to-one with Lord Shooker.
04:23Did you see that one coming?
04:25Alan doesn't like that.
04:26You know, he accepts that he doesn't mind people changing their mind and he doesn't mind people owning up their mistakes.
04:33But it does show.
04:36He did say, I want to show you what a proper project manager is like.
04:39And being a project manager is also about leadership and being decisive.
04:44And he proved he couldn't make a decision.
04:46So it's quite difficult.
04:48And also then he wanted to swap someone out as opposed to bring someone else in.
04:53And then that all gets a bit messy.
04:56I'm a mum of three and seven-year-olds.
04:57I was obsessed, right, with this task, with the potential for this task, with the potential to see some very creative people let rip.
05:05But Karen, from a business perspective, what is this task, you know, kind of testing?
05:10I think it's testing their creativity.
05:14It's testing their ability to work together, to stick to deadlines, to produce something that you can sell, to stand behind it.
05:22And, of course, then being able to pitch it.
05:24Because whatever product you have, you are responsible for it and you have to stand up, you have to pitch it and you have to sell it.
05:30So it's testing a number of different things.
05:32Look, is he expecting a Sunday Times bestselling author to merge?
05:37No, but what he is seeing is what can you do within the skill set that you have?
05:42And as a project manager, can you guide people into the right place?
05:46But actually, the really successful tasks are the ones where someone knows a little bit about it, understands the subject matter,
05:54but more importantly, has the ability to put people in the right place so everybody's making a contribution.
06:00But when Marcus, when he made Kieran the sub-team leader and then Dan, in a wonderfully pass-ag way, said,
06:09oh, so what are you basing that decision on?
06:11Does he have his own design company?
06:13Because I do.
06:14And then Marcus completely ignored that and was like, yeah, you can just, you just sit there and I'm going to stick with my decision.
06:21It was a gentle rallying for position.
06:23To my mind, certainly, Andrea was so confident about her ability to do this task and yet didn't listen to anybody.
06:35Well, she had this sort of, the mum of five came out a little bit, didn't it?
06:40I mean, she had sort of five people around her and she was quite keen on keeping them all in check,
06:44as you do with when you've got five kids.
06:47It doesn't quite happen like that.
06:48I think the star of this particular task on the ladies' team was Karishma.
06:52She designed the zebra.
06:54She pulled the illustrations together.
06:57She gets on with people.
06:58And I thought she really shined.
07:00I mean, it was that little animal that the kids loved, that the retailers loved.
07:05And actually, I thought the illustrations were good.
07:07I mean, you could buy that book.
07:09You might not make sense of the story.
07:12That's a whole other conversation.
07:14Were you team Zabori or team Astro?
07:17I was very much team Zabori.
07:20And you're right.
07:21I could imagine that little character having a Pixar film of his own.
07:25Like, he was really great.
07:26Team Astro, though, it was quite, I was almost quite disappointed that, like,
07:33the blokes sort of showed themselves to be so...
07:36Basic.
07:37Basic.
07:38And they thought they were absolutely hilarious.
07:41When they were in the car and Connor was like, fill up the sales poop line.
07:46And then one of them was like, one, two, three, poo.
07:49Team poo.
07:49That's not even a pun.
07:51It's not a joke.
07:52Like, just, they were, they found it a lot funnier than the four-year-olds that they were trying to sell to.
07:56Yeah.
07:56They sort of oversimplified it to the point of it meant absolutely nothing at all.
08:01I think, to be fair to them, other than Marcus, I don't think any of them got any kids.
08:07So their idea of a four- to six-year-old is probably a two- to three-year-old.
08:12Right.
08:12Because actually, four- to six-year-olds are actually quite sophisticated.
08:16They do read.
08:17Yeah.
08:17They know what books they like.
08:18They know what's funny.
08:20The word poo might be funny, but just poo, poo, poo, poo, poo is not funny.
08:25Let's cut to the pitches.
08:26Because often, that's the saviour, right?
