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00:00Welcome, you're watching To The Point. I'm Preeti Chowdhury.
00:02Lots has happened in the last 24 hours.
00:04While there has been a certain amount of fixation on how the Mahagat Bandhan
00:08is yet to reach on a seat-sharing formula,
00:11even though the first phase of nomination date today is over.
00:16It was to be the 17th.
00:17Yet no seat-sharing formula in the midst of all of this.
00:21It was the Home Minister speaking with our sister-concern, Ajita, yesterday,
00:26where he let the cats amongst the pigeons.
00:29When questioned, will Nitish Kumar be the Chief Minister of Bihar,
00:36he said that decision will be only taken after elections,
00:41not announcing him as the chief ministerial face,
00:44stating that the election is being fought under his leadership,
00:48but a question mark on the fact whether he will continue as Chief Minister.
00:53Battleground Bihar is all set.
01:09But there's a tug of war over Chief Ministerial face in both ruling and opposition camps.
01:14GDU from the very beginning hit the ground running with Nitish Kumar
01:20as their declared CM candidate.
01:23BJP seems to believe in leaving it open-ended rather than sealed.
01:44It's the same thing as they will be in the streets.
01:46After our elections, when we're sitting,
01:49we'll sit back from the council and sit back up on our leadership.
01:54Now we are, is about to fight against Nitish Kumar Ji?
01:58And our leadership of Nitish Kumar Ji is about to fight against Nitish Kumar Ji.
02:02The union home minister met the two-decade-old chief minister of Bihar, Nitish Kumar,
02:23to fine-tune the final poll campaign strategy on Friday.
02:27But his non-committal comment over the CEM phase in Bihar election 2025 has put a dampener in NDA camp while GDU tries to bravely salvage the situation.
02:57The union home minister of Bihar, Nitish Kumar,
03:26The grand alliance too is divided over fighting the election with a pre-set chief ministerial face.
03:48While RGD insists and pushes for Tijasvi Yadav to be named as the CEM phase, Congress shies away.
03:56But as soon as the grand old party smelled drift in NDA over Nitish as the CEM phase, it was quick to pick up on it.
04:17The nomination filing for the first phase of Bihar election has ended and there's only three more days left for the second phase nomination to get over.
04:36The Mahagat Bandhan is still not clear with its seat share formula.
04:41But as the clock ticks, candidate lists are being announced by the opposition alliance as well.
04:46That indicate a possible friendly contest in some seats within the grand alliance.
04:52Bureau Report, India Today.
04:54All right viewers, so while there are questions that still remain on how is it that the Mahagat Bandhan still hasn't come up or reached upon a seat sharing formula,
05:08even though the first phase of signing, filing nominations is over today.
05:16There was another big controversy and that was the India Today interview that the Home Minister, Amit Shah, gave to our sister concern.
05:23Ajitak yesterday, which practically now has put a question mark on if Nitish Kumar at all will be the chief minister of Bihar if the NDA wins the elections.
05:34Let's cut across to our guest this evening. Joining me right now, Dr. Sanjay Kumar, spokesperson JDU, Professor Rakesh Ranjan, National Spokesperson RJD, Anshul Avijit, National Spokesperson Congress, Alok Watts, BJP member.
05:47I'd like to begin with the JDU spokesperson, Dr. Sanjay Kumar.
05:50Dr. Sanjay Kumar, there were two questions that the NDA was asking.
05:53Of course, on the fact that first phase of nominations is over, the Mahagat Bandhan's official list of candidates in terms of a seat sharing formula has still not been reached upon or announced.
06:08But, Dr. Sanjay Kumar, the point was that you had your house in order.
06:13Multiple times you have come on my show and said, Nitish Kumar is going to be the next chief minister.
06:17The home minister didn't quite say that. He said, we'll see after election who becomes chief minister.
06:24The election is being fought under the banner of Nitish Kumar. That doesn't mean he will be chief minister, Dr. Sanjay Kumar.
06:30That's what most people are inferring.
06:32Yeah, so that's the inference and or the narrative opposition and the media folks are drawing.
06:40And that's completely up to them.
06:44But, you know, as he was explaining the process, like Honorable Home Minister was explaining the process.
06:53And the process is that at this point of time, Nitish Kumar is the leader.
06:59He also appreciated Nitish Ji's leadership.
07:03You know, if you remember, he said that he is among few, you know, most respected leaders in our country.
07:13You know, when we talk about Indian politics, Nitish Ji has certainly, you know, like, he certainly commands a respect.
07:23And he said that he will be leading, he's leading our campaign, he's leading India's campaign.
07:29And then he spoke about the process. That's the process. That's the usual process.
07:34That once it is, you know, like, how he can announce that who will be the chief minister.
07:40You know, he did not even...
07:41Dr. Sanjay Kumar, it's amazing that you're actually sitting here and defending the BJP or ally
07:46because you should be more worried on the JDU's lot because you're saying how can he announce it?
07:50Of course he can.
07:51You have been putting pressure on the Mahagat Bandhan.
07:54And why is it... Hear me out, sir.
07:56Why is it that the Congress is not announcing Tejasvi Yadav as the chief ministerial face?
08:01It's very normal to announce a chief ministerial face before you go into election.
08:05You tell me, Dr. Sanjay Kumar, will Nitish Kumar, if you win the election, be the chief minister or not?
08:10Are you going to explain the process to me?
08:12Or are you going to say, yes, Nitish Kumar will be CM?
08:15Yeah, of course. He will be our CM. He will be the chief minister.
08:18Why is that not conveyed to the BJP there?
08:20Because our campaign is, you know, if you are talking to me as JDU spokesperson,
08:26you know, that's been our campaign.
08:28Do hajar pachees, firse nitish.
08:31You know, that's our campaign.
08:33So we are very clear...
08:34Why hasn't the campaign then, sir, filtered down to the BJP?
