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The Jeremy Kyle Show - 27th February 2018
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00:10On today's show, Danny is here to confront his nightmare-jealous ex-parna Lorena, who he describes as a vindictive, selfish woman who even tried to kidnap his dog.
00:24Are you on a pack? You won't even know yourself. Do you want to wait to London, dear, or remove all?
00:30Are you slagging me up? Who are you?
00:36What's the dream? I just want to know who the father to my son is.
00:40What does this mean to you, Lewis? Everything I'm at.
00:43Who the f*** do you think you are?
00:46Get out.
00:46Get out.
00:47Get out.
01:00Get out.
01:02Get out.
01:03Get out.
01:04Get out.
01:06Get out.
01:08Get out.
01:10Get out.
01:12Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:14Ryan, my first guest today, Danny, is here to confront, he says, his nightmare-jealous ex-parna Lorena, a woman he says has banned him from seeing his children because, apparently, he's gone into a relationship with a young woman.
01:24He says he hates his ex Lorena, whom he describes as a vindictive, selfish woman, who even tried to kidnap his dog.
01:30Today, he says he needs to demand access once and for all. Is that for the kids or the dogs? I do not know, but Danny is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
01:37See, I got this this morning and I thought to myself, that's a bit rich, isn't it?
01:49It's not.
01:50Is you coming out here going to pretend I'm father of the year?
01:53But ten years ago, you were on this show giving it large.
01:56You were all about, it's all about women, don't care about children.
01:59This is a man who was on the Jeremy Kyle Show ten years ago, used to drive around the country with a packet of wet wipes, having sex with as many women as possible.
02:05You don't care about your kids, now I'm supposed to just go, oh, yes, you're father of the year.
02:10Just, just, with my past, doesn't make me a bad parent. I'm a good dad and I'm here to fight for my children.
02:15But you were flaunting it last time with your 17-year-old.
02:17Yeah, but doesn't make me a bad parent, does it?
02:21Doesn't make me a bad parent, that, does it?
02:23You seem too interested in your kids there. Can you stop that, please?
02:27Let's talk about the children. It's Lorena, your ex.
02:29Yeah, my Lorena, yeah.
02:30You're 33, she's 29. How long were you together?
02:33Just over five years.
02:34How long did we depart? Did you leave her for the 17-year-old?
02:37No, no.
02:38We've been separated about, we've been separated about three months before,
02:42Before you finished with me.
02:43Three months before I got with, Sean on.
02:46That's Lorena.
02:48Slapped off a bit of make-up for the first time in her life.
02:51What for you?
02:53Who's that next to her?
02:54My ex-wife with a match of make-up.
02:56Thank you very much.
02:58Stay away.
02:59Full.
03:02So you were with both of them, not at the same time?
03:04No.
03:05You're now with Lorena. How did you meet Lorena?
03:06I met her on plentyoffish.com.
03:09Um, you say that Lorena is not a good mother.
03:15You say she's only interested in taking painkillers and smoking cigarettes?
03:18Yeah.
03:19Why'd she have two kids with her then?
03:20Yeah, I looked after your kids.
03:21Why'd you have two kids with her then?
03:24Why'd you have two kids with her then?
03:25Well, she fell pregnant very quickly with my first daughter with her.
03:29Well, you could wrap something round it then.
03:30No, I know what I could have.
03:31You know, when I got with her, things were absolutely brilliant and, you know, and then obviously...
03:44You blame her for causing a pretty traumatic event in your life, don't you?
03:48No, yeah.
03:49Well, it plays part of the... my son, my dying, I believe.
03:54You know, not sorely.
03:55Are you having a laugh?
03:56You weren't even there, you silly...
03:58You were away to London doing a removal while I had to go through a...
04:01I came home...
04:02I was in a coma.
04:04You never came home till the day after he was born.
04:06Are you saying that because she...
04:08Talking...
04:09You weren't even there.
04:10So then he started...
04:12You say that...
04:15You say the stillbirth might have been caused by her addiction to painkillers?
04:19Three to four days before she had...
04:22Still...
04:23Still born...
04:24Still birth.
04:25She was in hospital.
04:26Her liver was failing.
04:27The hospital told her she had to stop taking all the painkillers that she was taking.
04:31Stopped smoking so much she was because her liver was failing and it was trying to repair.
04:35How many kids have you got with her?
04:37I've got two plus my son.
04:38And she stopped you from seeing them and you say that is because she is jealous of Shauna?
04:42Yes.
04:43What?
04:44She...
04:45When I started chatting to Shauna she was still living with me and she turned round and said
04:49to me...
04:50Who's there?
04:51That's Shauna there.
04:52What?
04:53That's it!
04:54You look to yourselves in the mirror.
04:56She's now best mates with your ex-wife.
04:59Yeah.
05:00There's a pattern here every time.
05:01Yeah, you keep having kids with women and leaving them.
05:03I've got kids.
05:04How many kids have you got with the one on the left?
05:06I've got two of her.
05:07So how many kids...
05:08Four?
05:09I've got two with...
05:10No, I've got two with Jasmine.
05:12Should I get my calculator?
05:13Two with Jasmine.
05:14Jasmine, two.
05:15Anybody else?
05:16Well, if you want to be precise I've got seven children in total.
05:18So there you go.
05:19Wow.
05:20You're 33?
05:21Yeah.
05:22Do you pay for all your children?
05:23Yes, I do.
05:24I pay for all my children.
05:25Are you having unprotected sex or protected sex with the young girl?
05:29Shauna has the implants so yes, we have protection.
05:33Right.
05:34Why are you here today?
05:35Because I want to see my daughter.
05:37Well, my daughters.
05:38You don't have wet wipes anymore.
05:39No.
05:40You're not on plenty of fish.
05:41You're in love with Shauna.
05:42Yeah.
05:43Are you seeing the kids with the ex-wife?
05:44No.
05:45I see my two older children, yes.
05:47So Jasmine, although she's mates with Lorena, allows you to see the kids but Lorena doesn't?
05:51Yes.
05:52Why doesn't Lorena?