08:28Andrea looked absolutely killer.
08:31Bopping in in her little cat suit.
08:33She looked good.
08:33Okay.
08:34But kind of stumbled as soon as she started.
08:39You, Karen, from the off, looked less than impressed.
08:42She decided to open the pitch when she's not a natural pitcher.
08:47As a good leader of people, you have to forsake the limelight, the interrupting, the hearing your own voice all the time to allow somebody else to shine because they're better at it.
08:58Sure.
08:58Because actually, Connor is a great pitcher in the boys' team.
09:03Their pitch was much better, but they had a terrible product.
09:06Our pitch, the ladies' pitch, wasn't very good, but they had a good product.
09:10So, it shows you the product always wins through.
09:12It's never, you could do a great pitch, but people are not going to buy a bad product.
09:16And you can pitch badly a good product, but people still want the product.
09:19But actually, if the pitch had been a bit more engaging.
09:23And the story is there.
09:24And the story had been engaging, they would have got a lot more audits.
09:27But I did feel for her.
09:28What is the difference, Karen, between leadership and management?
09:32Because it felt like that started to, you know, we could see the cracks.
09:37Well, look, management is about setting out a series of goals and managing people to deliver those goals.
09:45It's very important, but it's not leadership.
09:47Leadership is about vision.
09:50And sometimes it's a vision only you can see.
09:52And good leaders persuade people to buy into their vision and help them deliver it.
09:58So, leadership is about, you know, much more than managing people to do day-to-day tasks.
10:03It's about having a vision, having the ability to persuade, to communicate, to get people to understand your vision.
10:11And more importantly, get them to help you achieve it.
10:15Well, to buy into it.
10:16Yes, exactly.
10:16I think of the, you know, entrepreneur as kind of an ego, like a front-facing.
10:21But actually, the people who execute need to want that success.
10:26And that's why confidence, communication, values, purpose, trust, those are all key ingredients of leadership.
10:37That can be part of management, but they have a much more elevated status.
10:43Well, one man that knows a thing or two about leadership is Lord Sugar.
10:46He also knows about bestsellers and Bob Roll.
10:49Now, he has not blocked me yet.
10:52Wow.
10:52He followed me on Instagram.
10:53Did he really?
10:54He did.
10:55It was a moment.
10:56And we've been exchanging voice memos.
10:59But he had some ideas about how this week's task could have been, you know, executed maybe a little better.
11:08Now, Angela, I set them this task because I wanted to see how they handled, actually created something.
11:15Now, the boys, however, got far too carried away with how funny they thought they were going to be.
11:21It doesn't matter what you find funny.
11:25You have to keep the reader in mind.
11:27And the boys went too far with the toilet humour and even the five-year-olds weren't impressed.
11:36Not good.
11:37Still no goodbye.
11:41Karen, fair point?
11:42100%.
11:43Yeah.
11:43100%.
11:44You're creating the book not for yourself, but for the customer who will be the parents of the child and the child themselves.
11:53And the parents will only buy that book, one, if it's appropriate, two, if the child likes it, and three, if the child can learn something from it or enjoy it to the point where they want to read it again.
12:03Yeah.
12:03But with the missing pages, the lack of storyline, it wasn't good.
12:07That's a very gentle assessment.
12:10It is time to meet the third candidate now to be fired.
12:13Marcus made a bold boardroom move, but his hopes of joining Lord Sugar were absolutely flushed away.
12:19In an instant, let's remind ourselves of his firing moment.
12:23Marcus, you claim they could show me what a proper PM looks like.
12:30Well, I've got to tell you, you ain't shown me nothing.
12:32But, Kieran, I think it is regretful that there's an attitude about you and whether you could be one of my business partners.
12:48But having said that, I'm going to conclude today that, Marcus, you're fired.
12:58Thank you, Michelle.
13:02Marcus, welcome to Unfinished Business.
13:11Okay, shall we get things moving?
13:13A book all about poo.
