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00:00On today's show
00:02Your dad who promised me on the last show that he would be involved in your life and painfully hasn't
00:06bothered and your
00:07Step-sister who loathes you they both think that you made the pregnancy up and the miscarriage. Yeah, they called
00:13me a liar
00:27You told him you were going somewhere you ended up meeting up with your ex. Yeah, it was a hug
00:32and a kiss
00:33Yes, why I thought I had feelings for him, but you need to hurry up. He's done one
00:43Oh
00:47That's all on my shirt it's next
01:25Oh
01:26Thank you very much good morning and as ever a big big welcome to the show now you might just
01:35recognize my first guest today
01:36Sammy from a previous encounter when she confronted her father Thomas for abandoning her twice take a look at this
01:42my friends
01:44Did you do enough? Could you've done more? I could've done that. Well, why didn't you then? What?
01:49I hadn't had my money to travel up and
01:52For the least thirty five to forty pounds
01:55Walk if you love her enough and you want to be a dad. I've done fifty miles
01:59Well, then why don't you get a taxi? Why don't you hitch a lift if you love the kid enough?
02:03Well, you've got a taxi. Why wouldn't you do something?
02:05The money comes with it. Is it growing trees like?
02:07He will disappear out of your life like that when it suits him. Well, I'm not even talking to you.
02:12I've had enough of you
02:12You do it might even be quiet
02:14Whatever. See ya
02:18Now after the show Sammy says they agreed to have a relationship but says that he has let her down
02:22yet again this time
02:24However, she suspects that step-sister Kerry is to blame. She claims she's been so stressed with Kerry's constant abuse
02:30threats and
02:30Troublemaking it's caused her to miscarry her child. It's a big big day
02:35She's back on the JK show Sammy ladies and gentlemen that way
02:47So here's the thing right because we saw it there
02:50Last time, you know you came here and you said to us look my dad's never been in my life
02:55He's always been you know a little bit lacking in that sort of way
02:58And so we put you together and we work with you and we imagine and hope that everything's going well
03:03And you're back again today because you said not only does this guy not do what he said he would
03:06do
03:07But suddenly step-sister Kerry's involved tell us more and well basically since last show
03:12He said that and he would come up and see me and he'd like phone me and stuff
03:17And then I was texting him for a bit and everything was fine and after a bit Kerry started
03:25Texting and can we just make a point Kerry is his stepdaughter. So he's in a new relationship. She's she's
03:30his stepdaughter
03:30The the argument here is is that you despite the fact that you found this bloke got a promise on
03:35national television of saying
03:37Oh, don't you waste a space? You're now giving more attention to your stepdaughter than me your real daughter. Yeah
03:43What about you and her and well?
03:47When I first spoke to her when I was 16 we kind of spoke but I'm
03:51After the last show she's just been threatening me and my friends
03:54This is what I understand. I read that in the introduction. Why would she be doing that?
03:57Do you feel that she's responsible for turning him against you again? Yeah, cuz I'm we'd spoke on the phone
04:03one night and everyone was fine and then
04:07It was either next day or a couple days later
04:09I got a text saying that he wanted nothing to do with me. I was never to contact him again
04:12I send that to you. Yeah, and then what do we presume that she's jealous?
04:16Do you think that suddenly the real daughter's in his life and is taking daddy away from her or what?
04:21Yeah, thanks
04:21So he said that with a smile on your face, but she's sending you abusive and threatening text messages. Yeah
04:27I'm to be honest. I'm not really afraid of her. She can say I'm all she wants, but
04:31Nothing's gonna come of it touched upon it in the introduction very important point to this story
04:36You've suffered a miscarriage. I'm sorry for that you blame the stress of this situation
04:41Yeah
04:41Well when I spoke to my doctor he asked if I'd been stressed recently and I just told him everything
04:46that had been going on with
04:47Carrie and my dad
04:48I'm gonna tell you this now and tell the audience as well your dad who promised me on the last
04:51show that he would be involved in your life
04:53And painfully hasn't bothered and your step-sister who loathes you they both think that you made the pregnancy up
04:58and the miscarriage
04:59Yeah, they called me a liar, and but I've actually got letters in the dressing room
05:04Your own dad believes that you're lying about being pregnant and having a miscarriage. How does that make you feel
05:09and
05:09To be honest, it's quite disgusting
05:12But um if he's gonna be that shallow and sensitive stuff like that then that's his choice
05:17But that's quite an interesting work because you know you you have to take people at face value and I
05:22sort of believed and hope last time that he would step up to the
05:24Plate your implication is is that step-sister carry through jealousy is perhaps twisting him, right?
05:30How God how on earth would a father right be prepared to believe somebody else and go?
05:35I don't even believe my own kid is having a pregnant that that is that's that's your step-sister and
05:41you do lay a lot at her door, don't you?
05:45You do believe that she's behind this
05:49What's today about for you sweetheart and to tell her to buy out if I want a relationship with my
05:54dad and
05:55That then I think I should be able to have one and tell him to grow a pair and tell
06:00his other kids to
06:01But out what he steps up to the mark. Yeah
06:04It's massively important and I say this every single day that when you come here and I know this television
06:08cameras and an audience
06:09You know and all that but it's really important that you have you say and you make the points you
06:13want to make
06:13When was the last time you saw Carrie? I've never actually met her. This will be fun then carries on
06:17the Jeremy Cowell show that way
06:21you
06:22You are a f****d liar
06:24you're a f****d liar
06:26Go and go for that
06:27Go for that
06:27Go for your son of your f****d
06:29You f****d started on this
06:31You f****d
06:32They just want to f****d
06:35David, you're a heaven's had on my phone
06:36Go f****d tell me that
06:38So f****d
06:39How is it my fault
06:41You're the idea that's pushed them away
06:42You are the idea that's crying on my f****d friend enough
06:45I've never said it
06:55Can you do me a favour, as I'm struggling to understand, right?
06:59Don't swear on this show or you'll go, all right?
07:03We'll talk about it.
07:04We'll talk about it.
07:06Stop swearing.
07:07Sit.
07:09Sit.
07:11Stop swearing, sit a minute.
07:13Stop swearing or you will leave.
07:15Well, Eric, from your point of view, you come out here making all those threats.
07:18What are you saying about...
07:19It's hard to go in my face.
07:20What are you saying?
07:21Look, she says, look, here's the thing, right?
07:23She comes on this show.
07:24We reunite her with her father.
07:26Everything apparently is good.
07:27They're starting...
07:28So what's your side?
07:30Every time she's texting us, she's bringing up, oh, Kerry's saying this.
