The snydercut and hollywoods big problem with directors

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00:00I

00:05Spent a lot of time trying to divide us. I need to bring us together

00:13Make this right

00:15Hey guys, welcome back to Nepears. Once again, this is your host, Negever. Today we're going to be doing a

00:34bit of a discussion on a topic that I think is

00:40probably has to be like the second biggest

00:43Problem when it comes to Hollywood

00:45I'll get to the first problem, but this one is probably more

00:52Important from my perspective because it directly impacts how the movies are being made

00:59and that has to do with

01:01the

01:03directors, you know cuts and

01:05Hollywood's incentive to you know follow this sort of like

01:10out if you put it it's like a cookie cutter

01:14formulaic

01:16sort of

01:17approach to making films

01:20rather than

01:21allowing the directors their

01:23chance to experiment or you know

01:26test out stuff and do things differently

01:29one of the biggest examples of this is

01:32The recent case that's ongoing is the

01:35Snyder Cut as it

01:36fans are called the

01:38director's cut of Justice League which is actually set to come out

01:43at the end of this month actually

01:44right

01:45so it's right around the corner

01:47thinking about it

01:48I've been following that since

01:50since 2016 right

01:52all the way into when the

01:55film theatrically released

01:57back in 2017 and then realizing how much

02:00they screwed it over

02:02you know you had fans started their whole

02:04petition

02:06it started from the petition and

02:08from there it started going all the way up to

02:12sending mails to Warner Brothers

02:16just starting a website starting a

02:19GoFundMe sort of stuff

02:21it's a whole big situation that actually

02:24supersedes the actual movie itself

02:27the whole production of that movie

02:28and that is just one scenario

02:32the whole

02:33incident with the Snyder Cut

02:34and you know the Justice League

02:38stuff being blasted out and written down

02:42with a placement

02:44directors and writer

02:46that is just one example right

02:48you can point at dozens of examples

02:51that get surfaced in Hollywood

02:54where directors who you wouldn't actually

02:58expect to have their film

03:01downed downed and forced the

03:05dear cut of the film

03:06you know that it's filmed

03:08it's in edited but

03:11it was me editing specifically

03:14to meet the studio demands

03:17right and I think some of the

03:19most notable cases would have to be

03:22the Superman 2 from 1980

03:27you remember the first Superman from

03:29Richard Donnell he actually filmed

03:32one and two back to back at the same

03:35time and the first one being as

03:37successful as it was

03:39the second one was still in the

03:41process of you know

03:43filming and editing and whatnot

03:45but apparently due to some sort of

03:47like disagreements creative

03:49differences whatever

03:50Richard Donnell he got back

03:52from the part two and they had

03:54some article called Leicester

03:56of it and while he did

03:59picked up from Richard Donnell

04:00that top he ended up doing

04:01his own thing into it and

04:04then he got to do

04:07now what happened there with that film

04:09is that took them 20 years to

04:12realize that even though

04:14Superman 2 was good

04:15there are still people who want to

04:18see the original direct resolution

04:20from that and five years after that

04:24you had Warner Bros. talking about

04:26releasing Superman 2

04:28director's cut as an actual

04:33cut being released

04:34and then you know in 2006

04:36you had the director's cut of

04:37Superman 2 release

04:40and it did well

04:42fans like it although the big

04:44problem with that is the director

04:47didn't get to you know

04:49do all the stuff so he had

04:51no choice but to use some of the

04:54scenes that left the film in

04:55Superman 2

04:57why because you know

04:58how wild that was and

05:00all the circumstances back then

05:02another good example is one

05:04from Ridley Scott

05:06who apparently seems to be

05:08the only director

05:11that I can think of other than

05:12Zack Snyder that has

05:14multiple directors cut of his movies

05:17like seriously

05:19his most notable film under

05:21Ridley Scott is

05:22Blade Runner

05:23obviously and Nam

05:24while that has been a game

05:26change for the genre and

05:29movie horror

05:30it wasn't exactly quite

05:33the vision that

05:34Ridley Scott had in mind of the movie

05:37I mean it's still his movie but

05:39his cut of the movie

05:41didn't actually see later

05:43there until like several

05:46many years there

05:47just like with Superman 2

05:50you had to wait like

05:5120 something years

05:52all the way up to 2007

05:54that was when the

05:56the cut of Blade Runner

05:58the actual Ridley Scott

06:01cut of the film

06:02was seen another day

06:04while that isn't as

06:05significant of a

06:07difference as what you know

06:10these other examples

06:11it actually is something

06:12worth noting

