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00:00All right, I want to get to the phones here in just a minute.
00:02However, there was conversation,
00:05and I'm not trying to beat everybody over the head with it.
00:08I can only just be honest with it.
00:09Like, this is the plan.
00:11You might not like the plan.
00:13And plans, by the way, plans change because of things that happened before.
00:18There's a cause and effect for everything.
00:20You don't get three first-round picks.
00:21Maybe you could have taken an offensive lineman at one of those points.
00:24You've got to replace the entire offensive line.
00:29Your front office is forced to do that.
00:30And people look at that.
00:32It's like, well, Andrew Barry, you went three years without having a first-round pick.
00:35And I go, whose fault is that when it comes to that?
00:37So there's a lot of blame that kind of gets thrown around all this stuff
00:40that makes it a little bit tougher than what we want to deal with here.
00:44The conversation, though, then switched yesterday.
00:46And I'll tell you this.
00:47I don't want to be all doom and gloom.
00:49I just want to be honest.
00:52Danny's in for lineman today.
00:53I don't know why I had to say that right then and there.
00:55It sounded like he's being doom and gloom.
00:56I just want to tell everybody.
00:57Well, I mean, I can be if you want.
01:00There was a conversation that happened yesterday about trading for a No. 1 overall pick.
01:03Or not a No. 1 overall pick, a No. 1 wide receiver.
01:06No. 1 wide receiver.
01:07How much would that change our outlook going into the Cleveland Browns' 2026 season?
01:12Danny?
01:12Not much.
01:13Why?
01:13Not much at all.
01:14Because I don't think that there are so many issues on this team.
01:17I don't think that if you do trade for a No. 1 wide receiver,
01:21that eats up that much of your salary cap.
01:24And I don't know where you would get worse necessarily this year.
01:27What do you feel about the salary cap?
01:28Doesn't exist.
01:29But I think that it doesn't make you better.
01:32It doesn't solve the real issues on this team.
01:34Is the wide receiver room good enough?
01:35Absolutely not.
01:37But that's not the biggest issue the Browns have.
01:39The Browns have so many other issues that if they trade for whatever No. 1 wide receiver is available,
01:44that's not going to change the outlook of this roster.
01:47That's not going to make this team any significantly better in any way.
01:51It might make them marginally better, but it doesn't change who they actually are,
01:55which is a bad football team.
01:57See, I've got to disagree.
01:58I've got to disagree.
01:59If you traded for a No. 1 wide receiver, I think it's not about being excited,
02:04Super Bulls, Super Browns.
02:05I think it's holding you to a standard.
02:07Holding you to a standard that you are planning to be significantly better.
02:10Not trying to be.
02:11You are planning to be significantly better than what you were over the last two years.
02:15You've went out.
02:16You've made significant moves with this offensive line.
02:18You've decided with this offensive line and these moves that you made.
02:21And I want to ask Darrell about this coming up at 820.
02:23I think Rasheed Walker is still out there, if I'm not mistaken.
02:26So there's a possibility you could always bring him in.
02:28I know that they have some announcements that they're going to make today
02:30with some of the new guys that they have.
02:32But when you go out and you trade for Titus Howard, get Zion Johnson,
02:36get Elton Jenkins, bring back Tevin Jenkins there,
02:38I still don't know what you're going to do with the left tackle position.
02:41But when you replace four-fifths of the offensive line,
02:43when you already had Luke Whipler, when you already had Zach Zinter,
02:46I mean, you're telling people that you don't believe in those picks
02:50and that you're ready to either keep them as backups or move on.
02:54Which, fine.
02:55If you're going to cut bait, cut bait.
02:57That's fair.
02:58Okay?
02:58No big deal.
03:00But if you were to make those changes on that offensive line,
03:04and then you go in and you go after a number one wide receiver,
03:07you make a trade for a number one wide out,
03:10I could sit here and get all afraid and scared of you making big moves
03:15when you're not ready to support that big move then,
03:18because I still got to get my quarterback situation figured out.
