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Seth and Sean go through and assess Jonathan Alexander of the Houston Chronicle's awards for Texans players.
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00:00Jonathan Alexander did awards for the Texans regular season. I love stuff like this. He's got
00:0710 categories. We're not going to go through all 10 of them, but the ones that were most interesting
00:11to me, I want to go through with you. Do you feel like MVP of this team is one of the easier
00:19selections or do you feel like there's a lot of guys who could win this thing? I think it's
00:23impossible. I think part of it is because honestly, the defense, they play so selflessly
00:30and I love it. I honestly, I don't know if jealous is the right word because it's not
00:38jealous, but it's so rare to have a group of guys like they have on defense right now. To play on
00:47a defense with a group of guys like that where even your high impact players, the best players
00:53on your team are incredibly selfless. It's rare. It's really, really rare. And it means
01:01that guys like Will Anderson and Daniil Hunter, if they were more selfish, each of those guys
01:08could have three or four more sacks on the season. They do a really good job of understanding
01:14within a play when it's time to wait, throttle it down. And instead of trying to beat this
01:21guy around the edge, I got to just turn this into a bull rush and drive, drive towards the
01:26quarterback. And maybe it ends. It slips out. Then maybe I get them, but maybe it's Daniil.
01:33Maybe it's Tim settle. Yeah. Maybe it's togei. They're just, they're really, really good at
01:38that. The defensive. Yeah. So it's, it's hard. It's really hard. I, I think Will Anderson
01:44is I'm with you. It's it to me, the hardest part, because I, let me back up. Jonathan
01:50Alexander says, Will Anderson Jr. I agree with him. If I had to pick somebody, it would
01:54be Will Anderson Jr. If I, that would be that. This is the way I look at it, Seth. It is
01:59kind of a morbid way to look at it. But if, if something happens in this game in the first
02:03quarter and a player goes down for the Texans and we can't see who it is like, okay, who
02:07is it? I just see, I just see blue pants sticking out from a group of trainers attending
02:14to somebody. Oh my God, who is this? And if I then see it's number 51, that's the biggest
02:19guttural reaction for me. And I think with that, and if you go with Will and Daniil, both
02:24of those guys have been so productive in the fourth quarter, especially, and you look at
02:29the way that this team has won so many of its games where the offense figures a few things
02:34out, they get some first downs, maybe kick a field goal every now and then a touchdown,
02:39but then also on the other side of it, you know, Daniil in the Jaguars game with that
02:43sack, you know, Daniil two weeks ago or no, well, last week it was in the first half, but
02:50Daniil with that sack that the, the strip sack that ended up being recovered on the one
02:55yard line, you know, like, like all of these big and key moments, but yeah, Will of those
03:01two in terms of playing both the run and the pass and just the constant menace that
03:06he is. Yeah. I I'd have to put it also because he's the tone setter in so many regards to
03:12the entire defense. Yeah. And, and, and Daniil is kind of the opposite personality wise,
03:16and that's not a negative at all. That's just, I think it's great. And Will brings that up
03:20all the time. How, how the two of them, especially Will as the young player is kind of the hyper
03:25one that having Daniil there as sort of the guy that's able to kind of bring that Zen to
03:30him a little bit. Oh, they've done, honestly, I, I really, I got to bring this up to Castario
03:35sometime. Um, uh, just, I've been, I love as a former defensive lineman, there's so many
03:43guys that are like, will who want to do everything the right way, who are wired the right way and
03:48everything, but they don't know what they don't know. And the fact that they've just surrounded
03:54him with mentors from the very beginning and given him just all of these resources,
04:00the, you know, and aside from getting it, going back to Jerry Hughes and guys like that guys who
04:05go about their business the right way. So that will has these models to see the way, the right
04:11way to do it in the NFL is done. Not to mention to learn the little technical tricks of the trade,
04:15especially from guys like Daniil Hunter. They've just, they've done everything. It's like if you
04:20take a smart kid, you know, and, uh, the, the, and if you just, you could throw them in a regular
04:26classroom or you could just give them a really fertile environment with the best teachers and
04:31everything. Like, it's just, it's the, the, you're going to get more, the more, the more resources you
04:36have. And they've given them every resource. I, it was for me, Seth, when it came to MVP,
04:40it was harder for me to fill out the ballot, so to speak, because the way the NFL does it now is
04:48you, you, you, you one through five, you know, first place, second place, so forth. And there's
04:53a point system to it. So I did a, I did what my ballot would be. I tried to, for the Texans,
05:00it was harder for me to decide on who should be third, fourth, and fifth than it was to decide
05:07Will Anderson being the MVP. Cause Will Anderson's an easy pick to justify. He's going to be a first
05:11team, all pro after that, like Derek Stingley jr. I have his two. He could be off the ballot
05:19also. You know, like it's like, I, like I look at Daniel Hunter is a better one because Daniel
05:25Hunter also, I, you, you could, you could view him as equally valuable as Will Anderson because of
05:30what they collectively represent as the two guys coming off the edge. They're really in many ways,
05:36as a two headed monster, as much as they are great individual players. And yet I S I could
05:41sit here and go, Will Anderson. I could say my ballot is Willie Anderson, Derek Stingley.
