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Watch Memory of a Killer Season 1 Episode 2 (2023), the latest installment of the gripping crime thriller series. Dive into the intense storyline and unravel the mysteries in this full episode. Perfect for fans of crime dramas and suspense.
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01:00Actually I did it. Casual as you like.
01:05I would suggest that anybody who has an affair will always think they'd be better off without their partner.
01:12I do believe that thoughts of murder are immediately connected to that.
01:17Wealthy, middle class, from that sort of Bible belt of Northern Ireland, preaching the church on a Sunday and planning
01:23a double murder.
01:27I'd agreed that what I would do would be that I would pipe the fumes of the car from the
01:31garage into the house.
01:35The full confession, every bit of detail, and then every bit of detail on Hazel Stewart.
01:42Hazel's role then was to clear up and I gave her the hose pipe and she cut it into sections
01:45and burnt it in the fire to get rid of that part of it.
01:49This was all my idea with which she cooperated.
01:53What turns a Sunday school teacher into someone who's an accomplice to a double killing?
01:59Why did it stay secret for so long?
02:02And what really is the story behind this story?
02:26When I first decided to come here, I believed it was the right thing to do.
02:34I knew it would be big.
02:37I didn't have the vision to see how big it would be.
03:01I started the engine and left the garage.
03:08I remember running to Long Beach and Castle Rock.
03:16Got my bicycle and cycled home.
03:22The next morning I waited, it was a Sunday morning.
03:36I remember phoning Antrim police, traffic police I think it was, or Palomino traffic,
03:44and asking, have there been any accidents reported?
03:48Because I was beginning to fabricate an idea that I was alarmed that Leslie wasn't present,
03:54so that was the next part of my thought, which was a spontaneous idea.
03:59I didn't pre-think that one, although I planned it.
04:01Most things, everything she was saying, I phoned, and I said no, there's nothing reported.
04:11So I did, so I did that again as a cover, just, why would I get up?
04:16I also phoned, and I'll do it in the Baptist church.
04:20I said, something like, Leslie's gone missing.
04:25She left last night, and she had taken alcohol, and I was concerned.
04:37So that passed across to him the whole concept of Leslie's missing.
04:44He said, where could she have gone?
04:48And I said, well, one of the places you might, I said, her dad, who had died fairly recently before
04:55that.
04:56I said, maybe she's gone out there.
05:12That morning, I got a phone call that said that there had been two bodies found in a car in
05:16Cataract.
05:18And I immediately got into the car and drove to the location.
05:26Assuming that it was just another two murders and the troubles.
05:31So when I got there, I met a detective there that I knew, and I said to him, this is
05:36a bad job.
05:37And he says, you'd not believe, he says, who it is?
05:40He says, it's terror.
05:41We can't.
05:44And I thought, oh my God, I just, I couldn't believe it.
05:47And I immediately thought he'd been shot by terrorists.
05:52But I didn't know who the second person was or what.
05:54And at that point in time, I thought, met him and his wife.
05:56They might have taken the two of them out.
05:59So that was my immediate reaction.
06:01At that point in time, I just felt that, no, I can't do this.
06:05I can't stay here any longer.
06:06I just have to go.
06:07I couldn't deal with it.
06:08I couldn't handle it.
06:08I can't do this.
06:09I can't do it.
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07:03Sitting with his head in his hands, crying, and I says, are you all right?
07:08And he said to me, I remember the words stand out so distinctly, and he says, my mummy's dead.
07:20I remember turning around and coming back home with Gemma, and I remember saying to Sharon, there's something going on,
07:27it hasn't relayed the story of what had happened.
07:30And she says, sure, look, why don't you, I knew Trevor and Hazel was friendly with the Howells, and she
07:38says, why don't you ring Trevor?
07:40And made the phone call, and somebody, I was expecting Trevor or Hazel to answer the phone, and this strange
07:47voice, never heard before, male voice, said to me,
07:50I'm sorry, we can't talk, there's been an awful tragedy.
08:12I was shot to the core.
08:16It affected me in the fact that it was my friend or a friend, and that I didn't see it
08:22coming, and it was shocking, and it was guilt-inducing in me, and thinking, you know, could I have played
08:31a part?
08:31Could I have done something that maybe would have stopped it all?
08:34And it really affected me in that way, and we just were, had to accept it, and then as the
08:43investigation went on, it became apparent that it was obviously a very tragic incident.
08:51Total and utter disbelief, and the horrendous tragedy there was a really decent young policeman, and Lesley, dying in the
09:04most terrible circumstances.