08:38Because yesterday was an opportunity for Amitraji to make it very clear that,
08:44yes, we are fighting the election under the banner of Nitish Kumar and he is our CM face.
08:49Yes. He said so. He said that...
08:51He didn't say he is our CM face, sir.
08:52He said that we are fighting the election under the leadership of CM.
08:57And then when questioned on whether Nitish Kumar will be the CM face,
09:01he said it will be decided post-elections.
09:05Yeah. So he said that, you know, the MLAs, elected MLAs,
09:10they will elect their own party leaders and the party leaders will elect.
09:14Okay. So a huge possibility...
09:16But he did not deny, you know, so...
09:18Okay. So, sir, sir, a huge possibility of it could be that, Dr. Sanjay Kumar,
09:23that the BJP gets more number of seats than the JDU
09:26and the Vidhayak Dal or the elected MLAs pick up BJP chief minister.
09:31He also said that the same thing happened in the last election.
09:35But he was given the chief ministerial propose.
09:36Sir, it's quite interesting because, you know, you've been on my show a number of times.
09:40You've attacked the RJD and the Congress saying,
09:43why haven't they come up with the chief ministerial face?
09:45Why is the Congress hedging on announcing Tejasvi are the CM face?
09:48And today you're actually defending your ally that hasn't named your leader as the CM face.
09:54Look, Priti, if you want to compare with Mahagadbandan, you know, it's in complete mess.
10:00There is no comparison.
10:02You know that.
10:03You have been watching the election very closely.
10:05The way we have pulled out everything in order, you know, so it's not, there's no comparison.
10:13Today was the last day of filing nomination and they don't know yet who is where.
10:18Okay, that's a point, that's a point.
10:20Anshula Avijit, leave alone announcing Tejasvi Yadav as the chief ministerial face.
10:25We still don't know what the seat sharing formula is.
10:28And lo behold, phase one of nomination filing is over, sir.
10:33No, we know what it is.
10:34It has certainly not been announced.
10:37You know, I can't preempt that decision.
10:39That's not my brief.
10:40I would be exceeding it.
10:41We certainly know what is happening.
10:43Look, you're absolutely right.
10:44I mean, it's been pushed to the brink.
10:46I don't deny that.
10:48It's been pushed to the very edge.
10:49This happens.
10:50It's a completely normalized procedure in Indian politics.
10:54It's been followed for the last 75 years, if not since the prehistoric times, when there
10:59are lots of twists and turns, when there are heart-stopping moments.
11:03I mean, I never said that politics is for the faint-hearted.
11:06You know, these things happen.
11:07It's always been happening that way, not just now, but with the other camp as well, if I
11:11can be even-handed.
11:12It happens all the time.
11:14It happened during the Janata time.
11:15It happened numerously during the Congress years with emphatic winds.
11:18It is a completely healthy, normal process, which is going to reach a conclusion when
11:24the announcement is made.
11:25There is nothing to worry about.
11:26It's nothing out of the unusual, Preeti.
11:28People who studied, who are political historians as you are, know that this is this kind of process.
11:33It's nothing to get upset about.
11:35But the main critical point is here that this has no bearing on the ground.
11:39People don't decide on who they are going to vote for depending on the delays in seat
11:44announcement.
11:45When is that ever going to be a factor?
11:48What is a factor in Bihar at the moment is the complete decimation of the economy, the
11:53way that health and civic infrastructure has crumbled.
11:57There is poverty.
11:58There is no investment.
11:59There is no industry.
12:01Law and order has collapsed.
12:02These are the essential things that people will look at.
12:05The Mahagatbandhan as a unified whole will go to the people.
12:09They have pressed their case.
12:10They will do it again.
12:12And then we will wait.
12:13We know that we are the clear winners here.
12:15We know that we have a clear edge here.
12:17But if you don't believe me, let's wait for the 14th.
12:20May the best people win.
12:21May the best coalition win.
12:22You know, it's not about whether I believe you or not believe you.
12:25You know, ultimately, it's going to, what will count is on the ballot.
12:27And if you're seeming to suggest that it doesn't matter, it does matter.
12:31Optics matter a lot in politics, sir.
12:34So it does show the cohesiveness and the unity of your alliance.
12:36No, certainly optics matter in certain news channels where they're pressing for an answer.
12:42They were continuously pressing for an answer with regard to the CM face.
12:46Now, the BJP spokesperson and all their spokespersons must be feeling a bit embarrassed,
12:51if not utterly foolish, for having denied that all along with this new announcement.
12:57We knew that all along.
12:58It has never been announced.
12:59We were clearly saying it.
13:01How must they be feeling?
13:03Look, listen.
13:04Right, okay.
13:04But, you know, I think it's a little tad rich, Anshul Avijit, to point fingers where the NDA is concerned.
13:10Because seemingly, they have their house more in order in optics.
13:13You might suggest that, you know, these are the ploys of television news channels.
13:18But tell me how else does one look at the cohesiveness, the unity of an alliance?
13:22I think this would be one of the benchmarks.
13:24But let the people decide that.
13:25That it's very rare that, has it ever happened, that a seat-sharing formula is not announced
13:30and yet the first phase of filing nominations is over.
13:34No, no, it's quite common.
13:35You look at the last Lok Sabha elections.
13:37It's pretty common.
13:39Look, if one is a politician...
13:41The last Lok Sabha elections in what, sir?
13:44No, no, the last Lok Sabha elections in this country.
13:46Who didn't announce?
13:47You announced?
13:48India Alliance announced their seat-sharing formula?
13:50No, no, it was phase-wise.
13:52It went till many...
13:55There were numerous phases.
13:56Phases.
13:57So you're saying it happened in phases.
13:59Hang on a minute.
14:00It did not happen in the way you expect it to.
14:03There are no order...
14:04This is politics.
14:05There are no ordered expectations.
14:07Things happen when they do.
14:09They culminate when they do.
14:10Particularly when there's a coalition involved.
14:12It's not unusual.
