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Seth and Sean dive into the top audio coming out of the NFL Combine, specifically from Robert Saleh, Ben Johnson, Ryan Poles and Andrew Berry. Then discuss the Jets' plan to franchise tag Breece Hall and if the Texans should think of trying to trade for him.
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00:00Seth, this is your buffet right here that you put together for sound from around the Combine yesterday.
00:08Man, there's some stuff I cannot wait to listen to in this.
00:10Yeah, it's not too much.
00:11Yeah, this is like almost going to be a Ben Johnson segment,
00:15and I'm excited about how much you're going to love Ben Johnson, the coach of the Cowboys.
00:18But the first one, Robert Sala, new coach in the AFC South,
00:23was asked by Landry Locker about the identity of the teams in the AFC South.
00:28In the AFC South, is there an identity?
00:31How would you assess the challenges in it?
00:34I know Houston's going to punch you in the mouth.
00:37I know Jacksonville's playing with a lot of confidence,
00:40and they've got a head coach, an offense, and a defense in a special teams unit
00:45that complements each other very, very well.
00:47And I know Indianapolis, before the injuries, was probably running the division there for a minute.
00:54So it is ultra-competitive.
00:56We have three tremendous head coaches, three tremendous staffs.
01:00So we're looking forward to getting our opportunity.
01:02Yeah.
01:03I thought the highest actual praise there was for the Texans.
01:06Yes.
01:06It makes sense that Robert Sala and D'Amico Ryans have their history together.
01:10Put you in the mouth.
01:11Robert Sala, the mentor to D'Amico Ryans.
01:13That's right.
01:14We'll call him that.
01:14That's right.
01:15Even though when Robert Sala got his start, he was just a lowly quality control guy,
01:20as D'Amico Ryans was a draft pick for the defensive rookie of the year for the Texans.
01:26They were on the Texans together.
01:28But, yeah, going to punch you in the mouth.
01:30I think that there's definitely a respect between Robert Sala and D'Amico Ryans.
01:35Yeah.
01:35As far as the praise that he gave for the Jaguars, they have a lot of confidence.
01:41And there's pretty much – I feel like that was a little tussle of the hair of the Jaguars.
01:44Do you?
01:45Yeah.
01:45Because I don't know.
01:46They have a lot of confidence.
01:47Like, Liam Cohen, for a guy who doesn't know how to say Duval –
01:52No, no, no.
01:52But Robert Sala and Liam Cohen – Liam Cohen hates Robert Sala.
01:56They got chippy last year.
01:58Yeah.
01:58Yeah.
01:59Oh, that's –
01:59Tell the audience why, for those who don't remember.
02:02Okay, because Robert Sala, before the 49ers played the Jaguars, said,
02:07hey, the Jaguars have a very good legal sign-stealing scheme.
02:11Yep.
02:12And went on to explain how good the Jaguars are at the very legal sign-stealing that they do
02:18on their offense reading the team's defense.
02:21And Robert Sala got all huffy about it.
02:24Told Robert Sala after the game –
02:26No, Liam Cohen got –
02:26Liam Cohen got –
02:27Liam Cohen, sorry.
02:28Liam Cohen got all huffy about it.
02:29Yeah.
02:29And took it like it was an insult or something.
02:32And after the game, told Robert Sala, keep my name out of your mouth, all that.
02:37Yeah.
02:37And Robert Sala's looking at him like, what the hell are you PO'd about?
02:41I was giving you a compliment, you idiot.
02:43That's right.
02:43Oh, good.
02:44Oh, I've never been a bigger Titans fan than I am twice this year when the Titans play the Jaguars.
02:49And that's going to hurt, too.
02:51Actually rooting for – but I'm with you.
02:53I'm with you.
02:53And that was a game the Jags won, by the way.
02:56That was week four last year.
02:58The Jags went to San Francisco and beat the 49ers.
03:00Liam Cohen does this annoying but very effective thing where he puts a – he takes something
03:05that's not an insult at all and turns it into an insult and uses it as a chip on his
03:10shoulder.
03:10He did it with Sean Payton.
03:11You know, Sean Payton was making a point – he wasn't all that eloquent with it,
03:15but he was making a point before the Broncos played the Jaguars that they probably don't
03:18get the attention they should because they're a small market team.
03:21Yeah.
03:21After the Jaguars won that game, Liam Cohen is acting like Payton saying that was a huge insult.
03:28Oh, yeah.
03:28Small market.
03:28Pretty good for a small market team.
03:30Yeah.
03:30Looks like even small market teams could win.
03:33Yeah.
03:33He was complimenting you.
03:34Yep.
03:35You sensitive bitch.
03:37Excuse my language.
03:40Kids, don't go to school today and call anybody.
03:43I don't know.
03:44If you give one of your teachers a compliment and they take it as an insult, go for it.
03:48You know what?
03:49Carte Blanche.
03:50Yeah.
03:50There you go.
03:50Call him a Liam Cohen.
03:51Sorry, parents.
03:52Just say you're no better than Liam Cohen.
03:53That's it.
03:54Call him a Liam Cohen.
03:55Yeah, there you go.
03:56So that was a good one.
03:57I like that.
03:58Salah with a nice compliment for the Texans.
04:00And, you know, he's obviously paying high praise, as he should, coaching the team.
04:05It's in last place in the AFC South.
04:07He's giving high praise to the other three teams.
04:09This division's not a pushover anymore.
04:11And I think Robert Salah going to the Titans is part of that.
