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Alle ore 8.30, il Comitato permanente sui diritti umani nel mondo, istituito presso la Commissione Esteri della Camera, ha svolto l'audizione di Masashi Ieshima, rappresentante della Confederazione Giapponese delle Organizzazioni delle Vittime della Bomba Atomica e delle Bombe a Idrogeno Nihon Hidankyo-Premio Nobel per la Pace 2024, e Florian Eblenkamp, Advocacy Officer della International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons (ICAN)-Premio Nobel per la Pace 2017. (23.10.25)
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Alle ore 8.30, il Comitato permanente sui diritti umani nel mondo, istituito presso la Commissione Esteri della Camera, ha svolto l'audizione di Masashi Ieshima, rappresentante della Confederazione Giapponese delle Organizzazioni delle Vittime della Bomba Atomica e delle Bombe a Idrogeno Nihon Hidankyo-Premio Nobel per la Pace 2024, e Florian Eblenkamp, Advocacy Officer della International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons (ICAN)-Premio Nobel per la Pace 2017. (23.10.25)
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00:00I would like to point out that these proceedings will also be broadcast on the Chamber of Deputies' web TV channel.
00:13I would like to remind you that remote participation is permitted for colleagues in accordance with the procedures established by the Committee on the Rules of Proceedings.
00:23Today's agenda includes the informal hearing of Masashi Yeshima, a representative of the Japanese Confederation of A and H-bomb sufferers' organizations,
00:40Niholi Dankio, Nobel Peace Prize for 2024, as well as Florian Ebelkamp, who is the Advocacy Officer of the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons, ICANN,
00:54who was also awarded Nobel Peace Prize for 2017.
00:59On behalf of the members of the Committee, I would also like to welcome and thank Mr. Masashi Yeshima and Mr. Florian Ebelkamp for their willingness to take part in our work.
01:12They are accompanied by Alessia Trama, Head of External Relations for the Sensa Atomica Project of the Be the Hope ETS Foundation,
01:23as well as Francesco Vignacca, the Campaign Coordinator for the Italian Peace and Disarmament Network we've been working with for a very long time now.
01:34I would also like to remind you that Niholi Dankio brings together the survivors of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the so-called Ibakusha.
01:46It was founded in 1956 and it works for nuclear disarmament, the protection of the survivors' rights,
01:54as well as education and awareness raising on the consequences of the atomic weapons through the testimonies of its members.
02:02For its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons and for demonstrating through testimonies that nuclear weapons must never be used again
02:15and for this the organization received and was awarded the 2024 Nobel Peace Prize.
02:22I personally met some of the Bakusha during my trips to Hiroshima.
02:28The last was in April 2023 within the framework of the forum of G7 parliamentarians on the elimination of nuclear weapons promoted by the ICAN campaign.
02:41I spoke with women and men who still bear the wounds of those harrowing bombs upon their bodies.
02:54They were relentless in telling the stories of those days and the aftermath of those days.
03:02The international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons is a campaign to mobilize civil society worldwide with a goal of prohibiting and eliminating nuclear weapons.
03:15In 2017, the campaign was also awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for promoting the signing at the United Nations of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.
03:27This entered into force on January 22, 2021, and it is binding on all signatory countries, 95 to date.
03:41Italy is not among the signatory countries of the treaty against this backdrop.
03:46I would like to point out to our guests that on July the 12th, 2023, as some of you may already know, the Foreign Affairs Committee unanimously approved a resolution,
04:01which I was the first to sign, committing the government, among other things, to continue to evaluate in accordance with the obligations entered into within the Atlantic Alliance
04:14and with the guiding, with the steering of other allies, too, possible actions to move closer to some of the contents of the Treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons,
04:25in particular with regard assistance to victims and environmental restoration, as enshrined in Article 6 of the Treaty.
04:38Today's hearing is, therefore, a good opportunity to rekindle the debate on Italy's re-approaching to the Treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons with a view to its future signatory.
04:54Today also marks an occasion to examine the humanitarian impact of nuclear arsenals and the international situation of disarmament regimes.
05:09In particular, in view of the expiry of the New START Treaty, which is scheduled for February next year, we live in a difficult time.
05:21Therefore, today's hearing is all the more timely, and I'm, therefore, very happy to give the floor to Mr. Masashi Yishima to deliver his speech.
05:34Mr. Yishima, the floor is yours.
05:37Mr. Yishima, the floor is yours.
05:50Mr. Yishima, the floor is yours.
05:52Mr. Yishima, the floor is yours.
05:54I charge you for some reason.
05:59But the nuclear nuclear weapons and Shanghai and the ground-zoned war,
06:05Grazie a tutti.
06:35Il comitato per il Nobel ha sottolineato il lavoro...