14:13I'll come back to you, sir.
14:14Alok Vatsji, I want to bring you into this conversation.
14:17Alok Vatsji, it's a little bizarre, no?
14:20The election will be fought under the banner of Nitish Kumar.
14:24Yet, when it comes to the question of Nitish Kumar being the CM face,
14:27that decision by the BJP will be made post-result.
14:32So he's not the CM face.
14:36Look, it's very evident to the people of Bihar
14:41that the NDA is fighting these elections
14:45with the face of Nitish Kumar in front.
14:50And the achievements that he have done
14:52in his 20 years of rule,
14:56these are the highlights of the NDA
14:58to go to the people.
15:01But the way
15:01the Mahagadbandan has...
15:04Till date, they are not still...
15:06They are in total disarray.
15:08There is no...
15:09Fighting over a few seats.
15:15And the message that has gone to the public
15:17that before elections,
15:20they are in disarray.
15:21One second, sir.
15:22Whether they are in disarray or not,
15:24that's a separate question
15:25that can be addressed later.
15:27I'll just ask you that question again.
15:29Will Nitish Kumar be the CM face or not?
15:32Because the Home Minister yesterday
15:33made it very clear
15:34that he will not be.
15:35Well, he did not say that.
15:41He said that the...
15:42He said that decision will be made
15:44after election, sir.
15:47As of now,
15:49the people of Bihar know that
15:50the NDA is fighting
15:51under the leadership of Nitish Kumar
15:53and he is going to be the face
15:55at the CM.
15:58But yes,
15:59some doubts have been raised
16:00because of Amit Shah's statement.
16:03But I think
16:03people will still think
16:05that the CM Nitish Kumar
16:07is going to be the Chief Minister.
16:07But at least you admit
16:08that some doubts have been raised.
16:10Now, I want to cut across
16:11with the RGD.
16:11Obviously,
16:12with such a statement,
16:15people can go,
16:16you know,
16:16think otherwise also.
16:17All right.
16:17Professor Rakesh Ranjan,
16:18national spokesperson
16:19of the RGD
16:20is also with us.
16:21Professor Ranjan,
16:23for one minute,
16:24reflect on your own camp
16:25and I'll ask you the same question.
16:26Anshal Avijit
16:27is brazening it out
16:28and saying,
16:28so what if the seed-sharing formula
16:30is not announced?
16:30It doesn't matter.
16:32You know,
16:32what's happening on ground
16:33is what matters.
16:34Two questions,
16:35sir.
16:35Number one,
16:37your ally is doing exactly
16:38what the BJP is doing
16:40to its ally
16:41where refusing to announce
16:43Tejasvi Adhav
16:44as the Chief Ministerial face.
16:45You've done it multiple times.
16:47He has himself done it
16:48multiple times.
16:49But your ally,
16:50Congress,
16:51is not doing it.
16:52Well,
16:55good evening,
16:56and for the finalists
16:58and your viewers
16:59as well.
17:01Well,
17:03if someone wants
17:05to understand
17:05what is going on
17:06in Mahagatma,
17:07then
17:09you must
17:10understand
17:13the difference
17:13between the compromise
17:14and the consent.
17:15here,
17:17we believe
17:20in democracy
17:21and
17:23we are trying
17:25to achieve
17:26and acquire
17:28the consent
17:29of each and every ally.
17:31Here,
17:32there is no dictator
17:33to dictate
17:34our ally
17:35that
17:36this is
17:38the order
17:40and
17:41you have to follow.
17:41Sir,
17:42the discussions
17:42are going into
17:43discussions
17:44have gone into
17:45a night
17:46where now
17:47the first phase
17:48of filing nominations
17:49is over.
17:52Yeah,
17:52yeah.
17:53You are
17:53right.
17:55But
17:55see,
17:58all the
17:58things
17:59have been done.
18:01Just you are
18:02saying
18:02about
18:04the formal
18:05declaration
18:05about
18:06all the
18:06things.
18:08If you are
18:08thinking
18:09the declaration
18:11of
18:12the CM
18:13candidate,
18:14then
18:14it is not
18:16only our
18:17allied partner
18:17but each
18:19and every
18:19people of
18:20Bihar,
18:21each and every
18:22section
18:22of the
18:23people,
18:23each and every
18:24region of
18:25Bihar
18:25are
18:26itself
18:27and
18:29already
18:30declared.
18:30Okay.
18:31Because
18:31we are
18:32great
18:32in the
18:32direction
18:33and
18:34they all
18:35have
18:35declared
18:35that
18:36now
18:36they
18:36are
18:36going to
18:39decide
18:40when they
18:41need to
18:41decide.
18:41The last
18:42vote is
18:42counted.
18:4330 seconds
18:44to all of
18:44you.
18:44I want
18:45to begin
18:45with the
18:45J.D.U.
18:46spokesperson
18:46who has
18:46been wanting
18:47to make
18:47an interjection.
18:48Go ahead,
18:48sir.
18:49Yeah,
18:49so,
18:50Priti,
18:50I just
18:51wanted to
18:51add what
18:52I said.
18:53You know,
18:53also listen
18:54to the
18:54state leaders
18:55of BJP.
18:57For
18:57example,
18:58the
18:58state
18:58president,
18:59Mr.
19:00Dilip
19:00Jaiswal.
19:01You know,
19:01he has
19:02been repeatedly
19:02saying that
19:03we are
19:04fighting the
19:05election
19:05under
19:05Nithish Kumar
19:06Ji,
19:07and he
19:08is our
19:08chief
19:09minister
19:09face.
19:10You know,
19:10he is our
19:10leader.
19:11So,
19:12you know,
19:13what do you
19:14want to
19:15know from
19:15all different
19:16leaders,
19:17national leaders,
19:18state leaders,
19:19you know,
19:19the electors
19:20are going
19:21to come
19:21from the
19:23Bihar,
19:25from the
19:26state,
19:26from Bihar.