07:34Kerry's like, I've never talked to her.
07:35And so my dad phones me and he's like, oh, Sam is saying you have said this.
07:39So I'm also going to text her.
07:41I got the impression that she thinks you're jealous of the fact that her real dad is your
07:45stepdad.
07:46No, she's jealous because he obviously loves me more than the love circle he's been in
07:49my life for 16 years and you've never been around.
07:51How bad does that sound?
07:52You're not even his biological child love.
07:55She is.
07:56She doesn't seem to think that.
07:57She seems to think I am.
07:59Because you started texting me when you were 16, anyway, and you said that a couple of
08:04weeks ago when you were texting threatening me and all your family mates as well.
08:07Your family mates.
08:08Your pal was like, oh, I'm going to come up to Edinburgh.
08:10You don't get my family.
08:11Let's talk about these threats.
08:13Who's threatening who?
08:14Both as a friend to tell her.
08:15What has she said to you?
08:16How do you not threaten me?
08:17She said she was going to come up to our broth.
08:18It can't be that hard to find a fat, ugly mess like me.
08:21Right?
08:22Because of the...
08:23Did you say that?
08:24Did you say that?
08:24Yes, that's it.
08:25Yes, that's it.
08:27Because you turned around and said it's my fault that you lost your bit.
08:30How the **** is that my fault?
08:31You tell yourself on the show, hey, no me.
08:34I never bring yourself on the show.
08:35I text you three times after the show.
08:37But you're not answering the question.
08:38More than three times.
08:39I text you three times.
08:39You turned around and said to me, you're going to get me done here for an harassment.
08:42I'll stop texting you.
08:43Kerry, you're not making sense.
08:45It's my fault that you lost your bit.
08:47How is that my fault?
08:48And then you threatened me.
08:49Can you explain something to me, right?
08:51Can you explain something to me?
08:54Why can't your dad have a relationship with her as well as you?
08:58Listen, I'm not bothered.
08:59You can have a relationship with her all he wants.
09:01I don't care.
09:01I said that to my dad.
09:03I'm not going to stop him.
09:04And then, yeah, that is his biological daughter.
09:06I don't...
09:07What the hell is your dad saying to my team, I want nothing more to do with her?
09:10She thinks you're behind it.
09:11Because of the way she's treated him.
09:12How?
09:13I've not treated him anyway.
09:14Every time the text, the text was okay for a few, like, for a couple of texts.
09:17And then she's like, oh, that's not me.
09:19You never come down to me.
09:20He's disabled.
09:21He can't get down.
09:22He can't work because he's disabled.
09:24How the hell's he got money?
09:25How do you think it feels for her to know that he's been in your life for all these years
09:29and he's not bothering...
09:30That's not my problem.
09:30How is that my fault that he's been here for me?
09:32How is that my fault?
09:34How is that...
09:34Well, how is that my fault?
09:37Well...
09:37Well, what?
09:38No.
09:38Whenever I text him...
09:40Right.
09:40I started to hang out with him over the phone.
09:42Right.
09:42A couple of days later, I got a text.
09:43I want nothing more to do with you after I found out he'd been speaking to you.
09:46Right, so I'm saying, I'm telling him...
09:48So it's clearly to be with you.
09:49You know my stepdad, but do not have nothing more to do with your biological daughter.
09:54Don't think so.
09:55Do not...
09:55The thing your dad doesn't say, I can have two kids.
09:58I mean, he is your stepdad and, yes, he's done a good job.
10:00Why isn't he wanting to be in her life?
10:01You say she's...
10:02Because of the way she's...
10:03What has she done?
10:04Every time I do a f***ing person.
10:06Every time she turns, I'm just constantly getting a f***ing abuse.
10:10That's why...
10:11I'm trying to, but I'm struggling to understand.
10:13Gobby, all right?
10:14Gobby, well...
10:15I want to know...
10:16I'm telling you, I...
10:18I am telling you, I...
10:19I want to know specifically.
10:19I'm telling you, I...
10:21Give me a specific.
10:22Because of Christ's a threat and I'm saying,
10:23her and her pals are going to come out.
10:25Have you threatened your own father?
10:26No.
10:26You've got to deny it.
10:27Well, I'm going to be funny, but he's going to text you.
10:28What has she said to him?
10:30Me and my pals are going to come up and kick...
10:32That's funny, that, because I've never threatened him.
10:35Why are you that?
10:35I know where he's saying that.
10:36Is it not true that your dad be quiet instantly?
10:40Shush, is it not true that your dad's been getting prank calls at one o'clock in the morning?
10:44Probably has.
10:45I have a hard pal.
10:45Have you ever made prank calls to your dad?
10:47No.
10:47Have you ever sent abusive text?
10:48I'm speaking now.
10:49It's called the Jeremy Karsha.
10:50Have you ever sent abusive text messages to your father?
10:54No.
10:54Have you sent abusive text to her?
10:55Have you sent abusive text to her?
10:57Well, like, why, like, what's the point of lying?
11:00I'm not here to lie.
11:03So what is the point of lying?
11:04You're getting to come off and bat me, right?
11:06Because she accused me of losing your baby.
11:08Why are you so angry with her?
11:10Because, because, why?
11:12Are you jealous of her?
11:13Are you jealous of her?
11:14No, not one fact.
11:15If there were no threats and no texts, right, serious question,
11:18would you be okay for her to have a relationship with your father?
11:21I've not seen my dad in a year and a half until last night in this taxi.
11:23So why am I going to bother that he's having a relationship with her?
11:26Why haven't you seen your dad in a year and a half?
11:28Because I have no good time.
11:29I work.
11:29In fact, why do I want to go see him?
11:31When was the last time you saw your dad?
11:32Does it matter if I didn't see what I talked to him?
11:34Maybe your dad needs to do more for both of you.
11:35Maybe we're all missing the point.
11:37Because he's done enough for me.
11:38But he hasn't done anything for her.
11:39Well, that's not my problem.
11:40No, no, but if you were her, you'd be slightly annoyed.
11:43Maybe your anger is in the wrong direction.
11:45Maybe it shouldn't be at her.
11:47Maybe it should be at him.
11:47It's got nothing to do with me.
11:49It's got nothing at all to do with me.
11:50And why is your pal here at all?
11:51Because she doesn't f***ing end it.
11:52Why are you kids swearing?
11:53Because I'm angry, that's why.
11:56Why else, you Hank?
11:57I've got no idea.
11:59Well, then.
11:59Worst thing about this is that that person backstage hasn't sorted you two out sooner.
12:05It's not me.
12:05It's him.
12:06It's him.