09:11I was at home at that time, I got the call, and my wife was in Lourdes, and was on
09:16her way back from Lourdes, and I just couldn't, I couldn't wait quick enough to tell Liz that Trevor had
09:25died, and I couldn't believe it, and Liz couldn't believe it, she just couldn't take it in, that the man
09:32that we knew could possibly have done that,
09:35so we were just devastated.
09:41I just can't remember coming to the house, and the whole process of faking the surprise to people, to church
09:53people, to family, and receiving sympathy and support when I was the perpetrator.
10:07Then, when you're told, hold on a minute, there is a suicide note.
10:21Lesley was really struggling with some emotional issues.
10:25After the death of her father, she was really very, very low.
10:29They'd been very close, and he was a real protector of her, and she always felt, I think she felt
10:35safer with him in the world.
10:37And suddenly, very suddenly, he was gone.
10:41And she wrote a letter one evening, a little short letter, saying that basically she'd had enough, and she wasn't,
10:47she just couldn't do it anymore.
10:50But she didn't give it to anybody, she hid it away.
10:53But Colin came across it, and then he hid it in his little plot.
11:00We thought that might be a useful time to come.
11:09There was a note in the kitchen that I had left there on the floor.
11:15Now, the note was put out as a suicide note.
11:22But what the note actually was, it was a, it was more of a, Lesley would have written reflectively,
11:31more of a depressive sort of a note.
11:35It was on paper that was kind of like blogging paper, and I remember reading it and thinking it's reflective.
11:44It just was an idea that I had, and I came across it accidentally amongst her stuff.
12:00We had a very untidy house, so there was letters, papers, documents, everywhere.
12:08And just like an extra, when I was plotting this, an extra idea, if I put this in,
12:15that it would add to the credibility that it was a suicide.
12:21Colin Howell seized it, and he jumped on it, and he hid it, and then he used it.
12:27Here, here's the letter she wrote.
12:29She's written a suicide letter.
12:32This is her goodbye.
12:34I mean, that's sick.
12:36That is sick.
12:46Ultimately, the thing was all passed to the corner.
12:49So, we were all, at the end of it all, after the coroner's inquest, well, that's it.
12:54That's an end to it.
12:55A very tragic affair.
12:59And it's something that we put down to, you know, we've lived through it, lost a friend.
13:05Very tragic circumstances, and really, it's something you move on from.
13:16Right, we need to clarify a couple of points, because they're important.
13:24The, the predominantly related to the plan, and Hazel Buchan's part in it, or knowledge of it.
13:39I, I, I, I, I'll ask, I'm going to ask you, and I, I, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll,
13:44I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll turn it with, like, a yes or a once.
13:48Okay.
13:51Did Hazel Buchanan know the full details of your plan?
13:58No.
13:59No.
14:01Did Hazel Buchanan know the method by which you were going to carry out the plan?
14:06Physical method?
14:09Yes.
14:11So, can I expand that then by asking you, did Hazel Buchanan know that you were going to prepare the
14:21garden hose apparatus?
14:25Or, did Hazel Buchanan know that your plan was to cause the death of your wife and Trevor by carbon
14:36monoxide poisoning from a car itself?
14:41Yes, I discussed that plan with her.
14:48Did you give Hazel Buchanan the sleeping tablets to administer to your husband?
14:58Yes.
15:00Did you give these tablets to her some days or weeks in advance of the date of the 19th of
15:10May?
15:11Yes.
15:12How did you inform Hazel of his chosen date, or when did you inform her of it?
15:20It would have been probable that, for example, and this is not an answer of definite, but I'm sorry, but
15:29it's probable that I could have done that even a week before, in the sense that next Saturday night is
15:37a night when this could happen because he's on, you know, the cycle is on late shift.
15:41Colin, I'm going to cut the chase here.
15:43Yeah.
15:44You started answering that by, for example, so we can't really take it as an answer, as you rightly say.
15:50Yeah.
15:51Now, in the last interview, you mentioned about the ramifications of your incision 18 years later.
15:59Yeah.
15:59And those, the outcome of that is we have arrested Mrs. Hazel Stewart for the murder for her husband.
16:11Now, I want you to understand that and the implications, the massive implications of that for the waiter, for her
16:19and for her new family, her new husband or whatever.
16:26So, I think, I think you need to understand that, and if you don't know the answer, don't say, for
16:33example.
16:35Okay.
16:35If you don't know the answer, say you don't know the answer.
16:38I don't know.
16:39But, tamper that with the fact that this happened, and it's not a shot, it's not a joyride, it's a
16:49murder.
16:51It's, you don't do anything bigger in your life, criminally, than that.