19:27You know,
19:27so it's
19:28very clear.
19:29We don't
19:30see any
19:30confusion.
19:31Dr. Kumar,
19:31I would
19:32think you
19:32know that
19:32better that
19:33where the
19:33BJP comes,
19:34the last
19:34word is
19:35the home
19:35minister,
19:36Amit Shah,
19:36especially,
19:37right now
19:38where seat
19:38distribution and
19:40seat sharing
19:40is concerned.
19:41If he
19:42himself has
19:42said,
19:43he's not
19:43saying that
19:43he will
19:44not be,
19:44but he's
19:44not saying
19:45he is
19:45going to
19:45be.
19:46He says
19:46that decision
19:47will be
19:47after the
19:49election results
19:50are declared.
19:51Yeah,
19:51so that is
19:51the process.
19:52That is the
19:53process.
19:53That's the
19:53process.
19:5430 seconds,
19:55Anshul Avijit,
19:56make your
19:56point.
19:57No,
19:58no,
19:58if the
19:58NDA,
19:59if you believe
19:59the things
20:00that they've
20:00got a
20:01head start
20:01because they've
20:02announced
20:02their candidates
20:03a few
20:03hours earlier,
20:04well,
20:05best wishes
20:05to them.
20:06I wish
20:06them all the
20:07best.
20:07They certainly
20:08need it
20:08because they
20:09have a lot
20:09more ground
20:10to cover.
20:11They have
20:11to explain
20:12the decimation
20:13of Bihar
20:14that has
20:14taken place
20:15in the
20:15last 20
20:16years.
20:16We have
20:17pressed our
20:17case against
20:18the people.
20:19We will
20:19continue to
20:20do that
20:20for the
20:20next 20
20:21days.
20:22We know
20:23what has
20:23happened.
20:24In fact,
20:24people can
20:25see it for
20:25themselves.
20:26The
20:26unemployment,
20:27the poverty,
20:28the other
20:28factors that
20:29have led
20:29to the
20:29downfall
20:30of Bihar.
20:30In the
20:31end,
20:31I will
20:31just make
20:31one point.
20:32The results
20:33will be out
20:33on the
20:3414th.
20:34For the
20:35sake of
20:35democracy,
20:36for the
20:36sake of
20:36Bihar,
20:37may the
20:37best
20:37coalition
20:38win.
20:39Alok,
20:39what's
20:39final
20:40comment,
20:40sir?
20:43See,
20:43the people
20:44of Bihar
20:44are getting
20:45the benefits
20:46of all
20:46the
20:47schemes of
20:48the
20:48government
20:48and it
20:50is
20:50perking
20:52down
20:52until
20:52the
20:53last
20:54poor
20:56person,
20:56100%
20:57what is
20:58being given
20:58to them.
20:59They are
21:00quite satisfied
21:00with the
21:01development
21:01of the
21:02government.
21:03If you
21:04compare it
21:04with the
21:05Lalu's
21:05regime,
21:06the
21:06Jungle
21:06Raj,
21:07there was
21:07no electricity,
21:08there was
21:08no power.
21:09So,
21:10you are
21:10saying
21:10irrespective
21:11whether the
21:11CM face
21:11will be
21:12announced or
21:12not,
21:12it's going
21:13to be
21:13the NDA.
21:13I want
21:14to bring
21:14in
21:14Professor
21:15Ranjan,
21:1530 seconds,
21:16sir,
21:16make your
21:16point.
21:16Certainly,
21:17Nithis
21:20Kumar is
21:20going to
21:21be the
21:21chief
21:21minister.
21:22Make
21:22your
21:22point,
21:22sir.
21:24Prithid,
21:25Mahagandran is
21:27thinking about
21:27the game
21:29to revive
21:30the pride
21:30of Bihar.
21:31That's
21:31why
21:32every section
21:34of Bihar
21:34has now
21:35declared that
21:37now they
21:38want to
21:39change the
21:40present regime
21:41of Bihar
21:42because the
21:44present regime
21:45of Bihar
21:45is failed
21:48in each and
21:50every sector
21:51of the Bihar,
21:51be it the
21:52health,
21:53the education,
21:54the corruption.
21:54It's quite
21:55interesting.
21:56So you
21:56also maintain
21:57irrespective
21:58whether the
21:58seat sharing
21:59is announced,
21:59whether they
21:59just be
22:00announced or
22:01not,
22:01it will be
22:01the people
22:02of Bihar
22:03will be
22:03voting for
22:03the Mahagat
22:04Bandhan.
22:04Like I
22:05said,
22:05viewers,
22:05we'll only
22:06know when
22:06that last
22:06vote is
22:07counted come
22:07the 14th.
22:08I appreciate
22:08all four
22:09gentlemen for
22:09joining us.
22:10We're going
22:10to leave it
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26:42All right, guys.
26:45Welcome.
26:46We have the star cast of
26:47Thama as our Diwali special
26:49on India today.
26:51It's touted to be a
26:52Thama ke dar Diwali.
26:53That's what I've been told.
26:55The film releases a day
26:56after Diwali.
26:57I have the star cast with me.
26:58Joining me, Ayushman Kurana,
27:00Mandana and Nawazuddin Siddhki.
27:03Welcome, guys.
27:03Thank you for coming on
27:05India today, joining us for
27:07this brief 20-minute chat.
27:08But first up, Mandana,
27:10why don't you start?
27:10What is Thama?
27:12Thama, we can say it, no?
27:16We can.
27:17Yeah, yeah.
27:17What we discussed.
27:18Okay, so Thama is the
27:21creatures that never die.
27:22They've derived it from
27:23Ashwa Thama.
27:26So because Betals are
27:28creatures that never die,
27:30we thought it was a
27:31perfect fit.
27:32And of course, Madoc just
27:35wanted to give a meaning to
27:37the word Thama.
27:38And today, here we are.
