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00:00If it's one or zero, yeah. That's the scenario where I see one and done being in play because
00:05it's maybe hard for Woody Johnson to look at the paying customers and say we're running it back if
00:11it's one win or zero wins. Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's
00:17our Jets beat writer Brian Costello. Today is Monday, October 20th. The Jets have started the
00:21season 0-7 after an ugly loss against the Carolina Panthers on Sunday and we're here to break it down
00:26with Mr. Costello. We're going to talk about Justin Fields, him being benched, Tyrod Taylor getting
00:30in the game, Aaron Glenn's comments today about the quarterback situation being uncertain. We're
00:35going to break it all down on today's episode, but before we get to any of that, as always,
00:39Kaz, how are you doing today, sir? I'm good, Ryan. Today's my wedding anniversary. Hey,
00:44congratulations. Thank you. 23 years. Wow. How does that make you feel? 23 years. I was 10 years old.
00:53I know I'm old already. I know I'm old. No, that's awesome, man. 23 years. That's something
01:00to be proud of. Um, and, and look, I'm sure you, uh, get to come home and enjoy your home and enjoy
01:07being with your family, even though it's a, it's a, it's a tough watch, you know, this job that you
01:12have right now to go watch this football team and cover it. Um, I'm sure there's a nice little bit of
01:17peace at home for you. Yes. Yeah. Well, my, the problem was my eyes were bleeding yesterday when
01:22I got home. So that was, you know, from watching that football game, but yeah, you're right. It's
01:27always nice to come home after that. It is, it is. Um, look, I, I want to start with the quarterback
01:33position and I got to start with, you know, you would ask Glenn after the game in London about
01:40the quarterback change and if it needed to happen and he called it a ridiculous question and be
01:45better. And he immediately goes in the middle of the game, seeing that fields was struggling in the
01:51third quarter to go to tie rod. I just, I want to understand your perspective on this with Aaron
01:59Glenn and how he's going about being the head coach and pulling the trigger there in the third
02:05quarter, but also in the same time, understanding like week to week, you can't say one thing and
02:10then go about it a different way the following week. Yeah. I mean, number one, I don't think the
02:17press conference mattered. Um, you know, that much I, he made the right decision yesterday. He,
02:22he pulled the quarterback at halftime, you know, I think in London, he was trying to defend his guy
02:27and he was trying to, and I think he went a little too far. Um, just attacking the question wasn't
02:32smart because anyone who watched that game minus 10 passing yards was wondering whether you should
02:37change a quarterback. And I think he has to understand that. And I think it would have been
02:40fine if he came out and said, I understand the question. He didn't play well today, but he's my
02:44guy. We're sticking with him. We believe in him. He's going to play great next week. And I think if
02:49he said that nobody would have blinked, you know, they might not may have disagreed with him, but I
02:53think it would have been okay. I think it was just kind of attacking the question drew a lot of
02:56attention to it, but yeah, like he made the right decision yesterday. I think watching those first two
03:01quarters, uh, there probably wasn't anybody outside of Justin Fields family that was saying
03:06stick with him for the second half. So he did the right thing. Give him credit. Um, he's been
03:11getting a lot of criticism, but I thought, you know, I don't think yesterday was on him in terms of
03:16game management or anything. I think, I think he did the right stuff, the right thing there. Um,
03:19Tyra just wasn't the answer in the second half. No, he certainly wasn't. Uh, and look,
03:25two interceptions were not pretty, uh, both balls under thrown on guys. You could have argued who were
03:29open, uh, and could have, could have made the play. Um, I just, I guess for you hearing Aaron
03:36Glenn's comments today about, Hey, he still has to make that decision. Where do the jets go with
03:42the quarterback position next week against the Bengals? Yeah, I wrote today. I mean, to me,
03:48this is, there's no good options. This is like broccoli or cauliflower. Is it, you know, that's the
03:53choice here to me. Like I, I get that Tyrod has some appeal and stuff, but he's a backup quarterback
03:59for a reason and he's a good backup quarterback, but a good backup quarterback is a guy you hope
04:04only plays three or four games when your start is hurt. It's not somebody you want taken over
04:07mid season. He's not the future. You know, this isn't a Jackson dart situation where even if he,
04:13you know, plays poorly, you're still getting hope for the future. So it's a bad situation. Um, I,
04:19I personally would probably go with Tyrod. I just think fields need some time to clear his head.