16:57So, it's fatally important that, if you can find it somewhere, you find it.
17:08That woman is 10 feet from us, arrested for murder.
17:13Okay.
17:15Her defence in this case, at the start, I think, other than to say, well, he made me do it,
17:21there wasn't really much other detail.
17:23I don't think a lot was known about coercive control at that time, but I was always interested to hear
17:28exactly what had went on.
17:31The initial reporting of Hazel had been very pointed in one direction.
17:38Hazel had been this femme fatale who used her attractiveness, used her will, to convince this man to kill her
17:44husband so that she could move on with a new relationship.
17:46This was this, you know, attractive woman who bewitched men with her beauty and got them to do whatever it
17:51was she wanted them to do.
17:53And the Hazel Stewart that I met is far from that person.
18:02As you can imagine, she's in prison, so she didn't look the same.
18:05She has brown hair now.
18:07She doesn't have the, you know, expensive highlights in her that she did when she first appeared in court.
18:11She was wearing a denim jacket and a hooded sweatshirt underneath it.
18:14She was very casually dressed.
18:15She is very small and she is very shy.
18:19It took her a while, I think, to warm up and speak to me.
18:24When she warmed up and started telling her story, and I, albeit it is her story and her version of
18:31events, and I'm not trying to portray it as anything else.
18:33It was only her version of events, but it was the first time that she had ever, in her own
18:37words, told her version of events, and that was what I found so interesting.
18:44What she'd said to me when I eventually did speak to her was, she was terrified that he would do
18:48the same thing to her that he did on his wife and her husband.
18:52She was terrified of him.
18:58Hazel Stewart had said that after the death of her husband and Colin Howell's wife, that when they started an
19:05affair, that the guilt that she felt meant that he would drug her before they would have sex.
19:14After the murders of Trevor and Leslie, one of the ways that, one of the techniques we used for, which
19:26Hazel enjoyed, for, to, consensually, to relax, she would have, when, this is after hours, she would have breathed the
19:35laughing gas,
19:36and she would have breathed the laughing gas, and she would have breathed the sexual activity, while she was in
19:40a relaxed state with that.
19:43So, in other words, the laughing gas was used as a, as a relaxant sedative to, I suppose, enhance her
19:55enjoyment of the, of the sexual activity.
19:58Not everybody would enjoy that, but somebody, at her house, the sedative drug, the Valium derivative, and injected it into
20:14her.
20:18And, what I told her was, this is, um, this is relaxing, and you probably will enjoy it more, so
20:31I gave her that in her bedroom.
20:34And, um, and she, um, she had a state of conscious sedation, which means that she was conscious and communicating
20:46just by mumbling.
20:49But, um, and during that time, she was very lifeless in the, in the sense of responsive to sex.
20:59But, um, I had sex with her.
21:22On one occasion, she says that he drugged her, and she thinks that he may have given her a higher
21:25dose or something else, and she became completely hysterical, and she ran towards the window.
21:29And the surgery, and she wanted to jump out of it, and she thought, the only way I will ever
21:33escape this, this relationship is if I killed myself.
21:36It's the only way to go.
21:37And the only thing that stopped her was her children.
21:40Now, the obvious question was, why didn't you go and confess?
21:43Why didn't you go?
21:44If you felt so bad, go and tell the authorities.
21:46Say, this is what happened to me.
21:48And at this point, she said that she had considered that every single day of her life.
21:53But what she realised were that if she was to go to prison while her children were still small, that
21:58they would have no one.
21:59They had already lost their father, and that they would have lost her, and that she doesn't know what would
22:03have happened to them then.
22:04And it was only her children, because she said her own life didn't feel worth living at that point.
22:08He controlled every aspect of her life to protect him from what they had done.
22:12He wasn't controlling her to protect her.
22:14He was controlling her to protect him.
22:21Definitely, as a person, she was a victim.
22:24Now, so there was a cooperation, but arising from, you've told me, I didn't know she had a fear, but
22:31obviously it's clear she had a fear, and didn't know how to escape from it.
22:37So, yes, she responded and did certain things that she now, at the time, and even especially now, regrets.
22:45But in terms of the driving force as to why these things happened, she's been a very unfortunate victim of
22:59Colin Hoyle, and I regret that.
23:14The Court of Appeal has heard what was described as fresh evidence in the case of double killer Hazel Stewart.
23:21It concerned her mental health and the claim she was under the coercive control of her ex-lover Colin Howell
23:28when they murdered her policeman husband and his wife.
23:31The former Sunday school teacher is hoping to mount a fresh bid for an earlier release from jail.