27:39But Rashmika, so he plays
27:41it seems at least in the promo
27:44of what a little bit I've seen
27:46that Ayushman plays a vampire.
27:49It seems Betal.
27:50We call it a Betal.
27:51And it's very indonized.
27:54It's part of our folklore.
27:55Jab se vampire to se pehle
27:57Betal aya te.
27:57So they probably...
27:59The OG of vampire.
28:00Yes, absolutely.
28:02And I'm a commoner,
28:04but when he gets the powers,
28:05he doesn't know how to deal
28:06with these powers.
28:07So that's how the comedy
28:08comes out.
28:09And Rashmika, are you also
28:10because it's called a
28:11creature film.
28:12It's not a creature film.
28:14It's not a creature film.
28:14It's not a creature film.
28:15Okay.
28:16It's a genesis,
28:17it's an origin film
28:18of Betal.
28:20And Thama is the most
28:22powerful Betal.
28:23And the word Thama
28:24comes from Ashwa Thama.
28:26Are you also a part of
28:28one of, you know,
28:29I won't say creature now
28:31because you said
28:31it's not a creature film,
28:32but are you also
28:33from the other side?
28:35It seems that there is
28:36this mystic touch to you,
28:37at least like I said,
28:38with whatever little bit I know.
28:39I play something.
28:42But it's a thing.
28:43Could be anything.
28:44Okay.
28:44But you play something.
28:46Something.
28:47But could be anything.
28:49We can't reel that.
28:50I got that.
28:51But Nawazuddin Ji,
28:52you are Thama,
28:53want to be Thama?
28:55Anything.
28:55Anything.
28:56You're also anything.
28:57So okay,
28:57this is fun.
28:58Only one person
29:00who says that
29:00I am playing Betal,
29:03which was, you know,
29:04right before even vampires.
29:06Both of them are
29:06playing something.
29:08We don't know
29:08what they are playing,
29:09but they are playing something.
29:11Okay, something.
29:11Is it a horror film?
29:13Is it a horror film?
29:14Horror comedy.
29:15Horror comedy.
29:16So it is on the lines of three.
29:19So there's a bit of comedy,
29:20all of that.
29:21Right?
29:22Okay.
29:23Ayushman,
29:24the fact is you're known,
29:25you have a genre of your own.
29:26You know,
29:26there are genres
29:27and whoever I've spoken to
29:29and correct me if I'm wrong
29:30because,
29:30you know,
29:31I'm not an entertainment journalist.
29:33I cover very different beats,
29:34but I've been told that
29:35Ayushman is a genre of his own
29:37because he's done so much
29:38from here,
29:38else and everywhere,
29:39so you really don't know.
29:40You know,
29:41you can't pin him down
29:41to something.
29:42What attracted you to Tham?
29:44Because it's different for me.
29:46I have been doing
29:48social comedies in the past.
29:50I've dealt with taboo subjects.
29:52I've dabbled with a lot
29:53of other genres
29:54and even Andadun,
29:55Article 15
29:55or other array of social comedies.
29:58But this time around,
29:59it's fantastical.
30:00It's not real.
30:01Okay.
30:02So I've done a lot
30:03of realistic films.
30:04So it's different for me
30:06because this is fantastical.
30:07There's a lot of action.
30:10There's a supernatural element
30:11and you're asking that
30:13this is a horror comedy.
30:14I think it's more of comedy,
30:15romance, action
30:16and then horror
30:17because for me,
30:18it's a perfect Diwali release.
30:20Even kids can enjoy this film.
30:22Kids can see this film.
30:23Of course, they can.
30:24That's because we have
30:25toned down the horror.
30:26So the rating is what?
30:27UA?
30:27Of course it is UA.
30:29UA.
30:29In fact, you may be.
30:30I don't know.
30:31Could be.
30:32I think that's also something we do.
30:33No, no, wait, wait.
30:34CBSC screening happened yesterday.
30:35What's the rating we've gotten?
30:37We're at UA.
30:39UA.
30:39UA.
30:39All right.
30:40Okay.
30:41So anyone can go
30:42and watch that film.
30:43Yes.
30:43Like I would be terrified
30:46to be a part of a horror film,
30:48like a full horror film.
30:50But because this is a horror comedy,
30:52which is comedy more
30:52and horror less,
30:54I could be a part of it.
30:56Otherwise, I'd be scared
30:57of my own.
30:58Otherwise, you wouldn't.
30:59I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:00I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:00Very easily.
31:00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:01Very easily.
31:02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:03Namazuddin Ji,
31:04what attracted you
31:05to play this thing in Thama?
31:07It's been a lot of
31:08and I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:09I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:09I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:10So, I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:11So, I'm too scared.
31:12So, I'm too scared, ma'am.
31:13This is a thing.
31:14You have to understand.
31:15Investigative journalism.
31:16You already investigated journalism.
31:18I'm too scared.
31:18So, I'm too scared.
31:19But you know another you know I think the sheer fact that the three of you picked this film because it also comes from a production house which I think is currently the most successful production house in Bollywood right and film after film and especially you know you call it a
31:49horror comedy the horror com genre nobody's really quite aced it the way Madoc has was this a reason to do it this is my second film with Madoc first one was Bala and it was a huge success and for me I think Madoc horror comedy universe is the most sought after one in Hindi cinema and they have they have built this credibility over the years with back-to-back hits and successful films so
32:19So in a way you know we jammed on the subject during pandemic and it evolved into a beautiful script and here we are and I believe in Dinesh's vision and he's a great friend apart from being the producer of Madoc and that's about it's about just creative minds coming together and making something unique and disruptive.
32:41You know was this the reason Rashmika because a lot of you know times at least with what you've seen in the past where top names from the industry don't haven't usually picked the genre because it hasn't worked it's too tacky it's you know you don't need big names but at least it seems the last couple of films from Madoc has changed that was that also something that attracted you because if you look at three is something that was very doable you know very watchable very doable.