03:20But I would say, yep, this is still the plan.
03:22He's just going to have a number one wide receiver to throw to there,
03:25along with Jerry Judy, along with Isaiah Bond, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
03:29Which Jerry Judy and Isaiah Bond doesn't set the world on fire,
03:32but if you've got a number one wide receiver out there,
03:35then it would change that conversation.
03:36It's not about rah-rah to me.
03:39It's about holding them to a standard.
03:41And holding them to a standard means that you have to approach the playoffs
03:44this year, because according to what your moves are telling me,
03:47if you were to make this move, according to what your moves you're telling me is,
03:50is that you believe there's an opening.
03:52Whether it be in this division, in this conference to make a wild card,
03:56whatever it is, you're telling me you see an opening.
03:58And I don't think those things are true.
03:59I don't think that there's an opening.
04:01Why is that?
04:01Because I don't think there's an opening there.
04:03The Steelers are that much better than us?
04:05No, but I think the Ravens are.
04:07I think the Bengals probably will be if they can stay healthy.
04:09The Bengals are really that much better than us?
04:10That defense still sucks.
04:11Ken, if they stay healthy, they have Joe Burrow.
04:12That offensive line is still questionable.
04:14If Joe Burrow stays healthy.
04:15I don't know.
04:15I've been hearing about the great things that Joe Burrow's been doing here
04:18over the last how many years, and he hasn't done them in the last how many years.
04:20He's been injured.
04:21Yeah, he's been injured.
04:21We could say if he's been healthy for a long time,
04:23there's plenty of guys that we could say if they've been healthy
04:25that they'd be able to help out their football team.
04:27The problem is he's never healthy.
04:28That's fair.
04:29But there's not an opportunity for this Browns roster,
04:31as it constitutes right now, if you add a No. 1 wide receiver,
04:35the Browns are still nowhere near the top of this division.
04:38There's not an opening that a No. 1 wide receiver for them,
04:42which who would that wide receiver be?
04:44Like what wide receiver are we talking about
04:46that is theoretically available for them to trade for,
04:49and what is it going to cost for them to acquire this mystery wide receiver
04:53that's going to make them better?
04:54It would certainly cost picks.
04:56I mean, it would certainly cost some of what you have.
04:58Are you giving up No. 24 to go get a No. 1 wide receiver?
05:02What No. 1 wide receiver is available that makes you good enough to do that stuff?
05:06Hey, the conversation was brought up yesterday.
05:09I'm just going over the conversation that happened yesterday.
05:11That's what I'm doing.
05:12I just don't think that this is a move that –
05:15now, if it's a No. 1 wide receiver that is still young,
05:18let's say for sake of throwing a name out there, Justin Jefferson,
05:23which is not happening.
05:24I'm not saying that's what it is, but just like that guy.
05:28Could he help you in the future?
05:29Does that make it worth it then?
05:30Sure, but I don't think it changes the outlook on what the ceiling
05:33for this team this year actually is.
05:35And if anything, and no one wants to use the tank word,
05:38but that's kind of what's happening here,
05:40it might actually, if it does help you a little bit,
05:42it might hurt your future.
05:43Because you have to find a way to get that quarterback.
05:46You brought up all those schools that have quarterbacks
05:48that could potentially be in the draft a year from now.
05:50One of those guys needs to be wearing an orange helmet in 18 months.
05:54Well, how many picks do I have to give up for the No. 1 wide receiver
05:57in this exercise?
05:58Depends who it is.
06:00Okay.
06:00I think not having a name makes this tough.
06:04To take them off your hands, I've got to pay them.
06:06So I'd like to start with the second-round pick.
06:08If I give up 24, that's fine.
06:10The future of it, there could be something there for the future of it.