04:23He just looks like he's a mess mentally right now to me. And, uh, nothing really is functioning
04:30with him on the field. I thought the offense in the second half with Taylor had some good moments.
04:35He had, he has a couple of long throws there to Tyler Johnson. They moved the ball. Um, the first
04:41drive, you know, they moved the ball a little bit. And then when he, even when he came in the first
04:45half, when Tyrod had, that was being checked for a concussion, he got down there in the red zone.
04:49Yep. They, he converted a third down and they got flagged for an, um, illegal motion. I believe
04:55it was a legal shift. So that wipe that out and they ended up kicking the field goal. But, uh,
05:01to me, the offense looks better with Tyrod. It doesn't look good. It looks better. So I would,
05:06I would go with Tyrod against Cincinnati. Yeah. Look, there's a lot of questions about what this
05:10offense has, has produced thus far this season. Uh, ever since this dealers game, you know,
05:16it's been one offensive touchdown scored in the first three quarters of the last six
05:22games. Uh, everything else, it's incredible. And zero in the last two games total. Uh, what's
05:28funny though, Ryan, as I just looked up like stretches like that, and we've actually lived
05:32through a bunch of them recently. They're not as rare as you think. Like there was a stretch
05:36in 2023 with Zach. If you remember in the middle of the year where they weren't scoring, I think
05:41that's when they went to Tim Boyle. There was a stretch end of 2022. They didn't score any
05:45touchdowns in the final three games. Uh, Jacksonville, Seattle, and Miami, which was, I think
05:51Mike White started one of those games. Flacco started one of those games. I think Zach started
05:55one of those games. So like it's been some just awful, awful offensive football in the last,
06:02I don't know how many years. Well, this goes back to the decision-making of Glenn and Mugi
06:07to go with this quarterback room into the off season. Right. So this was something I think
06:13you had brought up a bunch in the off season about look, Justin Fields. We've seen what he's
06:18done in his career. A lot of people said he struggles to process the field, holds the ball
06:23too long, takes a lot of sacks. And there's a reason why he's on his third team in three years.
06:27Right. But they gave him $40 million to say, we believe in you. And we're going to make a
06:32reclamation project out of you. Like other teams that done with Baker and Sam and whatever.
06:36I, my, my issue is, is, and I understand this is revisionist history. Cause
06:42you took a re a defensive minded rookie head coach and you chose to have him be total keys
06:49of the kingdom. He's choosing who his quarterback is. And he chose Justin Fields and kept Tyrod
06:54Taylor. Didn't draft a quarterback. Went with an undrafted rookie and Brady cook to finish out
07:00the room. And then you have a rookie offensive coordinator, someone that hasn't done the play
07:04calling before all of these pieces put together. I think you and others are called like, this can
07:09be a real disaster for the jets. If that's the way they're going to go about this. And that's how
07:14it's played out right now. And I guess I, I have to say, I'm the clown, right? Who thought that this
07:19could actually work out, put the paint on my face. But in, in realistic terms, when you're looking at
07:24this, what did you expect? This is what it was. And, and for them to say fields, Tyrod Garrett
07:32Wilson, and nobody else in the wide receiver room. And they didn't address that in the off season.
07:37You put yourself in a bind here. So are you shocked or should I say, this is more what you
07:44expected to happen this season? I didn't think it would be this bad. Um, you hit on a bunch of
07:51different things there. Let me kind of start one by one. I think if you go back to when they signed
07:57fields, um, and I know I called it this and others call it this, they call it a lottery ticket. It was
08:02a lottery ticket, right? So I don't know if you played a lottery at all, Ryan, if you have anyone
08:06in your family plays a lot, it's a lot of money. That's what I do. You know, like a lot, a lot.