05:53Lorena...
05:54That's a question for Lorena on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
05:57What's your trying to say?
05:58Why don't our kids have broken that off?
06:00I'm so sad.
06:01OK.
06:02I'm so sad.
06:03I'm so sad.
06:04I'm so sad.
06:05I'm so terrified.
06:06I'm so scared all the time.
06:07Oh, go shut the f*** up you, because you don't even kill me.
06:10Who's that?!
06:12Get off until I say you could come on
06:35Why are you here Lorena in his bands I've got messages that prove I am offered and offered and offered
06:41time access but because there's no one has to I would like anything else to give
06:46the line you gave to my team which is I'm going to say this is a massive
06:50compliment he describes himself as a sex god and tell them what sex was like I
06:57would lie I would lie in bed but I pull you over my head watching Jeremy Kyle on
07:03the rerun with headphones and my ears while he went at it because he lasted
07:07three minutes at max
07:11set on she's watching me well he's
07:15right you took shirley bass and dragged her out the house
07:20in the house until you got the stuff you're talking baby was cheating on you
07:25would show me wait shorter at least four days before that Kenny because you can
07:32see nothing to my children exactly why are you not coming to see my children
07:36nothing else to see the kids how many times have I offered you access why am I
07:40because I'm not having someone is he not allowed to see him can we cut to the chase
07:45come on just send it to me Lorena but he's going to bring them
07:48home right because he's allowed to keep them since he's on the birth certificate you're
07:52jealous of his young girlfriend aren't you it's perverted she's a adult as soon as she
07:58well let's bring her out and shout us on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
08:04why are you being so jealous what's this got to do with me this is to do with your children
08:08you're the one that messes me involving yourself
08:11I said I didn't want to
08:12yeah I want you to let Daniel see his kids
08:14you can't sit there and tell me oh you're being a bad parent because you know what
08:18I didn't say that did I
08:19either you told me to watch myself because parental
08:22alienation is becoming against the law
08:24she's never told you
08:25so much bubbles
08:27who's shirley
08:28the dog
08:29shirley basset the dog
08:30shirley what shirley basset
08:32shirley basset
08:35we told her today that she was coming when i was with that
08:40under the bed
08:41will you ever win me when i was with that dog
08:43shirley what in the
08:44is that
08:45shirley what
08:47shirley basset
08:48nicknamed shirley basset
08:51oh look at
08:52they told me all day it was shirley basset
08:55shirley basset
08:56it looks about as miserable as graham
08:58doesn't it
08:59oh what a beautiful dog
09:03who's got the dog
09:04she dragged the dog out of the arms when she came out
09:06the dog
09:07he got it
09:08she tried the dog out on the street and refused to hand it over and then when the dog
09:12you tried to kidnap the dog you dog kidnapper
09:15he opened the door
09:16oh shirley basset
09:17what's she
09:18what's she
09:19what's she
09:20what's she
09:21what's she
09:22what's she
09:23what's she
09:24you
09:25what's she
09:26what's she
09:28what's she
09:29what's she
09:30what's she
09:33he
09:34he'll
09:35shut the door
09:36and i told him
09:37i'm the dog
09:38and i told him
09:40gold finger
09:41and he nearly got hit by a bus
09:42but he's so much
09:44but he's so much
09:46I'm going to a break, but this is for you, Steve.
09:51Hey, big spend-up.
09:55What has happened to father's rights or father's for justice?
10:00You're not so gay.
10:01You're so gay.
10:04We're not just focused on where we're here to be.
10:07Shut up.
10:09The next person who speaks off the stage, shut up.
10:16It's all kicking off, security.
10:34This test is you're a liar, love.
10:37This isn't about you, this is about your children.
10:39Oh, here we go.
10:41Okay, more happiness after.
10:46Oh, get off.
10:47No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
10:52Oh, my Lord.
10:54We need Felix Schofielders to put up with this.
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11:26Thank you very much, Andy.
11:36Welcome back.
11:37Before the break,
11:38so we had Danny,
11:39Danny been on before,
11:40he's got a young girlfriend,
11:41and that's a problem,
11:42you're 17,
11:42you're 33.
11:43You're the ex-Lorena,
11:44you've got two kids with him,
11:45but you say he's not allowed to see the children.
11:47I never got...
11:48No, I've never seen that.
11:49I say he's not allowed to see them.
11:50You've said you can't.
11:51Why?
11:52Because he won't bring them back,
11:54and I trust that she's not allowed to be there.
11:56She has never said she wants to...
11:58Now, one of your best friends is...
12:00I'm not going to be in your kids' lives.
12:02Listen to what she's saying.
12:03He's been bullocked after his burns before...
12:05This is my children.
12:07Can I say something?
12:08Do you know when you're using those little shots in that?
12:10Shush, shush.
12:10Yeah?
12:11When I've got video...
12:12When you said to him,
12:14they...
12:15You get a friend that you're just going through the court to see...
12:18Yeah, you're not...
12:21You've never been...
12:22You are jealous of her, though, aren't you?
12:24No, I'm not.
12:24I swear to God...
12:26I don't care about her.
12:28She doesn't want to be involved, mate.
12:31I'm not good.
12:31I'm still going to trust him.
12:32So talk to him.
12:32What did you want to say before I have a breakdown?
12:35Two weeks before we split...
12:37Well, sorry, before you moved out, I'll rephrase that.
12:39No, I say we split because he's a liar.
12:41Will you shut up and let me finish?
12:43Just saying...
12:44We never split up three months.
12:45I'll sooner not...
12:46...again, so let me finish saying it, okay?
12:48This is...
12:48Yeah, Sally.
12:50Could you please be quiet?
12:51I mean, that's when you're an adult, right?
12:53Shush, shush.
12:54When you're having...
12:55Then you can be involved.
12:56When you're being physically intimate with a woman, right?
12:59Is that...
13:00Shush.
13:01When you mean physically intimate with a woman, I'm not saying it's always very romantic and always worse.
13:04And Steve's grinning.
13:05But I think if I had...