06:13But what I'm pointing out is, listen, I can't give you a bunch of names
06:17that I'd sit there and I'd advocate for.
06:18I don't know if they're ready for a No. 1 wide receiver yet.
06:22Excuse me.
06:23To trade for a No. 1 wide receiver yet.
06:25You can go out and get one in the draft.
06:26Carnell Tate or Mekhi Lemon or anything like that,
06:29who did run a nice 40th time for me yesterday.
06:32You can go out and draft for one of those guys.
06:34But when it comes to trading for one of them, yeah,
06:35I think that there's a lot of things that hold you back.
06:37I'm just pointing out, if they did it,
06:39my expectations for this football team change.
06:41My hope for this football team, I'm not sure it's got to change
06:45because of what they've done and I have to hope for the best.
06:47But that's a force.
06:49That's not me saying, hey, I got a lot of faith in all these guys.
06:52Because the big argument has been our defense has been the best,
06:55one of the best in the NFL over each of the last three years.
06:58Now, we'll see how much a defensive coordinator really matters.
07:02We thought it mattered when it went from Joe Woods to Jim Schwartz.
07:05I think it did.
07:05I think it made Joe Woods look really, really bad.
07:08We'll see what Mike Grudenberg has in store
07:09because if you keep this defense going well
07:11and this offense is able to do well,
07:13then we'll talk about him with other jobs in the NFL elsewhere.
07:15But for this football team, if we always feel like we're closer
07:19because we have half of the football team there
07:21because the defense is so good
07:23and the kicking game has been pretty good as well,
07:25the coverage has been terrible.
07:26You made a change with special teams
07:28because you've got to think about three phases.
07:30But when you get to the offense,
07:31all right, if you made these changes within the offensive line
07:34and then you went on and you made some sort of a trade
07:37for a number one wide receiver,
07:38you're telling people a lot of things
07:40that maybe you don't really want to say,
07:42but I just have to accept as a possibility here
07:44that you may think higher as Shador Sanders
07:46than what a lot of people are thinking as Shador Sanders
07:48or B, you just think higher of your offense together
07:51that you could put it together as it is
07:52and now you're really going to put Shador Sanders to the test
07:55or you want to create, I should say,
07:57and you want to create a possibility
07:58where any one of these quarterbacks
08:00that are what we consider retreads,
08:02also rands, guys who can save their careers,
08:04this becomes a better opportunity for them
08:06because you can't help but be a little bit better,
08:08a lot better offensively than where you were last year.
08:12That, I think, is the theory, Danny.
08:14Those are all fair points,
08:15but I don't think that's going to be the thing
08:16that the Browns should be pursuing.
08:18I think that they should be pursuing to find a way
08:20to get a young quarterback, not a retread quarterback.
08:23Like, I don't think for all the conversation about,
08:26oh, Kyler Murray, not interested in Cleveland.
08:29Tua, not interested in Cleveland.
08:31Malik Willis, not interested in Cleveland.
08:33Like, all those guys that were the hot quarterback names
08:36on the scrap heap.
08:38The Browns shouldn't have interest in those guys
08:40because they're not going to be the answer realistically.
08:43Is Malik Willis going to maybe be okay in Miami?
08:45I don't know.
08:47Maybe he's played five football games, really, in the NFL
08:49after being a high draft pick that didn't work out in Tennessee.
08:53Is Kyler Murray going to be the answer in Minnesota?
08:56I mean, Kevin O'Connell has history of being able
08:58to turn quarterback career around.
09:00Just look at Sam Darnold,
09:01but I don't think that he's the answer.
09:03Is Tua the answer here?
09:04I certainly don't think that's the case.
09:06No.
09:07Kirk Cousins?
09:07Absolutely not.
09:08No.
09:08Like, the Browns should not have been interested in these guys.
09:11That is, I think...
09:11Well, they weren't interested in us.
09:13Yes.
09:14It goes both ways.