08:10How many times have you, how many times do you want? Oh, zero. Yeah. That's most people,
08:15right? I think most people will one zero. So when you buy a lottery ticket, the odds are highly
08:20against you winning. Right. And I think that's what Justin Fields was, is he was a lottery ticket
08:24and you know, the Buccaneers hit on Baker Mayfield. Right. And he was a lottery ticket at that time.
08:30No, no, I don't think anyone saw him doing what he's doing now in Tampa Bay. Right. So that it
08:35was a similar situation and, um, it hasn't worked and it's a bust, but, and I think if you want to
08:42start nitpicking the $30 million guaranteed is where I'm kind of like, wow, like that's a lot of money
08:48they gave him to, to not be sure what you were getting. And so that, that's the part. I think
08:54if you're Woody Johnson right now, you're going, Hey guys, we're really like, we need to spend $30
08:59million on this guy. He can't play, but he is who we thought he was. We, you know, who we thought
09:03he was, you know, he's, he's slow processing, get takes a lot of sacks. I thought he'd be better
09:08running the ball. Uh, that has, that hasn't happened. I'm not sure if it's cause he's injured or what,
09:13but he, that hasn't worked. Um, you know, and then the receiver decision is awful. And that's
09:20one that we were calling out forever. And everyone who watches the jets was saying they
09:26need a second receiver. They need a second receiver. It's feels like I lived a couple of
09:30these. I think in 2021, we were all saying they need a veteran backup quarterback with
09:35Zach and they, they need that. And they didn't do that. Then, then they ended up trading for
09:38Flacco mid season, uh, back in 2014, we were all screaming. They needed to sign a
09:44cornerback. They need to sign a cornerback and they didn't sign a cornerback. It killed
09:47their whole season. So it's weird. Like I generally think these people know more about
09:53football than I do, but sometimes you wonder because like some of this stuff looks so obvious
09:59and they just don't do it. And I think it comes from arrogance. And I think the fields
10:02thing, I think there was a lot of arrogance with the fields thing. It was, I heard a lot
10:06of, well, we're going to coach him differently than he's ever been coached. And we're going
10:09to cater to his strengths. And, you know, I think that's insulting to the people in Chicago
10:14and Pittsburgh who like, especially the people in Pittsburgh have won a lot of games and are
10:19good coaching staff. So, but that was kind of what we heard is like, ah, like they didn't
10:24use them properly. And, you know, uh, we talked about this all summer, Ryan, like the idea
10:29of we're going to run the ball. We're going to run the ball. We're going to run the ball.
10:31It sounds great. And yes, the Philadelphia Eagles have done it spectacularly, but the
10:38Philadelphia Eagles also have AJ Brown and Devontae Smith out there to help. And they have the
10:43best offensive line in football. And so like, I don't know, I just think putting all your
10:47eggs in that basket was risky and it's, it's kind of blown up on them because now they can't
10:51run the ball because everyone's stacking the box because they can't throw the ball. So yeah,
10:55it's, it's a, it's a, it's a bad, bad, bad situation. It's it. That's putting it lightly
11:02right now. Uh, look, you have Tyrod and Justin Fields who are two of the worst in the NFL currently
11:09with, uh, if you, if you believe in EPA expected points added per drop back, uh, they're in the
11:14top, top 10 worst at the quarterback position of EPA per drop back. Meaning every time they
11:21drop back, they're in the top 10 of the worst quarterbacks of expecting adding expecting
11:26points per drop back on their play. And they also average two of the longest times of holding
11:31the ball from time to snap to throw their averages is two of the longest in the NFL. So you're
11:39seeing quarterbacks right now, holding the ball too long between fields and Tyrod, not
11:43seeing open receivers downfield. And the, with the way that the offense has been playing
11:48to what you're saying, like, and how that's been called, they haven't been running to the,
11:52running the ball to their strengths and the usage for Brees hall. I would love to hear your thoughts
11:56on that. Why are they not giving the ball more to Brees hall? Even if it's just not even as a
12:02running back, but also as a wide receiver too. Yeah. I like he got dinged up before the halftime
12:07before halftime yesterday. So I'm, I think that affected his sack second half usage, but he only played
12:12like 50% of the stamps, which I don't get it with no Braylon Allen and no Garrett Wilson.
