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00:00I mean, if Joe Burrow is still interested in actually playing football,
00:03which that we don't really know about.
00:05I mean, that is fair.
00:07I'm with Kurt, though.
00:08I got a hard time believing that the 29-year-old,
00:11who's super-duper really good at football, suddenly wants to leave.
00:14You know how old Andrew Luck was when he retired, right?
00:18And you know that that is still referenced at such a level
00:22because it's so rare.
00:24It's so shocking when someone does that.
00:26But if you want to look at the parallels between the two,
00:29they are striking.
00:31Andrew Luck was, I think he was the No. 1 overall pick.
00:34He sure was.
00:35Andrew Luck was among the top three or four quarterbacks in the game.
00:38Andrew Luck was 29.
00:40Andrew Luck was ravaged with injury.
00:43Check, check, check, check, check.
00:44Right, but that doesn't mean there are a lot of people who fit into that box
00:48and are not retiring.
00:50So I can't.
00:51I'm just saying that if you look at the parallels at age, at injury,
00:55at the level of sadness, and you're going to play it,
00:58but listen to the words, but also focus on, like, how sad he sounds.
01:03All right, so we'll actually play both Burrow and Andrew Luck when he retired.
01:07Oh, I love it.
01:08Okay, here's Joe.
01:09This is yesterday.
01:10Happy 29th birthday, Joe Burrow.
01:12This is how he spent it.
01:13You know, if I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it.
01:18You know, I've been through a lot, and if it's not fun,
01:20then what am I doing it for?
01:21So that's the mindset I'm trying to bring to the table.
01:24How much fun are you having right now?
01:26Is it difficult to have fun given the season,
01:29what you've been through physically, emotionally, all of it?
01:32Is it tough?
01:33Yes, certainly.
01:34Did you have fun playing?
01:35I mean, how much of it was fun before?
01:37Everything's always fun, but in general, was it as fun before you got hurt?
01:41Did you view it that way at least?
01:43No, I wouldn't say I viewed it that way, I think.
01:47What was the changing point?
01:48The changing point.
01:50I'm not sure there was a singular moment of time.
01:54It's just a reflection on a lot of things that I've done
01:58and been through in my career, I think.
02:00I've been through more than most,
02:02and it's certainly not easy on the brain or the body,
02:05so I'm just trying to have fun doing it again.
02:06If you seem like there's something on your mind,
02:10maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems frustrating.
02:14There's just a lot of things going on right now.
02:16A lot of things going on right now.
02:17Football-related, personally?
02:19All the above.
02:20I love that question.
02:21Joe, maybe I'm reading too much into it.
02:24You seem frustrated.
02:26You think, Bob?
02:27You think?
02:28Well, then they, you know, is it on the field?
02:30Is it off the field?
02:31It's all the above.
02:32It's both.
02:33It's everything right now.
02:34There's a lot.
02:34Yes.
02:35Listen, listen.
02:35Obviously, there's a risk with everything.
02:37I can't rule out what you're saying,
02:40but I think it's a hell of a lot less than likely.
02:43I think it is a much more plausible scenario
02:46that Joe Burrow is brimming with frustration
02:50because he's really good at football
02:53and his team really isn't.
02:56And it is woefully misconstructed.
02:59It just is.
03:01You can't.
03:02There's a reason.
03:03Like, the Niners really misplayed their receiver situation
03:06the last two years, but at least they knew.
03:08Well, that's the receiver position.
03:10You can get out of that a lot easier.
03:12Not really.
03:13They just did this.
03:14Well, they're 9-4.
03:15Right.
03:15But I'm saying, but the Bengals, right,
03:17they moved Debo Samuel.
03:20And Brandon Ayuk, they are removing him.
03:22Yep.
03:23The one thing they knew,
03:24we are not doing two $30 million receivers.
03:30And by the way, like, as laughable as the Niners thought it was
03:33to have Ayuk at 30 and Debo at 25,
03:36the Bengals have Jamar at 40.
03:39Mm-hmm.
03:39And T, I don't even have his number.
03:42He's somewhere in the neighborhood of 30.
03:43Yep.
03:44You're looking at 70 mil on receivers,
03:47and they just did it for both of them last offseason.
03:50Yet they won't keep Trey Hendrickson.
03:52They won't keep a pass rusher.
03:54They won't stop Joe from getting sacked.
03:56And he lasted one quarter this season.
04:00He lasted a game before he got knocked out again.
04:04And they're sucking again.
04:06They're losing again.
04:07Their organization is constructed poorly.
04:11Right.
04:12It's because they're the Cincinnati Bengals.