07:05In un anno in cui furono sganciate le bombe...
07:17In the year when the bombings were dropped, many people died...
07:23...1万人以上の人が旅立ち、残る被爆者は10万人を切りました。
07:30あと10年もすれば、被爆者はほとんどいなくなってしまうでしょう。
07:33日本被爆者がノーベル賞を受賞されたということは、
07:40核兵器首相がどういう結末をもたらすかを再認識させるという
07:44世界の犠牲者への警告でしょう。
07:48被爆者の代表たちのノーベル委員会との懇談の場でも
07:52ちょっと漏らされた本音です。
07:54Since that day, many more died because of radiations or other factors
08:03linked to the exposition to radiations.
08:05So there were less than 100,000 survivors in 10 years.
08:10Probably there will be no survivor to atomic bombings.
08:14The award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the Dankio Association
08:19is a reminder for world leaders so that they remember that
08:23there can be no more nuclear weapons in the future.
08:26This is what the representatives of the Association said
08:29during their short meeting with the Nobel Peace Prize Committee.
08:337月7日に122カ国の賛成により国連で採折された
08:38核兵器禁止条約が2021年1月に発行するに至り
08:43現在95カ国が署名し74カ国が批准しています。
08:50私たち被爆者にとっての長年の悲願である
08:53核兵器廃絶への道が開けたものと
08:56喜んでおりますが、これが核兵器廃絶への
09:00大きな前進であるとしても
09:02肝心な核兵器保有国が動かなければ
09:06解決する道は開けません。
09:08日本からは1972カ国からは1972カ国の賛成により
09:14大きな前進はイエンブの一方で
09:17に対応する…
09:18122カ国からは222カ国からは212カ国からは
09:221972カ国からは212カ国からは1つでる
09:26Grazie a tutti.
09:56Grazie a tutti.
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19:26Grazie a tutti.
19:56Grazie a tutti.
20:26that United Nations
20:30can lead the way
20:32pointing the way
20:34toward the abolition
20:35of nuclear weapons
20:36thank you very much
20:36for listening
20:37thank you so very much
20:45Mr. Leshima
20:48for telling us
20:50your personal story
20:52thank you for sharing it
20:53with us
20:54and we take note
20:57of your appeal
20:58let me tell you from this
21:00from the outset
21:01that this committee
21:02will be debating
21:05and I hope will unanimously
21:07approve a resolution
21:09that I was the first one to sign
21:11we're still working on it
21:13as I said a resolution on the matter
21:15and I hope
21:16I will be in a position
21:18to give you good news
21:21on the approval
21:22of this resolution
21:23I will now give the floor
21:25to Mr. Florian Ablenkamp
21:27for his speech
21:28you have the floor
21:30Mr. Ablenkamp
21:31Grazie per avermi invitato
21:38a parlare oggi
21:39al Parlamento Italiano
21:40continuerò in inglese
21:42perché il mio italiano
21:44non è abbastanza buono
21:46per rendere le sfumature
21:49che questo argomento richiede
21:51Madame Chair
21:56distinguished members
21:57of the commission
21:58dear colleagues
21:59thank you
22:00sincerely
22:01for inviting me
22:02to speak today
22:02on behalf of the
22:03international campaign
22:05to abolish nuclear weapon
22:05it's an honor
22:08it's an honor
22:08to be here today
22:08with Yeshima-san
22:10a representative
22:11of Neon Hidankyo
22:12the survivors
22:13of Hiroshima
22:13and Nagasaki
22:14your description
22:15of one single
22:16comparatively small
22:17nuclear weapon
22:18reminds us
22:19that nuclear weapons
22:20are not an abstract concept
22:21but a lived
22:22human tragedy
22:24dear members of parliament
22:27we meet today
22:28at a time
22:29when nuclear weapons
22:30have once again
22:31moved to the center
22:32of world politics
22:33every alarming development
22:35of recent years
22:36new deployments
22:37modernization programs
22:38open nuclear threats
22:39has been justified
22:41by one phrase
22:42nuclear deterrence
22:43Russia threatens
22:46to use nuclear weapons
22:47in Ukraine
22:47and calls that deterrence
22:49the United States
22:50and its allies
22:51modernize their arsenals
22:52also in the name
22:53of deterrence
22:54China
22:55North Korea
22:56and others
22:57expand their capabilities
22:58again
22:59for deterrence
23:00an Israeli minister
23:02has spoken about
23:03using a nuclear weapon
23:04in Gaza
23:04to deter Hamas
23:06and yes
23:07Italy too
23:08as part of NATO
23:09subscribes to
23:11and thereby legitimizes
23:12this ideology
23:13but when we look closely
23:16we see that many
23:17of these actions
23:18are not deterrence
23:19at all
23:19they are nuclear blackmail
23:21the deliberate use
23:23of nuclear threats