23:37Serving a minimum of 18 years, she's now hoping that sentence could be reduced, maintaining that she'd been under the
23:45coercive control of Hoyle at the time of the murders.
23:51Today is a huge day for Hazel Stewart and her family. They've waited for a very, very long time to
23:56come to this point.
23:57Hazel has gone back to the Court of Appeal again, and this time, significantly, it's an appeal against sentence only.
24:03It's not an appeal against conviction.
24:06We always felt that there ought to be a greater disparity in terms of sentencing between her and Colin Howell,
24:13the co-accused.
24:14Howell was the mastermind behind these appalling atrocities, and Hazel Stewart, of course, was involved and was convicted, rightly so,
24:24by a court of law.
24:25However, history, the legacy of all of this is utterly distorted and needs recalibrated.
24:33And that's what we have been trying to do for a number of years.
24:36And we're using Dr Harding's expertise, where he basically says, in his two reports from 2024, that Hazel Stewart was
24:49suffering from coercive control by Colin Howell.
24:57I think it's, in terms of the relationship between Hazel and Colin Howell, I think it's clear that there was
25:04control.
25:05I mean, it's peppered throughout documents. It's mentioned in, you know, almost every stage.
25:13You don't have to look far to see the idea of coercive control being there.
25:18At the time, our understanding of coercive control, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was poorly understood in the criminal justice
25:28system.
25:29We can put it that way. Poorly understood because it hadn't been tested as an offence in court.
25:35Looking at everything in the round, particularly the hospital records in the prison over the last 11 years, gives you
25:41an indication of her mental state at the time, you know.
25:43The prosecution are attempting to say that really the report of Dr Harding is neither here nor there, because this
25:53is a latter-day retrospective rewriting of information and evidence about Hazel Stewart that was already known.
26:03And that just because he makes that retrospective analysis today is neither here nor there. Well, we take great issue
26:10with that.
26:11They saw her 20 years after the crime practically, 15 years after the initial offence, and I saw her a
26:16bit later.
26:17When I'd seen her, there was more information for me to use, you know, so I think I was better
26:22informed because I also had all the records up until the point I saw her from the prison, you know.
26:27So they give the key to the whole case, really, in the medical records.
26:32He doesn't come to those findings lightly. He comes to that critical assessment after much, much detailed analysis.
26:40And engagement with Hazel herself. We're at a position today where that simply can't be ignored.
26:49It's not to say that Hazel wasn't culpable, but I think it's about the degree of culpability.
26:54And these are really, these are not questions really for me to consider.
26:59These are questions for the Court of Appeal to consider.
27:02But for me as a forensic psychiatrist, knowing the case in the depth that I do now and seeing the
27:08huge amount of information that's been written about this in terms of reports for court,
27:13assessments that were done afterwards, you know, assessments leading back all the way back into the 90s,
27:20I think I'm in a very strong position to have a holistic view with this idea of coercive control now
27:26as an offence,
27:26and to provide some information that might help the Court understand what's going on.
27:35If she keeps bringing up these appeals, why not at least, at last, accept what you've done and take the
27:44consequences?
27:45Rather than this, she tells about this under coercion, various things, but she made her own decisions.
27:52She was convicted of the crime that she took part in, very much so, and as equally as guilty as
27:59her partner in crime, joint enterprise, and they done it together.
28:16So tell me about the relationship after.
28:20From how long?
28:22Five years.
28:24It kind of, obviously, was something that wasn't popular, because that we would have a relationship.
28:31So, initially that was done secretively as well, in the initial months, and it progressed to the point where we
28:46would have done events with the children,
28:48included them, trips to the beach or whatever.
28:54Regularly, it became a regular Friday night event, eventually, for me to go into her house on a Friday evening,
29:02and I'd bring a bunch of sweets and go to watch the TV and get sweets and play games and
29:08stuff like that.
29:09For about two years, it became almost like another family, but we lived apart.
29:14So that's kind of until it ended, and it was Hazel who ended that relationship.
29:23It fizzled out. The whole thing just fizzled out, because it was rotten at the core.
29:27It was black at the very core of this.
29:30Hazel went her way, she remarried, and Colin went his way.
29:42thatited baby.
29:54Could I just come around?
29:56No, this is not Spider-Man.
29:59Could you hold him calm and I could just do it from hospital?
30:05C'est bon aujourd'hui, il n'y a pas de bonne forme aujourd'hui, il n'y a pas
30:08de bonne forme aujourd'hui.
30:10Paulin m'a invité pour un dénard avec sa famille, et ma première impressione était que c'était une famille
30:16fantastique.