33:07Well for me what happens is we are so most of the time compared and you know our names have been taken together with different artists constantly.
33:21But what my identity today would be the characters that I am playing today.
33:28I think that's the most exciting and this is not something I knew before.
33:33I had to say I had to work the last six years seven years to understand ki boss yehi karna tha mujhe you know like this is this is the exciting part of it being able to portray such variety of characters doing such different spectrum of films.
33:51And if you watch any of my recent films I don't want audience to have this typecast ki she is only going to be you know a part of probably you know very big commercial films or very niche films or you know girl next door or you know the story which revolves around her.
34:14A subjugated woman like Gitanjali in animal.
34:16Yeah I don't I don't want to be subject to like typecast to anything anything I could do anything I could play a character of anyone or any creature or do literally anything and I still want to be convincing you know I want audience to be surprised when they've worked so hard for the tickets and for the money for the tickets and they come and watch you in the 70mm screen.
34:42Namazuddin Ji what will be different because just three me dekha is it the same kind of humor the same kind of punchlines is it different or is it a classic madoc horror com film that you're going into.
34:54Of course you say like you know what you're getting into.
34:57Aashwan has told me that horror elements of comedy in a small world that is more of a small world which is being created in the world.
35:15Because of course, our audience is very demanding, so there are a lot of things in it.
35:20There is romance, the songs are trending so much, beautiful songs.
35:24And of course, there is also a horror element, comedy.
35:27So there are all things, because the audience demands and it is a festival season.
35:35So like we've seen in Madoc films, everything comes together, it's like one universe.
35:40So is there going to be a bhaedya, is there going to be a stree?
35:43You'll have to watch. We'll all have to watch.
35:49Crossing each other's paths in the universe, that's why it's called a universe.
35:52Exactly.
35:53So that's the most exciting part of it.
35:55You know, all of you and I, you know, because you're all in Delhi, so the team is in Delhi.
35:59You're sniffling, you're sniffling. You must be careful, there's a viral going on.
36:03But, so, but, and you must.
36:07But too, I don't know if it's a light car, if it's a shift.
36:10I can see it from the AC.
36:13No, but Delhi, you know, coming into Delhi, promoting your film.
36:17But coming back to your set.
36:20Did any of you ever get spooked?
36:23You know, it's a horror, like it's okay, it's not horror, but mostly comedy.
36:26But there's an element of horror or supernatural.
36:28I don't actually.
36:29Did you get spooked, Trevor? Was there a moment you guys got spooked?
36:31I get scared of humans.
36:32There's something surreal on the set.
36:33I get scared of more of humans than ghosts, I think.
36:36Humans are more scary.
36:37Ha.
36:38So you believe in this other energy.
36:40I'm saying humans are more scary.
36:41But you believe in this other energy.
36:43That there is this other energy.
36:44I'm agnostic about it.
36:45There was one incident when I was shooting in Chael once.
36:48Tell us.
36:49In Chael Palace.
36:50I want to know.
36:51Seriously.
36:52So I was shooting for a song and I had an early morning shift.
36:55At 3 a.m. I hear this something knocking in the room.
36:58Oh, no.
36:59Swami, Swami, Swami.
37:02Okay, bono doesn't matter.
37:04Huh?
37:05Just spray.
37:06That's what I'm saying. Swami, Swami, Swami, Swami.
37:08I mean spray.
37:09Oh, spray.
37:11Because the viral is there.
37:12Listen, most times I stay alone, so.
37:14Okay, fine.
37:15No, I agree.
37:16So there was a knock.
37:17I switched on the lights.
37:18And I realized that the knock was coming from like inside the wardrobe.
37:24Is it?
37:25Are you trying to spook us?
37:26No, no, no.
37:27It happened for real.
37:28So I opened the wardrobe.
37:29Nothing was there.
37:30And my lights were on.
37:32I just, I started having a conversation with that person, whatever entity.
37:35That I have an early morning shift.
37:38Let's be like, let's respect each other.
37:41Mutual respect.
37:42I'm not saying anything to you.
37:43You don't bother me.
37:44I have an early morning shift.
37:45I have to look good.
37:46So let me sleep.
37:49It didn't came out.
37:50It didn't come back.
37:51So you had like, you actually could go and face.
37:55Have a conversation.
37:56There was no face.
37:57I was just talking.
37:58As in, no, you could face whatever that thing was.
38:00It was in the wardrobe.
38:01I think it was somewhere inside the closet.
38:03I also had the same incident in Kota when I was reporting for election.
38:06Kota Palace.
38:07There is something about palaces.
38:08So different.
38:09That is a good post.
38:10The conspiracy theory is that there were a lot of mice.
38:15So I thought it would be a rodent, the sound would be.
38:18This is a conspiracy theory.
38:19But how can this sound come?
38:22Repeatedly.
38:23Because I'm a rationalist.
38:24Repeatedly.
38:25Repeatedly.
38:26No, it's not.
38:27It's not like that.
38:28It's not like that.
38:29It's not like that.
38:30Nothing like that.
38:31Okay, but so that's an incident.
38:32Now, Wazuddin had an incident.
38:33Do you have an incident?
38:34Yes, I had an incident.
38:35Yes, I had an incident that I was very...
38:38Rashmika?
38:39Yes.
38:40I won't know.
38:41But people are going to be like, okay, don't over act.
38:44So I'm just like, don't.
38:45Listen to me first.
38:46Yes.
38:47I had an incident that I was sitting in the jungle.
38:50It was an old building.
38:52This film?
38:53No.
38:54First of all.
38:55First of all.
38:56Yes.
38:57So I've only listened to two people's voices.
38:59So they were asking, actually, of course, that's the truth.
39:02So one of the other's words was asking,
39:04can I not show you where you are?
39:06That's the truth, I can not show you.
39:08That's the truth.
39:09That's the truth.
39:10That's a joke.
39:11Clearly?
39:12I mean, my heart was beating on my chest.
39:17Yes.