09:15Which, I think, was the correct move on their part,
09:18but the Browns should not have been interested
09:19in these guys either.
09:21Those guys were not interested in the Browns,
09:23partially because of the situation,
09:24which is the larger conversation about a wide receiver one here.
09:28But the Browns need to find a franchise quarterback
09:30that's young, too.
09:31And if you do trade for a wide receiver one,
09:33I still think that's the play.
09:35Because then, if you do find that retread quarterback,
09:38it's going to be in a shorter contract,
09:39and then you're going to have to pay said quarterback market value.
09:42Fantastic.
09:43Danny, there's some people calling you out, by the way.
09:45Who?
09:45A lot of listeners who,
09:47when you said that we are so far behind the division
09:49and a couple of people were like,
09:50hey, we beat two of the teams in the division last year.
09:52Okay.
09:53We mean okay.
09:54That's not...
09:55What was the record?
09:56What the Browns record?
09:57What was the Browns record?
09:58They finished with five wins.
09:58Where'd they finish in the division?
09:59They finished last.
10:00Okay, yeah.
10:01Are you that far behind?
10:02Yes.
10:04I think I disagree.
10:05I don't.
10:06Why?
10:07What?
10:07Okay, pull up the betting app of your choice
10:11and tell me how far behind they are in the odds to win the North.
10:13I don't need Johnny Vegas to tell me how I feel.
10:15No, but tell me how much of a long shot it would be
10:17for the Browns to win the division.
10:18I don't care about that.
10:19Go ask Jim Valvano about long shots.
10:20I don't care about that.
10:21I'm looking at the facts of what the teams are.
10:24You gave me Joe Burrow in the last segment.
10:26When's Joe Burrow been healthy?
10:281993?
10:291993?
10:29When's the last time Joe Burrow's been healthy?
10:32I'm answering.
10:33I'm asking.
10:33It's been a couple of years.
10:36So how am I supposed to expect that he's going to be healthy here?
10:38Because look at the Ravens.
10:39How far behind the Baltimore Ravens are you?
10:41We do this all the time with players when we're like, oh, we can go get him.
10:44I go, yeah, what are you going to do in week three after he gets hurt?
10:46So you're saying what about what?
10:48How far behind the Ravens are the Browns?
10:50They're probably a little bit behind.
10:51A little or a lot behind?
10:54The Ravens were a massive disappointment this last year.
10:58That much is very true.
11:00Now, I would expect them to be better than what they were.
11:02But I said, if you go out and you trade, the whole argument here was if you traded for a
11:06number one wide receiver or you picked up a number one wide receiver in that case, then how much closer
11:13would you be?
11:13And if your defense is that good, is your defense the best defense in the division?
11:18Yes.
11:19Is your offense the worst offense in the division?
11:20Yes, it is.
11:21But if you can make your offense somewhere in the middle there and guys can stay healthy and guys can
11:25play, you can be competitive within the division.
11:28That's the entire argument.
11:29I don't think right now offensively you might be very competitive within the division, but that's just coming off of
11:35last year.
11:35We'll see how the offensive line works.
11:37But I can only go by what I've seen, right?
11:39Is that an offensive line depth chart?
11:41No, I just wrote it out real quick the other day and I decided to keep it.
11:44That's what I did.
11:46If you're not that, you look at all three teams.
11:49All three of those other teams were said to be what?
11:51Disappointments this last year.
11:52Well, I don't know.
11:53Cincinnati has been kind of the same way over the last three years.
11:56Have they not been on?
11:57Cincinnati has been basically the same thing over the last three years.
12:00Bad defense or struggling defense, struggling offensive line, even though I think their offensive line was a little bit better
12:05this last year,
12:06and a guy who can't stay healthy playing quarterback who runs the entire franchise.
12:11And you've got remarkable wide receivers, but it doesn't really matter when you have terrible other suck-ass quarterbacks who
12:17have to throw to these guys
12:18because your franchise quarterbacks can't stay healthy.