04:13And my guess is that is the central focus of his frustration.
04:18I don't know, Joe.
04:19I am Greg Cosell here.
04:20I'm not in his head.
04:22Yeah, sure.
04:22I'm not in his head either.
04:24But when I hear that, and you'll play the Andrew Luck here coming up in moments,
04:27and we can do a side-by-side comparison of, you know, when Andrew Luck retired,
04:33I don't recall him being that sad.
04:36I think he was just frustrated with his injury history and realizing that, hey,
04:41I'm 29, and I might want to do other things.
04:43And I'm thinking about what Kurt Warner said.
04:45And I was just looking at his last year in Arizona because his penultimate game,
04:50second to last, and he said it,
04:52that might have been the best game of my career.
04:54They put up 50-plus and won in overtime.
04:57Yeah, he's still slinging it.
04:58I mean, amazing game.
04:59And what an unbelievable wild-card showdown victory.
05:04And then you go out the next week, and you lose, and that's it.
05:07I'm retiring.
05:08And he was waiting for God to hit him with a 2x4, and it never happened.
05:12But he realized, you know what?
05:13I think I'm good.
05:14I never knew that Latrell Sprewell was God, but apparently here we are.
05:18Yeah, that was mean-spirited.
05:20No, I would.
05:21I don't think he ever hit anyone with a 2x4.
05:22Tried to.
05:23He choked a coach.
05:25I don't think he ever wielded lumber.
05:27Let's hear Andrew Luck.
05:29I'm going to retire.
05:30This is not an easy decision.
05:32Honestly, it's the hardest decision of my life.
05:34But it is the right decision for me.
05:36For the last four years or so, I've been in this cycle of injury, pain, rehab, injury,
05:42injury, pain, rehab.
05:43And it's been unceasing and relenting, unrelenting, both in-season and off-season.
05:51And I felt stuck in it.
05:52And the only way I see out is to no longer play football.
05:57It's taken my joy of this game away.
06:01And this...
06:03Sorry.
06:04Yeah.
06:05There's Andrew Luck.
06:05By the way...
06:06Joy!
06:07By the way, Latrell...
06:081995, Latrell Sprewell got into an argument with teammate Jerome Kersey and then returned
06:13to practice with a 2x4.
06:14Oh, there you go.
06:14I didn't recall that.
06:15Yeah, yeah.
06:16Latrell Sprewell.
06:17And I...
06:17If you're going to fight Jerome Kersey, you're going to need to bring a 2x4.
06:21Yeah, but anyway, that's what the reference was.
06:24The Andrew Luck, and I apologize to you for not remembering that, but Andrew Luck used
06:29a three-letter word that is very similar to the three-letter word that Joe Burrow used.
06:34And Joe Burrow talked about fun, and Andrew said, joy.
06:37I've lost the joy for the game.
06:40So that's what makes me think about the parallel.
06:42And I'm looking at Andrew Luck.
06:442016, he played all 15.
06:47He hurt his shoulder, missed the entire year, came back and played all 16.
06:50But, yeah, he had a long list of injuries.
06:54And, like, what he talked about, the cycle of, you know, rehab, get hurt, play, rehab,
07:00get hurt, play.
07:01It's brutal.
07:01I cannot rule out what you're saying.
07:04However, I do recall the last time an athlete stood in front of a podium and said,
07:11I've lost my joy.
07:12Andrew Luck's word.
07:14You know who that was?
07:15I think it was Kevin Durant.
07:16I'm going to go with Jimmy Butler.
07:17Okay.
07:18And what did Jimmy want?
07:19He wanted money.
07:21He wanted out.
07:22He wanted money.
07:23He wanted off of his team.
07:24But he wanted off his team because he wanted money.
07:26That's fine.
07:27I believe.
07:27That's fine.
07:28Whatever the reasoning behind the frustration is, to me, is kind of irrelevant in this moment.
07:33All I'm saying, while I can't rule out what you're saying, what I'm saying is it is much
07:38more likely that Joe Burrow, especially with an offseason ahead, is going to be fine with
07:44playing football.
07:45I just don't know if he wants to play for the Cincinnati Bengals anymore.
07:50And if we get there, like, obviously, we've got a staircase of hypotheticals here in this
07:55conversation.
07:56But this town has had no problem talking about Giannis for five years.
08:00So what's the problem here?
08:02It's kind of the same thing.
08:04You've got some smoke.
08:05Is there fire?
08:07We'll find out.
08:08A phenomenal player who basically looks around at what's going on in his organization and
08:13goes, I don't think this is going to work anymore, and this is starting to wear me out.