12:17Like, I don't know. I would, I would be going to Brees and saying like, Hey bro, Hey brother,
12:23we're riding you today. Like you're the, you're our guy. And you know, we're going to, we're going
12:28to go here. The wheels come off. And I just, I don't get it. I don't feel like they've done that
12:33at all. And we saw in training camp, like they used him creatively in the passing game and training
12:38camp. They talked about it, that, you know, how great he was at kept, you know, catching the ball,
12:43running routes and it just hasn't materialized. I don't know why. I don't know why that they've
12:48gone away from it. Um, like they have, but yeah, they, it's kind of troubling Ryan. When you look
12:57at like the, the coaching, like, what are they doing schematically to make up for what they're
13:04missing? So like, you don't have Garrett Wilson. So like, I would think you're sitting there all day
13:08Tuesday and they can stay and play the game. Oh, Garrett might've played. They knew Garrett wasn't
13:11playing. And you know, they were sitting there last Tuesday going, okay, we have no Garrett Wilson.
13:17So like, what are we going to do here? Um, how, like, what are we going to do here to, to win this
13:24game? And, and I don't know, I don't see anything. I don't see, I don't see what the plan plan is at
13:29all. No, I don't either. Um, would you, would you agree? I think Frankie said this to me yesterday in
13:35the post game show, he goes, it felt like they were running the same offense, but just without
13:39Garrett Wilson, like they were running the same scheme. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that.
13:44Yeah. It's just, it doesn't seem like they're not doing it. Like I did I, did I, I don't remember if
13:49I talked about this. I was thinking about this. I think I was thinking about this with the defense
13:53recently. I talked about the Rex game against Denver on a podcast. No, no. Yeah. So in 2014,
14:00like we're talking about when they didn't have the cornerbacks, right? They played a hell of schedule
14:04to start the season. They played all these great quarterbacks and they played the Broncos with
14:08Peyton Manning. And that's where the pay had been the Superbowl the year before. And they won the
14:12Superbowl the next year. So Rex knew like he had like Antonio Allen and Darren Walls at cornerback.
14:20I'm going to guess something like that. Right. So he's like, we're dead if we just go out and play
14:26our defense. So what he did is he dropped people. He dropped a ton of people in the coverage.
14:31So you're like, yeah, the Giants, I know the Giants is a hot topic right now. They dropped
14:35eight at the end of the game. He was dropping eight in the coverage because he knew if Peyton
14:40Manning saw that he'd run the ball. And Rex's thing was like, we might be able to keep this
14:45close. If we make them run the ball, we're going to be dead. If Peyton throws the ball with
14:49the guys we have. So he did that. And he put Quentin Copels, who was a defensive end, he lined
14:54him out on the wide receiver and he would jam the wide receiver. And years later, I talked
14:58to Adam Gase. Adam Gase is the offensive coordinator. And I talked to Adam Gase about that game
15:02because to me, it was, it was the best coach game I've ever covered. And they, and Gase
15:09said, Peyton came to the sideline and was like screaming at him. Like, why didn't you tell
15:13me they were going to do this? And Gase is like, how the hell would I know that they were
15:15going to do this? And they were, it really confused Peyton and the Jets kept close. They
15:21ended up Gino threw a pick six. They keep to leave. If I remember right, they kept the game
15:25close though. And it was just a remarkable, but to me, it was like, they lost the game,
15:29but it was like, wow, like he tried something, right? Like he looked at this game and said,
15:33if I, if we just line up with our 11 versus their 11, they're going to kick our ass. Like
15:38we were going to have to do something here. And it was great. It was like brilliant coaching.