05:46I think you could put his ease out Shire in there based on the leadership, how he's played,
05:50how they, how they didn't play when he was out. Yeah. That one game. That's where, you know,
05:55with Aziz and Kamari Lasseter, both I look at in the last few weeks. Wow. Without Aziz out there,
06:00they're a different defense and structurally there were different events. They, they really didn't even
06:05bother trying to replace them because they just played with two linebackers on the field. They
06:09were, they were never in their base four, three, that entire game. Yeah. Um, and then Kamari goes
06:15out, Kamari goes out in the chargers game and then you see the immediate impact of, of his absence.
06:20And then likewise, in the first half last week, do you see what it's like without Kamari Lasseter
06:25on the field? Yeah, it's, it's really hard. Uh, and it's, and that's the way this defense,
06:30the way they're performing. It's really, really hard to dial in on just one guy.
06:33Who's the, who's the most value. You could do a ballot of all five, all defensive guys.
06:38I think it's hard not to put Nico on there. And yet the two games, they haven't had Nico
06:42Collins. They've won both of those games. And then I sat back and I'm, I'm toying with
06:47names like Petrie for like fourth and fifth. Yeah. Dalton Schultz said a really good year.
06:51He's been very valuable in certain games. And I'm going through this whole exercise in my head
06:55yesterday. And, and again, we're talking about Jonathan Alexander's piece on the Chronicle where
07:00he's picking, he's handing out awards and he picks Will Anderson. And I'm trying to do my one through
07:04five. And I sat here for like five or 10 minutes with my pen out and chicken scratching this thing
07:09and agonizing it. And I'm like, holy crap. I haven't even written the quarterback's name down
07:14on the piece of paper. Yeah. That's how, that's how dominant this defense is, is I, it didn't even
07:20dawn on me to put CJ Stroud's name and CJ's had a nice year. It hadn't been great, but it's been fine.
07:25And I think he's getting better. And I think he's gonna, I think CJ is back to being an ascending
07:30quarterback again. But the fact that I'm putting an MVP ballot together for a team that a lot of
07:35people think can get to the super bowl. Yeah. And the quarterback is an afterthought. I think
07:40it speaks less to CJ and more to holy crap. This defense has been amazing this year. Honestly,
07:47this is where, this is where I keep going back to the 2015 Broncos, which might sound like a weird
07:53comparison in a lot of ways, but they won a super bowl with Peyton Manning. It's what's impressed
07:58me about CJ this year, and it doesn't make him the MVP of the team, obviously, but Peyton Manning
08:04was at the end of his career. There were certain things he couldn't, couldn't do. And he, and he
08:10managed that, he managed that situation very well when he was on a team that had a really good defense
08:16on the other side of him. That 2015 Broncos defense is criminally underrated. Yes. Mostly
08:20because Peyton Manning was the quarterback. Um, but the CJ's willingness to accept where the offense
08:29is right now, what they can and cannot do. That's really hard for a young quarterback to do. It's,
08:37and it's a really, it's a very, very positive sign of growth and development. And the fact that he
08:43hasn't taken a sack in three games has way more to do with CJ and the way he's operating than it does
08:50with the offensive line. Yeah. Um, like he's alongside Nick Caley, I think those guys have
08:57figured out, Hey, these, this is what we can do. This is what we can't do. Let's be sure that we're
09:03not making it any worse. And that's, it's, it is really, really hard. Anybody listening who's older
09:09than 24 years old? Remember what you were like at 24 when somebody tried to tell you there was
09:14something you couldn't do, do you know? Yeah. Well, it didn't go so well, did it? No need the
09:19advice. Yeah. Especially when CJ's a guy who likes throwing haymakers, man. Right. Right. Yeah. He
09:25likes throwing haymakers. It's almost like you've got to throttle back the testosterone somehow.