04:14The Colts were one of the best teams in football for a while until their quarterback started backsliding.
04:20And then they lost him altogether.
04:22The Jags and the Texans are both really good football teams.
04:25You know, by where they sit in the NFL.
04:28You know, when I say really, I know there's going to be Texan fans going, what are you talking about?
04:31We got knocked out in the divisional round again.
04:33They're one of the last eight teams standing in the NFL again this year.
04:35You're a good football team if you're in the divisional round of the playoffs.
04:39Ask the other 18 non-playoff teams if the Texans are a good football team.
04:47You know what I mean?
04:48So, okay.
04:49So, Salah on the Texans in the AFC South getting punched in the mouth.
04:53What else you got?
04:53Sean Payton on the status of the tush push.
04:58I think if that ever goes away, it's not a health and safety thing, right?
05:02We discussed that last year for two hours, and we just adopted a thousand more kick returns.
05:09Which play do you think is more of a health risk?
05:14A thousand more kick returns.
05:16So, I think if we choose to ever move on from that, it won't be because of health and safety.
05:21It will just be like we don't like it.
05:23Which is okay.
05:25I agree with him 100%.
05:27And I think bringing up the kickoff rule and the number of kickoffs that it creates as opposed to touchbacks
05:33is the perfect counterpoint to anybody who says, no, it's about safety.
05:38Right, right.
05:39Well, that was the dumbest thing.
05:40That was the dumbest thing the people who wanted to ban the tush push did last year was they tried
05:45to make it a health and safety issue.
05:46And pretty much anybody with a thinking brain would say, based on the people who presented it as a safety
05:53issue, put out, like, acknowledge that the stats don't show that it's a safety issue at all.
05:59Right.
06:00It's just, so their disingenuousness about it, I think it was off-putting to a lot of people who were
06:05probably voting on it.
06:06I think that, I agree with everything Peyton said right there, which is, if they do ban it, it's just
06:11because people don't like the play.
06:12Right.
06:12And that's fine, too.
06:13I'm cool with them banning it if they just think it's a boring play.
06:16You know my feeling on this about the vote last year is that if you were going to vote against
06:20the tush push last year, the best reason to do it was that Jeffrey Lurie, the owner of the Eagles,
06:25got up and did a one-hour presentation.
06:28I'm not exaggerating.
06:29Yeah, one hour is too long.
06:30One hour is too long for any presentation.
06:32Who do you think you are?
06:33Especially one that's as self-serving as let's keep the tush push in.
06:37My reason for not wanting to ban it last year is just because it felt unsportsmanlike, if it's not a
06:43health and safety issue, to ban it when the Super Bowl-winning team was the bread and butter of your
06:49Super Bowl-winning team.
06:50That just felt like, okay, you're just trying to slice the Achilles of your most dangerous foe.
06:56Now that the Eagles came back down to earth a little bit, I would feel cool with banning it this
06:59year.
07:00Yeah, well, the Eagles came back down to earth, and other teams have started to use it pretty effectively, get
07:04a little creative off of it as well.
07:05I don't think it's nearly the blight that a lot of people thought it was.
07:09I'm with you.
07:09The part I agree with you on is I just don't like the aesthetics of the play.
07:13I think it's a boring, stupid play.
07:15And you just do it over and over again.
07:17You can almost anticipate, okay, here we go.
07:19Here we go.
07:19Yeah, it's interesting.
07:20We'll get to the next cut here in a second.
07:23The big Sean Payton news that I was seeing yesterday is that he is ceding play-calling duties to his
07:29new hire, Davis Webb.
07:30Oh, yeah.
07:31Davis Webb is going to be calling plays for the Broncos, which makes me root really hard for the Broncos
07:36to collapse offensively so I can see Payton take play-calling duties back in, like, week six or something like
07:43that.
07:44Because I was seeing a lot of this stuff like, well, if you're going to give play-calling duties to
07:48anybody, it should be to Davis.
07:50Like, Davis Webb is, like, the next huge thing or something like that.
07:53You know how I feel about that.
07:54When someone gets prematurely propped up as the next big thing, there's nothing more that I like seeing than their
08:01equally premature demise.
08:04The Davis Webb was involved in some kind of Texans discussion at one point, but I don't remember what it
08:11was.
08:11Well, they were doing a lot of hiring a few years ago.
08:13Yeah, they didn't.
08:14Yeah, it was in 2023.
08:16It might have been in 2023.
08:17I think that's what it was, because Davis Webb was going to transition into coaching, and maybe people – I
08:22don't think D'Amico interviewed him, but whatever.
08:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:25Well, he's a Texas Tech guy, so there's that.
08:28So, next one.
08:29Yeah, yeah.
08:31The guy that we love to hate, Ryan Poles, the general manager of the Bears.
08:34Yeah.
08:36I've got to give him credit here.
08:37I do, too.
08:38All of a sudden, backup quarterback Tyson Bagent is a topic of trade discussions.
08:43Oh, man.
08:44Here's Ryan Poles on claiming that Tyson Bagent is generating interest.
08:49Someone like Tyson is going to get some interest.
08:52We've gotten a few calls there.
08:54Obviously, the tough thing is with what Ben thinks about Tyson, what I think about Tyson, what our locker room
09:00thinks about Tyson.
09:01That's a really tough decision for us.
09:05But for Tyson as well, I think he would have an opportunity to go and perform for our team and
09:10do some really good things.