13:07If I was making love to a woman and she had a headset on and a pillow over her head whilst watching a television programme, I would think she's not really into me.
13:19I'm still...
13:20Now, I...
13:20Now, obviously, I'm 52, and honestly, I...
13:23I get...
13:24I...
13:24It takes a lot nowadays, but I...
13:26What?
13:27Did she have a pillow over her head?
13:29No, I'm struggling to understand...
13:30Fuck!
13:30You're now mates with his ex-wife. Jasmine's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
13:45You've not bothered. You've not phoned them at Christmas time.
13:48Sorry?
13:49No, you're a phone call.
13:49I'll tell you what, can we...
13:50Can we go to another break?
13:51And can I get my mobile phone and bring my face...
13:53No, I'm not going to a break!
13:54And then I can show the discussions I've been having with my children.
13:57You're talking...
13:57He has been having...
13:59He has been trying.
14:01Take a seat.
14:01How many kids have you got with him?
14:02Two?
14:03Two, yeah.
14:03Why are you suddenly best mates with Lorena?
14:05We've been pals with three.
14:07We've been f***ing all day long.
14:08Stop swearing!
14:10We all went on holiday together to Devon for a week and all that with all the kids.
14:15What's on a father, is he?
14:18No father, right?
14:18He never has been...
14:19No father?
14:19Is she jealous of the new girlfriend?
14:21No, I've got a car.
14:23She's just a child.
14:24A child.
14:25Why is the full conversation being based on...
14:27Her and my sex life than rather...
14:29And the two children we're talking about?
14:31I agree with that.
14:31Why can't it be on that?
14:33She involved herself.
14:35No, she didn't.
14:36Yes, she said.
14:37She said to me.
14:38We asked her to come to support him.
14:39She has not said that she wants to be involved at all.
14:43I'm not saying she wants to be involved.
14:44I'll vouch.
14:45There was one conversation they did have...
14:47See?
14:48She started.
14:49Yes, one evening.
14:50I do not want to argue with you.
14:52Bad mum.
14:53I didn't call her bad mum, no, did I?
14:55Who's Kayleigh?
14:57Or some...
14:58Is another friend.
14:59Which...
15:00What?
15:00Look at the burn in there, we're friends.
15:05Hey, come and talk to your children.
15:07Sorry, could I put go till I tell you to come on?
15:10Of course.
15:12Welcome Kayleigh to the Jeremy Kyle show.
15:14I'm sorry, but you're the one that was sexual in such a relationship.
15:27What's that got to do with your children?
15:28What is that **** to your children?
15:29You would emotion.
15:30I would love you.
15:31I would love you.
15:32I would love you.
15:33I would love you.
15:34I would love you.
15:35I would love you.
15:36I would love you.
15:37That is disgusting.
15:39Whatever happened to fathers rights or fathers for justice?
15:42You're not just focused on why we're here today.
15:49You're not just focused on why we're here today.
15:52You're not answering me before your two friends.
15:57Answer me, right?
16:00You know what my problem is?
16:03How many times have I offered you access?
16:07Why would I want to sit in a room for you?
16:11If you were being denied access to your kids and your ex-wife...
16:15I'll tell you what, she's not a bitch.
16:17And I've not seen them for two months.
16:19You won't like my answer. Everybody shut up. Go on.
16:21As long as you come in the house.
16:23I would be not sitting opposite.
16:25I'd have you in court if you had the...
16:27If you had the tomorrow to tell me that I was only...
16:31Shut up! Shut up! Shush!
16:33You have no right to tell them it's just supervised.
16:36Why should he just have supervised access?
16:38Because he's never looked after...
16:40Never looked after our daughters.
16:43Never looked after our daughters.
16:45But then the other side is...
16:46You have photographs of photographs of the holidays...
16:49...of our children on their own...
16:51Children on our own.
16:54We're...
16:55Shut up, you. You've seen that.
16:57Right?
16:58You cannot tell me what to do.
17:01Shut up, you.
17:03Shut up, you.
17:04Shut up!
17:06Shut up!
17:07Shut up!
17:08The next person who speaks off the stage, shut up.
17:25Shut up!
17:26As I see it, and I'm old.
17:28Whatever...
17:29Why are you laughing?
17:31Whatever he's done in the past, just don't anybody say a word or you're gone.
17:35He's saying he's here because he wants to see his kids.
17:38I need to take from each of you one thing.
17:40Could you have done more for a variety of your children in the past, yes or no?
17:45I could have been a better dad at the beginning, yes.
17:47Right, start with that.
17:49Lorena, whatever you say, most people watching this would assume there is a degree of jealousy about...
17:55It doesn't matter about the age, about him, you know, going off with somebody else and suddenly everything's fantastic.
18:01And I get that.
18:02What I don't get about you is, yes, he's acknowledged it perhaps hasn't been that good in the past, but I don't get the supervised thing.
18:09It sounds to me, and I could be wrong, that you're throwing the supervised thing at him because you're trying to score points.
18:16No, any time I've ever tried to leave him in the past, because I've not been happy since...
18:21Why would he want to be alone with you?
18:23Can I say...
18:24No, you black, blimmin' world card, shut up!
18:26There's messages where I've said he can go on sort of contact centre.
18:29I'm not interested about social messages, I'm not...
18:31He can sort of contact centre, I don't even want to be...
18:33I don't even want to speak to the... again in my life.
18:36There are plenty of kids.
18:38Oi, shut up!
18:40There are plenty of kids.
18:42Oi, Lorena, there are plenty of kids on this show.
18:45Shut up!
18:46Who need social services and they need a supervised contact centre, I get that.
18:50But I'm struggling to find out whether there is a real reason here or it's just point scoring.
18:55I'm not interested in messages, I'm not interested in the past.
18:58What?
18:59Ask this audience, give us a...
19:02Apart from he's never done it, well that means you haven't let him,
19:05why is there just the need for supervised access?
19:08Because he has never taken both my kids out before, right?
19:11Any time I've asked him why he doesn't take my youngest out,
19:14oh I cannae handle them both.
19:16What suddenly makes him able to handle them now?