39:18I heard it.
39:19I saw it.
39:20So one of the other's words was telling you,
39:22I didn't show you.
39:23Then ask me, do you have confidence in humans?
39:27But you know, there is a thing that if you're, you know,
39:29if it's a film set or the, you know, the film is about, you know,
39:33something supernatural or usually there was an incident.
39:36So nothing like that.
39:37It all went out and all fun and games.
39:39Ma'am, let me tell you.
39:40Call me Priti.
39:41We were so busy every day of the shoot.
39:46We're not even joking.
39:48Yeah.
39:49Like it was a 12 hour shift.
39:50We had to come pre-call time and we would finish like one hour,
39:53like after.
39:54So there was no time for anything but work.
39:57Yeah.
39:58I get it.
39:59Like genuinely.
40:00Who was most fun out of the group?
40:01Huh?
40:02Most fun.
40:03And there was no time for.
40:04No time for fun.
40:05No, no.
40:06It was quite hectic.
40:07It was very hectic.
40:08Because we also, it's I think probably the first film which is so big,
40:14which has been shot in such less number of days.
40:17How many?
40:1855 days.
40:1955 days.
40:20Yes.
40:21We had to finish because we had timelines to cover.
40:23Diwali.
40:24But we were just like working throughout, through and through.
40:28So.
40:29Who remembered their lines?
40:30Or who forgot their lines actually?
40:33We were pretty sorted.
40:35Yeah.
40:36You were all on queue huh?
40:37Nobody here.
40:38Okay.
40:39Whose dabba was the best?
40:40You also called dabba.
40:42Why?
40:43Why?
40:44It's a very Bombay lingo.
40:45Really?
40:46Dabba no.
40:47Dabba is Delhi also.
40:48Our office in our office.
40:49What happens?
40:50Whose dabba was the best?
40:52Yours?
40:53Dabba.
40:54Rashmikas?
40:55No.
40:56My food is very bland.
40:58Yeah.
40:59I'm always staying in a hotel and stuff like that so.
41:02Okay.
41:03So but nobody's.
41:04Again.
41:05You know.
41:06Lunch break.
41:07All should disperse.
41:08Have our own food.
41:09Yeah.
41:10And take a quick nap.
41:11Yeah.
41:12And come back.
41:1355 days.
41:14But then if it's 55 days it's bound to happen.
41:15Correct.
41:16But tell me something.
41:17Why release on the 21st?
41:19Usually you see a Friday release.
41:20Why releasing on like on a Tuesday?
41:22What's the reason?
41:23It's a holiday.
41:24That's why.
41:2521st?
41:26Yeah.
41:27Diwali is 20th.
41:28But 21st is also a holiday.
41:29Yeah.
41:30In our world there are no holidays.
41:31Neither Diwali nor 21st.
41:32Correct.
41:33But okay that's why.
41:34That's the reason why.
41:35And Diwali 20th.
41:36It's an idiot.
41:37Yes.
41:38So then.
41:39The next day it's a holiday.
41:40So go and watch it.
41:41Like that.
41:42The next day it's a holiday.
41:43So it's like a long extended weekend.
41:44We don't know.
41:45We don't know.
41:46We don't know.
41:47We don't know.
41:48We don't know.
41:49We don't know.
41:50That's true.
41:51That's true.
41:52You guys are also not.
41:53Yeah.
41:54What is.
41:55If somebody who's gonna go and watch this film.
41:57Other than.
41:58Maddock production house.
41:59From the line up of a stree.
42:00From a line up of a bhaedha.
42:01What is different in this film?
42:02Namazuddin Ji.
42:03Betals.
42:04Yes.
42:05Of course.
42:06Betals.
42:07Yes.
42:08Of course.
42:09Betals.
42:10Yes.
42:11Yes.
42:12Yes.
42:13Yes.
42:14Yes.
42:15Yes.
42:16Yes.
42:17Yes.
42:18Yes.
42:19Yes.
42:20Yes.
42:21Yes.
42:23Yes.
42:24Yes.
42:25Yes.
42:26Yes.
42:27Yes.
42:28As we can see sad moments
42:30Wow.
42:31Hey.
42:32Does that tell rightagers.
42:33Yes.
42:34How will it be?
42:35How will we eat?
42:36This is a very serious mentality.
42:37Taking a legacy of Marriott.
42:40To a sillon level.
42:41Because its genesis.
42:42Thaama is a characters iOS.
42:44And of course they will be crossing each other's paths.
42:46All the characters.
42:47Eventually.
42:48But Thaama, as I said it's different in away because it's about Betals.
42:54It's about betals. It's not about a bhoot or a chudel.
42:58There's no mystery. There's a death of another entity in the film.
43:03And yeah, it's part of the Indian folklore.
43:07What's next, Rashmika, for you?
43:09Ma'am, this year is going to be very, very hectic in terms of releases.
43:14I've had three so far and this is my fourth.
43:17Wow.
43:18And I have the fifth in like 15 days.
43:21What are you saying? Really? 15 days?
43:23Yeah, after the release, which is November 7th, which is The Girlfriend.
43:27Yeah. So it's going to be quite a hectic year.
43:33I'm shooting for three films right now.
43:36So I'm good. Very grateful.
43:38Grateful but packed to the gills.
43:40Nawazuddin ji, what's next?
43:43I'm doing the next film.
43:45I'm doing the next film.
43:47Yes, yes, yes.
43:49And now it's time.
43:50Yeah.
43:51Very ugly film Hai, Pati Patni Aur Woh Do.
43:54And there's one film called...
43:56I can't name the film but it's with Suraj Bhajatiya.
43:58I'm playing Prem in that.
43:59Oh, that's quite cool.
44:01So you're like taking that legacy of Prem now.
44:05There's another one that's Sikkhya and Dharma.
44:07That's also there.
44:08So the year is winding down.
44:10There is Diwali.
44:11If you have one affirmation, you know, they say that put something out in the universe and it comes true.