12:06And after this break, the man in the middle of his family feud is on this stage.
12:10I'm right back.
12:11She lied about a miscarriage?
12:13Well, I asked her to, and this is God's honest truth, I asked her on the phone, and if
12:18she denies this, I'm going to call her a total pinocchio straight to her face.
12:22I asked her to get a doctor to contact me.
12:24But why should my doctor have to contact you when you've not been there all my life?
12:29I told her to f***ing listen.
12:30You can't hear you.
12:32You're not.
12:32You're not.
12:33You're not.
12:35My man.
12:36My man.
12:37Give me my head.
12:38I told her to f***ing dance in a baby.
12:43You need to hurry up.
12:44He's done one.
12:46Come on.
12:47There's Jeremy.
12:48Come here.
12:48Come here.
12:48Come here.
12:48Come here.
12:49Come here.
13:04Thank you very much indeed.
13:05Welcome back.
13:05Before the break, talking to Sammy and Kerry.
13:07From our point of view, right, we've got a stepdaughter who's got a stepdaughter.
13:10It's brought up by this guy, Thomas, for most of your life, and you've a lot to say for him,
13:13and he's done a really good job.
13:15And then we've got a biological daughter who, frankly, by anybody's standards, even by your standards, hasn't had enough attention,
13:20right?
13:21And what's happened is this relationship breakdown between you and your old man has descended into you two sending each
13:25other abusive text messages and insulting each other.
13:28All of this is irrelevant.
13:29Your relationship with your dad, a man who told my team this morning, I don't want anything to do with
13:33her.
13:33No, no wonder they're being s***.
13:35But you keep saying that.
13:36That's his blood.
13:37And the blood.
13:38Let's get the man out in the middle.
13:39Thomas is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
13:52What about this child?
13:55I'm going to have time with her, and you just told my team I want nothing more.
13:57Why?
13:58I phoned her after the show, right, and I told her that I got a massive, massive debt bill in,
14:05and I would have to pay that off over a regular period of time.
14:09What, before you saw her?
14:10I was in contact with her on the phone.
14:12I explained to her, and I have to keep explaining every week about that bill and how much I was
14:18paying to it and such like, to get the bill clear so I can get on with my life clear
14:23without any debts in my life.
14:25But, but, but, but with all due respect, your debts are not a problem.
14:28Why can't you two not just have a relationship, even if it's over the phone, irrespective of the debt?
14:32I'm talking about.
14:33Should we cut to the chase on this?
14:35Every time the door she brings up, he's your magical dad, he's your magical dad.
14:40Be quiet.
14:41Oh, no.
14:42Be quiet, please.
14:43I read.
14:44I read, Thomas, right?
14:45Right.
14:46And I read this out.
14:47Everybody's eyes, but it's not happening.
14:49Shut up.
14:50Shut up.
14:51I'm asking you to shut up, please.
14:52I read at the beginning of the show that this has got so bad.
14:55This isn't just about abusive text messages and shouting and screaming, that you two actually believe, and we'll take this
15:01from you, not you, she lied about a miscarriage.
15:04Well, I asked her to, and this is God's honest truth, I asked her on the phone, and if she
15:09denies this, I'm going to call her a total Pinocchio straight to her face.
15:13I asked her to get her doctor to contact me.
15:16But why should my doctor have to contact you when you've not been there all my life?
15:20She had a miscarriage, but it was based.
15:22I am speaking to him.
15:24No, I'll not shut up.
15:25No, I won't shut up.
15:26No.
15:28Kerry, shut up, please.
15:29And this was continuing on over four days.
15:33You don't believe that she was pregnant?
15:34From the days.
15:35I'm not saying she wasn't.
15:36I asked her for what hospital she had visited.
15:40She never went to hospital because a doctor told her to relax in her eyes.
15:43If you have the miscarriage, go to the hospital.
15:45Not always.
15:47Always.
15:48I'm going to have to go to the hospital.
15:53I'm going to have to go to the hospital.
15:54Just go home and relax.
15:56The point is you're moving to millions of people because of where you're sat and because of the size of
16:04your mouth,
16:05that you're right in the middle of their relationship.
16:07They can't shut your mouth and let them speak.
16:10He's told you.
16:10You keep butting in.
16:12She's had her say, she's had her say.
16:14I'm sorry, I'm sorry for the interviewer on.
16:17I've done the same song.
16:18For our mercy, I'm talking about...
16:20Thomas, my respect for you is growing by the minute.
16:22Shut up.
16:25Well, listen.
16:25I haven't talked to you yet.
16:26Well, then just...
16:28Your dad is speaking.
16:30Kerry, please.
16:30I want to hear.
16:31Go on, then.
16:31Now, the four days that she says that she was in the middle of having a miscarriage,
16:35I contacted her there four days.
16:37Now, I can prove I contacted her there four days.
16:39Right, let's cut to the chase.
16:40You contacted her, you wanted proof, you haven't been forthcoming.
16:42You say that this guy, and not her for a minute,
16:45the stress they've caused you, caused you to have that miscarriage.
16:48You haven't even looked at her.
16:50According to Sam, will you...
16:52Let me finish, please.
16:53But talk to her.
16:54It's ignorant to talk to somebody and look at another.
16:56Right?
16:58If you're having a miscarriage,
17:00you'd be attending a hospital or you'd be at a medical centre.
17:03But I told you I was going to be doctor for a couple of days.
17:04She couldn't give me any confirmation of this.
17:06Do you know what worries me?
17:07I'll look at you full square in the face.
17:08You know what worries me, right?
17:10And I'm being totally straight with you.
17:12I take the point about the debt.
17:13I take the point that you've told her to shut up.
17:15I respect you for that.
17:16I'm not sure it's your place when you haven't been in her life.
17:19Or it might be your place, but it's a massive thing.
17:23I'm not talking to you.
17:24I'm talking to you.
17:25You can't call your own biological daughter.
17:27I mean, just man to man a minute.
17:29A liar about something as appalling as a miscarriage.
17:32What if you're wrong, Thomas?
17:34Then if I'm wrong, I will apologise to the bottom of my heart.
17:37I've got letters in the dressing room.
17:38And I will apologise from the bottom of my heart.
17:40If you're...
17:40If I am...
17:41Well, if I'm wrong, I'll apologise to him.
17:43You haven't seen Kerry for a year and a half?
17:46Yeah.
17:47But you managed to speak to her three times a week?
17:51Yeah, just like...
17:51So why isn't that acceptable?
17:53She's not got credit at her phone hand.
17:55Why is that not acceptable?
17:57I'm fine with him to have a relationship.
17:59I've said to me...