08:17And so we're expecting a Giannis trade demand.
08:20And this is step one for me in thinking that it may come from Joe Burrow, too.
08:24So that's where my comment, look, I don't think this is all going to happen.
08:28I love Brock Purdy.
08:29I think the Niners are thrilled with Brock Purdy.
08:31He hasn't even started his contract yet.
08:32But if this were to go down that road, and the Bengals will be looking for two things.
08:39First of all, an NFC team.
08:41Second of all, a team that can provide an established quarterback in return, who probably
08:46makes about the same money, will put the Niners on the list.
08:50And if they called the Niners and said, we think you might be a fit, boy, I'd listen.
08:54And I'd do Brock and two ones for Joe Burrow in a minute.
08:57I don't even know if that's what the Bengals would want.
09:00Well, you're going to want to get him out of the AFC.
09:01They always do.
09:03Fine, but if you're the Bengals, honestly, and you're going to trade your franchise quarterback,
09:07a top four quarterback that everybody talks about, for me, you're going to be looking
09:11to reboot.
09:12I don't think that you're looking for Brock Purdy.
09:14So you're going to go from Joe to Brock and pay basically the same money for a guy who's
09:19not as good as Joe Burrow, so you can continue to have the same problems as an organization?
09:25I've got 70 mil tied up in veteran receivers.
09:28I ain't starting over.
09:30Hell no.
09:31Well, I mean, maybe you look to move off of one of them as well.
09:36Difficult.
09:36Maybe you're not drafting a rookie, but maybe you're going a different route.
09:40Maybe you're going to go the Seattle route, which is you get a Sam Darnold, or maybe you
09:44trade for Mac Jones.
09:45That actually, if I'm Cincinnati, that makes a lot more sense.
09:49Oh, Mac Jones is a...
09:51As opposed to spending 52, 53 million a year on Brock Purdy, if you're going to get rid
09:55of Joe Burrow, you might as well save a bunch of money so that you can go out and get better
10:00because your big problem, if Burrow wants to play elsewhere, it's because your team's
10:04not good enough around him.
10:06What is Zach Taylor's background as a coach?
10:09You know all the coaching trees that are out there?
10:12Where does Zach Taylor come from?
10:17In fact, I'm reading about this right now.
10:19Zach Taylor has a pro style heavily influenced by the West Coast system, specifically started
10:28by Bill Walsh and Mike Shanahan.
10:31Yep.
10:32That's Zach Taylor's system.
10:33I think he was on the same Ram staff back when McVay was there.
10:38Then Brock Purdy's perfect.
10:40Brock Purdy's perfect.
10:41It's not about the quarterback.
10:42It's about the move you're going to make as a team.
10:45Well, but you're not going to get Mac Jones back.
10:47Then the Niners would have $250-something million.
10:49Well, you're not going to get a $53 million guy.
10:50Why not?
10:51Because...
10:52You already have one.
10:53Yes, and you like him.
10:54So if you're going to go from Burrow to Purdy, what's the point?
10:58You're getting worse, and your team is not going to be better around him.
11:01But that's the only choice you have.
11:04You're not getting that much worse.
11:06Yes, you're...
11:07Like, if a star demands a trade, you're going to get worse.
11:10That's how it works.
11:12Right, so if you're going to get worse, get a lot worse, and then get higher in the draft,
11:16and then you can get your rookie quarterback, and you can reboot it that way.
11:19And Jamar Chase loses his bananas.
11:22That's what I'm saying.
11:23Jamar Chase.
11:23I mean, if you're going to trade Joe Burrow, you're starting over anyway.
11:27I don't know about that.
11:27It's a reboot.
11:28I don't know.
11:29Remember, what did Jason Lockham for it tell us last time he talked to us?
11:33The Bengals are weird.
11:34They don't like making trades.
11:36They don't like it.
11:37Right, so then what are we even having this conversation for?
11:40If they get pinned into a corner, then they get pinned into a corner.
11:43They got pinned into a corner by their edge rusher, and then they didn't do anything,
11:46and now he's going to leave for nothing.
11:47He did not pin them in a corner.
11:49They reworked his deal, and they're going to agree to part ways.
11:53And get nothing for him.
11:54But if Joe Burrow says, I'm not coming, I'm not reporting to camp, what do you do?
12:01And you say, go hang out with Phillip Rivers, and we'll see you in five years.
12:05I think, again, we'll see if it goes this way.
12:07We're kind of more focused, I think, on sort of having fun with the mythical idea as opposed to,
12:15because we're not that far down the road yet of something like this actually happening.