15:41It was rough to me. It was Rex's best coaching Patriots game playoffs, probably his best coaching
15:47moment. But this was, this was up there to me because he didn't have the horses. So, so with
15:51this offense right now, no Garrett, like show me something, come out and show me something
15:56different. They had the one trick play. I'll give them that they, at least they tried something
16:00there. It didn't work, but it was a touchdown. If he, if he hits Lazard there, right? It was,
16:05and it's a great point by you guys. And I love that anecdote about the 2014 game against the
16:10Broncos, because this, I guess, brings me to my, my question about Aaron Glenn, right? Everything that
16:16you just highlighted about things he talked about in the off season and the training camp about how
16:21they were going to use players, right? We're going to coach them. Like you said, we're going to coach
16:24them like they'd never been coached before with Brees Hall, with Justin Fields and this offense
16:29with a rookie offensive coordinator, mind you, and a defensive minded head coach coming in his first
16:33time as a head coach. I, it just is a, it felt like a recipe for disaster. I tried to look on the bright
16:40side of it. Obviously I was wrong. And I think you try to keep me in check and I give you credit for
16:44that. I really do. But this is where I really want to know where this franchise is going, right?
16:53Oh, and seven. They're staring at the first pick in the draft right now. And it is literally bullseye
16:58right now. I don't see many wins on this, on the rest of the schedule, believe it or not. I know the
17:03dolphins, they might win that game because the dolphins are disaster right now too, but Patriots
17:08are not beatable. They're going to play the bills again. The Browns have a good defense. I want people
17:12to understand that. And with the way this offense is currently playing right now and constructed,
17:16they're not going to score many points against the Browns. So I don't see many wins on this
17:20on the schedule. In fact, I see probably one or zero. If Glenn finishes the season like this
17:27and it continues to be a disaster on offense, is that a fireable enough offense with how he's
17:34handled this first year? If it's one or zero. Yeah. That's the scenario where I see one and done
17:41being in play. Cause it's, I think it'd be hard for Woody Johnson to, to look at the paying
17:46customers and say, we're running it back. If it's one win or zero wins, Davey gets to two. I think
17:52you're, yeah, he's back. I don't think there's going to be a strong desire to make a change
17:57after the season and say, I don't know. It's like a traumatic thing to an organization when you're
18:04changing coaches and changing GMs. And it's a tough thing to go through. And I like going through it
18:09two years in a row. I don't think anyone in the Jets wants to do that. So yeah, it's on the table
18:17because they have zero wins still, but I still think it's highly unlikely. I do. I get what
18:22you're saying, but here's the thing, Ryan is the Owen 13 jets beat the Rams in 2020, right?
18:31There's results every week that I make you go out in the NFL. I didn't see that coming. And so
18:36yeah, on paper it's rough, but the Jets can win some of these games. And I think, I still think
18:41they're going to win some games. You are staying with it, man. I love it. You just, it's just the
18:46law of averages, right? Like how many zero win teams are there? Uh, two, right? The Browns and the
18:51Lions. Yeah. And I think the bucks had one, one year with a tie, right? I think they, they did way
18:57back, but yeah, it's yeah, not many. And so it's, it's a tough thing. It's a tough thing to do to,
19:02to go winless. So it's the NFL, like they're going to win some games, some games. Um,
19:09is it right though? The fact that the fan, I gotta be honest with you. I know fans were,
19:16were way too reactive. I am irrational. I tried to be patient with this guy, but I think it's
19:23because of, like you said, the arrogance that I heard from him in the preseason and in the training
19:29camp era, uh, time where he said, you know, again, all those things I just talked about
19:33and the way it's, it's played out thus far and the way he's mismanaged a lot of these games. Um,
19:40I think that's what leaves a really sour taste in my mouth. And the fact that this team has regressed
19:46and his, his gamble on the quarterback position has miserably failed. Um, and that's where I think
19:56it could be a fireball offense. It's how we, how you handle the quarterback position.
20:00Yeah. I, I don't see that as a fireball offense, that part of it, because right. Like, like I said,
20:06I don't think anyone looked at it and went, okay, this is going to work out perfectly. And like,
20:10he didn't mortgage the future for Justin Fields. He spent Woody Johnson's money, but it's a two-year
20:15contract. And you know, I'd have to look closer to like, if they can even get out of it after this
20:20year, I think he's probably back next year, but it's not, I don't think that's a fireball
20:24offense. I understand what they were thinking there. I actually thought it was the best option.