18:01To me, what's happening...
18:03Look at this.
18:03This is what...
18:04But don't you understand that?
18:06Because she's playing that...
18:08They're blaming each other.
18:09I don't care so much, obviously.
18:11Who's Ashley?
18:12My best thing.
18:13Ashley's on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
18:18Who the...
18:19Do you think you are?
18:23Who's...ords
18:23yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're
18:26sinful. My mind...
18:29My mind's
18:30up. I mind's
18:30up. I'm trying
18:31to... Dance in a
18:32bit. Is there any
18:33good for you?
18:36Why did you get a joke in Matthews?
18:38She got her face thinking you got a Matthews person
18:41You said, you said, you said then
18:44Mate, mate, mate
18:47Mate, mate
18:51No, no, it's already got in my face again
18:54Why are you coming at you so angry?
18:56You're not even in the world
18:57This is a lassie that was texting me
19:02At half twelve, one o'clock in the morning
19:04She's got to come in and pick my **** that day
19:07Ashley, open your guard
19:08What's the truth? Why are you involved?
19:11Maya
19:12I have your phone number in my phone
19:13Yes, my text you tell me I'll stop giving her sort of stress
19:15No, you're not using this
19:17You're not using this
19:18Two, three
19:19And then you have texted me
19:21Then you are going to come in
19:22If you don't touch your mouth
19:24I am going to get you off
19:25Just be quiet
19:27No, be quiet
19:29Quiet? No
19:30What is your take on this? Nobody else. You.
19:36They're just giving her too much stress. It's just, oh, it's disgusting.
19:39How do you give stress?
19:40Yes, I've been off. I've not known her long.
19:43Did she have to? I swear to God.
19:47Did your friend have a miscarriage?
19:49Yes, because I've been to appointments with her and she's got proof in her dressing room.
19:52I've got an appointment at the end of the day.
19:54The way that we're talking so clinically about something that's so awful, right?
19:59The thing is, acknowledging the fact that he has problems with debt and it would be all right to talk.
20:05To these people and to me, all of you, everybody's got involved and has jumped over.
20:10What's talking about? You can have a relationship with your dad, right?
20:13Everybody's fine. And then this, I'm at Boulder with that.
20:15But all of this eggs to her mate and you to her.
20:18Hang on, she doesn't give up. Sorry, nothing.
20:21She's not had four months, right?
20:23Sammy gave her my dad's number. She started texting my dad.
20:48I'm going to be really, really honest and very polite and I'm going to say this.
20:53I don't think there's much chance in, until hell freezes over, of you two having a relationship.
20:58The point... Shut up!
21:00Shut up!
21:01The point I want to make is, I don't care whether you two loathe each other.
21:05You both share a father.
21:07And this show today is about another blockage for her and her dad caused probably by this relationship.
21:13So, right, be quiet!
21:15Right now, you and you, very nice, are not relevant.
21:20So you can go, because I'm not interested.
21:22And you very much.
21:23And you are going to sit here now.
21:26Right.
21:28Don't.
21:29I take your point, but I need you to understand something, without getting on your high horse.
21:35She feels, for a variety of factors, you haven't been there.
21:39Now, I'm going to make it really simple.
21:40She also looks at this stepdaughter, who's had more contact with you, and, don't interrupt, is probably a little bit
21:47put out.
21:48So, probably, if she's honest, has said a few things.
21:50The girls have started this war.
21:52You're on the outside.
21:53You maintain a relationship with Kerry, right, by phone.
21:56You're not able to go and see her at the moment because of the money.
21:58The same is easily achievable with this daughter.
22:02What you two have to do, right, is talk to each other.
22:06That is your flesh and blood.
22:07That is your dad.
22:08You need to stop making excuses to each other and talk.
22:11As I said, if there's got to be any mere nasty taxes, dogs' abuse or threats...
22:16But it wasn't me that was threatening me.
22:19It's coming.
22:19That wasn't me.
22:20You know it wasn't me.
22:21It's coming from your phone.
22:22No, because...
22:23It was coming from me.
22:23Would it be fair to say that everybody has made mistakes in this situation?
22:28Yes or no?
22:28Yeah, maybe, maybe.
22:30You have to maintain the relationship of you two.
22:33That's what we'll do our best to work on.
22:35Whether it will work or not, I don't know.
22:36Yes or no?
22:37Yes or no?
22:39Get out of here together that way.
22:40Give them a round of applause.
22:41Go.
22:48Well, as ever, good luck to them.
22:49And after this point, we're going to be in a woman on this stage who is desperate to prove her
22:53child belongs to her boyfriend and not his brother.
22:55We'll meet them next.
22:56I'm right back.
22:57I'm tired, Mark.
22:58It's killing me, this.
23:00It is.
23:01Let's get it sorted.
23:02Let's get them tests.
23:03I don't even go out because you think I'm going somewhere.
23:05You've said to me you thought the kid was his.
23:07Back in the day, we're talking about now.
23:08No, Mark, you're denying everything.
23:10You're denying everything.
23:12You need to hurry up.
23:14He's done one.
23:15Come on.
23:16There's Jeremy here.
23:17Come here, come here, come here, come here.
23:19Oh.
23:21Two, eight, six, six, seven.
23:28Biscuit.
23:32Oh, cheeky boom boom.
23:41Thank you very much, Lee.
23:42Welcome back.
23:42Now, my next guest today, Carol, is furious with her partner and his constant accusations of cheating.
23:47She says things have got so bad, Mark even suspects their two-month-old baby actually belongs to his brother.
23:54Big trouble.
23:54Carol's on the show, guys.
24:03Yeah, I'm fine, thank you.
24:04Nervous?
24:05A little bit.
24:06You're almost like a resigned walk as you walked out there.
24:09It was.
24:09You know, like, you know, things are getting you down.
24:12Let's talk about the people who are involved in this story.
24:15You and Mark, you're together now.
24:18You were together for a number of years.
24:20Yeah.
24:20How many?
24:2112 years.
24:22Split?
24:22Yeah, we split up.
24:24Back together?
24:25Yeah.
24:25For good since?
24:26Yeah.
24:27When?
24:30It was the beginning of last year, I think.
24:33OK.
24:33You have a three-month-old child.
24:35We're doing so much today.
24:36There's a DNA test on this three-month-old.
24:38There's everything going on.
24:39There's luck.
24:39You don't trust him.
24:40He doesn't trust you.
24:41The main accusation is, and I find this almost unbelievable, but there you go.
24:46You're here today to prove to Mark, you've been on and off with for years, that this three-month-old
24:50is his, not his brother's.