09:12But, again, you've got to weigh the short-term and long-term.
09:14So, now, what's the cost of replacement, right, to get someone like Tyson?
09:17We spent a lot of time developing him.
09:18Ben spent a lot of time developing him.
09:20So, you've got to replace that as well.
09:21So, interesting dynamic there that we're going to have to work through.
09:24This feels very Carnival Bark-ish right now.
09:26This feels very like the Patriots with Ryan Mallett.
09:29Yeah.
09:29When they tried to trade him.
09:30Remember, they almost traded him to the Texans.
09:33They wanted a second-round pick or something.
09:36I don't know.
09:36I forget.
09:37Eventually, they did trade him to the Texans for a hell of a lot less.
09:41Right, right.
09:41There was one off-season where everybody on the Patriots was pushing this narrative that, boy, Ryan Mallett is just
09:49destroying people out there.
09:51Man, it's like nothing I've ever seen.
09:53Belichick was granting interviews with people to talk about Ryan Mallett.
09:57And they thought that they were going to try to trade Ryan Mallett away.
10:00So, I appreciate it.
10:01And who knows how close they came to actually trading him that first time to the Texans.
10:06I think that's what Ryan Poles is doing here.
10:08I don't know.
10:10Drumming up interest.
10:11He said, yeah, I think he's going to get some interest.
10:15We've gotten a couple calls on him.
10:16Well, which is it?
10:17You think there's going to be interest?
10:19Right.
10:20Because you said it.
10:21But then you said you've gotten a couple calls on him.
10:23Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:24I think maybe it means there's going to be more interest.
10:26Who knows?
10:26But, yeah, Tyson, that was a lot about that.
10:29That was more than I expected to hear about Tyson Badgent this morning.
10:32I watched him in the preseason last year, and I was impressed with him in one of his preseason games.
10:37You know who else was impressive in the preseason last year?
10:40Graham Mertz.
10:40Graham Mertz?
10:41Yeah.
10:41Why didn't anybody ask about Graham Mertz?
10:43Why did Nick not get up there yesterday and talk about all the interest there's going to be in Graham
10:47Mertz?
10:48We need to start building it now.
10:49Missed opportunity by the Texans GM yesterday.
10:52If he can do it, just sprinkle his name in here and there.
10:55And, you know, maybe Graham Mertz gets a nice, tidy little package at some point.
10:59This is the part I've been looking forward to because you've been telling me you've been out on the corner
11:04here shouting the virtues of Ben Johnson,
11:07much like Poles is doing it for Tyson Badgent right now.
11:10Yeah, so Ryan Poles, the GM, loves the media attention, and it gets annoying.
11:15I feel like Ben Johnson, I don't know if he loves the media attention or not, but, man, he's just
11:19fun.
11:19And there's a WWE element to him in the way he thinks that fans should view the game.
11:26Here is Ben Johnson, I believe being asked by Mike Florio, about the Packers rivalry.
11:32Watch any Seinfeld growing up?
11:33Just a little bit.
11:34Okay.
11:34Why do you ask?
11:35Well, because I'm going to ask you a question the way Jerry Seinfeld would.
11:38What is the deal with the Packers?
11:42Who likes the Packers?
11:45How much of that is leaning fully into your job as Bears coach, and how much of it is how
11:51you truly feel?
11:52Yeah, I mean, the Bears and the Packers, they should not like each other.
11:58I think it's as simple as that.
11:59And I think that's going to make this rivalry, this game, something that people are going to watch here going
12:06forward.
12:08Have you talked to Matt LaFleur at all?
12:09Because I feel like he gets confused.
12:11Like, what did I do?
12:12Do you have any relationship with him?
12:14Have you heard from him?
12:14Has he called you up and he said, what's the deal?
12:15Like, anything like that?
12:16No, we don't talk.
12:17Okay.
12:18Do you want it that way?
12:19I'm good with it.
12:19Yeah.
12:20Has he tried to reach out to you?
12:21No.
12:22The league is going to love this guy, man.
12:25He leans into it hardcore.
12:27And the funniest thing about this is, every time I've ever read any descriptions of Matt LaFleur's personality,
12:32it almost sounds like he's neurotic.
12:35Just kind of, just not like the alpha male type necessarily.
12:40He doesn't, I can tell you right now, he does not want any of this smoke right now.
12:44No, he doesn't want to play along with the WWE.
12:47God, no.
12:47God, no.
12:48But Ben Johnson just leans into it.
12:50Oh, I love it.
12:51I mean, this is something I don't, what, this is Lane Kiffin like.
12:55Yeah, very much so.
12:56I mean, he just flat out takes shot after shot.
12:58Remember, he was bleeped the Bears after they, or bleeped the Packers after the, after they
13:04beat him in the playoffs.
13:05Yes, I do.
13:06Yeah.
13:07I do.
13:07I do.
13:08And his, and he, you know, who, who know you, you know, who's buying into it?
13:10His locker room.
13:11They love him.
13:12And he rips his shirt off after games, you know, and they, you know, when they're doing
13:16the, the locker room scrum and doing his speech and everything, he's awesome, man.
13:20I thought this was an interesting exchange with Ben Johnson, who's famous now for going
13:25for it on fourth down a lot to the point where I think even, uh, even, even, uh, analytics
13:31types sometimes feel like they're, uh, they've shown up rumors.
13:35Oh, no, no, sir.
13:38I'm not ready for this.
13:40Yep.