06:13you know because look at someone

06:15as high profile as Ridley Scott

06:16right

06:17he's been in the

06:19in the film business since

06:21I'd say

06:24almost 60 years now

06:26and even he

06:28on his most

06:30notable

06:31culturally

06:32influenced movie

06:33even that also had

06:36and all his struggles to get

06:38his own

06:39own

06:40cut of the film out

06:42to actually had

06:43creative and editing control

06:46another

06:47good example

06:49goes back to

06:51another one of scenarios

06:53Jack Snyder's movie is

06:55Watchmen

06:56although Watchmen was

06:57sort of a polarized movie

07:00at the time it came out

07:02there was a

07:03a bit of a while after that

07:04you got the

07:06Watchmen

07:07um

07:08there was two of them

07:09there was the Watchmen

07:11standing and then the

07:12director's cut

07:13and

07:14those added in some more scenes

07:16but most notably it added also

07:18the

07:19this animation stuff

07:21that allowed it to

07:23basically go well past the

07:24two hour mark

07:26but it made it

07:28more completed

07:29from a director's

07:31one of you

07:33and

07:34while it was much longer

07:37fans was more satisfied

07:39seeing all of the more

07:40complete stuff that was

07:42put in in the film

07:45and then there's also

07:47Batman versus Superman

07:49they know they're probably

07:50the biggest polarizing

07:52situation since

07:54probably in history right

07:55from the same

07:56director

07:56Zack Snyder

07:57right

07:58he's probably like

07:59the more David Lee Scott

08:00at this point

08:01given how much of his work

08:02needs to be like

08:03formatted down

08:05to go with the audience

08:06and then how much time

08:07you have to have him

08:08get his own cut of the movie

08:10now

08:11BVS

08:12we've seen how that was

08:13when it came out

08:14people really hated it

08:16and whatnot right

08:18then a while after

08:19when the DVD cycle came out

08:22they had the ultimate edition

08:23which is actually

08:24first of all

08:25was aerated

08:26when it didn't need

08:27to be aerated

08:28from my opinion

08:29there wasn't really

08:30anything adult-ish in it

08:31but it was still aerated

08:33and it had like

08:33as much as

08:3431 minutes of footage

08:36so that was also

08:37over three hours

08:38but it actually made

08:39the film make sense

08:41to say

08:42you know

08:43things happen

08:44that wasn't making sense

08:45and it actually

08:46ended up making sense

08:47when you watch

08:47the ultimate edition

08:49and then it was so much

08:51of a drastic difference

08:52that a lot of people

08:53who criticize

08:54Zack Snyder on BVS

08:56ended up coming back

08:57to apologize to him

08:59after watching

09:00the ultimate edition

09:01that's one of the

09:02the most important

09:03things to note

09:04that a lot of times

09:05when you know

09:07these films come out

09:08and people

09:09they don't like it

09:10or it gets really

09:12polarized

09:13or upset the fan base

09:15or whatever

09:16and then you have

09:16them complaining

09:19lashing out

09:19at the director

09:20or the writer

09:22there are

09:22some instances

09:23where it might not

09:24even be entirely

09:25their fault

09:26you know

09:27and these examples

09:29that i have pointed out

09:29these are probably still

09:31only the most

09:34notable examples

09:35right

09:36there's plenty more

09:37examples outside of this

09:39that

09:41probably doesn't even

09:41see the light of day

09:42like for example

09:44schumacher cut

09:45of 1995's

09:47batman

09:47which is

09:48already has its own

09:50hashtag

09:51in order to

09:53see the light of day

09:53although i highly

09:54doubt that's gonna happen

09:56given the fact that

09:57joe schumacher is

09:59no longer here

10:01but i don't know

10:02strange things have happened

10:03so i guess i'll wait and see

10:04then there's also the

10:06fact that suicide squad

10:08also has its own

10:09director's cut

10:11that's supposed to

10:13have come out

10:14it's still in the wraps

10:16for now

10:17but it probably might

10:18come out soon

10:19i don't know

10:19the main thing to look at

10:21is

10:21when you look up on

10:22all these stuff

10:23right

10:23when it comes to

10:25director scott and

10:26hollywood and how they operate

10:27it's

10:28a glaring

10:30problem when you

10:32realize

10:33like how much

10:35you know

10:35hollywood is willing to go

10:37like these producers

10:40these executives

10:41how far they willing to go

10:43to ruin their own product

10:45you know

10:47that they have hired people

10:49to come and create for them

10:51right like

10:52in the case of the justice league movie

10:55that film started production

10:57at a pretty bad timing

10:59right

10:59first of all let's just start off

11:01with the timing

11:02it was set to start production

11:04right after bvso's release

11:06because they wanted to

11:07catch up with marvel

11:08right

11:09they wanted to

11:10be ready for whatever

11:11marvel's coming out

11:12and

11:13well some can understand