19:18Answer that, nobody else.
19:20Fair point.
19:21That's completely incorrect.
19:22Photographs after photographs which I sent to your researchers last night...
19:26With all of them.
19:27...of me with all the children, alone, trips to London, trips to Arbroath, all over the country, trips days out, anywhere.
19:35But um, okay.
19:37I think obviously there's this issue.
19:39What's your relationship?
19:41Have you got kids with him?
19:42No.
19:43What's your view of Danny?
19:44I think he's a brilliant person and she's not given him a chance.
19:49At the end of the day you can clearly see he loves his children and he does deserve...
19:53But he's admitted that he could have done more.
19:55Why can't you with I help use today as a template for him to actually go,
20:00Right, just because I'm with that girl, just because I've got a past, I want to be a dad.
20:04Why can't you allow that to happen?
20:06He can have unsupervised access once I have a residency order in place and he has to bring them back.
20:13Why is that not acceptable to you?
20:15That is fine.
20:16I've got no problem.
20:17So we've found an answer.
20:18Yeah, I've already said that.
20:20So you're happy for your...
20:21In the meantime, I've already said I do not want to have the children full time.
20:25I believe they should be with the mother and the father.
20:28There's no reason why we both co-parent.
20:30You know, we're both parents.
20:32We both got parental rights.
20:34You know, we both stay within 15 to 20 minutes each other.
20:38We should have been able to sort this out without having to come here.
20:41I chose not to take up on the supervised access, standing in a middle of a park in the middle of December.
20:49Yes.
20:50Was A, my oldest daughter is disabled with a low immune system and if she falls ill, we'll pick it up a cold.
20:56What do you mean in a park?
20:57Who was making you sit in a park?
20:59It was even a park.
21:00How was it me?
21:01We're going to go around and say, are you, you know she's going for a residency order, hear me out.
21:06No problem with that.
21:07And once you've got that, I have a commitment that you will allow him, we'll work it out.
21:11And when she stays away and tell that relationship.
21:13Yes, see it is all about her.
21:14That's fair enough.
21:15And tell them.
21:16But if they're in the park, she'll probably be playing on the swings.
21:19That's all I was going to say.
21:20They've been together for about six weeks.
21:22I'm not having her coming in.
21:23That is acceptable.
21:24You understand?
21:25All that is a stable relationship.
21:26For now.
21:27Yes.
21:28She stays away.
21:29Shona's never said she wants to get involved.
21:31We're doing it.
21:32We're doing it.
21:33We're doing it.
21:34We're doing it.
21:35What are you saying?
21:36I'll talk to her.
21:37I don't want nothing to do with your kids.
21:38I just want you to let him see his kids.
21:40And I just want you to keep your nose out.
21:42It's going out of the day with her.
21:43Then you'll keep your nose out of that relationship.
21:44Then you'll keep your nose out of that relationship.
21:45Then you'll keep your nose out of that relationship.
21:46Then you'll keep your nose out of that relationship.
21:47Can I put you with somebody else with Graham?
21:49Get a residency order.
21:51We then agree unsupervised access.
21:54You have to take them back.
21:55Second I get a whiff that she's there.
21:56Everybody's happy.
21:57You will never see them again.
21:58What did you just say?
21:59The second I get a whiff that she's there, he will never see them again.
22:02In the future.
22:03In the future, you'll have to get used to that.
22:05It keeps.
22:06Yeah, but you know what it sounds like.
22:09And I'm going to say it.
22:10You won't like it.
22:11I'm sitting here trying to come up and help you with the resolve.
22:13And every time I do, it's all about her.
22:15You are jealous of that girl, however it's dressed up.
22:18Because she's with a hammer, you're having a laugh.
22:20You're violent.
22:21You should've...
22:22Oh, here we go, I'm violent, aye.
22:24You've been witness.
22:25You've been witness.
22:26I'm in your car to us.
22:27Turn it to him.
22:28Whatever.
22:29She witness.
22:30She witness.
22:31Your girlfriend witness.
22:32Yeah, I've got health visits.
22:34Guys, we were...
22:35Oi, oi, oi.
22:36We were getting somewhere, please.
22:38You are going to be quiet.
22:39As long as he has a residency order, I don't care.
22:42You're not to be involved in the long run if it becomes a stable relationship, that'll be an interesting one.
22:46I don't really have an appointment with my solicitor today, but obviously I had to change it for obvious reasons.
22:49Because she ran the chair.
22:50Why was that?
22:51Because I was here.
22:52Because this is more important, innit?
22:53Why did I ask her?
22:54Well, it was more important because I thought maybe for a chance I might get to see my children here today.
22:58And that's why I brought, because I brought them gifts as well.
23:00Can he see his...
23:01Oh, is this the Christmas present?
23:02Can he see his kids today?
23:03No.
23:04Can he see his kids today?
23:05I've got to talk to him.
23:07Ask him if she wants to see him.
23:08Okay.
23:09So later on.
23:10That's fine.
23:11Off camera, alright.
23:12That's fine.
23:13We'll arrange the access.
23:14We'll sort it out with the two of you.
23:16I really appreciate it.
23:17Let's just stop the shouting and try and get this sorted, okay?
23:19You three that way.
23:20You two get that way.
23:21Give him a round of applause.
23:22Thank you very much indeed.
23:23How many kids have you got, Steve?
23:31Three.
23:32Three.
23:33How many have you got, Will?
23:34That he knows about.
23:35Back after the break.
23:36Don't go anywhere.
23:37You've kept this guy potentially out of his son's life for 14 months to suit your own damn life.
23:43No.
23:44Yes, you have.
23:45That my son was Lewis's.
24:06It's all kicking off.
24:07Security.
24:08This test is you're a liar, love.
24:16This isn't about you.
24:18This is about your children.
24:19Oh, here we go.
24:20The power will increase.
24:21Okay, more happiness after.
24:22Oh, get off.
24:23No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
24:28Oh my lord.
24:29Nick Phillips, go through us to put up with this.
24:35Is someone you know leading a double life?
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25:05Thank you very much, Eddie.
