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Seth and Sean dive into the Texans offseason buzz that Jonathan Alexander of the Houston Chronicle has been hearing out at the NFL Combine, react to PenderPoll results asking fans if they think CJ Stroud will make the NFL Top 100 this year, and their thoughts on it as well.
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00:00Where are the areas that you're focused on in terms of maybe improving the roster?
00:05Yeah, for us, it's for the offensive side of the ball.
00:07We're looking to improve at the offensive line position.
00:11To start there, we're looking to improve our running back.
00:14D'Amico Ryan's at the Combine with Judy Batista of the NFL Network.
00:19And pretty transparent and I think pretty obvious, too.
00:23Those are two areas that need improvement on the team.
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00:29Sports Radio 610.
00:32Offensive line running back, and you pointed this out earlier, Seth.
00:35Does this mean that come two weeks from now, we're going to see an aggressive Nick Casario in free agency?
00:41Does it mean we're going to see some trades in that period between free agency and the draft?
00:46Does it mean they're aggressive in the draft?
00:48I don't know about the trades because those are harder to predict.
00:50Those usually kind of come out of nowhere.
00:52And those are ones you can't necessarily plan for.
00:54A lot of those trades aren't available until teams get the guys that they want in free agency and then
01:02say,
01:02Oh, okay, let's get rid of this guy.
01:03Let's get rid of that guy now that we've got these other free agents.
01:06Yeah, I think they're going to be aggressive in both.
01:09And I think they should be, free agency and the draft, in addressing those two positions.
01:14Yeah, and that's something Nick always says.
01:16You never look at just one area.
01:17It's always trades, free agency, and the draft.
01:22There are multiple different ways to come by players.
01:24Jonathan Alexander of the Chronicle has a good piece from yesterday that's just kind of level setting everything as to
01:29where we are right now.
01:31And kind of bulletizes what the offseason is going to look like here over the next several weeks.
01:35The thing he has at the top of the list is a push for a running back.
01:39He kind of lists them in order here.
01:40He says the Texans are expected to make a push for a top running back in the free agent market.
01:45Joe Mixon's time in Houston appears to become a new end, and the Texans are desperate to improve their running
01:51game,
01:52as D'Amico Ryans himself just pointed out there.
01:56The problem with free agency is that there's guys that are coming off the board right now.
02:01Brees Hall is expected to get a franchise tag.
02:03Doesn't mean he's not available, but it means you're just going to have to give up something for the right
02:07to pay him from the New York Jets,
02:09if indeed they franchise tag him.
02:12Javante Williams is already off the board.
02:13He signed an extension with the Cowboys.
02:16Three years, $24 million.
02:18I think if the Texans are shopping in free agency for running backs and they want to shop for a
02:23game changer,
02:23it's probably going to cost more than what the Cowboys just gave Javante Williams.
02:28You're probably talking in that $10, $11, $12 million range.
02:32Yeah, Bill Barnwell had said Brees Hall would be $12 to $15 million.
02:38The ETN and Kenneth Walker, at the time Barnwell had projected $8 to $12 million.
02:46So, again, I'm comfortable with all of that.
02:48No, I'm comfortable with it, too.
02:49The question with Walker is, you know, does the Super Bowl glow drive his value up higher than it should
02:56be?
02:56Because he's not necessarily a three-down running back.
03:01He's not great catching the ball.
03:03He's not great in pass protection.
03:05If you had a choice between ETN and Kenneth Walker, who would you, all things being equal contract-wise,
03:12who would you rather have on this team?
03:14Oh, boy.
03:15I see.
03:16I don't want to succumb to the same thing of just the glow-up of Kenneth Walker.
03:21I think ETN.
03:22I mean, I think ETN also.
03:24Yeah, I think ETN, and part of it is, as a receiver, he's more threatening in the screen game and
03:31everything.
03:32I mean, D'Amico last year when he talked about the Jaguars, ETN would be one of the first guys
03:36he talked about every time
03:37when they talked about preparing to play the Jaguars.
03:39There were some games this year where I really felt like, man, ETN, kind of like a larger version of
03:48Woody Marks,
03:49looks like a guy that is going to do anything and everything and whatever it takes to get an extra
03:54two yards when he needs it.
03:55And I think, look, Kenneth Walker is that guy, too.