30:17Les enfants plus jeunes, les enfants plus jeunes, ils mettent à la table pour le dénard.
30:23Tout le monde s'est dit grâce ensemble.
30:26Tout le monde s'est aidé à l'autre.
30:27C'est une bonne dynamique et une belle famille.
30:32Il est marié à Kyle et ils ont un peu de enfants ensemble.
30:38Une femme très belle, très belle.
30:44Tout le monde s'est dit vraiment grand sur le dénard, comment un médecin-dentiste, comment un médecin-dentiste.
30:50Il m'a dit qu'il n'est pas assez de l'argent, je vais vous envoyer les patients privés,
30:55faire des fillings.
30:56Il n'y a pas de la lumière.
30:57Il était au-dessus de moi.
31:02Il était une bonne médecin-dentiste, un médecin-dentiste, un médecin-familien, un médecin-dentiste.
31:08Un médecin-dentiste, un médecin-dentiste, un médecin-dentiste.
31:26Donc nous savons qu'il s'envolvait dans ce schéma, ce schéma, ce schéma, c'était un schéma, et il
31:33s'envolvait.
31:37Je me suis involvée dans un...
31:40...en un...
31:41...objet d'un business adventure.
31:44...
31:45...
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31:57Et quand j'ai rencontré face-to-face le gars qui était responsable pour prendre tout le monde, le monde
32:02de l'autre,
32:04je savais que c'était un fraude.
32:07Et je savais que j'étais un fraude.
32:13Donc il a perdu tout le monde, il a perdu sa vie, et puis la mort de son.
32:22Je me souviens d'avoir une conversation avec Colin, son son Matthew,
32:26et je me souviens que son père m'a dit qu'il serait bon pour Matthieu d'aller au Jordan
32:32pour étudier l'Arabie.
32:34Et puis, pour une raison, il s'est passé à Saint-Petersburg, à Russia.
32:39Et puis je ouviens qu'il a mort tragiquement, qu'il a fallé en un stairwell.
32:49Et c'était dévastant, vous savez, pour la famille, pour nous tous,
32:54pour quelqu'un de lose son, vous savez, son son de plus jeune âge.
32:58C'était dévastant.
33:03La mort de son, je pense, a hit-il hard,
33:05en fait que nous savons, quand il est mort de son,
33:09c'était la dernière chose qu'elle a dit.
33:11Et donc, pour cette fille, pour Matthieu,
33:14pour mourir dans ces tragiques circonstances,
33:16comme il s'est passé,
33:17il s'est pensé que c'était God-punissant.
33:24C'était la bonne question.
33:26Ma, est-ce que vous êtes ici ?
33:29Pourquoi vous êtes-vous-vous-vous-en-interrogaté
33:32pour les two murders que vous vous traînez discussing
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38:03C'est-ce que vous avez fait attention aujourd'hui
38:04que votre husband, Colin,
38:08a fait des disclosures
38:10sur des matters que j'ai découvert
38:1317 ans,
38:14peut-être 18 ans maintenant.
38:16Il m'a dit,
38:17« Je ne peux pas,
38:18parce qu'il ne peut pas.
38:20Il m'a dit,
38:21il m'a dit,
38:22il m'a dit,
38:22il m'a dit,
38:23il m'a dit,
38:23il m'a dit,
38:23il m'a dit,
38:23il m'a dit,
38:24il m'a dit,
38:26je ne peux pas.
38:31je ne peux pas.
38:32Je vois ça,
38:32très animément en cet video,
38:35explique comment dit
38:37la vérité,
38:38qui est-ce que vous avez pris,
38:38Colin,
38:39et comment il m'a dit,
38:40je ne peux pas,
38:42il m'a dit,
38:43il m'a dit pas beaucoup,
38:44beaucoup de drama,
38:44de historien de l'on est concernant.
38:46Elle a juste dit,
38:48« Colain,
38:50que je devrais tuer la vérité.
38:51C'est la vérité,
38:51je dois l'amener.
38:52Je suis là, je suis là,
38:54je t'en dis,
38:54je ne te l'amener.
38:56Et puis il m'a dit,
38:58je ne me rappelle pas,
39:00je ne me rappelle pas la parole,
39:00Il était très short.
39:02Il disait que quand Leslie et Trevor Buchanan
39:06les gars, tous les pensés que c'était suicide.
39:09Et je lui disais, «What happened?
39:11What happened?
39:12What happened?».
39:13Et il disait, «I can't.
39:15Il disait, «I just can't.
39:17I can't say it.
39:18I can't say it.
39:19I don't think I'll say it.
39:20I can't say it».
39:21Et il disait, «I can't say it».