09:29And at 24, you got a lot of testosterone. Yes. Difficult to do. Yep. Yep. If you're 24 and you're
09:36feeling a certain kind of way, it shouldn't stop you from going to the men's tea clinic, but still
09:39testosterone. No, I'm talking about guys who have too much. Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. Uh, my God,
09:45if I could have just tamped down the testosterone by about 10%, 16 through 26, things would have been
09:52different for me. Bad decision-making. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you. Uh, uh, a couple other
09:59categories I thought were interesting that Jonathan Alexander had in his piece on the Chronicle
10:02biggest surprise. He has Tommy Togiai as there are a few categories that you could have interchanged
10:10guys. So I think he, he does, he does most underrated also. And I think you could have
10:14Tommy Togiai in there. He has biggest surprise, Tommy Togiai. Um, do you agree with that? I've
10:20got a list of others here. I do. And listen, I was very bullish on Tommy, Tommy Togiai, but
10:24I kind of had pigeonholed him into that category of, man, you know what this guy does it. He's
10:29exactly where he's supposed to be. He plays with good technique. He's strong as hell, but
10:33probably doesn't have a whole bunch of upside, but man, you got to have guys like this on
10:37your team. And he's turned into a guy that you look and know he's an impact player. He's
10:43above and beyond just that blue collar guy that does the right things and, and, and et cetera,
10:49et cetera. Um, he makes impact plays, including in the passing game where he's, he's, it's very
10:55unlikely that he's ever a double digit sack guy, but so many times and so many big interceptions
11:01this year have come when he's the guy with getting push up the middle, stay in his lane,
11:06but then gets an arm in a passing lane or is shoving the quarterback as he throws the
11:12ball. That final interception in the Kansas city game was Tommy Togiai just getting his
11:17hands on Pat Mahomes, just as he's throwing the ball, the ball's thrown a little bit behind
11:21Travis Kelsey. And there you go.
11:22The interception in the Colts game by Huzzy was Tommy Togiai. So I, I was high on Tommy Togiai
11:28but I had, it was a surprise to me and I'm, I'm very happy to be wrong about that.
11:34Big surprise. Yeah. Tommy Togiai. Well, the, the wildest thing about Tommy Togiai
11:38was the beginning of the season where during training camp, D'Amico Ryans and Nick Casario,
11:43I think also backed D'Amico up on this. And they've said this several times since,
11:46but it really caught people's ears in training camp when D'Amico said,
11:51Tommy Togiai is our most consistent player, the most consistent player in the building,
11:55a building full of very consistent guys. Yeah. Tommy Togiai was the most consistent player.
12:00And then he made the team, which wasn't a big surprise, but then he was inactive week one,
12:05got a contract extension after week one, not mod, you know, modest one. I think it was one year,
12:113 million bucks. It's looking like a really smart contract extension now. He was inactive again in
12:16week two. Yeah. So he got a contract extension in between two weeks where he wasn't even active.
12:20And then yes, to your point, not only do they activate him, he's become indispensable to them
12:27based on a, his level of play and B the lack of depth at that position. I think another one too,
12:32is this is where no matter how you feel about Casario and the offensive line that he's put
12:37together, et cetera, et cetera. A lot of people have had to grudgingly acknowledge that, man,
12:44some of these really unheralded signings, where are you right now without Tommy Togiai when you got
12:50four defensive tabs on a team that rotates its defensive tackles and they really, for their
12:54style of play, you need to, you treat it like a hockey line. You just, those guys, you can 330 pound
13:00guys can't go out and play the way they need the Texans defensive tackles to play for 60 snaps a game.