03:58But I think that ETN's skill as a receiver is better than Kenneth Walker,
04:04and it has just I think his style would complement Woody Marks maybe a little bit better than Kenneth Walker
04:12as well.
04:13Yeah, I think so.
04:13I like ETN.
04:14Kenneth Walker isn't necessarily a run-up-the-middle type of guy,
04:18which now puts in a couple guys where, okay, well, Woody Marks and Kenneth Walker are great,
04:22the outside zone perhaps, but not necessarily the hammer that you want right up the middle.
04:27The second thing Jonathan Alexander has on here on basically the five things that the Texans are looking to accomplish
04:35this offseason,
04:36center is a position they want to upgrade.
04:38And this is something Nick Casario said, I believe, in his scrum with the local media in Indianapolis earlier this
04:46week, Seth,
04:47was he was asked a direct question about Jake Andrews.
04:50Yeah.
04:50And Casario was pretty transparent with,
04:55if we can upgrade that position, we'd like to upgrade that position.
04:58Yeah, and he said that, you know, Jake Andrews is capable of being a starter,
05:02but hinted that there's going to be competition.
05:05They're not, you know, I don't think there's,
05:08I think we're long past the days of just penciling in Kenyon Green or Juice Scruggs as the starters right
05:15from training camp on.
05:16And because that was all the way up until 2024 where they were just saying,
05:21yep, Juice Scruggs is going to be our starting center.
05:23Kenyon Green is going to be our starting guard.
05:25And it's off to the races we go.
05:27Way we go, yeah.
05:28Well, based on what?
05:29Right.
05:30You know?
05:31So, I think the only guys they're going to be penciling in are Titus Howard's going to be one of
05:36the starters
05:36at other guard or tackle.
05:38Ariante Urseri is going to be the starting left tackle.
05:41And then as of right now, without Ed Ingram re-signed or anything,
05:44I think it's a wide open, it's either a wide open competition
05:49or they're going to sign some bona fide starters in free agency.
05:52Yeah.
05:53And Jonathan's article, number two and number three, I think sort of tied together
05:57because number two, again, is center is a position they want to upgrade.
06:00And number three is another offensive line shuffle, question mark,
06:04because they're all sort of tied together.
06:05I mean, it's really just one more overhaul of the offensive line.
06:10I mean, that's the fact of the matter is this offensive line,
06:13for all the talk about they got better from 2024 and they got better at this,
06:18they're still not great.
06:2060% of this offensive line has a decent chance of being different people out there.
06:24Ed Ingram's an interesting name because the experts that put these lists together
06:30of top 100 free agents, top 50 free agents, you know, top 150, whatever,
06:36they all, I've seen opinions all over the place on Ed Ingram.
06:42You know, Greg Rosenthal, Greg Rosenthal, there's none of the lists have him in like the top 50,
06:47but Greg Rosenthal had him 56th, which would indicate that he's going to get
06:52a pretty decent contract if there's any teams out there that have a need
06:56that feel that way about him.
06:57And then there's these other lists like Barnwell.
06:59I know that's, you know, the Barnwell one that you were looking at is where they've got Ed Ingram.
07:03He's got Ed Ingram as a backup making $2 to $4 million a year.
07:07So it's all over the place on Ingram right now.
07:10Here was Casario at the combine at the podium when he was asked about Ed Ingram.
07:16Yeah, Ed had a great year.
07:18Honestly, he probably had the best year of his career.
07:19You know, for the most part, he was out there, he missed a couple games there with injuries,
07:22but he's a good kid.
07:23He's strong, he's physical, he plays violent in the running game.
07:26You saw that on tape quite a bit, pretty good pass protection.
07:29So we're working through that process, you know, right now.
07:31So we'll have discussion with him and his representatives and, you know,
07:34kind of see how far agency goes.
07:36But I'm glad he was here.
07:37I mean, he's a player that we feel benefited from our program.
07:41And honestly, sometimes a change of scenery is good.
07:44Probably worked out for him and kind of worked out for us as well.
07:47But I'm glad Ed was on the team here this year.
07:49There's a lot of skepticism over Ed Ingram, and understandably so.
07:52He played way better this year than he had in his two years as a starter in Minnesota.
07:56I mean, he got benched in 2024, midway through the season.
07:59There's a reason they were able to get him for a sixth-round pick.
