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00:00Of those 53% of fans that will be in Seattle dibs, how many of them like Kyle Shanahan?
00:07Answer that for me.
00:09Of the 53%, what percentage of those 53% like Kyle Shanahan?
00:15I would say a fourth of the 53%.
00:18That's it?
00:19Yeah, I think so.
00:20Is that where we're at?
00:21Can we dim our toe in the water on this?
00:24We can, and I went low on purpose just because you were kind of leading me to that answer.
00:28You and I are cut from a little bit of a different cloth where we look at things in a bigger picture.
00:34And also, like what Mark Schlereth just said in our interview, if you cut Kyle Shanahan, if you cut ties with Kyle Shanahan,
00:42he's out there on the open market for about 30 seconds before somebody claims him.
00:47Well, and you know where I come from on this because we were even talking about Steve Kerr last week,
00:52and I kind of went off at the end because I'm just like, I just don't understand.
00:55And that's different because he's won championships, and I understand that.
00:59But I just don't understand when a coach comes in and has what I view is a very, very high level of success.
01:07Now, there's a different backdrop to all of these things.
01:10Steve has won four rings.
01:12I don't understand the disrespect.
01:14I don't get it.
01:15I don't understand why fans think that he's an idiot.
01:18And a lot of you, most of you don't, but some of you do.
01:21Some of you literally think he can't call a play, develop a player, just, he's just clueless.
01:27He's just out there smiling and clueless.
01:30Now, the Kyle thing's different because he hasn't won a ring.
01:33And then people will tuck his career record over his head, which I'd also argue is not fair because he took over the worst roster in football.
01:43Like, and that's actually the genesis of why I support Kyle so much.
01:47I don't understand why fans aren't more across the board thankful that this regime, it took you all, it took us all, from being the worst team in football to this.
02:04That's worth so much to me.
02:07They built this thing from what was, quite frankly, the worst era of 49er football of my life.
02:15My life.
02:16I'm 50.
02:17What was going on when Kyle and John got here was the worst football I've ever watched in the San Francisco Bay Area.
02:26Three years later, they're in a Super Bowl.
02:29And a lot of you are lined up to be like, joke artist, doesn't do good in big moments.
02:36What is that?
02:38I don't get it, but that's fine.
02:40Let's have a conversation about it because we tried like hell to put a voice to this.
02:45And maybe we're not the ones to put a voice to this because we both are fans of Kyle Shanahan.
02:52I'm a fan of Kyle.
02:53I don't think that he's coaching for his job this year.
02:56No.
02:57I hear that a lot.
02:57Y'all think he's on the hot seat or something, and he's not.
03:02So this is what we came up with.
03:03This is what we said to Sting.
03:05These are the five things that I hear the most from those of you who are not fans.
03:11You're not Shanna fans.
03:12And then we're going to play the baldinger cut for you so that we can kind of further this conversation.
03:19But line it up.
03:20I'd like to know if these ideas are, is this what you think?
03:25Or not?
03:26888-957-9570.
03:28The top five things that I hear people say about Kyle Shanahan that are on the negative side of the fence.
03:34Play calling is too conservative.
03:36Shrinks in big moments.
03:38Not a leader of men.
03:40Just a play caller.
03:41Never takes accountability.
03:44And thinks he can win with anyone.
03:46Slash arrogance.
03:48Does that kind of cover the bases?
03:50I think so.
03:51I think so.
03:52And the one that I would assign the most credibility to is the conservative play calling.
03:59Okay.
03:59And maybe that goes alongside of the shrinks in the big moments where, you know,
04:03you've got a chance to do something bold.
04:06And he tends to not do that.
04:09And, you know, whether it's a third and one call or fourth and two around midfield,
04:15and we're going to go ahead and punt it because we don't want to go for it.
04:18They went for fourth downs the third least amount of times last year.
04:22And I do think that that is part of the criticism.
04:26And I wonder about this year with Jake Moody, if that changes.
04:29If you, you know, find that Jake Moody is maybe not the kicker that you are hoping that he is in this moment,
04:35now you're going to be more aggressive.
04:36Or maybe you trot him out and hope he makes it.
04:39And if he doesn't, then you replace him.
04:41That would be the one that I would lean to the most.
04:44The whole idea of leader of men.
04:47And Steini and Guru had a fun little back and forth on this.
04:49And, you know, Guru was like, are you a leader of men?
04:52And Steini's like, no.
04:53Are you?
04:54And Guru was like, well, I got, you know, two black sons, and I've raised them to be great men.
04:59And, you know, they're not behind bars.
05:00And, you know, Guru took it to a place.
05:02And I was like, yeah, you know, as a father, you're definitely, you have to be a leader of men.