13:40Uh, this is, this is Pete Prisco, who's not a fan of analytics and overly aggressive fourth
13:47down behavior, uh, asking Ben Johnson about his overly aggressive fourth down behavior.
13:52Guy, fourth down.
13:53I know you tend to go for a lot.
13:55Is that something that's going to stay with you?
13:57Or do you think as you get older and become more of an established coach, that maybe you'll
14:00change your philosophy a little bit?
14:01No, I think we're going to convert more fourth downs next year.
14:03And I think we'll, we'll get you more on our side.
14:06I don't think I'm ever getting to that side.
14:07I don't think.
14:08That's all right.
14:08It's hard.
14:09It's hard for me.
14:09I watch it all over the league.
14:10It's not just you.
14:11I just everybody.
14:11I think there's some situations where it calls for it, but other situations I sit there and say,
14:14well, yeah, it's, it's rare.
14:15I'll be honest with you.
14:16It's rare when, uh, over the course of the season that I felt like we were wrong with
14:21when we went for it on fourth down.
14:22That's just me.
14:23That's, that's our approach.
14:24Um, like I said, we need to convert more than what we did a year ago.
14:28And that'd be a point of emphasis for us going forward.
14:30Yeah.
14:31Uh, and then he had a couple of good explanations about his process for it.
14:34He's got his analytics guy that he talks to a lot.
14:37A lot of times it comes down to just a 50, 50 decision.
14:39Um, but I, I liked that.
14:42He said the plan was, no, we're going to convert more of the fourth down next year.
14:45I also liked that Prisco kind of, uh, I mean, gave him a little bit of an insult there,
14:51or it could be perceived in his insult was when he said, are you, you think you'll change
14:55as you get more established and older as if to say that this is the folly of youth or
15:00something, or that it's an insecurity or something like that.
15:04Yes.
15:04Ben Johnson didn't take the bait at all.
15:06Basically what he said is, as you get older, are you going to be more thinking more like
15:09I think, which is the right way.
15:12Are you going to, as you get older, you're going to start to think more and more like
15:16an aging columnist and radio host.
15:19Is that, uh, or are you going to keep being a head football coach with some bravado?
15:23We need to start asking coaches that when you get to be, uh, you know, when you start to
15:27think a little bit more like a, like a 50 year old sports radio host.
15:31Yeah.
15:31Do you think you're going to be a better coach because of it?
15:33That's when your life's going to get a whole lot better, man.
15:35I'm telling you, I don't know.
15:36Do you ever think you'll get to Mike Francesa level of wisdom in your football coaching?
15:40Oh God.
15:43We're punting every time.
15:45I'm sorry to beat you over the head with Ben Johnson this morning, but he was really
15:49interested.
15:49Oh, that's cool.
15:50I like those two.
15:50We got one more.
15:51Don't we?
15:52Caleb Williams was atrocious apparently in the three point shooting contest at the all-star
15:55game.
15:56Oh, really?
15:56I guess.
15:57Yeah.
15:57I didn't see it.
15:58I only know about it because Ben Johnson had texted him about it.
16:01But Ben Johnson told the story about texting Caleb Williams before that atrocious performance.
16:06Did you see the three point contest?
16:07Did you feel better?
16:08Were you worried?
16:09Well, I sent him a meme of a guy just missing left and right, like before.
16:16And then when it actually happened, I felt bad.
16:19I was like, whoops.
16:20Spoke that one into existence, didn't I?
16:21Oh, that's evil.
16:23Sending it to him right before.
16:27Tell you what, that would affect my evaluation of Caleb Williams.
16:30He got rattled.
16:31He got rattled by the meme that Ben Johnson sent to him before the three point contest.
16:37Yeah.
16:37Yeah.
16:37That's a, that's a, it's a sign right there.
16:40That'd be 7% less likely to give him a contract extension after next year.
16:44I like that.
16:45You know, my old strategy with long snappers was always to try to point out that, wow,
16:51wow, the grass is kind of slick today or just, man, that's just, did you feel the,
16:56did the ball feel sticky to you?
16:58I just try to put something into their brain.
17:01They get in their heads, man.
17:02Yeah.
17:02About, about, you know, just something, you know, when you're throwing darts and, and
17:07it just, all of a sudden it feels a little different in your hand.
17:10Yeah.
17:10And it's just like, sometimes it's because you've had three pitchers of beer.
17:13Sure.
17:13Sometimes things are just off.
17:15Yeah.
17:15Yep.
17:15Yep.
17:15Yep.
17:15You're just aiming it a little bit.
17:17I use my extensive experience as a, as a horrible darts, drunk, dart player to try to affect
17:24world-class long snappers.
17:26To psych out long snappers.
17:27That's smart.
17:28All right.
17:29Um, what else we got here?
17:30We got a few more from the combine.
17:31Okay.
17:32A couple here from Andrew Barry, the GM, uh, of the Browns about Deshaun Watson and Shadur
17:38Sanders.
17:38This is the first one.
17:40A lot of people wondering, okay, is Deshaun really in the plans for this season?
17:43What's the deal with him?
17:44This is Andrew Barry on Deshaun's off season.
17:46First, I'll say we're very pleased with how Deshaun went through and attacked his, his
17:51rehab this past year, how he engaged with the team, what he did in the meeting rooms.
17:54Um, very pleased with the progress that he made in that regard.
17:58Um, look, I can never preach the future, but right now we do anticipate him being on
18:02the 2026 team.