24:53No, it's Mark's.
24:54Why would he make that accusation?
24:56It's Lawrence accused me of sleeping with Richard, and I don't know why, because me and
25:00Richard never done anything, nothing at all.
25:03But, I mean, that's not just, you know, that's not just any old accusation.
25:06That is one heck of an accusation, and it has driven this family and this relationship
25:10to the end, hasn't it?
25:12It's destroyed us nearly, because it's not nice.
25:14How long has it been going on, this accusation?
25:17Quite a long time now.
25:18Because it's ruined him and you.
25:19It's ruined him and his brother, I suspect, right?
25:22Yeah.
25:22They don't get on us all.
25:23You say, I have been constantly accused of cheating.
25:27All that we do on a daily basis is argue.
25:31Yeah.
25:32You look dragged down by all.
25:34I am.
25:34Why would your own partner accuse you of sleeping with his brother?
25:38When me and Mark did first get together, I think it was about four weeks into it, I did
25:42cheat on him.
25:43So, because I cheated that time, he thinks I've always cheated.
25:46But that was 15 years ago, or whatever?
25:48About 12 years ago.
25:4912 years ago.
25:50It's got to a point, so people will get some understanding of what this lady's going through.
25:55He won't sleep with her, he calls her a prostitute, he doesn't help with the kid.
25:58She's not allowed to mobile, she's not allowed to go out.
26:00You can't really breathe, can you?
26:01No.
26:03What sort of father is he?
26:05When I first fetched him home, Callum, for the first four weeks, he was really good.
26:10This is the three-month-old.
26:11Yeah, he was hands-on, really hands-on.
26:13But now he just, he, um, he just, sometimes he doesn't even bother.
26:18Because when he goes off in mood sometimes, he can be for like a few days and he totally
26:23do nice, Callum.
26:26You're a nice baby, aren't you?
26:28Well, I hope so.
26:29Why'd you put up with this?
26:30Because I love him.
26:32He's a baby.
26:36What's this doing to you as a mother with a young 12-week-old son, seeing what he, he's
26:40rejecting him, isn't he?
26:41Yeah.
26:42And I'll try and explain how I feel and he just rubs it off.
26:46You tell my team I'll pass my lie detector.
26:48I will prove that that child is Mark's.
26:51I mean, you got really desperate.
26:52You came to us, you wanted to do a private DNA, you tried to do that, but you ended up
26:55here and you want the truth, you want to, do you want to tell him?
26:59Can I tell you something that I know, which isn't a particularly good thing to admit, but
27:03I will, because it doesn't sound right.
27:05I always judge people when I look straight into their eyes, and you're right, you are.
27:09What you can't do is be walked over.
27:13You have to tell him how you feel.
27:15Not me, you.
27:17Seriously.
27:18And he calls you a prostitute, he accuses you of sleeping with his brother.
27:21Put your foot down, love.
27:22Mark's on the show that way.
27:35Welcome to the show.
27:36You tell him.
27:37I hate it when you deny him.
27:40When you go off in moods for a few days, you stop upstairs and ask you to all three kids.
27:46When Callum cries, you just sit there.
27:48This is how it is, Jeremy.
27:49Talk to her, not me, pal.
27:51She already knows.
27:52We go through it non-stop.
27:54There's just no getting to either of us.
27:57What?
27:58We just don't trust each other.
28:00That's why we're here, we need a lie detector.
28:02Why do you not trust him, Mark?
28:03Back in the day, when we first got together, we used to take...
28:0612 years ago.
28:07Yeah, we used to take a lot of drugs.
28:09And we were terrible to each other.
28:10And it's not just me, it's her as well.
28:12We're as bad to each other.
28:15I don't degrade you, though.
28:16I don't call you names, Mark.
28:18I don't you either.
28:20Call me a...
28:21Do you genuinely believe that that child is your brother's?
28:25No, I don't.
28:25I don't even know where that's going from.
28:27And why are we here, then?
28:28For the lie detectors.
28:30We need to sort of it.
28:31But you said that Callum might be Richard's.
28:34Yeah, and I say he might be other people's as well.
28:36Yes, but you can't say that and not expect it to go in somebody's brain.
28:39That's like the women who come on this stage and say,
28:40yeah, in an argument, I told him he wasn't the father.
28:42There's your brother.
28:44That accusation has driven a wedge between you and him.
28:47It's driven a wedge between you and her.
28:48And basically, most of all, this baby,
28:52you're not being a dad, are you?
28:54Ask her.
28:55Carol, listen, you know how it is.
28:57How is it?
28:58Were you out busy working?
28:59No.
29:00Then why don't you get off your backside
29:02and do 50% of what she does around the house with the kids, then?
29:05Well, I won't do it after this.
29:06But what does it take me to tell you?
29:08It takes a lie detector.
29:09I don't care what you say.
29:10It's a lie detector I need.
29:12And we both need it.
29:13It's not going to stop this, though, a lie detector.
29:15It's three simple questions.
29:16What happens the next time she wants a mobile phone or goes to the shop?
29:19I'm not allowed a mobile phone, either.
29:21Yeah, but the whole thing's destructive, but that...
29:23It's both faces.
29:24You're making it look as if it's me.
29:26Back in the day, we were both terrible to each other,
29:27really bad to each other.
29:28But is that not the important thing?
29:30Yes, it is, and that's why we're here.
29:31The other kids...
29:32That was back in the day, but this is now, isn't it?
29:34We both agree to have Callum.
29:35Yeah.
29:36Right?
29:38I have not cheated on you.
29:39Callum is yours.
29:40She says she will prove that Ricky is not the father you are.
29:43What has it done to your relationship with your brother?
29:47It was years ago.
29:48I hadn't really had...
29:48I'm not accused Richard.
29:50You have accused Richard, Mark.
29:51No, I was really...
29:53Mate, the only way you will get any resolve in any of this
29:58is if you are as honest as she has been.
30:00Let's get your brother out.
30:01Ricky is here as well, ladies and gentlemen.
30:09I've only blamed you hollars at times, man.
30:11Loads of times.
30:12I don't know how many times you've blamed you.
30:13That's one of normal.
30:14Oh, so you've done it with the other kids?
30:16Oh, aye.
30:17So here's my thing.
30:18That's the fool thing.
30:19If she cheated...
30:20Because I used to date in the past.
30:22She thinks I'm...
30:23I mean, if she cheated, you started with me because...
30:24Sorry, you used to date him?
30:26No, never.
30:27You just said that you dated?
30:28No.
30:29No, I didn't.
30:29What did you just say then?
30:30I've never been able to be friendship.