12:21You've got Pittsburgh that just had a Zoom with Kyler Murray, and then he signed with the Minnesota Vikings over
12:25there.
12:25So you're either trying to bring in Will Howard or bring up Will Howard, which I liked Will Howard.
12:31I'm not going to sit there and badmouth Will Howard over this.
12:33I liked him coming out of Ohio State.
12:34You're either going to try to elevate Will Howard.
12:36You're going to try to bring back Aaron Rodgers.
12:38You might be in the market for somebody else at some point at that point, but you're kind of running
12:41out of options there.
12:43So if you wanted to do something like that, okay, but I'll put our situation up against theirs.
12:47Aaron Rodgers is 42 years old, so he's old.
12:50So I'll put my offensive situation up against theirs.
12:53When you have the Ravens, the Ravens got you.
12:55But the Ravens are supposed to have you.
12:57The Ravens are supposed to have you, Danny.
12:59So even though it feels like you're far off, in NFL senses, you are a bit off.
13:05No doubt.
13:06But in the real world here, you're really not that far off.
13:09This isn't like it's Ohio State and Akron right now.
13:11No, but you look at it and say, okay, let's say that Pittsburgh takes a step back.
13:16Let's say they're finally not above .500 for the first time basically in my entire lifetime.
13:21Let's say that...
13:22Oh, Mike McCarthy's basically another version of Mike Tomlin, but whatever.
13:25I agree, but just for the sake of this discussion, let's say that.
13:29So let's say that the Pittsburgh Steelers are a disappointment this year.
13:32Okay.
13:33Let's say the same thing that happens, that has happened with the Bengals.
13:36Joe Burrow gets hurt, and that defense stinks, especially now that they lost Trey Hendricks.
13:40Are we as far behind the rest of the division as Danny thinks?
13:432-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
13:45Go ahead.
13:46So let's say that happens, too.
13:48Let's say the Browns are in the same conversation with those two teams.
13:52Does that make the Browns good?
13:54Or does that make those other teams just stink, too?
13:57Because you can say, okay, maybe they're not so far behind the rest of the division,
14:02but that doesn't mean they're close to actually being competitive.
14:04Because there is still one team in Baltimore that is way ahead of the Browns.
14:08So what are we doing here now?
14:10Hold on.
14:11Are you saying it's not even good for us to be competitive within the division
14:15because the division isn't as good as what it's been in the last 20 years?
14:18Because this year was not a great year for the division.
14:20No, it was the worst year ever.
14:21Are you saying that we're playing with fool's gold over here,
14:24a la like the NFC South might be?
14:26Because the NFC South or the AFC South especially has been historically bad at times?
14:31If you finish with seven wins in a bad AFC North and don't sniff the playoffs
14:37because seven wins ain't sniffing the playoffs in the AFC,
14:40is that really that much better than finishing with five wins in a good division?
14:44Is that that much different because you beat two other bad divisional opponents?
14:48Does that really change who you are in the football team?
14:50I don't understand what you're going with on that.
14:53I'm saying that you're still far away.
14:54Even if you're closer because there are two other bad teams in this division potentially,
14:58that doesn't mean that you're actually closer to being good.
15:01As of right now, you're not.
15:02But the whole principle, like Craig and a couple other people on social media,
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15:117, 28, and 21 seconds for those scoring at home is if you were to make a move
15:17for a number one wide receiver, that you would be closer to these teams
15:21that you can compete with because all you have to do is compete within your division.
15:25If you compete within your division, then you should be able to compete
15:27for a division championship, which they haven't won since 1989,
15:30so let's not be crazy about this.
15:32Or also, if you are competitive in your division,
15:34you should be, wins-wise, in a mode where you could possibly compare
15:39or compete for a wildcard position.
15:43So if they were to make some strong moves, while I don't...