18:04Um, but we have a long way to go before, you know, we get to that point with any player.
18:09So impressed with his off season.
18:11We'll see.
18:12It's going to be a long way to go.
18:13And then somebody asked specifically about, uh, Deshaun and Shadur and their statuses.
18:18Any player that we have in that room, we would expect to, you know, to compete, to earn a
18:23role.
18:24Um, those two would be no different.
18:26So this is notable only because I found it interesting that Browns fans found it so notable.
18:31Yeah.
18:31That was really, if I had listened to both of those together, I would think, okay, what's
18:35yeah, sure.
18:36It makes sense.
18:36They're on the roster.
18:37Barry didn't say anything above and beyond.
18:39But I think that, I think people in Cleveland are so thirsty for either naming Shadur the
18:46starter or getting rid of Shadur.
18:48I talked to Figgy about this.
18:49Okay.
18:50Figgy, a Cleveland native.
18:51Cleveland native.
18:51He said in his neighborhood, it's just about split.
18:54I had like split down the middle of people that like, or people that hate Shadur Sanders.
18:59So the Browns fans in general, there's some that love Shadur.
19:02There's some that want to go.
19:03But then others that also want to maybe see if there's some kind of way, um, out of, I
19:08think the reason that these quotes got a lot of, uh, uh, of traction was they want
19:13to see if there's some kind of movement or way out of the Deshaun Watson situation.
19:16That's or, or there's some that probably love Deshaun or want to try Deshaun.
19:20That's the thing that Deshaun angle is the interesting one to me because the Shadur thing
19:24just feels so, it feels like such a dead horse that's been beaten and anytime, anything that
19:29any opportunity, the Shadur people have to point out to you how wronged he was by falling
19:35to the fifth round, they'll take it up point to this week with Fernando Mendoza, not throwing
19:39at the combine.
19:40All of a sudden, this is some sort of thing where, well, for Mendoza better fall to the
19:44fifth round, like Shadur did when he didn't throw it.
19:46Everybody got mad at him last year.
19:49The Deshaun thing is interesting to me because as you know, Seth, I dip in on Cleveland radio,
19:53probably more than most people do here in Houston.
19:56And the guys I listened to there and it, and it drifts into their callers as well.
20:01They, they just dread having to endure another Deshaun season.
20:06Yeah.
20:06They're so out on Deshaun up there and it's, and I guess it's understandable, but on the
20:10flip side is like, okay, well, you're paying him already.
20:13He's on the cap for jillions of dollars.
20:16He's been attacking his rehab.
20:18We saw him on the sidelines late last season, you know, kind of mentoring Shadur through his
20:23starts.
20:23So at least outwardly, and according to Andrew Barry, he's doing all the right things in
20:28the building there now, which I don't know if that was always the case.
20:31It's, it's a really weird thing with Deshaun where he seems more like he wants to be a
20:35Cleveland Brown now than when he was actually a healthy Cleveland Brown starting quarterback.
20:39Well, it's almost, um, I mean, he's been knocked down a few pegs, you know, and it might
20:44be as simple as that.
20:45Yep.
20:46It's like, um, it's like Jamie Lannister in game of Thrones, you know, when you're
20:51the prince and you're the chosen one and everything, and everything's gone great for
20:54you, then you can be a cocky, just, you know, carefree individual.
20:59You spend a, spend a year or two chained to a post in the mud in your own filth with
21:04no hands change you.
21:05Yeah.
21:06Yeah.
21:06With your hand chopped off.
21:07He's got that part.
21:08Deshaun basically has been throwing the football like he doesn't have a hand.
21:11That's true.
21:11But that analogy holds up.
21:13Yeah.
21:14Yeah.
21:14Yeah.
21:15I get it.
21:15The, I, I go, you know, I go back to, I remember talking to Albert Breer after the
21:20Texans game where Deshaun made his, his debut in Houston.
21:25Yeah.
21:25And I was talking to Breer on our, we were walking out to the parking lot together and
21:29he had, I think he had come to the game just to cover that, that aspect of it.
21:32Yeah.
21:33And he had said, you know, I was really surprised that there just wasn't more emotion from
21:38Texans fans negatively or positively, just whatever about Deshaun.
21:44And I said that I think really, if I had to sum up what I felt like the fan base
21:49felt
21:49like at that moment.
21:50Yeah.
21:50Is that we were just, we were tired of being a spectacle.
21:53Yeah.
21:53That it was just, it had been such a long ordeal.
21:57Everybody was emotionally exhausted from it.
22:00And I don't think really a lot of Texans fans really had, we didn't have, we weren't eager
22:04to boo Deshaun or anything.
22:05We just wanted to be done with it all.
22:07And I would imagine that's how Browns fans are now feeling about the whole situation.
22:11I would imagine, I would imagine that as well.
22:13I would imagine that as well.
22:14So, but we'll, but here's the thing too, and I don't want to go too deep on the Cleveland
22:17Browns, but I think they're, I think they're in a sort of an analogous situation that the
22:21Texans are in, which is if they get just decent quarterback play, that defense is good
22:25enough to go win way more games than people expect them to be able to win.
22:28That's a good defense that they've got there in Cleveland.
22:31And so they, if they just get marginal, slightly below average quarterback play, they're, you
22:37know, assuming they can run the football.
22:38They need a few more weapons, but yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
22:41All right.
22:41We got one more here.
22:42Let's go.
22:43This is a, this is an interesting one.