13:15For the non-parents out there, Marcus, please explain.
13:20So, the whole concept of the book was to essentially potty train, you know, kids in a very humorous way.
13:29Was it?
13:30It was.
13:30I think that's a bit of hindsight.
13:33I mean, yeah.
13:34But it's, I mean, the encouragement.
13:36We've seen a bit more for foresight.
13:38Yeah.
13:39A bit more for foresight.
13:39I should have really sort of like delved into the essence of, you know, the training, the kids essentially.
13:49It's for when you potty train.
13:51Is that?
13:51A bit earlier than that.
13:52Yeah.
13:53A bit earlier than that.
13:54But there are sort of a lot of kids still, you know, between the age of like, let's say three to six.
14:01So, and that, do you need some more support with potty training?
14:04You've had a long time to think about this, haven't you?
14:06You really love you.
14:06I was like, I've never heard this in the boardroom.
14:09I know, I couldn't sleep.
14:10It's been, yeah.
14:11So Astro was quite the, like, skilled trainer?
14:16Yeah.
14:17All right.
14:18I'm going to be totally honest.
14:18It wasn't my idea.
14:19It wasn't my idea.
14:21Whose idea was it?
14:21I actually missed who first said he's doing a poo.
14:24Like, let's make it about poo.
14:26Whose idea was that?
14:27It was the amazing Connor.
14:29Right.
14:30And Harry's initial idea of presenting a giraffe that, you know, goes into space to learn about poo would have made it a bit more, a bit less like vulgar instead of a national, if that makes sense.
14:44Yeah, that's what you mean.
14:45Yeah, but yeah.
14:46Where do you think it went wrong?
14:48I mean, how long have we got?
14:49But where do you think it went wrong?
14:51So if I'm being honest, Dan, right?
14:56Whoa.
14:57Yeah.
14:57Whoa, whoa, whoa.
14:58Do you know what?
14:59Lovely guy, you know, has done amazing with his business, but he did not pull his weight in any way, shape or form.
15:07From watching it, from my takeaway was Dan didn't really do anything wrong.
15:11Dan tried to have input and he gave his ideas and everything he said was completely ignored.
15:17Dan wasn't supporting his ideas.
15:20He would present it, but he would present it in a way where it's like, I'm going to leave it to you.
15:24If it goes wrong, I'm not to blame.
15:27He didn't actually contribute as much as he should have.
15:30And when speaking to the rest of the team members, he essentially was waiting for Kieran to fail.
15:35Oh, I have to, I find that very hard to believe because actually if Kieran fails, he fails.
15:42I mean, do you think maybe, Marcus, it's because he's not as big a character and he doesn't over talk people and he doesn't keep interrupting and he doesn't just want to hear his own voice that maybe he lost a bit of confidence in trying to get his point across.
16:00Could it be that as well?
16:02So, yes, to a certain degree.
16:05I feel as though the bickering between him and Kieran was excessive.
16:08So I said, all right, cool.
16:09And bring Dan onto my team, supervise him, encourage him, help him because Kieran wasn't doing that.
16:13And I wanted to give him a space to present himself in a positive light, which is what you did very well.
16:18It kind of felt like he was on the naughty step.
16:19Yeah, it did a bit.
16:20It didn't seem encouraging.
16:21I didn't mean to him, I'm bringing you so I could keep my arm.
16:23Yeah.
16:24Because, do you know what?
16:26My first impressions of him on the first task was terrible.
16:29So why did you change your mind then?
16:31Why did you want to send Dan back and bring in Priyash?
16:35You've changed your mind again, Marcus.
16:37So the boardroom is intense.
16:39Very, very intense.
16:40Like, you don't have time to think.
16:42You've got someone saying something there, someone saying something here.
16:45Sub team, I wasn't on the sub team.
16:47I don't know what's going on there.
16:49I'm hearing what they're saying.
16:50I'm trying to register it, process it, because that's not what was told to me earlier.
16:54I'm hearing new points being presented.