44:16If you have one affirmation to make or you want to...
44:20You know, the book Secret where you manifest something, what is it that you would manifest?
44:25Because...
44:26I take one day at a time.
44:28I don't manifest.
44:29Zero manifestation.
44:30There's no manifestation.
44:31And whatever life gives me is just like a surprise.
44:34If you think about something, expect something out of it.
44:37I have zero expectation out of anything.
44:38But at the same time, the minimal expectation is that we've made a good product.
44:42And people will like it, watch it.
44:44And I'm not a number guy.
44:45I'm a purist as an artist.
44:46So I feel that they should appreciate what you've done.
44:48You've done something disruptive.
44:49That's about it.
44:50Has there a film that you put a lot in and it didn't quite work the way?
44:53A lot of times.
44:54A lot of them?
44:55Action hero.
44:57That's been your heartbreak.
44:59There's never been a heartbreak.
45:01Other than like, you know, the regular word of heartbreak.
45:03I've never had a heartbreak by the way.
45:04Huh?
45:05No.
45:05No.
45:06No.
45:06Udhar bhi nahi?
45:07Udhar bhi nahi.
45:10You're very lucky.
45:10You are a low heartbreak.
45:12That's really sorry for that guy.
45:15You know, that pushpin off kardu, that's very rare.
45:18That's actually, you know, that's a big thing.
45:20So, really, I'm quite amazed.
45:24It's just the sense of detachment I have at times.
45:26With work and like, I can compartmentalize myself like that.
45:31Like that?
45:32Yeah.
45:32Rashmika?
45:33My manifestations are always very silent, ma'am.
45:36But one thing I've realized is we don't have forever.
45:44Like someday something will happen that we probably will not like,
45:48which is death.
45:49Inevitable.
45:50Inevitable.
45:51And I feel like I just want to pray for everyone's health.
45:55Because that is so tricky.
45:57That is so, like, that just hits you like a storm that you're not expecting.
46:02So, I just hope everyone are healthy, everyone are happy.
46:04Are you somebody who gets anxious very quickly?
46:06Yes.
46:06Yeah, I thought it was that.
46:07Oh, no.
46:08No, no, I am quite the same.
46:10Okay.
46:10I am quite the same.
46:11Because, you know, if suddenly somebody tells me that, you know,
46:15this Pandit is coming or this God pray, I'm an agnostic.
46:18I don't quite, you know, believe.
46:19But if somebody tells me, I'll immediately start saying,
46:21everybody should be healthy.
46:22Everybody should be healthy.
46:22Whether I believe it or not.
46:24You're like that, right?
46:25I'm like that.
46:25Fair amount of anxiety.
46:26But my personal manifestations, I'm a silent manifester.
46:30If manifester is a word.
46:31It is.
46:32You've made one.
46:33Even if not you've made one.
46:36Namazuddin Ji.
46:37I mean, I'm also thinking that we manifest a lot for ourselves.
46:42But I think, in today's time, it's very important that we're doing all for everyone.
46:49So, that you're not a politician or anything.
46:52Tell me about what you're doing.
46:54I'm doing every man.
46:56But what I mean.
46:58That you're going to do a big film.
47:00No, this is a big film.
47:01This is a big film.
47:02It's not interesting.
47:03It's more money.
47:04It's more money.
47:05It's more money.
47:06It's more money.
47:07It's more money.
47:07It's more money.
47:08It's more money.
47:09It's more money.
47:09It's more money.
47:10It's more money.
47:11Happy.
47:11Happy.
47:12My one final question, I'll ask all three of you.
47:15How do you see yourself winding down to December, where the year has gone?
47:19What do you think?
47:20Will you put your feet up somewhere on a lovely holiday and say,
47:23well, this went well?
47:25I'll have a December break.
47:26I have a yearly December break.
47:27You do?
47:27Have you decided where you're going?
47:29Still not decided.
47:30Probably Chandigarh or Sri Lanka.
47:32Chandigarh is beautiful in winter.
47:34Of course, it is beautiful in winter.
47:37I love Chandigarh.
47:39I love going back to Chandigarh.
47:41Really?
47:41So, you'll be in Chandigarh?
47:43I will go to Chandigarh or Sri Lanka.
47:45Or Sri Lanka.
47:46But I'll be like full of gratitude.
47:49Full of gratitude.
47:49Detached.
47:50Whatever has happened, has happened.
47:51Thama is a hit or not.
47:52It's good.
47:53We've made a picture good.
47:54It will be good.
47:55Correct.
47:55Whatever will be good.
47:56Rashmika?
47:57Ma'am, my everyday thought is, I hope everything goes well.
48:03That is present.
48:04You are anxious.
48:07Everything is going well.
48:08I know.
48:09I know.
48:09I know.
48:09Of course, you can't.
48:10Like, you should constantly keep praying for it.
48:14They're so fragile.
48:15You don't know when we lose everything and when we have everything.
48:18It's just whatever.
48:20But year end, I have a yearly break that I take.
48:26Every year, one day to like Jan 4th, 5th, 6th or something.
48:32I'm like, I need to go out with my friends.
48:34I just need to cut off from everything.
48:35That's the only period that I get.
48:37Where are you going?
48:37I don't know if I can say it in national television.
48:41If you want to say it, you don't have to say it.
48:43We have a group of like 16, 17.
48:45Okay, let's go to Chandigarh and Sri Lanka.
48:47No.
48:48No.
48:48So, Chandigarh and Sri Lanka are not going to go.
48:52Chandigarh and Sri Lanka are not going to go.
48:53Nawazuddin Ji, December, what do you think in the last 10 days?
48:57No, it means in our December.
48:58We're doing a promotion in Diwali.
49:01We're doing a promotion in our film.
49:03I'm shooting at that time actually.
49:05Okay, I'm shooting at that time.
49:06Okay, it doesn't matter.
49:07That is also a part of it.
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