23:24to intimidate
23:25and to silence others
23:26to facilitate
23:27violations of international law
23:29and of the most basic norms
23:31of state behavior
23:3280 years
23:34after
23:35Yoshima-san
23:36experienced the nuclear
23:37nuclear bombing
23:37in Hiroshima
23:38we find ourselves
23:40once again
23:41standing at the nuclear brink
23:43but nuclear weapons
23:45are not a force of nature
23:46they are ultimately
23:47a political choice
23:49so I'm asking you
23:51do we continue
23:53to respond to every new threat
23:55with even more deterrence
23:56even more nuclear weapons
23:57or
23:58are we ready to begin
23:59a serious
24:00honest conversation
24:01about potential alternatives
24:03and about the human
24:04the environmental
24:05and the moral consequences
24:07of clinging on
24:08to a doctrine
24:09that will one day
24:10destroy us all
24:11in 2025
24:16the risk of nuclear weapons
24:17being used
24:18intentionally
24:19or by accident
24:20is higher
24:21than at any time
24:22since the Cold War
24:23nuclear sharing arrangements
24:24are being renewed
24:25and modernized
24:26here in Europe
24:26including
24:27on Italian soil
24:28thousands of weapons
24:29remain on high alert
24:31ready to launch
24:32with minutes
24:33some of them
24:34pointed directly
24:35at us
24:36here in Rome
24:36and we are told
24:38that this is security
24:39but can something
24:40that would annihilate
24:41entire cities
24:43truly make us safe
24:44the humanitarian consequences
24:46of any nuclear detonation
24:48are beyond imagination
24:50mass death
24:51radiation
24:51famine
24:52and climate disruption
24:53and even a limited
24:55nuclear war
24:56would lead to a global
24:58food shortage
24:58and affect billions
24:59of people
25:00that is why
25:02nuclear weapons
25:02are not only
25:03a question
25:04for military strategists
25:05they are ultimately
25:06also a human rights issue
25:08threatening the most
25:09fundamental rights
25:09of all
25:10the right to life
25:11to health
25:12and to a safe environment
25:13to name a few
25:14in this context
25:17the treaty
25:17on the prohibition
25:18of nuclear weapons
25:19or TPNW
25:19represents a turning point
25:21adopted
25:22at the United Nations
25:24in 2017
25:24it entered into force
25:25in 2021
25:26and since only
25:27a few days ago
25:28a majority
25:29of the world's
25:30countries
25:30has either signed
25:31or ratified
25:31the treaty
25:32the central
25:34the central message
25:39of the treaty
25:39is simple
25:41weapons that cause
25:43catastrophic
25:44humanitarian harm
25:45must be prohibited
25:47just as we have done
25:48with chemical weapons
25:50with landmines
25:51and with cluster munition
25:52the TPNW
25:54is not directed
25:56against any specific
25:57country
25:58or alliance
25:58or alliance
25:58of countries
25:59it is directed
26:00against the weapons
26:01themselves
26:02and against the
26:03outdated belief
26:04that security
26:05can be built
26:06on mass destruction
26:07the treaty complements
26:09rather than competes
26:10with the non-proliferation treaty
26:12the NPT
26:14prevents proliferation
26:15and the TPNW
26:16gives meaning
26:17to the NPT's
26:18promise
26:19for nuclear disarmament
26:20and crucially
26:23the TPNW
26:25contains provisions
26:26on assistance
26:27to victims
26:27and environmental
26:28remediation
26:29for the first time
26:30international law
26:32recognizes
26:33the suffering
26:34of nuclear victims
26:35from Hiroshima
26:36to test sites
26:37in Kazakhstan
26:38on Pacific Islands
26:39and beyond
26:40this should be a matter
26:42of our shared
26:42human responsibility
26:44it is what we call
26:46nuclear justice
26:46not only
26:48in preventing
26:49future harm
26:50but also
26:50to address
26:51the legacy
26:52of past harm
26:53some have called
26:57the TPNW
26:58controversial
26:59in truth
27:00I think it's one
27:01of the most profoundly
27:02humanitarian initiatives
27:04of our time
27:05it stems
27:06from the same
27:07moral impulse
27:08that gave us
27:08the Geneva Conventions
27:09the basis
27:10of international law
27:11which stemmed
27:12from the belief
27:12that even in matters
27:14of war and peace