25:10Welcome back.
25:11My next guest today, Lewis is here for all important DNA results to find out if he is the father to his ex, Cora's baby.
25:19Now, Lewis says he was left gobsmacked when Cora announced she was pregnant with his child, but even more shocked when he discovered online she'd also told another man he was also dead.
25:28He says, today, says Lewis, this is the most important day of my life.
25:32I hope DNA will prove I'm the dad, and I want to get this sorted.
25:36Lewis is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
25:47Um, how do you feel?
25:49Sweating.
25:51Sweating?
25:53Sweat through two t-shirts already.
25:55Deodorant.
25:56Yes, I've got it on.
25:57Oh, lovely.
25:58Yes.
25:59Ex-partner of Cora.
26:01Cora, yeah.
26:02Uh, how long were you with her?
26:03Just tell about this relationship before we get to why we're here today.
26:06How did you meet?
26:07Uh, we used to work together.
26:08Oh, yeah.
26:09So we worked in the same place.
26:10I was a manager at a shop, and she was customer service manager, I think.
26:14What was it like?
26:15Good?
26:16Serious?
26:17Casual?
26:18No, it was...
26:19I thought it was serious, but I think to her it was more casual.
26:21Okay.
26:22You're together six or seven months.
26:23I'm only asking because obviously there's a baby.
26:25How old's the baby?
26:27I don't know.
26:29You don't know how old the ba...
26:31Nope.
26:32Have you ever met the baby?
26:33Nope.
26:34Just born, or...?
26:36I've seen pictures of when it was not long born, but I've never seen the baby.
26:41So, we will get to this, because it's always very easy to...
26:44I've just been held on May, it's 14 months old, and you've never seen the child?
26:47No.
26:48Baby's called Johnny.
26:49Um...
26:50You're together, she gets pregnant whilst you're together?
26:53Yes?
26:54Yeah.
26:55Does she come and tell you that?
26:56Yeah, she told me it was...
26:57It was mine, so...
26:58She came to you, you're in a relationship with a woman, she says,
27:00I'm pregnant, it's yours, everybody's happy.
27:02Why'd you split up with her?
27:03Well, we sort of split up before she told me that she was pregnant.
27:07How did you feel when she told you that she was pregnant?
27:09I was over the moon, I nearly passed out, to be fair.
27:11Sweating?
27:12Yeah.
27:13Yeah, well, that's what I do now.
27:14Yeah, no, listen, sweating's fine, apparently.
27:16Ask Richard there on camera for her, he sweats like anything.
27:18Um, but, but, you're apart from her, she's pregnant,
27:22do you play a part in the pregnancy?
27:24I mean, cos, you told my team I didn't think I would have kids,
27:26so this was an amazing thing, right?
27:28No, cos, basically, I'm firing on one cylinder, let's say.
27:31Uh, you didn't think you could have kids?
27:33When she said you are, you're happy, right?
27:35Yeah.
27:36So how do we end up on the Jeremy Kyle show with you saying,
27:38I haven't seen this child, I don't know if it's mine,
27:40and me saying in the introduction that she's told another guy the same thing?
27:43Yeah, I see on Facebook that, um, she told, well, the other guy,
27:48I sort of found out on Facebook cos I saw a picture of him holding a teddy bear.
27:52Isn't the truth that she was living a double life?
27:54She was sleeping both of you, wasn't she?
27:55It seems that way, yeah.
27:57Do you have any contact with her at all?
27:58I haven't had no contact with her for about two years.
28:01Could I, could I throw this in the mix?
28:03And I could be totally wrong.
28:04You, you rather liked this girl, didn't you?
28:06Yeah, man.
28:08I loved her.
28:09Genuinely loved her.
28:10Every little bit.
28:11And she knows I did as well.
28:13You felt played by her?
28:14I felt, yeah, played, but I'm too nice, to be fair.
28:17I gave her everything.
28:18She thought I was trying to buy her a love.
28:20I can't, you can't buy someone's love, can you?
28:23So.
28:24The other guy was invited to the scans.
28:26The other guy was invited to the birth.
28:28The other guy has been involved.
28:30So, how do we get to a point, as I say, we're on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
28:33Why today?
28:34Why are we doing this?
28:35Did you instigate this?
28:36Did she instigate that?
28:37Why are we...
28:38She, out of the blue, just messaged me saying,
28:40Oh, wow.
28:41Um, everyone thinks it looks like you.
28:44She, it was a formal, like, letter she wrote on Facebook.
28:47You think it's money, don't you?
28:48Partly, yeah.
28:49I'm willing to pay.
28:50I don't care.
28:51What if the child is yours, what will that mean?
28:54100% I'm in.
28:59In, only asking, not being horrible.
29:02In, because you want to be a dad.
29:06In, because you see it as a way back into her.
29:09No.
29:10It's just, a child deserves a dad.
29:12Today's important, yeah?
29:14I admire you, I like what you say, I hope you get good news.
29:18But whatever, whatever.
29:21Um...
29:23You know, I'm sat here thinking, even if it's not good news,
29:27you're a decent young man, you'll find somebody.
29:29I'm also sat here thinking, I'm going to be angry for you
29:31if you've missed out on 14 months of your son's life,
29:33because of this situation.
29:34How's that going to feel like?
29:35Yeah, well, I've missed some key points.
29:36I've missed, like, key life points.
29:37Like, walking, talking, that sort of thing.
29:39You can't get those things back, can you?
29:41Feel angry about that?
29:42Nah, just, like, I feel more disappointed in myself,
29:44because I should have done something.
29:45But I didn't, so...
29:47Let's get her out, yeah?
29:48Cora's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way!
29:58What did she say?
29:59I said he's a liar.
30:00Did you tell him that he's the father?
30:03I did, when I first...
30:04Did you tell the other man he's the father?
30:06When I first found out I was pregnant,
30:08I believed it to be Lewis.
30:10Believed it.
30:11Well, you shouldn't say something until you know the truth.
30:13Because he was my last partner.
30:14He was my last partner.
30:15Well, are you going to sit there all watery out?