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12:31Let's go to Jonathan in the city.
12:34Hi, Jonathan.
12:34Thanks for waiting.
12:35What's up?
12:37Hi, thanks for taking my phone call.
12:39Yeah, Brock Purdy in a couple first rounds.
12:42Go ahead and just do it.
12:44Because if this hypothetical becomes a reality, then there's no more question of,
12:50do we really have a franchise quarterback?
12:53Joe Burrow is a franchise quarterback, no doubt.
12:57And I would like to see that kind of a quarterback under the kind of Shanahan system,
13:02because what was clearly lacking the last two times they were in the Super Bowl,
13:09they couldn't make the downfield throw.
13:11You know, both Jimmy and Brock, they just can't do it.
13:16You know, all they needed to do is hit one or two of those,
13:20and they would have won at least one Super Bowl.
13:22So, and this guy, I've seen him in LSU and in Cincinnati,
13:28throw downfield throws, connect with no problem.
13:33Just, you know, it's so natural, because he's got a, you know, premier arm talent.
13:37I'm not saying it's a rocker arm, but it's a premier arm talent,
13:41and he knows how to play the position well.
13:45And, you know, Brock is good, but we're trying to be great here.
13:49You know, if that was a true possibility, yeah, go ahead and get it done,
13:56because, dude, we all win three so far.
13:59I'm so hungry to win another Super Bowl.
14:01Go Niners.
14:02Jonathan, thanks.
14:03I look at this more maybe conceptually than anything else,
14:08because we're not in a state of full reality yet with this situation.
14:13It just kind of became a thing starting 24 hours ago.
14:18And so everybody's just kind of starting to work with this.
14:20But I look at it more in terms of like Christian McCaffrey,
14:25like Rafael Devers, and like other situations that we've seen in the past.
14:29There are multiple ways to swing a deal in the NFL,
14:33and to me the absolute best trades that you make are not the ones where you're out in the streets
14:40kind of begging or knowing that you have to make a trade
14:44or stuck there because you're either at a positional need
14:48or you have a player that doesn't want to be there anymore.
14:51I love the deals that kind of happen in the middle of the night.
14:55You don't realize they're coming.
14:56Luka Doncic.
14:57Yeah, well, that one was really excessive.
14:59That one's one that we didn't see coming.
15:01Right, but the Lakers loved it, didn't they?
15:03You know what I mean?
15:04Like I love Rafi Devers coming to the Giants.
15:07I love Christian McCaffrey coming to the Niners
15:09because both of them felt like situations where you're like,
15:14we're okay with where we are right now,
15:17but opportunity suddenly knocked to get an elite player.
15:22So we went and did something that we weren't necessarily looking to do,
15:26but the opportunity was there.
15:29And if Joe asks off of the Bengals, to me,
15:33this is one of those situations for the whole league.
15:35It's an opportunity that knocks that you didn't see coming.
15:38If you're positioned to get in the conversation, you do.
15:41Yeah.
15:41He's that good.
15:42I would not, honestly.
15:44And, you know, you talked about the Rams trade going from Goff to Stafford.
15:48Similar deal.
15:49It worked out because Stafford won the Super Bowl,
15:51but if you want to look at who won the trade,
15:53well, that hasn't been decided yet.
15:55The Rams got Laporta and Jameer Gibbs and Jared Goff.
15:58And the Lions, yeah.
16:00Yeah, that's what I meant.
16:00And so the Lions were able to get three really good players
16:04for the one really good player.
16:06And, yeah, the Rams won the Super Bowl,
16:07but they also added a bunch of other pieces around Matthew Stafford
16:12to win that Super Bowl.
16:13So long-term, we'll see who actually, quote, won the deal.
16:16No doubt.
16:17But if you want to do a Joe Burrow trade,
16:19Goff, who's not as good as Joe Burrow,
16:20he commanded two firsts and a third, as well as the player swap.
16:25So you might be looking at three first-round picks
16:27or, you know, two firsts and a couple of seconds
16:30because Joe Burrow's that guy.
16:32Remember, but in this scenario,
16:34Joe Burrow would be kind of demanding something,
16:36which Matt Stafford really didn't.
16:38The Lions just kind of felt like it was at a spot
16:41where maybe the whole thing had expired
16:44and it wasn't working anymore.
16:46And I know that a lot of people...
16:47Well, the Rams had gotten to the point
16:48where they didn't want Jared Goff anymore.
16:49Correct, correct.
16:50But even that, it's not like they weren't...
16:52I mean, they had had some good years with him.
16:54They went to the Super Bowl.