27:15humanity
27:16must have limits
27:17as Henri Dunant
27:19the founder
27:20of the Red Cross
27:21once said
27:22it is not enough
27:24to feel compassion
27:24we must act
27:26and I'm sure
27:27many of you
27:28feel compassion
27:29with Hiroshima-san
27:30so now
27:31it is time to act
27:33Italy
27:35has a proud tradition
27:37of promoting
27:37human rights
27:38humanitarian law
27:39and international dialogue
27:41this very parliament
27:43and its committee
27:44have repeatedly
27:45shown concern
27:46for the humanitarian
27:47consequences
27:47of nuclear weapons
27:48and I'm therefore
27:49very encouraged
27:50that the Foreign Affairs
27:52Committee
27:52will again
27:53soon debate
27:54the resolution
27:54calling on the government
27:55to engage
27:56constructively
27:57with the treaty
27:58on the prohibition
27:59of nuclear weapons
27:59this is a crucial step
28:01and a sign
28:03that Italy
28:03no longer wishes
28:04to ignore the TPNW
28:05but to contribute
28:06to this growing
28:07international conversation
28:09of course
28:11Italy is part of NATO
28:12and its security policy
28:14is complex
28:15but engagement
28:16with the TPNW
28:17does not mean
28:18breaking an alliance
28:19several NATO countries
28:21Norway
28:22Germany
28:22Belgium
28:23the Netherlands
28:23Finland
28:24and Sweden
28:24have already attended
28:26TPNW meetings
28:27as observers
28:28they have shown
28:29that dialogue is possible
28:30even if the legal conclusions
28:31remain different
28:32with the majority
28:35of the world's countries
28:36already being part
28:37of the TPNW
28:38Italy
28:39now can
28:40and should
28:41join the conversation
28:42and no longer
28:43pretend to ignore
28:44that the reality
28:44of the treaty
28:45is growing
28:46and growing
28:462026
28:49will be a decisive
28:50year for the future
28:52of international
28:53law related
28:54to nuclear weapons
28:55it will see
28:56the review conference
28:57of the non-proliferation treaty
28:59a treaty that is
29:00nearly universal
29:01but unfortunately
29:02paralyzed
29:03by political division
29:04and it will also see
29:06the first review conference
29:07of the treaty
29:07on the prohibition
29:08of nuclear weapons
29:09a treaty that is growing
29:10that is inclusive
29:11and that is focused
29:12on humanitarian solutions
29:14so the world
29:16will watch to see
29:17which countries
29:18are willing to engage
29:19and I would encourage
29:20Italy to be present
29:21at least as an observer state
29:23at the 2026
29:24TPNW review conference
29:26even without joining
29:28the treaty at the moment
29:29Italy's participation
29:30would send a powerful message
29:31that it is ready to listen
29:33ready for dialogue
29:34and ready to lead
29:35with human rights
29:36and reason
29:37distinguished members
29:40of parliament
29:40when we talk about
29:42nuclear weapons
29:42we often speak
29:44about deterrence
29:46about balance
29:46and strategy
29:47and stability
29:48but the survivors
29:50from Hiroshima
29:51and Nagasaki
29:51remind us
29:52that behind every
29:53strategic concept
29:54stand human lives
29:55mothers
29:56children
29:57entire communities
29:58erased in a flesh
30:00and their message
30:01to us is simple
30:02and timeless
30:03never again
30:05engaging with the TPNW
30:08is therefore
30:08not an act of protest
30:10it is an act
30:11of respect
30:11for life
30:12it is a reaffirmation
30:13of Italy's commitment
30:14to humanitarian law
30:16and for human dignity
30:17it is a step
30:19toward a world
30:19where our security
30:20is measured
30:21not so much
30:22by our capacity
30:23to destroy
30:24but by our capacity
30:26to protect
30:27Madame Chair
30:29distinguished members
30:30we stand
30:31at a crossroads
30:32we can continue
30:33to rely on nuclear deterrence
30:35and simply hope
30:35for the best
30:36or we can start
30:37to begin
30:38to imagine
30:38a safer
30:39fairer alternative
30:40it is up to you all
30:42as members
30:43of this parliament
30:43to make Italy
30:45choose the path
30:45of humanity
30:46of dialogue
30:47and of courage
30:48and to help shape
30:49the global effort
30:50to finally abolish
30:52the most inhumane