11:14that it's still a

11:15bad take because they were

11:17rushing everything

11:18and

11:19they didn't let anything

11:21slow down to get time to

11:24find a perspective on

11:25what they

11:27need to focus on

11:28so they just went right into it

11:30and

11:31by the time justice league

11:32was in production

11:33the producers and executives

11:35were like

11:36this is probably not going to work out

11:38well

11:38the director get

11:39got to film most of the movie

11:41probably enough for like

11:43even a sequel too

11:45he didn't complete everything

11:47right

11:47and a year later you know

11:49there was already talks about

11:51trying to get more of the project

11:53having a screening with other directors

11:55to find out what could be done

11:57and

11:57you know then there was this whole scenario

11:59with

12:00the director's daughter committed suicide

12:03and he had to step down

12:05to deal with that personal

12:08problem

12:09now that i'll get to in a minute

12:10but from that

12:12he

12:13announced

12:14third departure

12:16a while after that

12:17and then he heard that the

12:19song is about

12:20jasmine coming in

12:22right

12:23and then the film was

12:25being adjusted

12:27all this other

12:28stuff

12:29you know the one time

12:31went straight to two hours

12:33mandated

12:33but it came straight from the

12:35ceo at the time

12:38then there's a fact that this

12:39composer changed

12:40to dan elfman

12:41the original composers

12:43john dxl

12:44who by the way

12:45he just dropped his piece

12:47for the um

12:48director's cut

12:50it sounds pretty familiar

12:52you know

12:52but i'm back to the timeline

12:55you had dan elfman scoring

12:57the justice league

12:59and then you saw when it come out

13:01you saw the whole result

13:02from

13:03that 2017 justice league

13:05from what they were doing

13:07right

13:08and there's a whole lot of other stuff

13:09here

13:10that you can dwell

13:11to dive into

13:12but i'm not really going to

13:13go all the way into that

13:14because that could probably make

13:16this video

13:17over an hour long

13:18and i don't really have the time

13:21or the storage space to

13:23go into all that

13:24right

13:24i'm just going to link to you

13:26the website

13:27that basically covers all that

13:29stuff about this

13:30nether cut

13:31and the whole time

13:32right

13:33when it comes to this whole situation

13:35when you look into it

13:36you'd realize it's more than just

13:40getting

13:41the director's

13:43version of

13:45a movie

13:47right

13:47it's

13:48it has a lot more than that

13:50on the table

13:51when it comes to this

13:53director's cut that's

13:55coming out soon

13:57first being

13:58that it's

13:59a wake-up call to

14:01hollywood

14:02that it's not

14:04okay to just

14:06scramble on a director's

14:07vision for a film

14:11especially when you're paying them

14:12and exorbitant amount of money

14:14and all the stuff that's putting in place

14:17for at least other people

14:19to work on a movie

14:20it's not just the director at that point

14:23when you look at

14:24a movie that has a

14:26300 million dollar investment into it

14:29and you have like these

14:31cinematographers

14:32these

14:33kamaku

14:34these actors

14:36stuntmen

14:37and even the vfx

14:38couldn't all stop

14:39it's

14:40a culmination of

14:42a bunch of

14:44creators

14:44visions being

14:46meshed together

14:47to create one

14:49big

14:49i would say one

14:50big painting

14:52if i had to

14:53describe it

14:54and when you

14:55interfere with that

14:56you're basically

14:57smudging a painting

14:59yeah like when

15:00that happens

15:01it's a big wake-up call to that

15:03with this

15:04then there's the fact that

15:05the directors

15:07thought they committed suicide

15:08right so

15:09you also have a

15:11personal issue

15:12that's being

15:13brought up here

15:15they

15:16the first of all

15:16the fan base

15:17they already did

15:19manage to put up

15:20a huge

15:23donation

15:24charity work

15:25raising charity

15:26for suicide prevention

15:28so

15:29you have a pretty

15:30good cause that's been

15:32coming out a little bit

15:33as well

15:35then there's also

15:36the fact that

15:36zack snyder's

15:37filmography by itself

15:39isn't really

15:41what one would say

15:42a favorable

15:45resume

15:47you know

15:47he's been in

15:48the game since

15:49time of death

15:50from 2003

15:51which was a pretty

15:52decent

15:53t-bot

15:54following that

15:55he's had

15:56300

15:57is probably his

15:57biggest accomplishment

15:59and then

15:59a bit of a

16:00ups and down

16:01from watchmen

16:02to

16:02manacil

16:03and then

16:03more recently

16:04now

16:05so

16:06this is also

16:07a pretty much

16:08his comeback

16:09then there's also

16:10the fact that

16:11should

16:12hollywood spend

16:14more money

16:15on director's cut

16:16because

16:17when it comes to

16:17this whole situation

16:18with the

16:19justice league

16:20director's cut

16:21they had to

16:22spend money to

16:22finish a film