16:56But both coaches, I think McVay felt like the Rams could improve
17:00and the Lions felt like things had kind of just come to an end
17:05with Matt Stafford, though they loved him
17:07and they wanted to put him somewhere else
17:09and they thought they could reboot the organization
17:11with all the assets they received.
17:13And by the way, they were right.
17:14I know everyone will go to that tote board
17:16and go, well, the Rams won the Super Bowl.
17:18Well, the Lions are way better than they were
17:20when Stafford was there.
17:21No doubt.
17:21They're now a winning organization.
17:23And they were in a spot where they were rebooting anyway.
17:25They just hired Dan Campbell.
17:27And the first year that Goff was there,
17:29the Lions were terrible.
17:30And then they used those picks, they got better,
17:32and they slowly have gotten to where they're now
17:34a legitimate threat.
17:36A contender, yeah.
17:36A contender.
17:36And obviously they...
17:38I mean, let's just admit this as Niner fans.
17:41They should have gone to the Super Bowl that year.
17:44They should have.
17:44And two years ago.
17:44Yeah.
17:45They had that game.
17:46No doubt.
17:47They had that game.
17:48And Dan Campbell, as fun as he is,
17:51and what a great culture changer he is,
17:53he still, in my opinion,
17:55has a long way to go as a game manager.
17:58This bravado,
17:59swaggering into every single possession,
18:02that thing that he does,
18:04I believe hurts him more than it helps him.
18:06And last year they got bit by the injury bug
18:09in such a crazy way
18:10that they were unable to really fulfill
18:13the promise that they had developed
18:15over the course of the regular season.
18:18So yeah, I mean, the Lions, long term,
18:20they might eventually be the ones to, quote,
18:22win the deal.
18:23Maybe.
18:23If Goff can get them there
18:24and get them over the hump.
18:25I don't think the Rams will ever feel like
18:26they lost the deal because they won a bowl.
18:28But Jeff and Marin, real quick.
18:30Hi, Jeff.
18:30What's up?
18:32Hey, guys.
18:33Thanks for taking my call.
18:34So I think you absolutely make the deal.
18:36And I'm saying that
18:37I think Purdy is actually very good.
18:40But I think Burrow is like, you know,
18:43one of these rare upper echelon quarterbacks.
18:46And as to, you know, your point that, well,
18:49if he really fit into the Shanahan system,
18:51you really don't think Shanahan can figure out
18:54how to utilize Burrow as your quarterback.
18:57Burrow is also, I think,
18:58going to attract other star players
19:00that are going to want to come to the Niners.
19:02And lastly, what do you think Sean McVay would do?
19:05Do you think Sean McVay might want to get
19:07in the Burrow Derby
19:08when he's got a 37-year-old Stafford?
19:10I'm thinking, yeah.
19:11No question.
19:12No question.
19:13And I'd rather have Burrow be with the Niners
19:14than going to the Rams
19:16and going, oh, crap, here we go again.
19:18They've got a premier quarterback with the Rams
19:20and not us.
19:21Or if the Cardinals
19:23or anybody wanted to get in on this,
19:25it can create a problem.
19:26Jeff, thanks.
19:27Yeah, like, that's an interesting way to put it.
19:29If you don't think that Joe Burrow
19:31would fit with a Kyle Shanahan system,
19:33then what are you saying about Kyle Shanahan?
19:35Like, only a bad coach
19:37cannot work with Joe Burrow.
19:38What I'm saying is that
19:39you've got a running back
19:40that you throw the ball to a ton
19:42and you've got a tight end.
19:43You don't have any good wide receivers.
19:45And you can say Ricky Pearsall all you want.
19:48He hasn't shown really that much
19:50as a professional football player.
19:53If you're Joe Burrow,
19:54you'd much rather be with L.A.
19:56and throw to Puka Nakua
19:57and Devontae Adams?
19:58That may be the case,
20:00but at the same time,
20:01like, to me,
20:01a great quarterback makes the receivers.
20:03Who the hell's Drake May
20:04throwing to this year?
20:06I mean, I thought Brock Purdy
20:07was this great quarterback.
20:08He is.
20:09He's not making the receivers.
20:11They're 9-4.
20:12Because of Christian McCaffrey.
20:13They've been in and out of the lineup.
20:15And yes, that is...
20:15And Jawan Jennings.
20:16And Brock Purdy's been...
20:17He's a wide receiver 3.
20:17And Purdy's been in and out of the lineup.
20:19Exactly.
20:20This is a bad year for that example.
20:21It just doesn't work
20:22based on all the in and out of the lineup.
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