16:56Then, when I actually heard that Priyash didn't do much, I'm like, oh, went back, sat down in the waiting room.
17:04And I was like, oh, my goodness.
17:05Priyash didn't do nothing.
17:06Well, he almost sold 50,000 books.
17:08Yeah, almost sold 50,000 books.
17:10Why would you even come up with that figure?
17:12He dreamed big.
17:13He was aiming for the stars, like Astro.
17:15Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
17:16Yeah, but, yeah, no, I was, I thought, but I was like, no, yeah, Priyash, you've got to come back as well.
17:22So, in the boardroom, I fought to bring all three of them back.
17:27But I said, all right, cool, let me pick the two that I was originally going to pick.
17:30Went back out, said, all right, cool, let me actually just swap out Dan for Priyash.
17:37Because, essentially, Dan didn't do much, but Kieran was a sub-team leader, so he needs to be here.
17:43And Priyash didn't do much as well, so you need to be here as well.
17:46And Dan, you know, I'll extend the grace, courtesy, you can go back.
17:50And so, when Lord Sugar then said, we're all coming back, I was like, ah, yeah, it's about to go down.
17:55Let's talk about this task and the reality for you of the expectation of being project manager and how it played out.
18:04Yeah, me being project manager, I expected to go in, you know, manage the team well.
18:11There were a lot of big characters, big personalities that I had to manage.
18:15But I am someone that I feel as though, no matter how big your personality is or small your personality is,
18:19you can contribute something to the team.
18:21I feel as though my delegation, I delegated pretty well.
18:24I feel as though I gave, you know, people another chance, i.e. Kieran, for them to really show themselves.
18:31He let me down.
18:32And I feel as though the onus does fall back on me.
18:36This will have been the first time you saw the sub team and how they kind of played out.
18:41You'll have heard murmurings, obviously, and you had to intercept at points.
18:45The market research, what did you make of that?
18:50Because it felt like the kids were absolutely, brutally honest about the book.
18:56Shall we remind ourselves quickly?
18:57OK, I saw a few smiles here and there.
19:01But what did people think of the adventure that Astro went on?
19:04Sure, it isn't that funny.
19:06Oh, OK.
19:07OK.
19:07Did you not find it very funny?
19:10No.
19:11Do you want to hear it one more time?
19:14No.
19:14Wow.
19:15OK, that's OK.
19:17Savage, but also bang on, to be fair.
19:19They are definitely my unsung heroes of the week, those kids.
19:24And why did you choose, Marcus?
19:27Because this felt like a kind of pivotal point to absolutely ignore that pretty definitive feedback, negative feedback.
19:36As Rajan said, you can't polish a turd, but you can try.
19:40I wanted to ignore the negative comments because essentially that's not going to contribute to, if we're presenting the pitch, presenting the negative points won't help.
19:49I tell you, I tell you what is important.
19:51It's important to listen to the negative things because you can prepare what you might say if you're asked that in a pitch.
19:59And you were asked that.
20:01You were told, actually, it's not very funny.
20:04Actually, it doesn't have much of a storyline.
20:07Actually, there's pages missing.
20:10All of the reason you live there is not to depress yourself or put yourself into a tailspin of doom.
20:16It's to think, right, if these are observations that were made by four to six-year-olds, they're going to be observations made about the product.
20:23If I know what my response can be to overcome some of those, I can prepare a better answer as opposed to just hoping it's not mentioned.
20:34Yeah, I definitely agree.
20:37And Baroness Brady, you have a lot more expertise than myself.
20:41I'm just saying for future, so you know, just for future.
20:44You can't rewind the movie, you can't go back, but for future, it's important to know the negatives so you can prepare for them when the time matters.
20:54You had literally just moved yourself in, Marcus.
20:57Was it hard to say goodbye to, you know, these kind of bonds get formed very quickly?
21:03I think, do you know what?
21:05At the end of the day, people need to get fired.
21:07Someone needs to get fired every week.