39:22Il disait, «Please say it.
39:25You must say it.
39:27You'll never be free.
39:27I can't say it until you say it.
39:29You will never be free».
39:31And he said, «I did it.
39:36I did it».
39:38And that's where that ended,
39:42and I just went, «Ugh».
39:44There was one little piece of information
39:46that Kai left out,
39:47and that was that she knew about this for ten years.
39:51She had known for ten years.
39:52He had confessed to her ten years a decade earlier.
39:56and she hadn't told anybody.
39:59Now, prior to this last few weeks
40:04and your confessions with the Church Elders,
40:07did you or Hazel confide in anybody
40:14in those four or five years,
40:16or indeed in the 17, 18 years since,
40:19did you stop confiding anybody as well
40:23about what you've done?
40:26Yes, I did.
40:27Okay.
40:29Who did you confide it for?
40:32I confided in my wife, Kyle.
40:38I hoped you wouldn't ask me that, by the way.
40:42Okay, when did this take place?
40:43It was ten years ago.
40:48How did that go down?
40:52Kyle
40:55is the most truthful,
40:58straightforward person that you meet.
41:01And
41:03what I didn't know,
41:04well, her reaction was,
41:06you've got to go to the police.
41:07She was married to me.
41:08She was already married two years.
41:11And
41:15I kind of knew that she was right.
41:17And I agreed with her that we would do that.
41:21And
41:23what I didn't know was,
41:24she had just,
41:25she was new to,
41:26you know, she was American,
41:27she was young,
41:28and I experienced that.
41:30and,
41:31and we,
41:33we got a process of,
41:35sort of, what would we do,
41:36you know,
41:37with my dad,
41:38and her dad,
41:40we're going to work out the implications.
41:42And,
41:43she said, I'll stick with you,
41:44I'll visit you in prison.
41:45And,
41:46this is,
41:47this is hard to explain,
41:48except to say that,
41:50I just,
41:51got a,
41:53Christian conviction that,
41:55that it was forgiven.
41:56Which I shared with Kyle.
41:58and,
42:00Kyle,
42:01agreed with me.
42:03Not only had she sat with that information for a decade,
42:06she had gone on to have five kids with Colin Howell,
42:09knowing,
42:10that he had murdered his wife,
42:12and that he had murdered his lover's husband.
42:48The man and a woman have been charged with murdering two people whose deaths 18 years ago were treated as
42:53suicides.
42:54Trevor Buchanan,
42:55who was a 31-year-old policeman,
42:57and Leslie Howell,
42:58who was 30,
42:59and the wife of a dentist,
43:00were found dead in a fume-filled car in a garage at Castle Rock in County Londonderry.
43:05A 50-year-old man,
43:07who contacted the police last Thursday,
43:09had been charged with murder,
43:10as has a 45-year-old woman.
43:19I remember,
43:20I was at a young farmers event,
43:22and somebody walked in and said to me,
43:24have you heard the news?
43:25And I said,
43:26what news?
43:28I was just told that Colin Howell looked at the police station and handed himself in,
43:31basically,
43:31and said he was guilty.
43:33Um,
43:34a bit of a shock.
43:35I was even more shocked when they discovered that Hazel was involved in it as well.
43:38I just thought,
43:39my God,
43:39I just can't believe it,
43:41that this has happened.
43:43And I remember,
43:44I was driving across the old bridge in Corain here,
43:47and it came on the news.
43:49That's the first I knew of it.
43:50And I thought,
43:51my goodness.
43:53Again,
43:53it was a shock.
43:54I slapped the face,
43:56and I thought,
43:57phew,
43:58what is this?
43:59What is,
43:59what is happening?
44:00Is this right?
44:01Am I hearing it right?
44:06Not in my wildest dreams could I.
44:08I suspected
44:08two people like that
44:10would even comprehend
44:13carrying out the most vile,
44:16vile, heinous crime
44:18at all.
44:21I never ever,
44:22from day one,
44:23ever thought it was a suicide.
44:24I was convinced,
44:25in my own mind,
44:26that it certainly
44:27wasn't a suicide.
44:29I was talking about
44:30getting a tissue.
44:31It's okay.
44:32It's okay.
44:34It's okay.
44:37It's okay.
44:38It's okay.
44:45I just hardly believe it,
44:46the two bastards killed them,
44:47you know?
44:49it's okay.
44:50It really is.
44:50It really is.
45:15The police didn't just rely on Colin Howells' confessions
45:18pour résoudre les crimes.
45:20Ils ont fait un état d'investissement dans d'autres aspects de son vieux
45:25et d'autres aspects de son vieux.