20:29You know, I wrote it back in December last year, cause it was looking at the quarterback options.
20:34I didn't think they were good ones. And I thought, I thought the ones like the reclamation
20:38projects were probably Fields, Daniel Jones, Sam Donald, right? Daniel Jones and Sam Donald
20:44weren't going to work in this market because there weren't going to be reclamation projects
20:47because every mistake they made was going to be about the past. And Donald wasn't going to come
20:50back here. Daniel Jones, maybe, but you know, he still would have been, had that giants cloud
20:55over him of what happened here. So he needed to go somewhere to start fresh. So Fields made
20:59sense to me. So I can't say that's a fireball fence. You know, yeah, the, the, the, the hard
21:05part of this, I think for Glenn is, I think everyone looked at it. They didn't make a lot of moves
21:09this off season. So Fields is probably the best, the biggest move that they made. And so it was a
21:15largely the same roster as last year, uh, with the obvious change of quarterback, you know,
21:20Devante Adams, uh, was a big one, but mostly the same, uh, DJ Reed swapped out for Brandon
21:26Stevens. So the difference, like we were sold was, Oh, well, the coaching is going to be
21:32different. Like that's where the, that's where the improvement is going to come is like, Oh,
21:35they were so terribly coached. They had all those penalties, right? Like he, when he was talking
21:40about penalties in the summer, he was talking about Salah and he thought he was asked about
21:46Will McDonald at one point, what's the difference? He said, coaching, right? So he was taking
21:50shots at Salah and Ulbrich. And so that's a, that's a dangerous game to play because, you
21:56know, you're putting it on you and you're saying you're going to be better basically than those
22:00guys were. And I don't know. Did you watch Sunday Night Football, Rye? I did. Yeah.
22:04Like five rookies for Robert Salah and that defense shut down Atlanta. Doesn't change what
22:09he did here as a head coach. I'm not saying that at all, but like, I don't, I don't think
22:13he's as bad a coach as everyone made him out to be. Nope. Um, and you know, I think he,
22:17he, he screwed up the quarterback position. You want to talk to the quarterback? He screwed
22:20up the quarterback position. He and Joe Douglas. Yeah. Uh, and that, that was what doomed him
22:25here. But you know, I don't, I don't remember too many games where I was like, ah, Salah really
22:31screwed that game up. Like that was a tough, like he really mismanaged that game. Um, you
22:36know, one or two, I think it's Detroit. I remember one that he messed up, but it was
22:41very few. So, um, I think, yeah, I think we were banking on the coaching being better
22:46and that hasn't happened. Yeah, it really hasn't. Um, and I, I think he has 10, you
22:52know, sorry, 11 more, 10 more opportunities here, 10 weeks, 11 weeks, 10 more games.
22:58That's it. 11 weeks. Season's almost over. Season's almost over. Um, I guess that this
23:04is really going to go down to though. Again, if Woody Johnson is going to trust
23:07Aaron Glenn to draft that quarterback, number one, overall, if they end up with
23:12the number one pick, um, and then the worst thing possible could happen is you
23:17repeat with the bears and Titans just did like you pointed out on last week's
23:22episode. So yeah. And look, it has worked out for the Patriots, but they fired him
23:29after the season, right? Like I did. Yeah, they did. But it was after, you know,
23:33after one season, see the quarterback had one season, but they brought in an
23:38established head coach and a very established offensive coordinator, right?
23:41Like Josh McDaniel. So I think that's the key there is like, yeah, if the Jets make
23:45a change after next year and they, they, they find a Rabel and a Josh McDaniels,
23:49like go for it. But, but that doesn't usually happen. So, uh, but yeah, no, I think
23:54that's the risk here is if you're taking a quarterback, number one, or even number
23:58two or number three, uh, you, you're going to want him to have some continuity
24:02and you got to make sure the coaching staff is going to be here.
24:05So should I be practicing more patience with this Jets front office and regime?
24:09Is that what you're telling me ultimately here for this year?