16:24because

16:24you know

16:25the vfx

16:26and then there's

16:27the fact that

16:28they had to

16:28film some

16:29additional scenes

16:30that the director

16:31did not get a

16:32chance to film

16:32back in 2016

16:34where the majority

16:35of his film's

16:36production was

16:37taking place

16:38there's so much

16:39being written

16:40on this

16:41that it's

16:43no longer

16:43just about

16:45the justice league

16:47movie

16:48it's more so

16:49about

16:50how hollywood

16:51should be

16:52conducting themselves

16:53in terms of like

16:54filmmaking

16:55how

16:56whether

16:57this should be

16:57allowed

16:58allowing

16:59directors more

17:00creative freedom

17:01with these

17:01big productions

17:03this is a

17:05a big

17:05wake-up call

17:06probably a

17:07a answer to

17:08all of that

17:09right

17:10if this director's cut

17:12turns out to be

17:13a big success

17:14and

17:15there's

17:15the indication

17:16that it probably

17:17might be

17:18given what we're

17:19seeing

17:20from the trailers

17:21it could

17:22it's going to be

17:22pretty good

17:24if it turns out

17:26to win over everyone

17:28this is going to

17:28incentivize a huge

17:30domino effect in

17:31hollywood

17:32to go back

17:35and take a look at

17:36see

17:36okay

17:37suicide squad also has

17:39a director's cut somewhere

17:41needs a little bit of

17:42polishing and releasing

17:44you can probably do that

17:45then there's probably some

17:48of those marvel movies

17:50because you know for a fact

17:51just by watching the

17:52marvel movies

17:53they are by no means

17:54director driven

17:56all right a good example of

17:57that is age of

17:58ultran which was

17:59pretty much the nail in the

18:02coffin for joss

18:02sweden

18:03his career

18:05although some people say his

18:07input on

18:08the 2017 justice league was his

18:11nail in the coffin

18:12not say it was more of the

18:14age of ultran

18:17he has a director's cut for

18:18that somewhere

18:19it just wasn't any incentive

18:21to bring it out because he

18:23just left them

18:24you know after that film came

18:25out

18:26all that could be up in the

18:28air

18:29and probably um even the

18:321995 batman joshua marcus cut

18:35but on the flip side if the

18:39director's cut of justice league

18:41turns out to be

18:43a disappointment

18:46and in just on a

18:48hypothetical speaking right

18:50there's nothing definitive here

18:51because it hasn't come out yet

18:53but if it turns out to be a

18:56letdown

18:57that could probably

18:59be a

19:01huge blow to

19:03the creative process and

19:04director's cut and a

19:06you know incentive to

19:07Hollywood to just pretty much

19:11yeah do continue doing the

19:12shit that they're doing and not

19:14allowing directors their

19:16fear shake you know at um

19:18how they should

19:20make the films

19:21why not they should have

19:23more control in terms of like

19:25writing

19:26they're editing it as well

19:27because most of it is going down

19:29to the editing room

19:30and you know what

19:32is left in the film and what's

19:33getting taken out

19:35so yeah guys

19:35i might be looking at a

19:37tipping point here for

19:38Hollywood and the new movie

19:40industry

19:41even probably for

19:42tv shows and cartoons as well

19:44you know

19:45this whole situation could very

19:47much be a

19:49reversal on

19:50and a rejection on that whole

19:53machine

19:54controlled

19:56aspect of

19:58releasing movies that

20:00fit in the same

20:02similar

20:03pattern style

20:05you know trying to copy the

20:07same thing

20:07because they want to like

20:09appeal to the same people

20:11you know this could pretty much

20:12upset that and change it and

20:14probably lead to more

20:15unorthodox styles being

20:18the norm

20:19the only place where you can

20:20see that is on netflix and

20:22netflix is already going the way

20:24of controlled aspects

20:26you know the mainstream other

20:29hollywood businesses are going in

20:31so yeah

20:33there's a lot here on the table

20:35right guys

20:36like i said earlier i can go

20:37either or

20:39right and

20:40it's more so

20:42than just

20:43one movie at this point

20:45that's the main thing people need

20:46to know

20:47from my perspective i think it's

20:49probably going to

20:51turn out um okay

20:54that's pretty much my thoughts on it

20:56but let me know in the comment

20:57section number what you guys think

20:59about this whole situation

21:02director's cuts and extended cuts

21:04whatever

21:05films and then the snide cut

21:07are you guys looking forward to

21:09director's cut of justice league

21:10what are your thoughts on

21:12director's cut in general

21:13all right do you think it's a big

21:16problem in hollywood

21:17or it's just something that's been

21:20over exaggerated

21:21all right be sure to let me know in

21:22the comment section down below and be

21:23sure to check out my

21:24other videos and i guess i'll see you

21:25guys

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