30:19A bloke would be slaughtered for what you've done.
30:21You told him he was the father, didn't you?
30:23For about a week when I first found out I was pregnant.
30:25And then you let...
30:26Then did you tell him he wasn't,
30:27or did you just leave him hanging?
30:29No, I told him that it was a chance between him and the other person.
30:32You were cheating on him, though.
30:33That's the absolute overall...
30:34No, I wasn't.
30:35How can you not know who the father of your kid is
30:38if you weren't having sex with two men at the same time?
30:41Because the relationship...
30:42The relationship that I was in,
30:44I was in a relationship with the first person,
30:46and I split with him,
30:48and shortly after, me and Lewis...
30:50How shortly after?
30:51A week? A day?
30:52Yeah, about a week.
30:53About a week.
30:54And he full well knew that.
30:55Do you know who the father of your baby is?
30:57Between two people.
30:59I'm 50-50.
31:00So...
31:01How...
31:02How do you think that sounds?
31:03Well, I'm here to find out, aren't I?
31:05Why have you waited 14 months?
31:07Because when I was pregnant, I believed it to be the first person.
31:13I believed it to be the first person.
31:15When my son was about four months old,
31:17he started looking a tiny bit like Lewis.
31:20That was ten months ago.
31:21Why didn't you do something then?
31:22I asked the person that's on his birth certificate to do a DNA test.
31:26Oh, you've put the other bloke on the birth certificate?
31:28Yeah, because I believed that my son was his.
31:30Have you put his name on the birth certificate?
31:32Yes.
31:33And what if he's the father?
31:35Well, then I will change it, won't I?
31:36Oh, my God.
31:38You've kept this guy potentially out of his son's life
31:41for 14 months to suit your own damn life.
31:44No.
31:45Yes, you have.
31:46Because I didn't believe that my son was Lewis's.
31:48Come on, mate, speak.
31:49You know what?
31:50This doesn't wash, love.
31:51Whatever you think.
31:52You've played two men off for your own ends.
31:55Yes, you have.
31:56No, I haven't.
31:57Speak!
31:58What do I say?
31:59Tell her how you feel!
32:01Wow, shocking, isn't it?
32:02I didn't think...
32:03Admittedly, I just wanted her to be happy, so I let it go.
32:06I let it go.
32:07I shouldn't have let it go.
32:08He loved you.
32:09Totally.
32:10You know that, though, don't you?
32:13Yeah, and I loved him when we were together, so...
32:15What happened, then?
32:16We split up.
32:17Why?
32:18I can't remember, if I'm honest.
32:20I thought that he was trying to buy me.
32:24Talked to her.
32:25Well, kindness isn't just buying people.
32:27I've done everything for you, didn't I?
32:28Yeah, so I thought you were trying to buy me.
32:30You don't...
32:31There are just genuinely nice people out there, Cora.
32:34Do you know what she said to my team?
32:35Nobody's ever treated me the way he did, so I didn't quite know how to handle it.
32:38True?
32:39Exactly.
32:40Who knows how to treat a nice guy, cos everyone treats people like...
32:45This day and age, there's no such thing as respect for other people, and it annoys me to no end.
32:55And when people like me, nice people, be nice...
32:58It's taken the wrong way.
33:00Exactly.
33:01What's the dream?
33:02I just want to know who the father to my son is.
33:05Who do you want to be the father to?
33:06Are you in a relationship with the other guy?
33:08No.
33:09I haven't been for over a year.
33:11Do you still have feelings for this man?
33:13No.
33:14No.
33:15Good mum, though, by the way.
33:20I don't doubt that.
33:23It's been hard, hasn't it?
33:24I don't doubt that one bit.
33:25You're a good job.
33:26But I will, and, you know, I think this is a show that people love or they hate, but you
33:34should have done this sooner.
33:36If I had the doubts before, then I would have.
33:38At four months?
33:39I would have.
33:40You said you had doubts at four months.
33:41No, because he slightly looked like Lewis.
33:44I asked the other person and he said that I was being silly and that he's not doing a
33:48DNA test, though I thought that I was being silly.
33:51The most important thing today is to get the answer, but you were sleeping.
33:56There was the issue of two men at the same time all very close to each other, which is
33:59why there's confusion.
34:00What do you feel when you look at that?
34:06Yeah.
34:08Life-changing, eh?
34:09Mm-hmm.
34:10Would it be better for you if, um, if Lewis was the dad, truthfully?
34:14Honestly, I, it doesn't matter who is or who isn't.
34:16I just need to know for my son.
34:20What does this mean to you, Lewis?
34:24Everything, innit?
34:25Everything and anything.
34:26Why?
34:27Because, like I said, everyone deserves a dad.
34:30How's the dad?
34:31That's your son.
34:32That was nice.
34:44That was nice.
34:45That was nice.
34:46Look.
34:47Yes!
34:48Yes!
34:49Who's the daddy?
34:50Who's the daddy?
34:51Who's the daddy?
34:52Who's the daddy?
34:53Who's the daddy?
34:54Who's the daddy?
34:55Who's the daddy?
34:56Who's the daddy?
34:57Sorry!
34:58No, it's all right, honestly.
34:59Sorry!
35:00Hey, it's all right.
35:01I love her because she, the first thing out of her mouth was sorry, which not many people do on this show and respect to you for that, Cora.
35:05It's all right.
35:06Nobody, I had to say what I said because that was, for that little boy, how much does he look like his dad, by the way?
35:12Oh, he's got a forehead like Ryan, hasn't he?
35:16Well, as my mate calls it, a five heads.
35:19Can you meet him?
35:23I've said yes from the start, of course he can.
35:25Do you want to meet your son?
35:26Yeah, right, let's go.
35:27Bring her.
35:28Thanks, Cora.
35:29Bring her.
35:30Bring her.
35:31Bring her as well.
35:32That went?
35:37What's lovely about this?
35:39What's lovely about this?
35:40There's no, there's no anger, there's no, there's no sort of angst and you can, with our help, make this work for the sake of this kid.
35:47About to meet your son for the first time.