15:46I really don't believe that it would benefit them long-term
15:51because I still think we would find ourselves in the same position.
15:55I don't think... I think a lot of people say, damn that.
15:57I don't care. Go out there and try to find a way to win
15:59and get yourself into the postseason.
16:01I think fans would feel a lot better if you were able to do that,
16:03especially even if the quarterback struggles and you go,
16:05the rest of the team is good.
16:07I just don't believe...
16:08I'm not going to sit there and rip on the Browns all day long
16:11unless they deserve it, and the Browns in some cases do deserve it,
16:14but I'm not going to compare them with the rest of the division.
16:16I don't think the rest of the division is good.
16:17And you're leaving me no odds because now you're saying
16:19not even to compete with the other teams in the division
16:21because the other teams in the division aren't even any good,
16:23so it's fool's gold.
16:24It would be fool's gold.
16:24So what am I supposed to do then, Danny?
16:26Not trade for number one wide receiver because it doesn't help you in the long run.
16:29It might not help me in the long run,
16:30but I've got a general manager who has to worry about his job
16:32and completing his vision.
16:34The last draft was good.
16:35The previous five drafts, let's not talk that much about those.
16:37But the last draft was good.
16:39If this coming up draft is good,
16:42then you might have some more gold in them there hills
16:43where you could support making a trade for a number one overall wide receiver.
16:48Well, we need to see this draft be good before you can do that.
16:50Can you count on that happening with him?
16:52You can't make a lot of these trades after the draft.
16:55Can you count on that happening?
16:56Count on what?
16:57So what I'm saying is maybe you are a year away.
16:58No, I can't count on that happening.
16:59You are a year away from making this trade.
17:01I can't count on that happening.
17:02But you're acting as if we are just like this so far behind organization
17:06within the rest of the division.
17:07I can say we're so far behind a lot of teams in the NFL.
17:11But when it comes to this division,
17:13I think the division has more come back to us
17:15instead of us raising our level to the division.
17:18And I'm not going to blame the Browns for the failures
17:21of the other three teams in the division.
17:22That's their fault, not the Browns.
17:25Browns got to figure out their own problems, obviously.
17:27But damn it, I'm not going to all of a sudden think
17:29that the Ravens and the Steelers and the Bengals are so much better than ours
17:32because I don't think that they are.
17:33Some of the teams in the division coming closer to the Browns
17:36does not give the Browns an opportunity because they have to rise to.
17:39You don't just create an opportunity because other teams in your division stink.
17:43You have to actually be good.
17:44You have to find ways to win games against non-divisional opponents.
17:47So if the offer is made to be able to get a fictitious number one wide receiver
17:52and I still have Miles Garrett and I still have Denzel Ward
17:55and I still have gold in them their hills with this football team,
17:57I'm supposed to just pass up on it because the rest of the division is bad.
18:01Am I really supposed to do that and waste their time?
18:03I'm supposed to have these guys for a reason.
18:05They're competitive, good football players.
18:07It's not just so people buy some tickets.
18:08No, it has to be independent of the division.
18:10It has to be because it's a move that makes sense for the team,
18:12not because the Steelers and Bengals might stink.
18:15But how could it not make sense for the team if I'm playing these teams
18:19six times in a year?
18:20If I'm playing these teams six times in a year
18:22and that guy gives me a better chance to conduct an offense with J'edore Sanders,
18:25it gives me a better chance to open up a running lane
18:27for Dylan Sampson and Quinshawn Junkins.
18:29Aren't I going to be a better football team?
18:31Won't I be in more football games?
18:32Yes, yes, and yes.
18:33And if I can beat those teams in the division,
18:35nothing is weighted because of your division, except for tiebreakers.
18:38But nothing is weighted because of your division.
18:40I don't get a strength of schedule loss because I got a win
18:43against a Cincinnati Bengals team with an injured Joe Burrow.
18:46A win is a win is a win.