05:06You've got, you know, two men in your house and a young lady and two other ladies coming in your house.
05:12And so the whole idea of leader of men in the NFL, like, what does that really mean?
05:18Like, Dan Campbell, we're out there biting kneecaps.
05:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:21You know, Mike Tomlin, he's energetic.
05:23And is Sean McDermott not a leader of men because he just kind of quietly sits there with his hat on?
05:29I mean, there's just such different kinds of leadership, right?
05:32I mean, Dan Campbell is a great kind of poster for that whole, like, rah-rah leadership thing.
05:37Sirianni and McVay.
05:38But then there's Tony Dungy, who, like, wouldn't even swear.
05:43You know, but he led people to a certain place.
05:46Kyle Shanahan has led people to a certain place.
05:48He just hasn't won the fourth quarter of the last game.
05:51Right.
05:51That's always the thing that I kind of fire back about.
05:54I mean, at no point am I going to sit here and say, y'all are wrong because Kyle's perfect.
05:59Like, we can, I have no issue if someone wants to come in on a Monday and be like, like, what you just did.
06:04I didn't like that play call.
06:06Or I didn't like that Jake Moody's still on the team.
06:08I kind of don't.
06:10I don't really like that Jake Moody's still on the team.
06:12But that's the decision they made.
06:13But I go bigger picture.
06:16He brought you from crap to this.
06:19He clearly knows what he's doing.
06:20He clearly gets his players motivated and to do things.
06:24And I love what Baldinger brought up, which is a point that neither of us have made yet.
06:28Take a listen to this.
06:30This is from the Morning Rose today.
06:31And here's what Baldy said with regard to Niner fans who doubt Kyle Shanahan.
06:38I'd like to challenge any 49er fan out there that questions Kyle Shanahan, says, what other coaches would have done what he has done with Brock Purdy?
06:49Would you be an elite team, an elite offense, if Trey Lance didn't work out and you had to go to Brock Purdy?
06:57Would you have been able to do this?
06:59And then you go, Debo got paid.
07:01IU got paid.
07:02Like, everybody got paid in this offense.
07:05They've all benefited.
07:06And on defense, too.
07:08I don't know.
07:09Would Lenore have gotten paid?
07:11Would George Kittle have gotten paid twice if it wasn't for Kyle Shanahan?
07:16There's a reason why these guys have become the top of the leaderboard at their positions.
07:22So all those guys that I just mentioned, Aaron Banks, it got paid.
07:27Like, would have Aaron Banks been paid if somebody else was the coach of the 49ers?
07:32Probably not.
07:33Like, they've got eight or ten of the top players at their positions under Kyle Shanahan.
07:40Trent Williams has been paid three times.
07:42Washington gave up on him.
07:43You know, you just have to kind of look and scratch your head.
07:47Like, these guys, because they've been an elite team, they've gotten elite players have gotten paid.
07:54And so I question some of those people that question Kyle at this point.
08:00Okay.
08:01So there's that.
08:03And, again, what Baldy is saying is also big picture.
08:08And so I'd like to attempt to kind of like, I don't know, create that line.
08:12And it doesn't need to be a hard line or a sharpie or anything like that.
08:15But for me, that's where the discussion sometimes, I think, gets batted back and forth a little bit.
08:21For me, there's no issue whatsoever if on Monday mornings we all want to get together and be like,
08:28didn't like that play call, didn't like this situation, didn't like that draft pick.
08:34Okay, fine.
08:35But it feels like, on some occasions, we take that conversation to the big picture.
08:42Big picture.
08:44Okay, Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line.
08:47Not that long ago.
08:49Let me scroll to it because a lot of texts are coming in.
08:52I want to get the area code.
08:54Here we go, 408.
08:55Kyle and Kerr are not on the hot seat.
08:57But they should be.
08:59What?
09:01Like, that's, you're the fan I'm talking to.
09:05You're the fan Baldinger is talking to.
09:08You're the fan that Schlereth is talking to.
09:11And then someone on YouTube a short time ago, and this is an interesting way to react to it,
09:15says, you know, these national voices, they always like Kyle because the situation's very nuanced.
09:21So you need to be here in order to know why Kyle gets criticized.
09:27And I kind of threw out, I go, is it possible that we're the ones who don't understand the nuance
09:33considering that, for instance, Mark Schlereth has literally played for his dad,
09:39been in locker rooms with Kyle constantly, they've been coached by the Shanahan's,
09:44therefore they understand what they're trying to do out there,
09:47and can much better answer the questions of what goes on behind the scenes than you or I,
09:52or anybody listening could.
09:53Right, right.
09:54And I think, for me, that's a big part of it, where experts, Mark Schlereth, who's been in many
09:59locker rooms and he is working for TV, so he talks to these people in pre-games leading up to the
10:06games that he actually does TV for.