22:44Cause it's a Jeff Halfley, new coach of the dolphins who signed Kevin Petulo, former
22:49offensive coordinator for the Eagles.
22:51Oh, they did not like him in Philly.
22:53I tell you reviled in Philadelphia.
22:55Uh, uh, this is Jeff Halfley, just gushing about Kevin Petulo, who will be replacing
23:01Bobby Sloick as the dolphins passing game coordinator.
23:04When I interviewed him, I was blown away.
23:07The knowledge that he has, the football experience that he has, what he did for that entire organization.
23:13Don't forget he won a Superbowl and behind the scenes, what he did with that offense and
23:17with that whole team and listening to him, talk in his football knowledge and not just
23:21about offense, but about game management, about situational football, I got off to zoom
23:26and I said to Bobby, I said, we've got to try to hire this guy.
23:28And he had other opportunities and other options.
23:31Um, I think he's going to be a huge asset to what we do.
23:34And I think often it's unfair to judge anybody off of one single year.
23:38Okay.
23:39And you pointed out he's, he's replacing Bobby Sloick cause Sloick is getting promoted
23:43to, to offensive, to offensive coordinators.
23:46So now they have two guys, two guys, they have the offensive coordinator and Bobby Sloick who,
23:50uh, I don't know if he's, I don't think reviled is the right word, but not thought highly
23:53of in Houston as an offensive coordinator.
23:55Um, and now Kevin Petulo, who's reviled in Philadelphia because of a look, let's be honest,
24:01Philadelphians revile more things than the average person.
24:04That's fair.
24:05If, if, if Bobby Sloick had done the exact same thing in, uh, in Philadelphia, he would
24:11be reviled, not just dislike time, big time.
24:14But it's just funny to listen to that cut.
24:15Like, Ooh, all these things he told me about how awesome he is.
24:18It's just, you know what he is?
24:19He's awesome.
24:20Yeah.
24:20Don't forget.
24:21He won a Superbowl, but not as the offensive coordinator.
24:26He won a Superbowl as the, the past game coordinator.
24:30And then the next year when he was the offensive coordinator, they, they were an extreme disappointment.
24:34He was in the building for a Superbowl.
24:37That's he didn't win us.
24:38He was in the building for a Superbowl.
24:40A lot of Eagles fans were like, boy, I hope Jalen Waddle runs a good hitch.
24:43Yeah.
24:44This is, uh, well, I look, I, um, I am already on under for the dolphins this year for their
24:50win total.
24:50As low as it is, they have the lowest in the NFL at four and a half.
24:53This feels like a team, especially if they trade away to, uh, or move on from to a cut
24:58him, whatever they decide to do with them.
25:00And you're just going to throw Quinn yours out there for a season.
25:02Yeah.
25:03That feels like two and 15 coming in Miami.
25:05We'll see.
25:06We'll see.
25:07Um, pain and pender gas with you.
25:08That was good stuff, man.
25:09A little trip around the combine yesterday, hitting all the topics from around the league.
25:12I had like 15 more clips.
25:14There's so much, there's just so much interesting stuff out there.
25:17We got two more days this week, man.
25:19Okay.
25:19Thursday and Friday.
25:20We've still got more Nick Casario audio to get to the, that we haven't been able to listen
25:23from the GM show last night.
25:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:25And we'll get to that as well.
25:27Um, I want to circle back to this.
25:28We touched on it in headlines, but I think this is important for the tech.
25:32There are options that are coming off the board now at the running back position.
25:37I think it's safe to say most Texan fans feel that if you're to power rank, the most important
25:41positions for the Texans to address this off season, it's either interior offensive line
25:47or running back.
25:48Those feel like they're the top two.
25:49There are others that they need to build some depth, but these are positions where they
25:54need to build some, you know, the front lines.
25:56Um, Nick Casario said to the media yesterday, he was asked in the mini scrum that he did before
26:01the big press conference about the running back position.
26:03And he said, well, we've got Woody Marks and we've got Juar Jordan and we've got British
26:08Brooks.
26:09So basically they got a guy who's a rookie last year and two guys who didn't touch the
26:12football until late in the season last year.
26:15Um, is there running back room?
26:17Brees hall is coming off the board.
26:20He is going to get, if they don't agree to a long-term deal, he's going to get the franchise
26:24tag from the, from the New York jets, which means that he can sit out.
26:30He doesn't have to go to training camp.
26:31I don't know if he wants to be a jet long-term.
26:33I wouldn't want to be if I were him.
26:35Um, I think that's the one position, Seth, where if you're a, if you're a guy who's going
26:40to be one of the top free agents on the market, running back is a position where you try to
26:45dig in as much as you can to hit the market.
26:48So you can maximize your years and your guaranteed money, because that is a position that is
26:55undervalued and is a position where it has a very specific odometer where your game is
26:59going to start to dip here in a couple of years and you got to get while the getting's
27:03good and I don't know that the 13 million or whatever the franchise tag is for the running
27:08back position is enough for Brees hall to say, Oh yeah, I'm back jets.
27:11Here we go.
27:11I'm, I guess he's going to not sign it and he's going to sit out and he's going to try
27:15to force them to move him somewhere that will give him that deal that he's looking.
27:19I can't remember.
27:20Did he comment publicly at the time approaching the trade deadline or anything about it?
27:26I don't, I don't recall any hearing him kind of pulling an AJ Brown or anything.
27:30No, I don't just, or even close to just trying to push his way out or anything.