24:11No, I'm not telling you that you guys don't, you guys don't need to practice
24:15patience. Like fans don't need to practice patience. Like it's, you guys have,
24:19I can almost swore. Um, you guys have eaten a lot of garbage in the last 14 years. And,
24:27uh, you know, I'm starting to look up, you know, this is going to be, this is,
24:32looks like it's definitely gonna be a losing season. I think we didn't say that. Right.
24:35And 10 straight losing seasons is kind of hard to wrap your brain around.
24:39And I was looking up this morning, how many times that has happened and, you know,
24:43it's happened. It's happened more than you think, but it's, it's brutal. Like this is,
24:49this is a horrible, horrible, horrible, just stretch of football and Jets history.
24:56And you guys are sitting there spending, you know, you spend your time every Sunday.
25:00Some people spend their money going to the game. Some people spend money on jerseys,
25:03things like that. So I'm not going to tell you to be patient. You guys don't have to be now.
25:08Woody Johnson, he might have to be, but you, you, I wouldn't, I'm not going to preach your fans.
25:13Well, look, it's it. This is under Woody Johnson's regime, uh, his tenure as an owner. Uh,
25:19they have the Jets have more four win seasons than actual winning season record seasons,
25:24uh, in his tenure as an owner. Um, that's, that's, that is where we're at as a franchise right now.
25:31And I just, again, I don't see it getting any better this year, especially now that the quarterback
25:35is completely bottom line. Do you think Tyrod Taylor starting against the Bengals this Sunday?
25:40Yeah, I do. Uh, we'll find out, I'm guessing we'll find out Tuesday, Wednesday, what the decision
25:46is, but yeah, I think he will. Um, you know, and look, it's all about the quarterback, right? Like
25:51we can dissect Aaron Glenn all we want. It's about the quarterback. Like you, you look a lot better
25:58when you have a quarterback and you know, that it's, that's what this league is. You either have
26:02one or you don't. Do you think there's enough, uh, talent on this roster to be a winning team or
26:08with the quarter? Like, are they a quarterback away? I guess is what I'm asking right now
26:11from actually having a winning record, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Winning record. I think they could
26:18have a winning record with a good, good quarterback. You know, I don't think they're a Superbowl team.
26:22No, I don't think they're necessarily a quarterback away from a Superbowl team, but yeah, I think
26:25they're a quarterback away from being a good team. Uh, I think, cause I think the, I think the issues
26:30right now are just like, there's, there's no threat of a passing game. So defenses are selling out
26:36to stop the run. Uh, I think quarter, the quarterbacks aren't recognizing pre-snap stuff
26:43blitzes. And so that's making the offensive line look worse. So I just think it's long.
26:47They are. I think, I mean, it's simplistic in the NFL to blame everything on the quarterback
26:51or give the quarterback credit. But to me right now, the Jets problems are essential to the
26:55quarterback position. It's been a constant theme for over 15 years now. It feels like probably
27:00longer than that, right? Longer than that. If you want to go to Chad Pennington all the way to
27:03back to him, go back to 1976, right? If you really want to, I mean, Ken O'Brien played pretty
27:08well for a while. Chad Petty even played pretty well for a while. Other than that is, you know,
27:13Mark Sanchez had amazing post-season runs, but other than that, it's been a lot of rough football
27:17from the quarterback position. It has, um, Vinny give Vinny a shout out to Vinny. Yep. I would give
27:23Vinny a shout out as well. The last, just the last part I just want to ask you, cause the discourse
27:27obviously is one and done for Glenn. Um, do you trust him to pick the quarterback in the future
27:32and, and give him patience to do this? The comparisons to the lions, right? Everyone's
27:37talking right now today. Uh, I see on jet social media is the lions 2021 roster. Uh, believe it
27:44or not, did have talent and that Dan Campbell was lost in what he was doing because of how
27:48they started the season. Oh, nine and one or Oh, 10 and one, whatever it was. And he had
27:52Jared Goff already at that point. Um, you know, I'm seeing God, they didn't have a lot of