10:09So he has conversations that even you and I will never have behind the scenes, like background and
10:15analysis and these convos that is very rare for anybody in our business, let alone anywhere else.
10:21And the one thing I think about, about the whole idea of the hot seat with Kyle Shanahan,
10:27you don't sign a quarterback to that sort of a deal if you're thinking at all about changing the head coach.
10:34And it's even the same way with Steph Curry and Steve Kerr.
10:37You're not going to replace Steve Kerr until Steph Curry's gone, unless Steve Kerr wants to leave before that.
10:44So you give the quarterback $53 million a year for five years,
10:48you give the quarterback $265 million, when you do that, you do it thinking about
10:53Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan.
10:56It's not Brock Purdy and fill in the blank, because if you want to get rid of Kyle Shanahan
11:01this year, let's say they go 6-11 again and it's a bad year, okay, you want to get rid of
11:06Kyle Shanahan?
11:07Fine.
11:08Who are you going to bring in?
11:09You better bring in somebody who thinks Brock Purdy is a really good quarterback and somebody
11:14who can get the best out of Brock Purdy, like Kyle Shanahan has.
11:18So you're looking to bring in Kyle Shanahan.
11:21You're going to fire Kyle Shanahan to bring in Kyle Shanahan.
11:25Somebody who can make the most of your quarterback, because guess what?
11:29You can't just, all right, Brock, Kyle's gone, we're cutting you.
11:33All right, the dead cap is probably about $110 million.
11:36Hello?
11:37You're not doing that.
11:38Yep.
11:38So when you sign Brock, you're basically telling Kyle, and you're telling all of us,
11:43we like Kyle.
11:44We want Kyle here for at least two or three more years minimum, and that's the way I look
11:49at it.
11:50Does this help the conversation at all?
11:53Ted Wynn writes for The Athletic, and he did a piece that just happened to come out earlier
11:58this morning.
11:59And what he did was, is he wanted to put together a list of the top 10 offensive minds slash play
12:08callers in the NFL.
12:10To do that, he didn't do what so many of us in the media do.
12:14Let's get a round table together and yell at each other about it.
12:17That's not what Ted did.
12:18Instead, Ted decided to actually go to the defensive game planners in the league.
12:25He spoke to six, six defensive coordinators slash defensive coaches, and all he said to
12:31them was, hey, will you jot down a top 10 list of who's the hardest offensive mind against
12:41whom to game plan?
12:43Okay?
12:43So for you, you're getting ready for a game.
12:46Who's the toughest offensive mind to go against?
12:49Make a list one through 10, and then I'm going to grab all six lists, and I'll do an
12:54aggregation sensation.
12:56That's a buck.
12:57And I'll come up with a list of the top 10 based on what the six of you have said.
13:04And I'm bringing this up so you all damn well know where this is going.
13:07Where's it going, Mark?
13:08Number one.
13:09Number one.
13:10Kyle Shanahan.
13:13Here's a couple of quotes.
13:14Defensive coordinator in the NFC says, quote, they challenge all your rules.
13:20Obviously, 21 personnel, but whatever you try to do, they've always got an answer for
13:25it because they can align in anything out of that personnel.
13:29So if you don't go base defense and try to match them in nickel, then they've got all
13:34the answers.
13:34Or they can run it.
13:36And then if you do go base, you're really limited coverage-wise, and you always have to
13:40worry about the matchup on McCaffrey.
13:44Another coordinator says, he understands defense.
13:48He understands your rules, and he tries to manipulate your rules.
13:51Tries to flush hook guys out of the hook zone and throw in breakers.
13:56Lastly, he will look at everything about each defensive player.
14:00See where they're susceptible and just try to figure out where they can get a step.
14:05He finds a weakness as small as a linebacker's footwork.
14:09Those are the quotes from defensive coordinators around the league who ranked Kyle Shanahan
14:13number one, the hardest dude to go against in the league.
14:17And I love that in the breakdown, and I love when you talk 21 personnel to me because
14:21I did that.
14:22I appreciate that.
14:23And I got goosebumps, I'll be honest.
14:25And the season's about to start.
14:27We had Mark Schlereth, and you're talking 21 personnel.
14:30And this is kind of what I've always said about Kyle Shanahan.
14:33And Lorenzo Neal taught me so much about football and the whole idea of matchups.
14:37And when you have McCaffrey on the field, and you're a defensive coordinator, and you get
14:42into that defensive huddle, you don't know what he's going to do, where he'll break out
14:47of the huddle, in the slot, in the backfield, how they're going to use him.
14:51And so that breakdown right there tells me everything about why Kyle Shanahan is elite.
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