08:02Right.
08:02And, you know, it's a classic case, too, of, man, when he has issues in pass protection,
08:08it seems like he really has issues in pass protection.
08:11But by and large, I thought he was a solid starter and a plus player in the run game.
08:18So I think there's a lot of teams that might look at him,
08:20especially if they like their center and they like their right tackle,
08:24where they might look at him as saying, okay, you know what, we can really put him in here.
08:28Maybe we can get an even better version than what we saw with the Texans,
08:31when he doesn't have to be out on an island necessarily.
08:33I would like to have him back just because I think he's a confident starter,
08:38and I think he's got familiarity with the system,
08:41and it's one less position that you have to aggressively address.
08:45And if you put a Linderbaum at center next to him,
08:48and if you get a stud at left guard or right tackle or whatever,
08:52then you're going to see the best version of Ed Ingram.
08:55I just, yeah, I don't want to pay him like he's a perennial Pro Bowl guard, though,
09:00which sometimes happens in free agency.
09:02It does.
09:02Yeah, that's the thing.
09:03Like, I'm cool with the Texans paying, you know, $13, $14 million a year to a guard.
09:07I just don't know that I want it to be Ed Ingram.
09:09That's my thing.
09:11Hey, by the way, just to circle back, have you –
09:13Jonathan Alexander specifically mentioned –
09:15he mentions Linderbaum and then points out that that's a long shot and expensive.
09:20Yeah.
09:20Because there's – look, the Ravens want him back.
09:24His old coach, John Harbaugh, is now the coach in New York with the Giants.
09:27They have a need there.
09:28John Harbaugh's brother, Jim, is the coach in Los Angeles with the Chargers.
09:33Their center just retired, so they've got a need at center as well.
09:37It's going to be – it's going to be a tough market to compete for Linderbaum.
09:42This Cade Mays from Carolina, I've not – you know, I can't say I've watched a ton of Carolina football
09:48over the last couple of years, but Jonathan Alexander mentions Cade Mays in here as a possibility.
09:55Yeah.
09:55So, it's – if you look at her names.
09:57Yeah, no, he's a bona fide starter.
09:59I mean, like, there's 100 guys out there that go out and sign that would be upgrades at various positions
10:06on offense.
10:08I really – and honestly, I don't want to get too wrapped up in Linderbaum for all of those reasons
10:15that, okay, how much are you going to spend for a center?
10:17I would love it if they signed him.
10:18If they spend a ridiculously large sum of money to go for Linderbaum, you will not catch me saying,
10:25oh, this is irresponsible.
10:27No, no, no, no, no.
10:28But I get it.
10:29I get it if they don't want to be irresponsible the way that I'd be cool with them being irresponsible.
10:34It's really – you need – I need at least three additions to the offensive line.
10:40Yeah.
10:40And when I say three additions, I mean three guys that you expect to start this year.
10:45Right.
10:45Now, if Ed Ingram gets re-signed, then I need at least two additions.
10:49So, those are free agents or first-round picks.
10:51Yep.
10:52And those are the guys that you can sign and expect to start, a first-round pick and free agents.
10:57If it's more than – if it's not that, if they don't at least have three guys and or Ed
11:03Ingram,
11:04that's not going to be aggressive enough for my liking.
11:06It's got to be bona fide starters across the board plus Ariante Ursary.
11:11Let's see what he's got.
11:12Yep.
11:12And Titus Howard wherever he slots in.
11:15No, he's one of them.
11:16Yeah.
11:16Yeah.
11:17Yeah.
11:17Yep.
11:18So, the next bullet point on Jonathan Alexander's piece here, Texans – this will be a first if they do
11:27this.
11:27Texans will try to get younger at defensive tackle.
11:30And I feel like half the time – we'll do a mock draft injection again at 745 today.
11:35I feel like – I feel like about at least a third to a half of the time that we've
11:42been doing that exercise,
11:43that the experts out there have the Texans looking at defensive tackles.
11:46Yeah.
11:47But you've got to remember that a lot of the experts right now are just looking at the roster as
11:50it is.
11:51And they've got five departing defensive tackles in free agency.
11:55Is it four or five?
11:56It's a lot.
11:57It's a ton.
11:58So, I think part of it is just they look at it and nobody knows who Tommy Togiai is outside
12:03of Houston and maybe like –
12:05They better learn.