45:26Il y a eu regardé à son travail.
45:29Et ce qu'ils ont découvert, et il a confessé,
45:32c'est le sexual abuse de ses clients et de ses patients
45:35dans la chambre de la dentale.
45:48Quand j'étais en train d'être comme un mémoire dentiste,
45:54un mémoire christian dans la chambre,
45:58j'ai aussi, lors de l'époque, été involvée
46:01dans, juste, interlutant sexual behaviours
46:08avec, avec patients.
46:22Il a confessé à abuser ces femmes.
46:27Le police, alors, qu'ils avaient beaucoup plus de travail à faire,
46:30et ils avaient continué, ils avaient continué,
46:32et ils ont découvert
46:34des séries de computers
46:35dans et autour de la maison et de la workplace.
46:38Et dans un des computers,
46:39le police ont trouvé quelque chose de très, très, très, très.
46:48Le sony a été seized,
46:50le sony a été seized en la caravan
46:52le 30 janvier.
46:53Il s'est marquée, le DS1.
46:59Il s'est marquée, le
47:27a été seized en la caravan de la voiture.
47:35Non, non, non, non, non.
48:08Non, non, non, non, non.
48:35Non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non,
48:41non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non,
48:44non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non,
48:48non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non,
48:52non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non,
48:53non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non, non
49:04Vous n'avez jamais cherché ?
49:09Non ?
49:09Non ?
49:11Non ?
49:11Vous n'avez jamais cherché ?
49:12N'y a jamais mis-tu ?
49:13N'y a jamais mis-tu ?
49:15Melle ou femme ?
49:17Non.
49:18Ou rien que vous considériez que vous n'avez pas ?
49:21Pas d'offrir ?
49:22Pas d'offrir.
49:22Pas d'offrir.
49:23Non.
49:25Pas d'offrir.
49:25Pas d'offrir à l'honneur.
49:27Je pense que je amassez sur les images que je n'ai jamais vu.
49:31Je ne sais pas ce qu'il y a quelque chose à faire avec moi.
49:32Je ne sais pas qui a utilisé ce computer pour les faire.
49:37Il me dit qu'il n'a jamais vu les personnes avant.
49:39Et il me dit qu'il ne sait rien de ce qu'ils ont.
49:42Il me dit qu'ils n'ont rien de fait avec moi.
50:13Je ne pense pas que elle a été reconnue dans la courte.
50:17Je pense qu'elle a servi la sentence qu'elle a été donnée.
50:21Je pense qu'ils ont fait quelque chose comme ça,
50:23ils devraient à servir chaque minute de leur sentence dans la prison.
50:28Je l'aime à voir les bonnes personnes.
50:30Je me dis qu'il y a la grâce de Dieu.
50:32Donc, je me disais qu'elle est d'un point de vue.
50:34C'est une personne qui a rencontré.
50:36Elle a rencontré quelqu'un qui a été l'invite,
50:39qui a changé l'invite et qui a changé l'invite.
50:42Je pense qu'elle a une parole à la famille.
50:45Elle a rencontré quelqu'un qui a rencontré avec quelqu'un qui a été l'invite
50:51et qui a changé l'invite et sa propre sa vie.
50:57C'est un peu de temps, vraiment.
51:01Elle a fait un peu de temps,
51:02Elle a fait le crime et c'est très apte et fitting
51:04que elle doit faire le temps et chaque heure de ça.
51:09Bienvenue à la BBC Newsline.
51:11La double-murderée Hazel Stewart a failli en un bail
51:14pour obtenir une sentence de jail pour la mort de la police
51:18et la femme de son ex-liver.
51:21Lady Chief Justice, Dame Siobhan Keegan,
51:24a dit que l'un minimum 18-year term
51:26n'était pas mauvais ni excessive,
51:29en ajoutant que c'était un double-murder de espèces
51:31dans les circonstances des circonstances.
51:35Nous venons de l'aider d'aujourd'hui,
51:38qui a été démissé.
51:40Il serait facile d'en prendre une stance critique
51:43et dire que la Courte a été harsh, etc.
51:47Mais je ne vais pas dire ça.
51:49La Courte a fait un déconstructe de la background de ce cas,
51:54et je veux remercier la Courte pour cela.
51:56Donc je ne vais pas essayer d'en aller
52:00de ce que la Courte a dit ou fait,
52:02en termes de l'assessant de ce cas.
52:04Nous savons ce que nous étions face
52:06quand nous avons eu l'aider.
52:08Oui, c'est déceintant.
52:10Mais c'est probablement pas d'exprimer.