21:08I mean, so getting fired wasn't the hardest part.
21:11The hardest part was the relationships I built, having to just completely walk away from, you know, some of the, a lot, 90% of them.
21:19In fact, 100% of them, I'll call my friends, especially in particular, someone like Harry.
21:23Me and Harry bonded, so he actually packed my bags for me and brought down, yeah.
21:27Was it Harry who suggested that the final planet is Uranus?
21:31No.
21:32Oh, Lawrence as well.
21:33Oh, that was Lawrence.
21:33Lawrence as well.
21:34What a lie.
21:35What a lie.
21:35I don't know.
21:36I'm not sure.
21:37I quite enjoyed that.
21:38Not quite the age range, but, you know, nice playing words.
21:44We actually have a little section here called Boardroom Bangers.
21:48Will, what have you gone for?
21:50It's something that, you know, reminds you of the task.
21:52A little emotional recap.
21:54Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:54I've gone pretty route one.
21:56It's Natasha Bedingfield unwritten in homage to the section of your wonderful book that wasn't finished.
22:04At the day you aged before you, open up a dirty window.
22:08Yeah, back on, yeah, back on.
22:10Very good.
22:11The words you can't find, the pictures that you couldn't find in your case, but it's a beautiful song.
22:17Karen?
22:18Well, I'm showing my age.
22:21I've never heard that song that just played.
22:23Natasha Bedingfield unwritten.
22:24I've never heard of her, never heard of the song.
22:26It was terrible, terrible, terrible.
22:27It was a moment in time.
22:28If it's not on the news, I don't know about it, but I've dug back into my distant memories of music
22:36and I have gone with Bucks Fizz, Making Your Mind Tud.
22:39Oh.
22:42Yes.
22:44Is that personally aimed at Marcus?
22:46Agent Marcus.
22:47I need to write this down.
22:48Yeah.
22:49You do.
22:49You need to play it every morning.
22:51Dan.
22:53Riesch.
22:54Dan.
22:54But that is week two, in the bag.
22:57Now, next week, the candidates are flogging food and honestly, I can already smell the panic.
23:03It's chicken versus eggs and I've feathered my nest with an exclusive clip for us.
23:08Listen, according to my calculations, we need about 14 grams of flour.
23:1214 grams or 14 kilograms?
23:1414 kilograms.
23:15Because 1.5 kilograms of flour equals 10 portions.
23:18So 8 times 1 is 8 and 8 times...
23:22OK, maybe...
23:23Yeah, I may.
23:23Listen, we've got a guy with a maths degree here, so we shouldn't be making any mistakes.
23:28Oh, my God.
23:30Which one has the maths degree?
23:33Briesh.
23:34Briesh has a maths degree.
23:35The worst thing of all is that they all work...
23:40It's a very, very simple recipe that you have to scale up to the amount that you want.
23:44It's not complicated.
23:47All of them came to a different number.
23:49Oh, God.
23:50They literally all came to a different number and they didn't trust the guy with the maths
23:55degree and they were all wrong.
23:56They all got the number wrong.
23:57Oh, no.
23:58I can't wait.
23:59I cannot wait.
24:00And that isn't...
24:01That isn't even the worst.
24:03Oh.
24:03You could have been.
24:04Not by a long one.
24:04This is not by a long one.
24:07So what skills is Lord Sugar looking for from the candidates in a task like this?
24:13He's not interested in their cooking skills.
24:15He's interested in their ability to throw them a curveball.
24:18Can they work together as a team in the kitchen?
24:20Can they order the right ingredients?
24:21Can they get the cross price right?
24:23Can they sell at a profit?
24:25Can they add?
24:25Can they convince a corporate client to buy into their, you know, into their concept and
24:32can they deliver it all on time?
24:34Because if they want, you know, these things are, you saw at the beginning of this episode,
24:39it says it's 4 a.m. or 4.30 a.m.
24:41It really is that time in the morning.