18:48That's correct and that's fair,
18:49but I don't think that that is a move that gets you to where you want to be.
18:53So what do I do to get better here, Danny?
18:56You're going to have to suck it up and be bad this year.
18:58And you have to find a franchise quarterback.
19:00None of this can.
19:01And if you do, let's get back to the drafting.
19:04Because you mentioned last year's draft was awesome for Andrew Barry,
19:06and for the most part it was.
19:07And the five before it, we don't want to talk about it because they were bad.
19:11And he's not shown a consistency as a draft guy.
19:15Let's say the Browns have another draft this year.
19:17Bad position to be in as a general manager.
19:19Yeah, not good.
19:20Let's say they have a draft this year that mirrors last year's success.
19:26That'd be great for the Browns.
19:27Then I think a year from now, that is when you are legitimately in a position
19:32to make this type of move.
19:33I think you're a year away from making the type of move that we are talking about
19:37right now.
19:37I do.
19:38But I think 12 months from now, it could make all the sense in the world
19:40that it doesn't make sense right now.
19:42I have bickered with you over the last five minutes.
19:45I do believe that what you just specified is the plan.
19:49I think if there's a number one wide receiver out there,
19:52I think that they would kick the tires on it because I think Andrew Barry
19:54loves to trade for wide receivers, clearly.
19:57But I don't think that they would go through with it.
19:59I think that this is really very much the plan.
20:01I think they are trying to position themselves to start to really build success
20:05in 2027, which is why I have a very controversial opinion that I'm probably
20:11going to bring out next week about what their plans are with certain people
20:14in this franchise.
20:16Okay?
20:17I'm not going to say it yet because I've got to think about this first
20:21before I say it next week.
20:21You just don't want to say it to me.
20:23That's not true.
20:24I'll say it to you.
20:24Yeah, that's how I feel.
20:25I'll say it to you later on.
20:27I'm workshopping it in my head right now because I can't say it right now
20:30because if I say it right now, it might be a little bit irresponsible
20:33of me to say it right now.
20:34What?
20:35Why don't you go ahead and say it, man?
20:36Say it.
20:37Let's see what happens.
20:38Yeah.
20:39What could go wrong?
20:40I wanted to get to the Pistons disrespect thing is what I wanted to do.
20:44We've got time for that.
20:45No, we don't.
20:45Say it real quick.
20:47Then maybe it'll come back to haunt you.
20:48Maybe it won't.
20:49Who knows?
20:49There's only one way to find out.
20:50Let's do that.
20:52Say it.
20:52I'm not done getting my argument ready yet.
20:55I can't make an argument for something I'm not done with.
20:58I can't just go off and knock.
20:59If you want to change it later, you just change it.
21:02That's not how that works.
21:04We'll put an asterisk by it.
21:05No, the internet will definitely asterisk this.
21:09People will understand.
21:10They'll go, oh, he changed it.
21:11No, they will not understand.
21:12They will call me a flip-flopper, and I'm not going to do that.
21:15That doesn't happen.
21:15You guys are both lying.
21:17Don't insult the listener's intelligence.
21:19Listen to how I hide my voice is.
21:21Yeah, that's why I don't believe you, because you don't talk to me like that unless you're
21:24trying to lay a trap.
21:25It's just us.
21:27No, it's not.
21:28It's telling us.
21:29Your college basketball coach is listening over there from Lake Erie College.
21:33Yeah, sure is.
21:34It's not just us.
21:35It's us and basketball guys.
21:37Kyle Conley, I don't know if he'd like my opinion of this right now.
21:40Well, let's find out.
21:41No.
21:42He'll text me afterwards.
21:43No, I'm not going to do it.
21:45You'll find out maybe next week.
21:47Maybe you won't at all.
21:48Maybe I'll sit here, and I'll have a couple of drinks later on tonight.
21:51Okay?
21:52Tonight's my dear late mother's birthday.