30:32I'm friendly at all.
30:33You won't even let them be in the same room, will you?
30:35Because, I mean, let's be honest today.
30:36We feel on edge.
30:37We don't even say hi.
30:38We don't even have a conversation.
30:40See, we're going to get somewhere with you
30:41because you keep putting your head in your hands.
30:42That is ridiculous.
30:43That's your brother.
30:44I'm not getting through.
30:45I was...
30:46It's the same with both of you.
30:47I've never...
30:48Richard, back in the day...
30:49Do you accuse him of sleeping with your sister?
30:50We were bad for each other, wouldn't we?
30:51No.
30:52There you go.
30:52We used to take loads of drugs, didn't we?
30:53We've took drugs before, aye.
30:55Well then.
30:55But that's not...
30:56I've never accused you of wanting to sleep with anybody.
30:59And it messes your mind up.
31:00Yeah, but we're not here for that.
31:01We're not here because of the past.
31:03Because of how it was in the past.
31:05Well, you mean because you think it's going to be the same.
31:07Yeah, exactly.
31:08Well then, with the grace of respect, don't get upset.
31:09Why did you have any of your three kids?
31:11If you think she's a prostitute, you can't trust her.
31:13Why didn't you deal with it 12 years ago?
31:14No, no.
31:16But that's what she missed him.
31:18Now, you can shake your head.
31:20But if you didn't trust her from that first moment,
31:22she told me four weeks in she cheated, right?
31:23If from that moment all that insecurity was there,
31:26I'd buy that.
31:27Why would you have three kids with her?
31:28Why would you stay with her for 12 years
31:29and mither her and call her names and accuse your brother?
31:31That's what I'm saying.
31:32Deal with it, call her everything and ditch her.
31:34But you didn't.
31:35You've stayed and you've nagged her
31:37and you've mithered her and you've dragged her down.
31:38Maybe you're telling the truth.
31:39Maybe she is what you say she is.
31:40I don't know.
31:41But what a waste of 12 years, don't you think?
31:43What a waste.
31:44No.
31:45No?
31:45Free kids.
31:46Ask her how she feels.
31:47I'm tired, Mark.
31:49It's killing me, this.
31:50It is.
31:50That's why I'm here, isn't it?
31:51Let's get it sorted, let's get them tests.
31:53I don't even go out because you think I'm going somewhere.
31:57You do, and you know you do work.
31:59You know when I...
31:59You can't even get close to my nisses either, because of it.
32:01You're looking at.
32:02But Mark, Mark, you said...
32:04Mark, what happens when I go out?
32:05Because you accuse me of stuff, so I think you do it.
32:07Where have you been?
32:08What have you been doing?
32:09Yeah.
32:09The same as I dated you.
32:10Stop trying to put it on me just because it was you
32:12that gave it off to him.
32:13Because if it was all the teeth, I was a girl and you were all a boy,
32:16then it'd be definitely...
32:16Mark, why are you not prepared as she is and he is
32:19to admit some of the fault here?
32:21What fault do you want me to admit that I've been paranoid?
32:23Look what you've done to her.
32:25Look at her.
32:26Say what you want about me.
32:28See what you think.
32:28Look at her.
32:30Look at her.
32:30Remember that girl you met?
32:31And look at him.
32:31That's your brother.
32:33You, by your own admission, have accused him of sleeping with her.
32:35There's a kid you don't bond with.
32:37The woman you've dragged out...
32:38Yeah, she's done things.
32:39I don't have bond to him.
32:40That's what she told us.
32:41Will you ask her?
32:42You don't do any night feuds, Mark.
32:44How do at all?
32:45Mate, all right then.
32:46Exactly.
32:46Why is that?
32:47I don't do many night feuds.
32:48Why is that?
32:48Because you're going to stop.
32:50On his butt.
32:51She never asked.
32:52I should have to ask.
32:53I'm just going to admit something.
32:54For the first four weeks of my first kid's life, I was terrified doing night feuds.
32:57I'm telling the truth, but I did it.
32:59What happens when he's in bed coughing and stuff?
33:02What happens?
33:02No, he's got a bit of cold now.
33:04What happens when he's in court?
33:05Pure coughing and stuff.
33:06Is it not me that wakes up first?
33:08Is it not me that goes and gets these inhaler first?
33:10I don't care about him.
33:12I'm frightened.
33:12But right, deny him wrong.
33:13We're getting there.
33:14We're getting there.
33:14What are you frightened about?
33:15Just in case.
33:17Things go back to the past.
33:18I'm 99.9% sure he's mine.
33:20And no, at least I'm not in 0.1%.
33:22It's because it has passed.
33:24If the DNA says he is, how's that going to look for what you've done to your relationship
33:28with your brother?
33:30I've never accused you of being him as dad.
33:33Why would he say that?
33:35You've done loads of things.
33:36You've started fights for no reason.
33:37Yeah, well, that's because of the drugs and you know what.
33:40But you're still accusing me.
33:41And I've sat there and tried to explain to you for hours and hours and then trying to persuade you
33:45that I wouldn't have dared at.
33:45Who's Angela?
33:47My mother.
33:47Let's get Angela on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
33:49She's coming this way.
33:54Are you all right?
33:57Angela, welcome to the show.
33:59What's your view?
34:00You have got to tell the truth.
34:02You have said to me many a time, you've thought he slept with her.
34:07You've said to me you thought the kid was his.
34:09Right in the day we're talking about now.
34:10We're here now because you're trying to sort out our relationship from a year ago.
34:16See, if you do not admit.
34:18Can we just leave the past in the past?
34:20No, because it's in the future.
34:22It's now.
34:23You've got to admit to what you've done.
34:24She's admitting to everything.
34:26She's coming out with everything.
34:28She's said, she does slag you off.
34:30I'm getting made to look because I'm a pure bad one.
34:32She's not both here under all power.
34:34She said you slagged it.
34:35She said, okay, I've slagged it.
34:37It's not about.
34:38Angela, bless your heart.
34:40It's not about.
34:4130 seconds.
34:43Hear me out.
34:43It's not about who looks good or bad.
34:45If you love that woman, hear me out.
34:47Right?
34:48She came out, admitted she cheated, admitted she took drugs and just cried and said it's doing
34:52my head in.
34:53He came out and said, yes, you have.
34:54Your mother's come out.
34:55All you've done is sat there and gone.
34:56Oh, you're painting.
34:57Nobody's painting anything.
34:58Do you want me to be honest?
34:59You won't like this.
35:00You're painting yourself out to be somebody who will not take responsibility for what you've
35:04done.
35:04The fact is you have accused him of sleeping with your missus and you've torn that relationship.