12:06Yeah, right.
12:07But these are the people – these are the people looking at it and saying, oh, there's clearly a hole
12:12there.
12:13So, meanwhile, the Texans have done a really good job of finding good guys for their system in free agency.
12:20And there's a good chance – there's 100% a chance that they sign a defensive tackle in the draft
12:25if they've already taken care of offensive line and running back.
12:31But also, I think there's – they're going to have at least three new defensive tackles on the roster before
12:37the draft, I think.
12:38Yeah.
12:39And one of them might be a higher price free agent.
12:41Possibly.
12:42But let's pretend that they – so, right now they've got Tommy Togiai and Mario Edwards.
12:46That's it.
12:47Yeah.
12:47I don't know who they – you know, who the future's reserve guys have.
12:51I'm just talking about guys that – if they had to go play an NFL game tomorrow, those are the
12:55only two bona fides that they've got on the roster that you feel like right now.
12:58If they brought back, let's say, Sheldon Rankins and Tim Settle.
13:03So, now you've got those four guys.
13:05Basically, the four guys they were rolling with for a while there.
13:08And they drafted a defensive tackle with the 28th overall pick.
13:11How would you feel?
13:12It would depend on what they did with the offensive line and running back and free agency.
13:16Okay.
13:16That's where I'd be – if they haven't taken care of the offensive line already, I'm going to be pissed.
13:20Yeah.
13:21And you can tell me all you want about how they don't draft for need or anything.
13:25B.S.
13:26They move around the board and sometimes, lo and behold, oh, they end up with a position of need.
13:31And that's – if they don't address offensive line aggressively and then they don't also draft an offensive lineman in
13:39the first round, yeah, I'm going to be pissed.
13:41Okay.
13:41Because that would mean you're going into the season just, you know, hey, sometimes it takes time to build slowly.
13:48All right.
13:49Mother – it's been – it's been years of building slowly.
13:52You don't have to get hot yet.
13:53Same for the Friday after day one of the draft.
13:56You asked me how – you told me how to – you asked how I would feel.
13:59Yeah, that's true.
13:59If they drafted a defensive tackle.
14:01That's how you –
14:01I'm trying to tell you how I'd feel.
14:02That's how you would feel.
14:03Depending on various circumstances.
14:04All right.
14:04So, if you're one of these people, if you're one of these sadists on the text line, they're like, you
14:08know what I love?
14:08When Seth gets really angry and starts screaming, circle the Friday after the draft in case – just in case
14:14the Texans have yet to address the offensive line
14:18and they draft, say, Caden McDonald out of Ohio State with their first day.
14:22Yeah, it would have nothing to do with Caden McDonald himself or anything.
14:26I'd be excited and intrigued by that.
14:28It's just that this offseason, they cannot do what they did last year.
14:32I don't think they're going – that D'Amico – I think that D'Amico clip that we played coming
14:36into this segment is pretty revealing.
14:38Right.
14:38Yeah, D'Amico flat out said they need to upgrade running back and offensive line.
14:42Flat out.
14:42And those are the only two positions that he said.
14:45Because we'd go back into – okay, the signings last year was, hey, Cam Robinson, who you end up getting
14:50rid of on a one-year deal within a few games into the season.
14:53You drafted Ariante Urssery in the second round.
14:56Great.
14:56You brought in a journeyman.
14:57You brought in two journeyman guards, Lakin Tomlinson, who was in a rotation competition for the first half of the
15:05season with Juice Scruggs,
15:07at which point they decided neither of these guys are good.
15:10They wasted a half season trying to see what they had in two guys that ultimately didn't play at all
15:18after that.
15:19Yeah.
15:19And that was the sum total – oh, and they signed Trent Brown, which awesome ended up being a –
15:25I'm glad that they did.
15:26That worked.
15:27But he ended up being injured for the final game of the year because he's 34 years old and he's
15:31coming off of a torn Achilles patellar tendon.
15:33Yeah.
15:34No, it just wasn't enough.
15:35No.
15:36No, it definitely wasn't.
15:37It definitely wasn't.
15:39All right, the last item here on Jonathan Alexander's piece is that the Texans still support C.J. Stroud.
15:46Here was D'Amico Ryan, same interview that we heard the cut from earlier with Judy Batista.