30:53weapon ever created
30:54thank you
30:56for your powerful speech
31:08may I tell you
31:10over the years
31:11I have very much
31:12appreciated
31:13ICANN's commitment
31:14first time
31:15I met
31:16with the activists
31:17of ICANN
31:18as a speaker
31:19of this house
31:20they came here
31:22to raise awareness
31:23on the treaty
31:24and it occurred
31:26to me
31:26to think
31:27they were so
31:28skilled
31:29but they were so
31:30full of ideals
31:32that we'll never
31:33manage
31:34to push
31:35this treaty forward
31:36but I was wrong
31:37when you truly
31:39believe
31:40in a goal
31:40then civil society
31:41can really
31:42make a quantum leap
31:44and this is what happened
31:45you really made a difference
31:47thank you
31:48for your determination
31:49today
31:51we have this treaty
31:52and we must cherish
31:54nurture it
31:55and relaunch it
31:56having said that
31:57I would like to ask
31:59my colleagues
31:59if they wish
32:00to take the floor
32:01MP Merino
32:03good morning
32:04and thank you
32:05very much
32:06I would like to welcome
32:07Sashima Shima
32:09and
32:09Florian Abelkamp
32:12first of all
32:12I would like to thank
32:13all of you
32:14for your testimony
32:16unfortunately
32:17now
32:18in Italy
32:19we are living
32:21a very challenging
32:22time
32:23government
32:27seems to be
32:28in denial
32:29of everything
32:30and it doesn't
32:31seem to want
32:33to face
32:33important challenges
32:35such as nuclear
32:36disarmament
32:37and
32:37membership
32:39of the treaty
32:39we
32:40in the past
32:41proposed
32:43a motion
32:43in this regard
32:44but it was not
32:46approved
32:49but let me tell you
32:50one thing
32:51you are true
32:53when the civil society
32:56does something
32:57then we manage
32:58to achieve something
32:59and this was
33:00demonstrated
33:01by our
33:01public action
33:03on Gaza
33:03we are here
33:04to reiterate
33:05our commitment
33:06in order for us
33:07to be able
33:07to join the treaty
33:08you know
33:10listening to
33:11this heartbreaking
33:13testimonies
33:14really changes
33:15everything
33:16the spillover effects
33:19of the bombings
33:20were felt
33:21in Italy too
33:22despite the hundreds
33:24of thousands
33:24of kilometers
33:25that separate us
33:27from the places
33:29of the bombings
33:30I would like
33:31to thank
33:32all of you
33:32for being here
33:33and I just
33:34wanted to reiterate
33:35that we will
33:36stand resilient
33:38in bringing
33:39forward
33:40this cause
33:41we have to
33:42abolish
33:43nuclear weapons
33:44because otherwise
33:45that will
33:46bring the world
33:47to the brink
33:48of destruction
33:48unfortunately
33:49current governments
33:51do not understand
33:52how important
33:53it is to
33:54push nuclear
33:55disarmament forward
33:56thank you
33:57MP Marino
33:58MP Porta
33:59you have the floor
34:00thank you
34:02Madam Chair
34:04I would also
34:05like to thank
34:06our guests
34:07our
34:08authoritative guests
34:10two Nobel Prize
34:12laureates
34:13who are here
34:15to remind us
34:16that
34:17memory
34:18is not only
34:20a right
34:21of humanity
34:23and we also
34:26have to
34:27respect
34:28the victims
34:29of the past
34:30but this
34:31goes
34:31well beyond
34:32this
34:33we have to
34:34we owe
34:35respect
34:35to our future
34:37generations
34:38too
34:38unfortunately
34:39over the last
34:41few years
34:42we've been
34:44witnessing
34:45a denial
34:47of this
34:49human right
34:51we are all
34:52entitled to
34:53to keep
34:55to keep
34:55a memento
34:56of the tragedies
34:57of the past
34:58the holocaust
34:59victims
35:00of dictatorships
35:01and other
35:03tragedies
35:03of the past
35:04indeed
35:05I believe
35:06parliaments
35:07have a duty
35:07to bring
35:08these causes
35:09forward
35:10especially
35:11vis-à-vis
35:11newer
35:12generations
35:13who
35:14to me
35:15are the
35:16beacon of hope
35:17the only
35:18beacon of hope
35:19of the future
35:20as MP
35:21Marino
35:22said
35:23if there's
35:24one single
35:25beam of hope
35:26we can
35:27underline
35:28against
35:30the backdrop
35:31of the tragedies
35:33that have
35:33affected
35:34human rights
35:35and the environment