35:49Johnny, is it?
35:50Johnny.
35:51Fourteen months.
35:54Hey, buddy!
35:56Oh!
35:57Come here.
35:58Come here.
35:59Come here.
36:01Come here.
36:02Hi.
36:03Hi.
36:04Hi.
36:05Hi.
36:06Hey.
36:07Come here.
36:08Hey.
36:09Hey, Tommy.
36:10Hey.
36:11Hello.
36:12That's your dad.
36:13Hello.
36:14I really appreciate you.
36:16Thank you for coming on.
36:18I think this will be the making of you.
36:20And I think he will be a fantastic dad, alright?
36:22We're going to go to a break.
36:24We'll be back soon.
36:25Don't go anywhere.
36:26Come here.
36:28Don't you turn to me?
36:29Don't...
36:30Get that out of my building.
36:32Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go!
36:51It's all kicking off security.
36:53This test is you're a liar, love.
37:01This isn't about you, this is about your children.
37:05Oh, here we go.
37:07OK, more happiness after...
37:11Oh, get off!
37:13No, no, no, no, baby!
37:17Oh, my Lord.
37:19I need Philip Schofield for us to put up with this.
37:23Do you have an interfering ex?
37:28Are they ruining your relationship?
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37:53The next guest today, Wendy, is here because she wants to find out if her son, Michael's ex-partner, Lisa, is pregnant.
38:07Right, Wendy says she hates Lisa, who she believes is obsessed with her son,
38:10and intent on trying to ruin his life by making false claims that she is expecting his baby.
38:14Now, Wendy says that she is adamant Lisa is nothing but a liar,
38:17and today the pregnancy test will prove it.
38:19These are strong words, but Wendy is sure they are the right one.
38:22She's next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
38:23That way.
38:24Hello.
38:25You all right?
38:26I'm fine.
38:27I like you.
38:28Where's the scruffy one then?
38:29All right, well, let's get to the chase.
38:30Right, you are Michael's mother.
38:31I am indeed.
38:32I've never liked Lisa.
38:33She was never good enough for my son.
38:34She absolutely stinks.
38:35Quite.
38:36Talk to me.
38:37When she was living with us, I had to make her go in a shower.
38:42Let's get to the chase. Right, you are Michael's mother.
38:45I am indeed.
38:46I've never liked Lisa.
38:48She was never good enough for my son. She absolutely stinks.
38:52Quite.
38:53Talk to me.
38:54When she was living with us, I had to make her go in a shower.
38:59Honest to God, right, she abuses her family.
39:04She's nasty to her parents.
39:06It is unbelievable.
39:08Trust me.
39:09Her father can't do enough for her.
39:11She treats her dad like ****.
39:14And she's got no care in the world about her family, her mum and dad,
39:19which I adore her mum and dad.
39:21How long was she with your son, Michael?
39:23Not long enough, thank God.
39:25You say, you say, I had to scrub my sofa after she'd sat on it.
39:30Exactly.
39:31Why?
39:32Because she's scruffy.
39:34She don't know how to clean herself.
39:36She don't even know what an airbrush looks like.
39:39I'll give her a hairbrush to brush her hair.
39:42She can't even use it because she don't know what it's for.
39:49You say, it's a bit rich that she's claiming to be pregnant.
39:52It's definitely a lie.
39:53She's done this before.
39:54Is that true?
39:55Yes.
39:56She's done it before.
39:57I love you.
39:58When they first split up, she turned round, she said to my son, oh, by the way, I'm pregnant.
40:03No.
40:04So you think today is what?
40:16Yet another way of her trying to get herself back in with him?
40:20You think she's obsessed with him?
40:22What?
40:23Obsessed?
40:24She can't get him out of her head.
40:25Is...
40:26Son, do not love her anymore.
40:28But that's hard for some people to accept, right?
40:31I accept it.
40:33I love my son.
40:34I love all my children.
40:36I absolutely adore you.
40:38I do time for my kids.
40:40Trust me, I will.
40:41You've been to prison?
40:42No, I haven't.
40:43Oh, no.
40:44I'll go to prison if it comes to it.
40:45Would you?
40:46Just to protect my young children.
40:47Lovely.
40:48Heartfelt.
40:49Lisa's 21.
40:50She's here to do a pregnancy test because she says, I don't know why Wendy and Michael
40:54disbelieve me.
40:55It's true.
40:56I'm having Michael's baby and she's going to be a granny to my wee baby.
40:59Am I?
41:00Lisa's on the Jeremy Carr Show that way!
41:03What's with all a lie then?
41:04It's not a lie.
41:05What's with...
41:06You liar!
41:07I'm not.
41:08You turned round and you said...
41:09I took the pregnancy test.
41:10When you and Michael first split up, you turned round and said you were pregnant.
41:23It turned out to be...
41:24Yes, it's bloody right did.
41:25I haven't took the pregnancy test until Monday.
41:28So why you turned round to tell him you're pregnant anyway?
41:32Because I thought I was at the...
41:34I had no...
41:35You...
41:36You...
41:37You were born to be a stupid liar.
41:39This is not a lie.
41:40You're a stupid liar.
41:41You're a stupid liar.
41:42You're a stupid liar.
41:43You're a stupid liar.
41:44You're lying about stuff like this.
41:45Lisa, welcome to the show.
41:46To be fair, you told my team it's a shock to me.
41:47I am pregnant.
41:48I don't know why they don't believe me.
41:49Yeah.
41:50Are you trying to get him back?
41:51No, I just wanted...
41:52I wanted to be nice to let him go then pregnant with his child.
41:55Well, give her the benefit of the doubt.
41:57No.
41:58What?
41:59No.
42:00Well, let her speak.
42:01Yes!
42:02Yes!
42:03No!
42:04Wendy, yes!
42:05No!
42:06My God!
42:07She needs to tell the truth!
42:09Well, we'll find out the truth.
42:10Listen to me!
42:11And why are you talking for your son anyway?
42:14Why isn't he...
42:15Because I love my son.
42:16So why is he on the show to defend himself?