24:43And we have to get up early because you've got to get the ingredients, go to the kitchen,
24:48make the food.
24:49Yeah, that's...
24:50Right, the eggs are delivered.
24:50Make the food.
24:52Cook the food.
24:53Get the food for the lunchtime trade.
24:56And it finishes at the end of the day.
24:58So...
24:58You know what I love about that clip, though?
25:00That show...
25:00I do think this is the hardest show on TV.
25:02And I have so much respect for anyone who will put themselves through it and go on it.
25:07Because you have somebody with a maths degree who, in that moment, cannot do 8 times 1.5.
25:15I mean, it's...
25:16Well, you do it.
25:16What's 8 times 1.5?
25:17Well, it would be 12.
25:19How would you get on at this task, Will?
25:22Well, I...
25:23If it is that end of the task, then I could do it.
25:26Yeah.
25:26Look, I would say it's hard.
25:28It is tough.
25:29You've done it.
25:30Actually, you know, Marcus.
25:31I made it look easy.
25:31I think you're looking...
25:32It is tough.
25:33But there's two things I would say.
25:35One, it's so worth it.
25:39Because one person gets the money, gets the mentorship, and lives their dream.
25:43If you're an entrepreneur, all you need is the money.
25:46You have the idea.
25:47You have the energy.
25:48You need the money to get going.
25:50And it's very difficult to go into a bank.
25:52Not only do you get the money, but you get the mentorship.
25:54It's so, so life-changing.
25:57And we've seen previous winners do great things.
26:00And the other thing is it teaches you a lot about yourself.
26:03You learn things.
26:04You realise there's things you can do that you never would have tried, that you never
26:11would have done.
26:12And sometimes you work out, you're actually pretty good at these things.
26:14And that gives you confidence, and it gives you life skills, and you meet new people,
26:18and you discover things about yourself.
26:20Like an MBA, it's a crash course.
26:20It is, yes.
26:21Yeah, definitely waking up early.
26:22I didn't know I could wake up that early.
26:23That was, yeah.
26:24Even with a little boy.
26:25A new skill.
26:25Yeah.
26:25Will, who's your money on at this early stage?
26:30Oh, wow.
26:31I'm looking forward to seeing Kieran, like, grow and develop, right?
26:34He's a bit sexy, isn't he?
26:36There's that.
26:37He's got a fantastic head of hair.
26:39And I, for one, currently, am very jealous of that.
26:42But he, he, I struggled with him throughout the episode, and then at the end, I think
26:46we saw a kind of softer side.
26:48I think it was interesting that you said Karishma was really good in that task, because I think
26:52there's definitely more to see from her.
26:53And I felt so sorry for Pasha, just sort of, it seemed to me like she was trying to, she's
26:59fairly bright, she's quite, and I mean this as a compliment, normal.
27:03She was just kind of trying to interact in a normal way and being shut down.
27:07So I think if she is, you know, given the room to develop a bit, I think those three
27:11could be, could make it to the, could make it to the end.
27:14Very good.
27:15Well, thank you so much for joining me.
27:17And thank you, Marcus.
27:18Best of luck with everything.
27:20Thank you very much.
27:20Good luck, Marcus.
27:20Appreciate it.
27:21Thank you to our fired candidate, Marcus, for joining us.
27:24And of course, to Baroness Karen Brady and Will Best.
27:28And if you think you have what it takes to be Lord Sugar's next business partner, applications
27:33are still open for Series 21.
27:35For more details, head over to bbc.co.uk forward slash apprentice.
27:39Join me next week for what I'm sure will be an absolutely cracking task.
27:44I'm Angela Scanlon.
27:45Goodbye.
27:50The Six Nations is underway here.
27:52The profile of golden boy Lewis Rees-Samit returning from the NFL.
27:57That's on BBC Sounds.
27:59And for plenty of chat ahead of the game against England, catch up on Scrum 5, the warm-up.
28:04That's on iPlayer.
28:05The Six Nations is underway.
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