21:54Have a couple of drinks.
21:55Maybe go into the basement, and I'll hold mom's urn, which actually she's still in a box
21:59because I wanted to use some of her ashes to plant a tree in the backyard later.
22:03It feels like where the red fern grows.
22:06I'm going to hold mom's ashes later on tonight, have a glass of whiskey, have another glass
22:11of whiskey.
22:11I'm going to throw my idea by mom, and I'm going to ask her what she thinks of that idea.
22:16And she may tell me it's a really stupid idea.
22:18Because that's what my mom's become, a bronze football Ouija board.
22:26You're supposed to say something.
22:28Say something.
22:28I can't wait to see the AI photo of that, and go ahead with your Pistons hate.
22:34Tell us the idea.
22:35That was a little much to say on my mom's birthday, wasn't it?
22:37It was.
22:38Okay.
22:39I didn't know how I was supposed to respond to that.
22:42However you feel, mom would have supported either way.
22:44I guarantee you.
22:46I didn't know her.
22:47I did not give the Pistons any thought at all.
22:50Our boss thought that I was disrespecting the Pistons, that those words might come back
22:54to haunt me.
22:55Speaking of the words I don't want to say about certain moves that the Browns could make
22:58this next year, to position themselves to go after the real gusto here.
23:04He said the words that I said could come back to haunt me, like my dear mother, later on
23:10this year if I was so disrespectful to the Pistons.
23:12I just think that the Pistons, and I know we don't have a lot of time, I just don't think
23:15the Pistons are a good, I don't think we're a good matchup for the Pistons at all, and
23:18I don't think they've paid their dues yet in the postseason.
23:20I think they'll try to get physical.
23:21I just don't think, guys try to get physical, but you still don't know how to pay the price
23:25in the postseason, and I think the Cavs do.
23:27At least against teams like that.
23:29I understand.
23:30I agree completely with what you said.
23:32The Cavs present matchup problems for Detroit that I don't know that Boston does, and I certainly
23:37don't think the Knicks do against the Pistons.
23:39I'm not trying to say the Cavs are a better team than the Celtics certainly right now,
23:43because I don't believe that to be true, but I think that the Cavs present very specific
23:47matchup problems for Detroit, and styles make fights in the postseason.
23:51The Pistons right now are a great defensive team.
23:53They don't have enough offense.
23:54Their best shooter is a guy that we have watched try to play in playoff series against the Cavs,
23:58and that's not going to happen.
23:59I can assure you of that.
24:00Duncan Robinson keeps that offense afloat, and he can't play against the Cavs in the postseason.
24:05That is a matchup that I think would go really poorly for Detroit.
24:09I'm not going to say the Cavs would sweep them, but if you look at the top four teams
24:13in the East, and you power rank the confidence level you would have for the Cavs to beat them,
24:19the Pistons are the team the Cavs should be the most confident they would beat four times
24:22in seven games.
24:23By the way, what's the line tonight against the Mavs?
24:2513 and a half.
24:2613 and a half.
24:27Of course, the Mavs come back here on Sunday to play against our Cleveland Cavaliers.
24:30That Cavs conversation brought to you by the fine folks at Surfside Hard Iced Tea
24:33who ask you to please enjoy your hard iced tea from Surfside responsibly.
24:37Maybe not pull out a box of your mom's ashes and talk to it.
24:40Is that responsible?
24:42While you're having the hard iced tea.
24:44As long as you're not bothering anybody and not out there on the roads,
24:47that might be pretty responsible.
24:49It's fair.
24:51Hard to argue that.
24:53You know, the wife did it in draft day.
24:56She was standing out there with a football.
24:57Nobody said anything to her while she was talking about her late husband.
25:02I stand there with my mom's ashes, ask her Browns questions.
25:05All of a sudden, I'm a weirdo?
25:06Okay.
25:07I didn't want to make sure.
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