35:36well this is
35:37the new
35:38awareness
35:40shown
35:41by young people
35:42as you rightly
35:44recalled
35:45over the last
35:47few years
35:48we've
35:49been brought
35:50closer
35:51to a renewed
35:53nuclear conflict
35:54in an unexpected
35:55way
35:56since the end
35:57of the second
35:59world war
36:01and this
36:01must
36:03make us
36:06even more
36:08resolute
36:08with regard
36:10to the
36:10commitments
36:11towards
36:12the
36:12TPN
36:14and W
36:15treaty
36:16and other
36:16commitments
36:17as far as
36:18Italy is
36:18concerned
36:19after all
36:21we are
36:22only
36:23parliamentarians
36:24including
36:24from the
36:25opposition
36:26here today
36:28but
36:28despite this
36:29we must
36:31strive
36:31and make
36:32everything
36:33that we
36:33can
36:34to
36:35bring
36:36the
36:37resolution
36:37forward
36:38and
36:38remind you
36:39that
36:40this
36:40resolution
36:41was
36:41approved
36:42unanimously
36:43so as I
36:44said
36:44we have
36:44to make
36:44sure
36:45that
36:45at least
36:46Italy
36:47can
36:47participate
36:49as an
36:49observer
36:50country
36:52to the
36:53review
36:53conference
36:54in
36:542026
36:55on top
36:56of the
36:5695
36:57countries
36:57which have
36:58already
36:58approved
36:59and joined
37:00the treaty
37:01as I
37:02said
37:02I am
37:03sad
37:04to
37:04note
37:05that
37:06parliamentarians
37:07from the
37:07ruling majority
37:08are not
37:09present
37:10here today
37:11but despite
37:12this
37:13let me
37:14remind you
37:15that your
37:15presence
37:16here
37:16will
37:17give
37:18fresh
37:19imperus
37:20to
37:21the
37:22actions
37:22of this
37:23committee
37:24we want
37:25to engage
37:26on
37:27multilateralism
37:28and we
37:29want
37:29to promote
37:30a plural
37:31society
37:32and we
37:32want
37:33to tap
37:33into
37:34international
37:35alliances
37:35which are
37:36also
37:37under threat
37:38today
37:39as a
37:39consequence
37:40of
37:40resurgence
37:41of
37:42authoritarian
37:42regimes
37:43today
37:44thank you
37:45MP
37:45Pota
37:45are there
37:47yes MP
37:48Quartapella
37:48would like
37:49to take
37:49the floor
37:49thank you
37:50I would
37:50also like
37:51to thank
37:52Madam
37:53Chair
37:53for organizing
37:55this
37:55hearing
37:56and I would
37:57also like
37:57to thank
37:58Florian
37:58and the
37:59icon
37:59we've
38:00known each
38:01other
38:01for a
38:02very long
38:02time
38:02now
38:02and I
38:03would
38:03also like
38:04to thank
38:04Ishii
38:05Masashi
38:06Ishma
38:07for his
38:08testimonies
38:09I am
38:09back
38:09from
38:09Ukraine
38:10right
38:10now
38:11and
38:11let me
38:12remind
38:12you
38:12that
38:13the
38:14issue
38:14of
38:14nonproliferation
38:15treaty
38:16is
38:16all
38:17the
38:18more
38:18timely
38:19and
38:20nuclear
38:22threat
38:22is
38:22very
38:23real
38:23in
38:25countries
38:25that
38:27is
38:28facing
38:29the
38:30threat
38:31of
38:31bombings
38:32relentless
38:32bombings
38:33for the
38:34fourth
38:34year
38:34in
38:35a
38:35row
38:35that
38:36as
38:36we
38:36speak
38:37the
38:38country
38:38was
38:39hit
38:39by
38:39new
38:40attacks
38:40this
38:40morning
38:41but
38:42there's
38:42also
38:42a
38:43threat
38:43of
38:44nuclear
38:45weapons
38:45hanging
38:46over
38:47Ukraine
38:48and let
38:51us
38:51remember
38:53that
38:53nuclear
38:54power
38:55plants
38:55that
38:56are
38:57used
38:58as
38:59collateral
38:59threats
39:01so
39:01for
39:02us
39:02it
39:03is
39:03of
39:04the
39:04essence
39:04to
39:05be
39:05able
39:05to
39:05frame
39:06these
39:06campaigns
39:07within
39:08this
39:09broader
39:09picture
39:10we live
39:12in a
39:12world
39:13where
39:13nuclear
39:14proliferation
39:14is not
39:16a thing
39:16of the
39:17past
39:17indeed
39:18it is
39:19increasing
39:21and it
39:22is
39:22exacerbating
39:23and as
39:24MP
39:24Porta
39:25rightly
39:25recalled
39:26in a
39:27world
39:27when
39:27multilateralism
39:29is
39:29shrinking
39:31it is
39:32all the
39:32more
39:32important
39:33to
39:34come up
39:36with
39:36a
39:36shared
39:37framework
39:39there's
39:40no use
39:41in preaching
39:42to the
39:42converters
39:43instead
39:44we must
39:45appeal
39:45to those
39:47who have
39:47not
39:47yet
39:48joined