13:06They need to be going out there and just going a thousand miles an hour with all those guys on IR
13:11without Tommy Togiai, you're kind of up a Creek right now without EJ speed. You're up a Creek right
13:17now. Um, without Ed Ingram, you're up a Creek right now. Those were all unheralded one year deals
13:24or one year signings or trades. Um, it just, it, those guys have been vital to where the team is
13:30very vital. I would add, you know, Trent Brown for what they paid him as great snaps.
13:36Yeah. Um, you know, the foresight to give Davis Mills an extension as your backup quarterback,
13:40he went three and Oh for you as a backup quarterback. And I'll tell you honestly,
13:44like Nick Chubb too. And I think that Nick Chubb, you know, I know there are some people
13:48that were overly excited without understanding exactly his injury situation and everything.
13:52Nick Chubb could have gone to probably any team in the league and I'm not exaggerating there.
13:57I think almost any team in the league would have said, Oh wait, we're going to pay him pretty
14:00much the veteran minimum and get the potential upside of Nick Chubb. The fact that Nick Chubb
14:06chose to come here and that the Texans were open to doing it. And at the time, who knows how much
14:11they knew or did not know about Joe Mixon situation. Um, they, they'd probably be, I don't
14:17want that. Chubb is Chubb has been very important in some crucial moments, like without he's, it hasn't
14:24performed at the level or with as much frequency as like EJ speed. But that's been a really important
14:29sign. If I had to guess also, and this is purely a guess, if I had to guess that same dynamic you're
14:35talking about, maybe not to the extreme where we're watching it play out in terms of a first
14:40team, all pro like Will Anderson, but that same dynamic you're talking about with Will, where they
14:45had veterans in the room for him and whatnot, I would have, if I had to guess, I would bet Nick
14:50Markson war Jordan has been awesome for those two guys. Yeah. You know, like there's, there's that
14:55value in the signing. Yeah. And there is that element of, um, you know, Mixon's been kind of
15:00like, it feels a little bit like Verlander when he goes on, uh, uh, the injured list. Yeah. He's
15:06gone, you know, like Florida, we just haven't seen Joe Mixon a whole lot. So he's not, he doesn't
15:11have that value of a mentor in the building compared to, you know, various other athletes and veteran
15:16players that when they're injured, they're, they're still there treating it like they're getting ready
15:20for a game every day. Yep. A few more that I want to hit that Jonathan did that I thought
15:23were interesting. Most underrated. Now, when I first saw these names, I'm like underrated
15:29and they were Daniil Hunter and Kamari Lasseter, who you like, if you just go put their names
15:35in the search engine in Twitter, you'll, for each guy, you'll have four videos pop up where
15:39people are talking about how amazing both of these guys are. You know what I mean? And
15:42yet, and yet I think there is an argument that they're underrated based on what the treatment
15:49they've got by some of the experts out there. The fact that Daniil Hunter, I mean, there,
15:55there needs to be think pieces done on Daniil Hunter, not even being an alternate for the
15:59pro bowl this year. I cannot for the life of me, figure this one out. And I don't have to
16:03be a misprint on the ballot. They sent around where they accidentally omitted his name.
16:07They might've listed somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. They put Travis Hunter or something like
16:10that instead. That was, uh, let's see, JJ Watt posted on X yesterday or a couple of days
16:17ago has a case for most underrated player in the league. He agrees with Jonathan, uh, legitimate
16:23hall of fame level numbers, consistently great year after year to not even be a pro bowler,
16:28whatever that's even worth. That's JJ Watt. All right. And yet, and yet I think there's a chance
16:34he's going to be, I don't think he's going to be first team all pro. Cause I think that's going
16:38to be miles Garrett is, has one of those spots reserved. And I think will is going to be the
16:42other one. Yeah. But I think there's a very good shot. He's second team all pro he's, he's not good
16:49enough to be an alternate in the AFC for the pro bowl. And yet I think, I think it's better than
16:54even money that he's like a second team all pro this year. It's, you know, and it's cool to see JJ
16:59kind of take up the mantle for Daniil because JJ was really good. JJ would tell you,
17:03he was really good at the self-promotional side of things, you know, uh, he was systematic about
17:08it. Uh, and I think JJ kind of looks at the guy like Daniil, like, man, boy, if you just had,
17:14if you had any, a little bit of the, the, uh, the carnival barker in you, but this is,
17:20so the graphic that JJ had tweeted out was this is his fourth career season with more than 14 sacks.