15:52Here is D'Amico Ryan's on C.J. Stroud.
15:55For me, our support has never changed for C.J.
15:58I support him.
15:59He knows I care about him.
16:01I love him.
16:02I told him that after the game.
16:03It's like I know it was a low moment, but, man, I love you.
16:06I know you're going to bounce back, and he's already been in working out.
16:10He's already understanding what he has to do.
16:13He has to have a great offseason, and he's prepared for that.
16:16He's working that way.
16:17He has the right mindset.
16:18Great young man, talented young man.
16:21He is part of the reason why we've had the success we've had with the Texans over the past three
16:26years,
16:27and he'll continue to lead us in that regard, and he's the guy.
16:32He's done a lot of great things for us.
16:34I'm pleased with what he's done, and I know what he's capable of.
16:38Great leader, great young man, and he's a really great quarterback as well.
16:43Okay, so I would say that's probably like almost the next-level version of what Nick Casario was saying earlier
16:48this week
16:49to all the various outlets in Indianapolis.
16:51I thought this was interesting, Seth, from Jonathan in this piece.
16:55He quotes Casario saying,
16:57He's our quarterback.
16:58We're not trading C.J. Stroud.
17:01Jonathan says,
17:01Now, whether the commitment extends much longer than that is still to be determined.
17:05While the Texans will engage in talks with Stroud's representation about a long-term contract,
17:11at some point, the expectation is that any potential long-term extension would not get done this offseason.
17:19I mean, that's the Texans beat writer right there who's in the building every day stating they will engage in
17:24talks,
17:26but the expectation is that a long-term extension would not get done this offseason.
17:32Sounds like when my mom would kind of tell me she'd hear me out on my argument for why I
17:37needed a motorcycle.
17:39Just, I'll listen to your arguments, but the answer is going to be no.
17:44You are not getting that motorcycle this offseason.
17:46Right.
17:47Yeah, yeah.
17:50So, as far as D'Amico's statement there, too, about how much he loves C.J.,
17:55it's always important to remember, all right, let's test that.
17:58You can love people who also don't end up being your starting quarterback two years from now.
18:03That's true.
18:03That's true.
18:04I love my uncle, Bill, but he's 73 years old.
18:07I'm not going to let him play on my flag football team.
18:10That's right.
18:10You know, he's no good to me.
18:12So, I'd say, I love you, Bill.
18:14But, no, you cannot play in our flag football league.
18:17And he'd be disappointed in that, probably?
18:20He would be, but, you know, as they say, love is the death of duty.
18:24And you've got to know when to separate love and duty at times.
18:29That's fair.
18:29Yeah, that is fair.
18:30Hey, I put up, do you feel like guessing at a poll question right now?
18:34I know you enjoy doing that.
18:35Yes.
18:35I don't even know what the poll is.
18:36Oh, here it is.
18:37The poll is, do you think C.J. Stroud, this is a question I threw at you the other day.
18:43Yeah.
18:43C.J. Stroud, in his three seasons, you know, the players vote on the NFL Top 100 every offseason,
18:50based largely on how players did the previous year.
18:53Largely.
18:54After C.J.'s rookie year, where he was offensive rookie of the year,
18:59he was voted the 20th best player in the NFL.
19:02It is wild.
19:04Given how the last couple years have gone and given how the playoffs went,
19:07it's crazy to think of a point in time where C.J. was viewed as the 20th best player in
19:11the league.
19:12So, anyways, after his rookie year, he was 20th in the Top 100.
19:16After his second year, which was not as good as his rookie year, statistically at least,
19:21he was 39th.
19:22So, now this is the third one coming up, the NFL Top 100.
19:25He's been 20th.
19:26He's been 39th.
19:28My question is a simple one.
19:29Do you think C.J. Stroud even makes the NFL Top 100 this season?
19:36Let's see.
19:36What do you think the people said, Seth?
19:39And the people, okay, first is the people.
19:42Let me, I just, there's one question I had about that.
19:45The, let's see, in 2025, there were eight quarterbacks in the NFL Top 100.
19:53Okay.
19:54I think.
19:54That's what I have, eight or nine.
19:56Okay.
19:56So, basically, you know, if we just go by that year, I don't know if that's a normal
20:00number or not.