35:08You have dragged her to the floor.
35:10And yes, four weeks into a 12 year relationship, there was a reason, but you stayed with her
35:14for 12 years, battered her in the ear.
35:17She says you're not as close to that kid.
35:18I'm sure you have done stuff, but you've had three.
35:20Why?
35:21Why didn't you deal with this a long time ago?
35:23You go, it's because of the drugs.
35:24But it's had an effect even now.
35:27We did deal with it a long time ago.
35:28Ask her if she thinks you've dealt with it.
35:30We dealt with it when we split up, don't we?
35:32We're not on drugs now.
35:33We haven't been on it for a long time.
35:34We dealt with it because we couldn't handle each other when we split up.
35:35Yeah, so why did you get back together?
35:37Talk with me then, right?
35:39We both agreed.
35:39We decided to get back together, don't we?
35:40We did.
35:41We both agreed.
35:42Now, since that time, have we no been at each other's throats?
35:45Not just me.
35:46Since that time, we've both been at each other's throats.
35:47Yeah, we have.
35:48Are you saying that there's so much stuff from the past that was unresolved, that moving
35:52apart, splitting, getting back together, it's never really been put to bed?
35:55Is that what you're saying?
35:56When we split up, there was no trust.
35:58Absolutely none.
35:59Why would you have a baby then, you two silly people?
36:01Because we thought we could build on it.
36:03Brilliant.
36:04Let's do the important DNA first.
36:06Let's have a baby.
36:07That'll make a relationship work.
36:08That's what this is about.
36:09That beautiful kid.
36:10Who are we going to start with?
36:12The brother.
36:13You did accuse your brother of having sex with your missus, didn't you?
36:16Thank you, dear.
36:18You even thought he was Callum's dad, Mark?
36:20The DNA test results show that Ricky...
36:24Strange.
36:24Strange, he's not the child's biological father.
36:31What do you think that means?
36:33You're going to say sorry or what?
36:34I never accused him about him.
36:36You did, Mark.
36:37Once or twice.
36:38Everybody else on this stage says you did and you just said you did.
36:41And whether it was 12 years ago or 12 minutes ago, don't you owe him an apology?
36:44You hold me on here, live, in front of everybody, in a denying it.
36:48The DNA test results show that Mark...
36:51Excuse me.
36:51Oi, that is your child.
37:04Now you wanted lie detector, Bex, please.
37:06Why don't we do one on both of you?
37:07You don't trust him.
37:09He keeps accusing me of stuff, so why is he accusing me of stuff he's not doing now?
37:14Right, we'll start with Mark's lie detector results, the questions he was asked, the answers
37:18that he was given, and whether he was telling the truth or not.
37:21Since you and Carol decided to have a baby in 2011, have you had sexual intercourse with
37:24any other person?
37:25No.
37:26He was telling the truth.
37:28We asked him if he'd had sexual contact with anybody else.
37:31He said no.
37:31He was telling the truth.
37:32We asked him if he'd passionately kissed anybody else.
37:34He got a full house.
37:35He was telling the truth throughout the whole test.
37:45I'm going to do this really differently.
37:46She passed the whole test as well.
37:50Now, just a little thing.
37:54Listen.
37:56See, that's it now.
37:57Got to take.
37:58It has to change, man.
37:59You've got to take some responsibility.
38:00That's why we came here to change.
38:01Should have been done a long time ago.
38:03I've been here seven years.
38:04Should have done it when you first got back together, rather than that crazy idea, we'll
38:06have a baby.
38:07Listen to me.
38:11Just.
38:11That's it.
38:12We can move on now.
38:13Yeah, but you need to acknowledge what you've done.
38:16You haven't even said sorry.
38:17I'm sorry.
38:18And you need to say sorry, but I'll just come here.
38:22I'm sorry.
38:23Genuinely?
38:25Yeah, of course.
38:26Sorry to your brother?
38:28Yeah, I'm sorry to Rachel.
38:30You need to make it up to her, mate.
38:32I'm being serious.
38:32You need to take it seriously and make it up to her, because she's all right.
38:35She is.
38:35Beautiful.
38:37And if you don't look after her, somebody else will take her off you.
38:41Seriously.
38:41Respect her.
38:42Yeah.
38:43We'll sit and we'll talk.
38:44We'll do what we do.
38:45We'll ask all of you to go that way.
38:46We'll sit you with Graeme.
38:47You all right?
38:47Yeah.
38:48Well done.
38:48See you later.
38:49Give him a round of applause.
38:50We're going that way.
38:50Good luck.
38:51See you later, Rick.
38:52See you later.
38:52Nice to meet you, man.
38:53Thank you very much for being here.
38:55Good luck to them.
38:56And after this break, we'll meet a man.
38:57This is brilliant.
38:58Who's trying for a baby with his fiancée, but he suspects she's in love with her ex.
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39:04He's done one.
39:06Come on.
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40:00Welcome back.
40:01My next guest today, John, says that things were going so well
40:03with his fiancée, Katrina, that she came off the pill
40:06so they could try for a baby.
40:07However, check this.
40:08Just a few days later, he discovered secret messages
40:10between her and her ex, and now suspects
40:13the love of his life has been cheating.
40:15Let's get him out to unravel this.
40:17John is on the show, guys.
40:23That was the biggest warfare since.
40:26That's a nervous walk.
40:28How are you?
40:29I'm all right.
40:30You're not all right at all, are you?
40:31No.
40:32I want to say to everybody, it's all well and good.
40:34You sit in the audience, and you think somebody should come out
40:37and be fine, but it's hard, and it's hard when you're in love
40:40with somebody and you have major doubts.
40:41You've been engaged, too.
40:42Katrina, for eight, you've been with her for ten.
40:44That didn't take long.
40:46You said, and I love this, you said this is my dream woman.
40:50Yeah.
40:52He actually proposed in a restaurant.
40:59What's going on?
41:01It's just things, man, man.
41:02It's all coming back to me, you know what I mean?
41:04Things got very serious, and tell me about this trying for a baby.
41:11Well, in the past few months, right, we were just, like, discussing in the future.
41:16We'll move away.
41:18We'll have kids sometime.
41:19We'll discuss, like, names and stuff like that.
41:23She comes off the pill?
41:24Yeah, yeah.
41:24She came off the pill a month ago.
41:26Nice.
41:26And then you discovered what?
41:28I found she met up with her ex.
41:30She met up with her ex.
41:32This is the ex, Dan.
41:34Yeah.
41:34We've got a statement later.
41:36Um, you say, um, that hit you like a ton of bricks, but that was nothing compared to when you
41:42discovered messages.