27:57people around, right? So he had Amon Ross St. Brown, Jamal Williams. No, no, no, no. I thought
28:02Amon Ross was a rookie in 2021. It was a rookie. Okay. So they drafted him that, that year
28:07for 2021. Okay. So he had Deandre Swift, Jamal Adams, uh, Jamal Williams, uh, Amon
28:13Ra, Kalief Raymond, as is the wide receiver too. And they had TJ Hawkinson, former first
28:18round pick as tight end. So look, there was, there was pieces there, right? But the offense,
28:22like you said, was they fired their OC Anthony Lynn at the end of the season and Campbell,
28:27I see Tom Palacero tweeting out, you know, Dan Campbell, they started the season. Oh,
28:31and six. Yeah. That Goff needs to play better. I don't see it with Justin Fields. So I know
28:38like, look, look, like Jared Goff, let's be clear here. Jared Goff had a lot better resume
28:43than Justin Fields. Like, you know, he takes, he was in the Superbowl with the Rams and he
28:48had some good times with the Rams. Things got sour there, which was a little strange at
28:52the end between him and McVay, but he had a good run, uh, with the Rams. Like Justin Fields
28:58has not had anywhere near the success that Jared Goff had. Right. So the comparison,
29:03right. For, I guess Glenn is going to continue to paint that picture of, look, I've been through
29:08hard times in 2021 when we were at the lions and we started Oh, 10 and one, whatever. It's like,
29:12okay, but you had more talent everywhere else besides the quarterback that you chose to go with,
29:19mind you. And, and it's gotten worse offensively and it's gotten worse as a team from last year to
29:25this year. Yeah. Yeah. I don't love the comparison things. Uh, Sala did this too. I don't know if
29:31people remember this, but Sala always drew the comparison to San Francisco, right? That San
29:36Francisco, they, I think they lost their first nine games with Kyle Shanahan. It looked like that
29:41would be 2017, right? 2017 49ers. They were bad. 2017 49ers were bad. 2018 49ers were bad. Then
29:492019 49ers went to the Superbowl. Sala pointed to that. Sala pointed to Jacksonville where he was
29:55felt like he was part of the turnaround in Jacksonville, even though I think they actually
29:59had success the year after he was fired. Uh, he and like Gus, Gus Bradley were fired. Uh,
30:06Seattle, he was part of the turnaround there. So like Sala was kind of pointed to this as like,
30:09I've done this before. I think every situation is different. Um, unless you're like Bill Parcells,
30:16like, you know what I mean? And like you're, you've, you've proven you can go in places and turn
30:20things around. I think it's hard to make that case. If you were an assistant coach somewhere where it
30:23happened, it's an interesting point from you cause, uh, the, the 49ers started six and 10
30:28and four and 12 Shanahan's first two years with the, what was their record to start the 17 season?
30:34Uh, there. Yeah, I do. Uh, their record to start that year before they won a game. Yep. Uh,
30:40standby. So they had 0 1 0 2 0 3 0 4 0 and 5 0 and 6 0 and 7 0 and 8 0 and 9 to start the year
30:48before they won their first game against the giants. Yeah. So Shannon, so Shannon's a guy that people
30:52point to as well as he was, Oh, look, he started 0 and 9. He's a great coach. So yeah, like it can
30:57happen, but there's a lot of instances where the turnarounds never happened too. So no one points
31:03to those ones. Yeah. So I, I think every situation is different. Um, so I, I, I'm not, I'm not like
31:09in that camp that the Detroit thing necessarily means anything for here. So maybe we'll see. Uh, I I'm
31:17looking forward to seeing cause the coverage this week to see how, what they had, how they handle this
31:21quarterback situation. Uh, I want to start talking draft with you soon because I think,
31:26Oh, I know you don't want to hear that, but that's the truth, man. We're at, we're at that
31:30point now where October it's not even Halloween and we're talking draft and we're talking quarterback
31:38prospects every damn year, every damn year. We're talking draft happy anniversary cause we
31:45appreciate you, man. Thank you. Uh, look, we'll talk to you later this week. Uh, I'm sure there's
31:51gonna be a lot more to talk about as the week progresses, but we appreciate you, man, always
31:55coming on and giving us your latest and insight on all this. All right. Thanks, Ryan.
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