17:27Yeah. That's tied for the second most in the NFL since 1982. So when they started tracking
17:33sacks that year, so for players who have had, uh, four career seasons with more than 14 sacks,
17:39they're very few and far between. And Daniil Hunter is one of them. And yet I think very few
17:44people off the top of their head think of him as that guy that's been that incredibly consistent
17:48and good. Daniil's one of them. And he's getting treated this way in actually one of those four
17:53seasons where he did that. This isn't like, you know, like next year he's got 10 and a half sacks
17:57or something and he doesn't get pro bowl mentioned. Like, no, this is, he's doing that in one of the
18:01seasons where he had more than 14 sacks. We need to do this. We need to workshop this with JJ,
18:05some kind of like WWE type of situation where JJ, uh, and, and Daniil's just the quiet guy who never
18:14talks. You know, I'm thinking of his Lou Ferrigno and his dad. Yeah. That's not WWE. That was
18:20bodybuilding. No kids. If you've never seen the documentary pumping iron. Oh my gosh. You want
18:26to see, you want to see why Arnold Schwarzenegger was destined to become a star? Yeah. Um, but
18:33there's a part of what is this documentary about bodybuilding, which back in the day, back in the
18:381970s, nobody knew it, uh, a single thing about really. It was a very fringe niche niche. They did
18:44this documentary and there's this young Arnold Schwarzenegger who had already won eight Mr.
18:49Olympias or whatever it was, but his, his chief competitor is Lou Ferrigno. Who's just this big
18:55quiet guy, much like Daniil Hunter who just wants to lift weights and body build and do nothing else
19:02in the world. But his dad, his dad is such a fraud. His dad was his mouthpiece. His dad is talking to
19:09him during the workouts and he's like, Oh, you're going to kill him, Lou. You're going to kill him.
19:12We're going to take him down. We're going to, and Lou Ferrigno is just going more weight,
19:17dad, more weight, dad. Lifting. But then the first time in the movie, when you see Lou Ferrigno's,
19:24Lou Ferrigno and his dad meet up with Arnold Schwarzenegger before one of the competitions,
19:30Ferrigno's dad, all of a sudden was like, Oh, you're the best Arnold. You're the best.
19:34Oh, you're incredible. Oh, you're amazing. Right in front of Lou. He healed. He healed
19:39turned on his own son. Oh my God. It is such a good movie. I watched it last year. I was like,
19:45and Arnold Schwarzenegger was so ridiculously charismatic. What year? I think it was 1969
19:52or something. It was a long time ago. Yeah. What year was pumping it? 1977. Okay. So 1977.
19:58I don't get a ding for that one. That was way off by me. That's okay. Did you watch the incredible
20:03Hulk back in the day when Ferrigno? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I liked it. It was good. It was a perfect
20:08acting role for Lou Ferrigno. It was. He didn't have to say anything. It was awesome. He didn't talk as much
20:12as the modern movie version of Lou Ferrigno. No, no, no, no. Well, and Lou Ferrigno didn't play
20:17David Banner either. Like, uh, you know, it was two separate characters. Yeah. Yeah. Not like Mark
20:23Ruffalo who, uh, who, who plays a completely the CGI version of it. Right, right, right, right. Um,
20:30Bill Bixby, very underrated as a David Banner back in the day on the old incredible Hulk on,
20:35on, uh, on CBS. Um, last one I'll do here cause I want to get to the battle of the nugget
20:40hussies in this segment, Seth Rappaport and Schefter going at each other. Yeah. Um, best
20:47newcomer of the year. To me, it's a three man race between Ariante and I, I, I take newcomer
20:54to mean rookie, not like somebody who they signed in free agents and not like EJ speed
20:59is not a newcomer under this definition, that kind of thing. It's the rookies. Um, Jonathan
21:04picks Ariante Ursary to me, it's a three man race between Ursary Woody Marks and Jaden Higgins
21:11with Jalen Noel slightly on the outside looking in. Noel's done a lot of good things in the
21:16return game, but I don't think that's enough to put him over, over three guys that get
21:19routine offensive snaps. I think that, uh, in the Ursary and Marks, especially, I just
21:26look at those guys as man, we asked for more stairs on the offense and Higgins and Noel
21:33are like, I, I really, really love the, everything about them hard. It's hard for wide receivers
21:39unless you're, unless you're real, it's hard for it to see swarm in a wide receiver and
21:43yeah, right, right. That's a, yeah. Um, but like Ursary and Marks, uh, like they're, they're
21:52the right kinds of guys. Um, you know, Marks for being a 205 pound guy that routinely will