20:01You're almost, guys are kind of putting maybe their top 10 quarterbacks in that list of
20:06Top 100 players.
20:08Yeah.
20:09And so, who?
20:11So, this year, is he going to be in the Top 100?
20:13Is he going to be in the Top 100?
20:14Yeah, I don't, I think a lot of players aren't going to put him in their Top 10 quarterbacks,
20:17which means he wouldn't be in the NFL Top 100.
20:19So, you say no.
20:20You think the people said no?
20:22No, I think the majority of Texans fans, or at least your followers on X, also said no.
20:30The question is, how hefty a majority?
20:32Right.
20:32You got, you, you're right.
20:33The majority said no.
20:34Yep.
20:35You're correct.
20:35I'm going to say, boy, people are still pretty pessimistic and down on Twitter.
20:39And it's Twitter also, keep in mind.
20:40Oh, it's Twitter, that's right.
20:42Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:42It's just a dark place.
20:44I'm going to say, it's a pessimistic place.
20:47It is.
20:48Hey, here's a video of cute puppies.
20:5129 comments of why those puppies look stupid.
20:54Fleas.
20:54Yeah.
20:55Yeah, right.
20:56I'm going to say 72% say no.
21:01Give him a ding, Ben.
21:02Barely, but give him a ding.
21:03We give Seth a ding if he's within 5%.
21:0876.8%.
21:09Oh, okay.
21:09Say no, he does not.
21:10I only get a ding if I'm within 3 plus or minus, plus or minus 3%.
21:14Is there, you check?
21:15Okay, because I've been doing 5.
21:16Have you?
21:17Yeah.
21:17No, that's too tough.
21:18You sound like the NFLPA report card where everybody gets A's and B's.
21:22I do.
21:22You're right.
21:23You're right.
21:26So, yeah.
21:27So that, okay, so 76.8% of Texan fans say no.
21:31He's going from 20th to 39th to, ow.
21:35That's where, I mean, looking at it realistically, it's more of a,
21:38it's as much of a primetime television and popularity contest when the
21:43players are voting on stuff like this.
21:45And CJ didn't do much in the regular season that really caught people's eye.
21:50Yeah.
21:50And then he really caught people's eye in the opposite direction in the
21:54playoffs.
21:55So when guys are sitting down, and think about that.
21:57Think about a player who sits down and actually does this.
21:59How many of them are there?
22:01We don't know.
22:01But he's got to, like, go through and think of 100 players to rank out.
22:06And you're not, after a while.
22:07I think that, I think the ballot only has 20.
22:10Oh, you, so you vote for your top 20.
22:12You vote for your top 20, I'm pretty sure.
22:13Oh, so you're only putting a couple of quarterbacks on there.
22:16Yeah, yeah.
22:16By and large.
22:17Yeah.
22:17So that, you know what?
22:19Because it's not the players sitting there and power ranking in their minds
22:22the top 10.
22:23Those guys are putting two or three quarterbacks on there.
22:26That's right.
22:26And I don't think there's a whole lot of players out there right now,
22:30even though they might love CJ Stroud, who are going to put CJ Stroud in their
22:33top three or four.
22:34Yeah, I'm with you on that.
22:35Because remember, they started posting some of the ballots on Instagram.
22:39Yeah.
22:39They wouldn't say whose they were, but they would show the handwritten ballots
22:42and stuff like that.
22:43So I think, yeah, it's that players send in their top 20.
22:46You're much more of a connoisseur of that poll than I am.
22:49I love the NFL top 100.
22:51I know you do.
22:52I used to love the Billboard top 40 with the songs back in the 80s and the 90s
22:56and stuff.
22:56I just love anything that gets ranked.
22:58I only like the NFL top 100 because they put out really good videos where they
23:02interview opponents.
23:02The vignettes are great.
23:04So when you see what other people are saying about Texans players on there, I
23:07like that.
23:07Those are great.
23:08Those are tremendous.
23:09Yeah.
23:10So CJ, and I think that 76.8% is reflective of how the fan base is feeling about
23:16CJ right now in a way.
23:18You know, if there's any sort of kind of dark cloud over things right now with the
23:23Texans, I would say, you know, if we're listing the reasons, CJ is probably at the
23:29top.
23:29They need to see CJ start performing better again.
23:31Yeah.
23:31I think CJ knows that.
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