39:50this
39:50cause
39:51we
39:54must
39:54do
39:56away
39:56with
39:57impunity
39:57and let
39:58us
39:58remember
39:59what
39:59happened
39:59between
40:00Russia
40:00and
40:01Ukraine
40:01in terms
40:02of the
40:02threats
40:03that
40:03were
40:03moved
40:04just
40:05recently
40:05so
40:06I
40:06believe
40:07your
40:07campaign
40:08is
40:08really
40:09pivotal
40:10it
40:11is
40:11indeed
40:11ever
40:13difficult
40:13to
40:14bring
40:15forward
40:15because
40:16there are
40:16governments
40:17there are
40:17stakeholders
40:18who
40:18are
40:19turning
40:19a
40:21blind
40:22eye
40:22on
40:22what
40:23is
40:23happening
40:23there are
40:25regimes
40:26that are
40:27paving
40:28the way
40:29to
40:30impunity
40:30and for
40:31those who
40:32believe
40:32that
40:32negotiations
40:33on
40:33non-proliferation
40:34are
40:35of no
40:36use
40:36well
40:36they're
40:37wrong
40:37so
40:38I wish
40:39you
40:39all the
40:40best
40:40on behalf
40:41of
40:42our
40:42party
40:43let me
40:43remind
40:44you
40:44that
40:44you
40:45have
40:45a
40:46full
40:47support
40:48and
40:50I
40:51hope
40:51you
40:51will
40:51be
40:52successful
40:53in
40:53your
40:53future
40:54in
40:54Davis
40:54thank
40:55you
40:56madam
40:56MP
40:57I
40:58myself
40:59have
41:00a
41:00number
41:00of
41:01questions
41:01and
41:01considerations
41:02and points
41:03to raise
41:03first of all
41:04I would
41:05like to
41:05ask
41:06Mr.
41:09Yashima
41:09the
41:11following
41:11what
41:17kind
41:18of
41:18awareness
41:19is there
41:20in
41:20Japan
41:20in terms
41:21of
41:21the
41:21survivors
41:23your
41:24membership
41:25has
41:25increased
41:26over
41:27time
41:27or
41:27is there
41:29still
41:29some
41:30caution
41:33when it
41:34comes
41:34to
41:34raising
41:35awareness
41:36on
41:36these
41:37issues
41:37what about
41:38what is
41:43the
41:44response
41:44being
41:45given
41:45by
41:45the
41:46Japanese
41:46government
41:47to
41:48the
41:48survivors
41:49claims
41:50is it
41:51willing
41:51to
41:52listen
41:52to
41:53their
41:53claims
41:54is it
41:55willing
41:56to
41:57make
41:57their
41:57voices
41:58heard
41:59or
41:59rather
42:00is this
42:04something
42:05that
42:08is not
42:10the
42:12object
42:13of a
42:13shared
42:13consensus
42:14is the
42:19Japanese
42:20government
42:20willing
42:21to
42:21take
42:22the
42:22lead
42:23in
42:23this
42:23battle
42:25towards
42:26the
42:26abolition
42:27of
42:27nuclear
42:27weapons
42:28and I
42:30also
42:31have
42:31a
42:31question
42:31for
42:32Florian
42:33which
42:36concerns
42:37the
42:40review
42:41conference
42:42next year
42:43the
42:44review
42:44conference
42:45of the
42:45non-proliferation
42:46treaty
42:46so my
42:47question
42:47is the
42:48following
42:48what are
42:51the
42:51prospects
42:52of this
42:52review
42:53conference
42:53last
42:54time
42:54we
42:56fell
42:56short
42:57of
42:58even
42:59a
42:59carbon
43:00declaration
43:00so what
43:01are the
43:02moves
43:02that are
43:03being
43:03embarked
43:04on
43:04that you
43:04have
43:05promoted
43:07and I
43:08mean
43:08what is
43:09happening
43:09at the
43:10level of
43:10individual
43:11member states
43:12to promote
43:12this
43:13review
43:13conference
43:14and lastly
43:14I would
43:16like
43:16to
43:19remind
43:20what could
43:20be the
43:21impact
43:21of
43:22nuclear
43:22bomb
43:23today
43:23so
43:25what if
43:26we know
43:27what happened
43:28in Hiroshima
43:28and Nagasaki
43:29eight years
43:30ago
43:30but no
43:31country
43:32beyond
43:33the
43:34US
43:34have
43:35nuclear
43:35bombs
43:36well today
43:37there are nine
43:38countries that
43:39have
43:39nuclear
43:40bombs
43:40so
43:41here's my
43:42question
43:42if one
43:46of these
43:47countries
43:48managed
43:49to drop
43:50this bomb
43:51what would
43:52be the
43:53consequences
43:53for humanity
43:54as a whole
43:55maybe we
43:56need to
43:57say it out
43:57loud
43:58that there
43:59are spiller
44:00effects
44:00breaking
44:01mad
44:02effects
44:02which
44:03must
44:04be
44:05a
44:06memento
44:06for us
44:07to push
44:07for the
44:08abolition
44:08of nuclear
44:09weapons
44:09thank you
44:10and without
44:10further ado
44:11I'll give
44:11the floor
44:12to Mr.