21:59carry guys on his back to grind out a, to, uh, a few extra yards to get a first down
22:05when they really, really need them to. I think the, the potential for him being a fan
22:09favorite moving forward in the future is huge. Uh, and then Ursary, the, the most
22:15excited I got in training camp about Ursary, cause he had some rough moments in training
22:19camp, you know, like as, as most, most even future, all pro offensive tackles have some
22:25really rough moments in training camp, especially when you're going against Will Anderson, Daniel
22:28Hunter, and not to mention like, and I would include all of those defensive ends, uh, that
22:33are on the team right now. Um, but Daniel Hunter said, uh, when I interviewed him, he's
22:39like, he's, he's a technique guy. He really, he's constantly asking us about how can I improve
22:44at this? What did I do here? All of that. And sometimes when you get these massive dudes
22:50out of college who are just accustomed to just getting away with leaning on people and
22:54just using their mass and their strength, Ursary, Ursary is way ahead of the curve and understanding
22:59that it's gotta be about the technique, but he's also a very willing participant in the
23:03run game. And he just has that. You, you can't teach that length that he has in the athleticism
23:09that he has. He is, when you're talking about the mentality, the mindset, the word that Nick
23:15likes to use Casario, the mindset, um, Ursary is one of those, uh, after the practice guys,
23:21I like to call them where in a training camp, he's out there working with Will Anderson and
23:28Daniel Hunter after practice, doing the things you just talked about. I would imagine there's
23:32a lot of verbalizing going on. Like, Hey, what do I do here? What? And there's a lot of physical
23:35going, not hardcore physical, but just, you know, doing a lot of hand play and things
23:39like that to help get him better. And that's not like to call somebody an after the practice
23:45guy on this team is not just some empty thing where people can go, Oh, you're all you're
23:49doing is just staying around a little longer. It's freaking hot out there, man. Nobody wants
23:53to stay afterwards at training camp. Nobody, especially the big guys. Right. But like Stingley
23:59is out there every, and that's mapped. He's out there after every practice at training
24:03camp, doing things, working with wide receivers, stuff like that. Petrie's a guy who's out there
24:08that to me, the DBs and defensive guys that are on the jugs machine after practice are the
24:12ones that I'm, I'm like a half a point more impressed by it. It is really, um, in trying
24:18to figure out football character. I think that to go back to, you know, what we were talking
24:22about earlier with Casario and D'Amico and the, the way they work together. There are a lot
24:27of, there are a lot of coaches or GMs who think a high character guy is, uh, simply
24:33just, uh, uh, Oh yeah. He's never late to a meeting and he had a good GPA in college and
24:38he's a yes sir, no sir type of guy. I mean, for me, it's always, uh, is it a guy who just
24:43is an absolute football junkie and just loves football and everything about it and practicing
24:48it and doing all those things to him. And I think in the past, like, I think O'Brien did
24:53a good job of getting guys that were like, all right, this is a solid dude and everything.
24:58There's a difference between you being a solid dude and the right kind of guy. It's just a
25:03nasty football player. I think they've gotten, they've gotten guys that are solid dudes, but
25:08also just have a certain edge in a certain drive to them and a certain love for the game
25:13that rises above normal. O'Brien's O'Brien's swarmy guys were nice weather after practice
25:20guys. Yeah. 75 and sunny. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll hang out for a little while here. 95
25:25and humid. No, I'm going to go steal the bench and just bring it to my garage instead. That
25:30was pretty swarmy. Well, and there's also a side of it too. It is. It's kind of like you
25:34gotta, you gotta have the guys that are a little crazy and the guys that are willing to buy into
25:37the motivational posters, you know, like there's a lot of cynicism. You think about the company
25:43you're in right now sometimes where, you know, somebody is giving you a speech or something
25:47and you might be like, all right, check my phone, blah, blah, blah. Like you kind of,
25:52you got it. You want guys who are true believers in the motivational posters. Absolutely. That,
25:56uh, because it's a, it's, it takes you to a different level.
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