27:36Yep.
27:36Um, that'd be interesting.
27:38That'd be an interesting, you know, this might be an interesting test too, about just maybe
27:42Aaron Glenn's influence and how if, if he can coax Brees hall into actually wanting to be
27:49there, uh, for the turnaround and all of that.
27:51Um, that's a, that's something that could be a factor.
27:54We just wouldn't know.
27:55Okay.
27:55So I just Googled, did Brees hall agitate for a trade?
27:59Here's what, uh, here's what Google says is Gemini, Google's AI, um, a little, uh, sidecar
28:05there.
28:06I think it is.
28:06It's Gemini Google.
28:08Yeah.
28:08Yeah.
28:08So this is Gemini.
28:09Yeah, but when you Google it, it's not as good as Gemini, but yeah.
28:12Um, based on reports surrounding the trade deadline last season, Brees hall expressed
28:18significant frustration with the New York jets and according to insiders like Jordan
28:23Schultz of the sporting news wanted to quote, wanted to be out of New York while he did not
28:27publicly demand a trade, his actions, Oh, including a cryptic Instagram post and reports of discontent
28:36suggested a desire for a change.
28:37So this would feel, and I'm guessing there's, there's nothing that happened in the second
28:41half of the season for the jets that would suggest like, Oh, okay.
28:44Now I want to be in New York.
28:46Right.
28:46If anything got worse.
28:48Okay.
28:48That's good to know.
28:49I'm glad I asked that question.
28:50Yeah.
28:50Yeah.
28:51So, um, so this, this would seem to be, we had a, we had a listener ask earlier, do you
28:55guys think he signs a tag?
28:56I don't know.
28:57Based on what I just Googled, I would say no.
28:59And I think just based on the behavior of running backs in general and what we just said
29:03about the running back market, I would say, yeah, posting a series of photos on Instagram
29:06with a hashtag free 20 feels like, Oh, is that what it was?
29:11Yes.
29:11That's what it's a Jersey number for those trade rumors ignite after running back Brees
29:17Hall's cryptic post.
29:19Yes.
29:19Oh, I guess so.
29:20I guess the question then becomes his number is 20 for the listeners.
29:24The, the, the question then becomes, if you're the Texans, are you willing to trade a draft
29:30pick for the right to pay Brees Hall?
29:32Right.
29:33Which last year, it seemed like it was about a third round pick.
29:37Yes.
29:37Might've been the going price and nobody wanted to pony that up.
29:41And the, the Jets stood firm to which most of us said like, really Jets?
29:45Really?
29:46But if they're playing, that makes me feel like, look, they traded away two really good
29:52players who are making a lot more money than Brees Hall.
29:55Yeah.
29:55Um, but the franchise tag is a lot of money too.
29:57I think that I, it, especially if Brees Hall is putting hashtag free 20 out there, um, during
30:03the season that this is a, they're willing to use the tag as they attempt to look for
30:08a trade.
30:08So would you trade the 69th overall pick in the draft if you're the Texans for the right
30:12to give Brees Hall?
30:13I think the estimate that I saw, he's the top back on the market.
30:16Yeah.
30:16The estimate I saw was like four years, 50 some odd million.
30:20Yeah.
30:20We're talking 12, but you would do that, huh?
30:22Yeah.
30:22You would trade a third round pick for the right to pay and loose with my third rounders,
30:26Sean.
30:26Yeah.
30:27I know the hit rate on third round.
30:28I can tell.
30:29You got about one third chance of a third rounder becoming a bonafide starter.
30:34So I'm a, I'm willing to do that.
30:36Yeah.
30:36Yeah.
30:36No, I, I'm, you know, again, it's the double whammy.
30:38That's the thing for me.
30:39Like, yeah, it's the double whammy.
30:41I, the, of the, of the draft pick plus, and plus Nick, Nick's been pretty good in the third
30:45round.
30:45He's found some guys in the third round.
30:47Like he's had pretty good success drafting there.
30:50Um, I, I would not do it.
30:52And yet I would do that thing that if they were to do it, Seth, I would come in the
30:56next day.
30:57Very excited at Brees Hall on my football team.
30:59I wouldn't be a Debbie downer about it.
31:00I don't think, I don't think it's an insane thing to do.
31:03This is where, what did Nick say yesterday?
31:05You know, talking about, you know, basically alluding to putting a good supporting cast
31:09around CJ or putting guys on offense out there.
31:13Um, I'm, I'm done with patience.
31:15It's put up or shut up time.
31:17Yeah.
31:17You gotta, you gotta, this, they haven't had a good rushing attack the entire time CJ
31:20Stroud's been here.
31:21So yeah, I'll give CJ the benefit of the doubt, partly based on the fact that there's nothing
31:27that helps out.
31:28Uh, the two things that help out a young running back by far, or excuse me, a young quarterback
31:31by far the most are a good defense and a good rushing attack.
31:35That makes it easy for young quarterbacks.
31:38Russell Wilson had a good rushing attack his rookie year.
31:40Tom Brady had a good rushing attack his rookie year.
31:42Ben Roethlisberger had a good rushing attack his second year.
31:45Like all those guys, or I guess Tom Brady in his second year, all those guys as young
31:49quarterbacks, they had good rushing attacks.
31:51They had good defenses on the other side.
31:52Russell Wilson had one of the best defenses in the league.
31:54So CJ's got that.
31:55He's got a good defense, but he hasn't had a good rushing attack the entire time.