42:18Oh, he's coming on to give you a piece of his own mind.
42:20So why have you rung up instead of talking to himself?
42:24Why are you rung up?
42:25I rung up!
42:26I rung up!
42:27Because you're a born liar!
42:28Are you...
42:29Are you still in love with Michael?
42:30No.
42:31Yes.
42:32What?
42:33Pardon?
42:34It's Michael's involvement.
42:35Are you sure?
42:36Yes.
42:37Let's get Michael on the Jeremy Kyle show.
42:38He's coming.
42:39Oh my God!
42:40You're an obsessive liar!
42:41You're a liar!
42:42You almost text me everything, man!
42:44Yes, I'm a liar!
42:45Are you still in love with her?
42:46Am I, Al?
42:47Do you think you're the father of her baby?
42:48No.
42:49I think she's an obsessive liar.
42:50How far gone are you?
42:51Three months.
42:52The other day, you turned round and told me, yeah?
43:05When I asked you how far have you gone, I'm not sure why.
43:08I haven't been to the doctors yet.
43:10No, you're telling Jeremy you're three months.
43:13From the last time I had my...
43:15Oh, my God.
43:17Monthly.
43:18You need to treat your mum and dad with respect,
43:21because you've got no respect for them.
43:23I have.
43:24Yeah, of course you have.
43:25You're not with her.
43:26You're in a new relationship with Rebecca, right?
43:28Yeah.
43:29Because the thing that worries me about this, right,
43:31is that you both look quite smug,
43:34and this girl's on her own.
43:36What if she is telling the truth, missus?
43:38What if your son did do that three months ago,
43:41and this poor girl on her own on this stage
43:43is getting a complete load of verbal,
43:45and is telling the truth?
43:46What are you going to say then?
43:47Because she speaks whatever you run.
43:48What are you going to say then?
43:50I'm not going to say nothing.
43:53What about sorry?
43:55Jeremy.
43:55Who's that?
43:56I didn't want to speak, did I?
43:58Lisa's dad.
44:00Why didn't she apolog...
44:01Why didn't the two of them apologize to Lisa?
44:04Why don't you shut your mouth?
44:08I don't know.
44:09I don't know.
44:09I don't know.
44:09Sorry?
44:10I knew you were just a dish.
44:11You're standing on your parents' door.
44:15Why are you between your...
44:16Who are you?
44:20I'm your friends.
44:23I don't know who the f*** you think you are.
44:27You're not even cutting my face.
44:29Dan.
44:30Yeah?
44:30Get out.
44:31Where are you going?
44:51You've got to find out if you're going to be the father.
44:52Come on.
44:53Run and...
44:53What did you say?
44:55I said...
44:56Well, you don't care if you've got a child.
44:58Are you doing what you're missing?
45:00Well, why don't you find out the truth?
45:02I read your f*** your girlfriend.
45:03Oh, my f*** she was telling the truth.
45:06Little man.
45:08Oh, right.
45:09So, your boyfriend...
45:09Your son's now with a girl who tells him what to do.
45:13He's got...
45:13I'm liking her more and more.
45:18Where does she come from?
45:20Who's that?
45:20Who is?
45:21This is a girl.
45:22What are you having a go at me for?
45:28Because I know she's a compulsive liar.
45:30And I think your girlfriend's got a foul mouth.
45:33Oh, well, fair enough.
45:35Who's got the pregnancy results?
45:39Ladies and gentlemen, Graham Stanier.
45:42Come here.
45:45Come here.
45:46Come here.
45:47Come here.
45:48Okay, she's not lying on this occasion.
45:55She is over three weeks pregnant.
45:58Hang on.
46:02The test that we carried out could only be specific to the point of she is three plus weeks pregnant.
46:10So she is pregnant.
46:11But the family go she's further than three weeks.
46:13Yes.
46:14It's three plus, so yes.
46:15So it could be.
46:16Because she was telling the truth.
46:17What about sorry?
46:18Yes.
46:19But did you not tell me?
46:20Oh, come on, Wendy.
46:21You better than that.
46:22Wendy, you came out.
46:23You gave it large.
46:24What about sorry to this girl?
46:25I apologize.
46:26And I'm going to make a test.
46:27I'm going to make an appointment with the doctor.
46:28What about you, little man?
46:29What's your girlfriend going to say now?
46:30Hey, your boyfriend, my other baby.
46:31This isn't going to go down.
46:32I'm going to make a test.
46:33I'm going to make an appointment with the doctor.
46:34What about you, little man?
46:35What's your girlfriend going to say now?
46:36Hey, your boyfriend, my other baby.
46:37This isn't going to go down.
46:38Oh.
46:39You apologize.
46:40When you go down.
46:41You go down.
46:42You go down.
46:43I have a boyfriend, I have a baby here. This isn't gonna go down.
46:46Oh, ****. Are you apologising to that?
46:50Are you apologising to that?
46:51When you **** off a kid and she's standing in **** apologising too, you gotta ****
46:56and you wanna talk to that?
46:58Done, done, done. I don't wanna put this on my stage. Get that out of my building.
47:06Man, shout out, shout out, shout, shout out.
47:19Can I say-
47:29Can I-
47:30Shush, can I-
47:31Shush, shush. Hello, can I say something to you very calmly without anybody interrupting me.
47:34Interrupted me. I don't want to see or hear of those two vile creatures again. Get rid of her. I want her out of the building now
47:41What I believe you to be right you are big enough to accept that your son's
47:47Reaction yeah, it's not conducive to sorting out a solution here and his incredibly vocal girlfriend
47:54Undoubtedly wears the trousers although today. She's got a dress on this girl has a baby
48:00Yeah, I would love more than anything to put them together
48:02But you know the boss isn't going to allow that will you do me a favor right?
48:06Will you calm down?
48:07Will you with Graham and her sit and see if we can find some solution because this girl was not lying you were decent enough to
48:14Apologize there is a baby, and it's not going to be worked out with these two screaming and shouting
48:19That's all you stand with her and Graham. Yes. Is that all right with you?
48:21We'll ask you to go that way
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