44:13Yishima
44:14for the
44:14replies
44:15and then
44:15to Mr.
44:16Epplenkamp
44:17the floor
44:17is yours
44:18日本政府は
44:20アメリカとの
44:22軍事同盟が
44:23大切であるとして
44:24我々の
44:26意見に
44:27耳をかしません
44:28アンケートによれば
44:30国民の7割が
44:32核兵器禁止条約に
44:33入るべきと
44:35言っております
44:36しかし
44:37ICANが
44:38ノーベル賞を
44:40受けた時に
44:41サーロセスコさんの
44:43演説の中で
44:44おっしゃいましたけれども
44:45国民の意見と
44:48政府の意見が
44:49これだけ
44:50帰りした国はないと
44:51おっしゃいました
44:52実はその通りだ
44:54というふうに
44:55思いますし
44:56日本政府は
44:59核兵器禁止条約は
45:01日本政府は
45:13日本政府の
45:14日本政府は
45:15what the U.S. had done in the aftermath of the Second World War
45:19to rebuild the country.
45:21Of course, there are protests happening on behalf of citizens
45:26with regard to nuclear disarmament.
45:28But I must also say that the state has different plans
45:34other than citizens' plans.
45:36We cannot claim that citizens' goals and government's goals overlap.
45:42They're different.
45:43So despite the Ngonhi-Danki was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize,
45:51the willingness of Japan to do away with atomic bombs
45:59is not still resolute.
46:05So our claims and our government claims are not exactly the same.
46:11U.S.
46:1360kgの冷たウラニウムのうち、
46:16核爆発したのはわずか7g、
46:20ピンポン球1個分の量と言われています。
46:23それであの酸化です。
46:25ビキニ原爆水爆実験は広島の1000倍です。
46:30一発で日本は壊滅する。
46:32こんなものが戦争で兵隊同士で使えるわけがない。
46:37地球は破滅します。
46:38the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
46:49if compared to the bombs of government,
46:54that governments have today are nothing,
46:56are a little thing.
46:58di oggi i bombi sono 100 volte più forte
47:01che i bombi che sono stati iniziati
47:04quindi
47:05sono una arma di mass destruction
47:10che all'innihilate
47:12l'humanità as a whole
47:14quindi se i moderni bombi
47:16si sono stati iniziati
47:17l'humanità as a whole
47:20si è iniziato
47:22si è iniziato
47:52Quindi, ma l'aerea, la Cone della trentallazione della gelatina di scuola di amore,
48:03sul consiglio dei bravo di amore di amore di rispettare,
48:06come gli uonissesi,
48:09gestione delle cattano di amore di amore.
48:12Eccolo di scottlandi anche della scottotlanda del scuola di amore.
48:17Sono stati della città.
48:21Grazie a tutti.
48:51Grazie a tutti.
49:21Grazie a tutti.
49:23Grazie.
50:25Grazie a tutti.
50:27Grazie a tutti.
50:29Grazie a tutti.
51:31Grazie a tutti.
51:33Grazie a tutti.
51:35Grazie a tutti.
51:37Grazie a tutti.
52:09Grazie a tutti.
52:11Grazie a tutti.
53:11Grazie a tutti.
53:13Grazie a tutti.
53:15Grazie a tutti.
53:17Grazie a tutti.
53:19Grazie a tutti.
53:21Grazie a tutti.
53:23Grazie a tutti.
53:25Grazie a tutti.
53:27Grazie a tutti.
53:29Grazie a tutti.
53:31Grazie a tutti.
53:33.
54:03Grazie a tutti.
54:05Grazie a tutti.
54:07Grazie a tutti.
54:09Grazie a tutti.
54:11Grazie a tutti.
54:13Grazie a tutti.
54:15Grazie a tutti.
54:17Grazie a tutti.
54:19Grazie a tutti.
54:21Grazie a tutti.
54:23Grazie a tutti.
54:53We will follow up on your requests and we'll table the resolution I mentioned.
55:02As I said, there is a scarce willingness on behalf of the ruling government
55:09to bring this matter forward, but we will be relentless in our endeavor.
55:14We have said, as we have seen it in the past,
55:18despite the unanimous approval of resolutions,
55:22the government does not follow up on these unanimous decisions.
55:28So despite this, say, democracy flaws,
55:35we will stand firm on our endeavors.
55:41And I hope we will participate as observers,
55:47and I hope in the review treaty and the review conference next year.
55:52And I hope parliamentarians will participate in greater numbers.
55:57After all, we can have an impact on government's decision makers, too.
56:01I wish.
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