31:59No.
31:59And I would be just as a, as the player goes, I'm not talking about the contract or what
32:04you'd have to give up.
32:05And again, we're assuming the Jets are going to franchise tag Brees Hall.
32:08And, and I don't know that the Texans have the stomach to trade picks for the right to
32:12pay a guy.
32:13Cause he's going to want to get paid.
32:14Yeah.
32:15Um, I, I would be more excited about the player Brees Hall than I was Joe Mixon a few years
32:20ago.
32:20Damn it.
32:21You make a good point about Nick actually being good in the third round.
32:24Are you, are you looking at the list?
32:25Yeah.
32:26It's annoying me.
32:27Cause I was even trying to, in my mind, think of the bad third round picks that Nick has
32:31had.
32:31Dude, Nico tank.
32:32Okay.
32:33Yeah.
32:33Go, we'll go start in 2021.
32:35Niko and Davis.
32:36Davis is a third round pick.
32:37If you want a guy that can win games as a backup quarterback, that's a good use of a third
32:41round.
32:41That's a successful pick.
32:42Niko Collins, obviously it was a good, was a good pick.
32:45Yeah.
32:45Christian Harris, I think was a good pick.
32:47It's his medical mystery that, I mean, he's not been the same guy since he had that cap
32:53issue.
32:53So I would say that was a good pick.
32:54Yep.
32:55Tank Dell.
32:56The question about tank Dell ended up being, all right, if he ends up being injury prone his
33:01entire career and it's because he's small, should you have seen that?
33:05I would say that's the very concern about tank Dell that knocked him down into the third
33:09round.
33:10Yeah.
33:10But as far as actual performance on the field, yeah, I'll call that a good pick.
33:14Dude, we know what the ceiling looks like with tank Dell.
33:16That's the thing.
33:17We've seen it.
33:17Kaelin Bullock.
33:18I'm not leaving any out here, everybody.
33:20This is Kaelin Bullock, third round pick.
33:23And then last year's Jalen Smith, Jalen Noel.
33:25We'll see over the next couple of years.
33:27Yeah.
33:27That's a really, given that previously the Texans had been atrocious at third round picks,
33:32they wasted so many third rounds.
33:34I got to change.
33:35I got to change my, uh, my currency equivalency there.
33:39Yeah.
33:39My exchange rate on third round picks.
33:41Yeah.
33:42All right.
33:43Hell, I'd be more inclined to trade a second rounder because Nick's been better in the
33:46third round than the second rounder.
33:48We need to trade every pick for third round.
33:51I know I want nothing.
33:52Nothing but third rounders.
33:53I want 17 third round picks in this draft.
33:55Nick is nails in the third round of the draft.
33:57Are you even paying attention, Nick?
33:58Nick, I would say this here, here was, here was Nick yesterday with the local media on
34:04the current Joe Mixon situation.
34:07We've talked to Joe and his representative.
34:10So honestly, it's, it's day to day.
34:14So we've had conversations, trying to get a little bit more information.
34:18Um, you know, he's had, I think he had a surgery here, his off season, some capacity.
34:23So, you know, trying to get some follow up after that.
34:25So again, it's, again, I've said this multiple times, I'm not trying to be evasive.
34:29It's a moving target.
34:30So we'll kind of see what the availability is going to be, what the prognosis is for the
34:35season.
34:35And then ultimately try to figure out like what makes sense for, for everybody.
34:39Yeah.
34:40So that's where they're at with Mixon.
34:41I, you know, Aaron Wilson had reports yesterday that they're going to move on from Joe Mixon.
34:45Uh, according to sources, they're going to be, will Aaron Wilson also said, Seth, the
34:50Texans are expected to explore high-end free agent, the high-end free agent running back
34:54market.
34:55Kenneth Walker's name came up yesterday across the Twitter sphere about a guy that
35:00the Texans would be interested in, which jives with what we've heard D'Amico Ryan's
35:03thinks about Kenneth Walker.
35:05So, so I, so March 11th or March 9th, really, because that's when legal tampering begins
35:10gets really interesting for the Texans.
35:12Um, it's just that it's starting to dwindle.
35:15And if Seattle all of a sudden decides to franchise tag Kenneth Walker, well, now you're talking about
35:19who, like Rico Dowdle being the number one running back out there.
35:22Cause we know Javante Williams is off the market.
35:24He's signed.
35:25Uh, ETN is still, ETN would be another one that would be out there still potentially.
35:30That would be, that would be, that would excite me.
35:32Uh, cause that would damage the Jags while improving your team.
35:36The one that, uh, two years ago I would have been so excited about is Pacheco, uh, from the
35:41chiefs, but he's been just kind of banged up and rattled around the last couple of years.
35:46And he runs, he's got a running style that lends itself to that too.
35:49Yeah, very physical, which is why I like him.
35:52I, he looks, he's a swarmy type of runner, but I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be
35:56the idiot that takes an injury prone running back and gives him a chunk of money.
35:59Well, look, I, yeah.
36:00Chunk of money is the big thing.
36:02Now if they did sign him, I would get really excited about it.
36:04Cause I love the way he's got that, uh, Sonic the hedgehog style of running.
36:07What if he, what if it was one year, 4 million bucks or something?
36:11Oh yeah.
36:11Yeah.
36:11Yeah.
36:12Yeah.
36:12There's a chance that that's his market.
36:13You know what I mean?
36:14It's, he's a banged up running back.
36:15Yeah.
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