52:13Nous avons un très difficile de pouvoir
52:14pour atteindre aujourd'hui.
52:17La Courte a dit que c'était le troisième appeal
52:20de Hazel Stewart,
52:22et que c'est qu'il a causé considérable
52:24distress à ses relatives.
52:26Elle a aussi dit que la Courte a trouvé
52:28no mérité dans l'appel,
52:30et Hazel Stewart's sentence remains unaltered.
52:42dans l'aventura en세요.
52:45En ce sens, c'est la Courte a dû être la Courte a fait
52:47la Courte a été la Courte a été la Courte a été la Courte a été la Courte.
52:50Je les ai supris pour l'assessant d'inviter.
52:52Ce n'est pas possible qu'elle ait été la Courte a été la Courte a été la Courte a
52:58été la Courte.
52:59Au plus, elle devienne une Courte a été la Courte a été la Courte.
53:03Il était le premier qui a créé un plan, il était le premier qui a sourcé le drugs.
53:09Il était le premier qui a killé son wife et Hazel Stewart's husband.
53:15Il était le premier qui a mové leur corps.
53:17Il était le premier qui arrangé leur corps pour se sentir comme un suicide.
53:23Le rôle en cela était très réduit comparé à ce que son rôle en cela était.
53:28Je pense qu'en différentes circonstances, si elle n'avait jamais rencontré Colin Howell,
53:32elle n'aurait jamais rencontré la prison cell.
53:35Elle n'aurait jamais rencontré la prison cell.
53:35Elle n'aurait toujours enseigné la vie.
53:39Colin Howell est un expert de coercive contrôleur.
53:44Mais il a besoin, comme il dit dans cette danse de la mort,
53:47il a besoin d'un partner pour faire ça.
53:49Et Hazel Stewart était le partner.
53:52Il y a un mouvement dans le monde, et je suis complètement derrière ça.
53:57Il y a un mouvement dans le monde, où nous sommes maintenant
53:59contre la coercive contrôle, et nous nous disons que
54:02ce n'est pas un élément acceptable de notre communauté.
54:06Mais Hazel Stewart, pour moi, ne t'en pas les bonnes.
54:10C'est-à-dire que elle n'aurait pas de liberté.
54:18Il y a quelqu'un, pour moi, c'est-à-dire qu'elle n'aurait pas d'affronometrées pour
54:21avoir pris une eth incorporation.
54:28C'était importante, c'est-à-dire qu'il se déroule et qu'il ne pas
54:33était à avoir conçu un souci, pour essayer de pouvoir tourner ce qu'il y avait
54:44et mettre des clothes sur lui.
54:47Hazel Stewart a mis un tas de clothes
54:49pour son mariage à être mis en place après qu'il a mort.
54:52Elle a mis en place de la hot press dans le bâtiment
54:54et s'est mis en place.
54:56C'était préparation.
54:59Elle était la personne qui s'enquissait de la hose pipe.
55:02Elle aussi connaissait que son mariage a pris la sleeping table.
55:06Donc, il y a des calculations sur ça.
55:09Et elle a dit que elle pourrait arrêter.
55:15Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
55:18Having taken the click-click telephone message
55:20from Colin Howell
55:21that told her,
55:23I've sorted Leslie, I'm on my way.
55:26When he arrived,
55:28that was her moment
55:30to say,
55:32you're not coming in.
55:33This has gone too far.
55:35You're not coming in.
55:40And I don't believe
55:42she was a victim, of course, of control.
55:45I think she was a willing participant.
55:48And he had filled her head
55:50with all their plans.
55:52But she was on with those plans as well.
55:55She stayed with him for five years afterwards.
55:58They're as bad as each other.
56:09I'm not the best person
56:10to evaluate
56:14why I am here today.
56:19Because I only do it
56:19from my own perspective.
56:23Maybe the direct question,
56:24do you regret
56:25that I did this?
56:28The steps of regret
56:32began years ago.
56:36I'm beginning to see the impact
56:39it's having.
56:40I had an idea of the impact.
56:44But of course,
56:46it's expanded so much
56:48beyond what I saw
56:49the day that I walked in.
56:55I just wish to say that
57:00I just pray that the consequences
57:02of this confession
57:04will be
57:06bearable
57:08to the people
57:09you have said sorry to.
57:17and
57:18my justice
57:19in the law
57:21will be deserved.
57:24Thank you.
57:26Finished.
57:28OK.
57:29Time is now
57:2928.52.
57:33Seven of you
57:33is turned out.
57:34I will switch off the use.
57:35am I see you
57:50is turned out.
57:57are going away
57:57If I don't know
57:57cheers for
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