41:43Now, we ain't, you know, we're not going to drag this out, but what did the messages say specifically?
41:48She said, um, the message said, I'd always be with you.
41:52And that's, like, one of the messages.
41:54Another message said, we'll be together one day.
41:57I'm only with John at the moment because I have to be.
41:59I'll be with you one day, Dan.
42:01Yeah.
42:02Um, you are devastated.
42:06This was a woman you believed was a virgin.
42:07This was a woman you believed was the love of your life, and you believe and suspect that she's messing
42:11around with her ex.
42:11Look at me.
42:13I can only do this job one way.
42:16We have done the lie detector test.
42:18If she passes, this is in your head.
42:21If she fails, what happens?
42:23Oh.
42:29Well, well, I don't know if she's full of my heart, full of me, do you know what I mean?
42:32Do you know what I mean?
42:33I still love it, you know what I mean?
42:35You can't believe that she's telling the truth.
42:37Yeah.
42:37Get her out.
42:38Katrina's on the show that way, ladies and gentlemen.
42:48How are you?
42:49Good.
42:50I'm fine.
42:50You told him you were going somewhere, you ended up meeting up with your ex.
42:53Yeah.
42:54It was a hug and a kiss?
42:56Yes.
42:56Why?
42:57I thought I had feelings for him, but I didn't really.
43:02It's just, I thought it was on for his relationship.
43:05So today's about proving to John that this is just ridiculous accusations, and is this, I mean, I was reading,
43:12you tell the team, I am being accused all the time.
43:15All these accusations, I didn't sleep with anyone else, I haven't, right?
43:19I give, do you know actually what I've given up?
43:22Just to prove that I haven't done anything.
43:25What?
43:25I've deleted all my email accounts.
43:27Brilliant.
43:28You lied to that one.
43:29You lied.
43:29Is that a huge thing to give up?
43:31You still lied?
43:59I've got my mobile phone.
44:01I've been there today, but I couldn't make it, but if Katrina ever does decide she's had enough of John,
44:06I'll always be there for her.
44:09Are you going to pass?
44:10Yes.
44:11Then are we going to bang your heads together and make it all right?
44:13Yes?
44:14Yes.
44:14Let's do those all-important lie detector results.
44:16Thank you, William, as ever.
44:17The questions that were asked of Katrina, the answers that she gave, and whether indeed she was telling the truth
44:22or not.
44:24Before the test, your girlfriend and fiancé admitted that she kissed her ex on five separate occasions during her relationship
44:31with you.
44:32Five.
44:33She also admitted sexual contact with another man.
44:38However, she claims that you know both of these men, yeah?
44:42So you didn't just kiss the ex once, it was five times, yeah?
44:45Yes.
44:45I didn't know that.
44:46You didn't know that?
44:46Not all five.
44:47And also you had a bit of a grope with another man.
44:49So, we did the questions.
44:52Since the start of your relationship with John, apart from the two people you admitted to earlier, have you passionately
44:57kissed any other person?
44:58That would be the ex and the other bloke, those are the two.
45:01Have you passionately kissed any other person, yeah?
45:03She said no.
45:04And why do you think she said no?
45:08Because she loves me.
45:09Sorry?
45:10No, because your fiancé is a dirty little liar, that's why.
45:17Then we asked your fiancé, since the start of your relationship with John, apart from kissing or the one person
45:21you admitted to, have you had sexual contact with any other person?
45:24She said no.
45:25I won't drag it out.
45:26She lied on that question as well.
45:29And not a word.
45:30And then we asked her, since the start of your relationship with John, have you had sexual intercourse with any
45:35other person?
45:35She said no.
45:37I take no joy in telling you your girlfriend failed every question on the line.
45:40Why?
45:41I didn't do anything.
45:42Who?
45:43That's all I want to know.
45:44I haven't.
45:45Okay, I'm a busy man.
45:46Let's cut to the chase.
45:47I knew the minute you walked out.
45:48Tell him, because he's decent, the truth.
45:51You did have sex with somebody else, didn't you?
45:53No, I didn't.
45:53I don't believe you for a moment.
45:56People like you who say at the beginning of a test five times...
46:01Are you going to sit and cry?
46:02No, I'm not, because I'm...
46:04You don't want to be with him anyway, do you?
46:06I haven't done anything.
46:07Yeah, of course you've done it, love.
46:08And if you had any decency, you'd come and tell him the truth.
46:10You want me to drag you, do you?
46:11Why don't you tell him the truth?
46:14He's a nice guy who just so happens to be in love.
46:17Where's he gone?
46:17You need to hurry up.
46:18He's done one.
46:21Come on.
46:22There's Jeremy.
46:23Come here.
46:23Come here, come here, come here, come here.
46:25Oh!
46:29Three, three, three, six, eh.
46:30Do you want to keep it up with my...
46:31No, no, it's in this one.
46:33This one, don't I?
46:34This is organised.
46:36Just take the seat.
46:38Take the seat nicely, yeah?
46:40Sit down.
46:41Well done, Johnny.
46:42What are you doing putting your foot through a glass?
46:45That's ridiculous.
46:46Eh?
46:48Listen, I'm with you about her, but really, you don't have to abuse other people.
46:52Where is she?
46:55I don't take any pleasure in telling people anything other than the truth, but you need
46:59to know.
47:00The fact she changed the questions, the fact she kissed somebody five times, the fact that
47:04she had sexual contact with another, you don't need much more proof, do you?
47:09You know, when you feel really desperate and in love and all those sorts of things, but
47:11the truth of the matter is this.
47:13Sometimes you have to be rock bottom and think, you know what, I have to walk away from this.
47:16I'm going to ask Graham to come in here.
47:19You going to admit?
47:21Admit to what?
47:21I haven't done anything.
47:24I wish you luck.
47:26Talk to Graham.
47:27Calm down.
47:28We will support you.
47:29Look at me.
47:31But sometimes staying with somebody that you think you love in the hope that they'll change
47:35is not the right thing to do.
47:36Graham, if you'd like to come in.
47:38Okay.
47:40I guess that's the thing about the car show.
47:41People come in with a lie detector.
47:43They want the truth.
47:43They don't always get the result they want.
47:45I really hope, and Graham is with John, that he can wise up.
47:48You know, we've all been in love, haven't we?
47:49We've all been in that situation where we want to believe it's going to be absolutely fine.
47:53But you know, when love makes you do something like that, you know perhaps it's time to move on.
47:58I'll see you very soon.
47:59Take care.
47:59Bye-bye for now.
48:00Bye-bye.
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