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The top focus of this episode of To The Point is the big battle for Bihar. The National Democratic Alliance (NDA) on Friday released its poll manifesto or the Sankalp Patra for the Bihar assembly elections.
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00:00Hello and welcome. You're watching To The Point. I'm Preeti Chaudhary.
00:03We come to you right in front of the Vidhan Sabha in Patna.
00:06Stunning this evening, resplendent.
00:08And our top story comes in from Patna.
00:11Even though election airing has moved way beyond just what manifestos are all about.
00:18Well, today, Patna in Bihar was all about the manifesto release of the NDA.
00:23It was a quick 60-second press conference.
00:25But what it has also lent itself to is the comparison of two manifestos.
00:32That of the NDA and that of the Mahagat Bandhan.
00:35Having said that, the NDA had already made enough promises before the manifesto has come in.
00:40The Mahagat Bandhan has put forth its own sankalpatra or manifesto.
00:46Here is a comparison of both manifestos of the Mahagat Bandhan and the NDA this season.
00:55Less than a week to go for possibly the most unpredictable elections Bihar has seen in decent history.
01:11And perhaps, in a telling indicator of how tumultuous the road so far has been,
01:19the NDA manifesto or the sankalpatra has finally been released.
01:26As expected, the focus is heavily on financially empowering women and generating jobs for the youth.
01:33Two sections of the electorate were likely to be game changers for mandate 2025.
02:03Promises that were immediately dismissed by the opposition's chief minister candidate as a jumla.
02:14Listen in to Teja Shriyadis.
02:33But what was more important in the manifesto was the messaging.
02:47For the first time, the five key constituents of the NDA or the Paj Pandava as has been touted,
02:53together on the same stage, trying to dispel criticism of a rift within the ruling alliance.
02:59But the opposition continues to highlight the cracks within the government,
03:27especially their perceived reluctance in throwing their full weight behind Nithish Kumar
03:32as the NDA's CM face, even after winning elections.
03:36The manifesto is important in the manifesto.
03:39The manifesto is important in the movement.
03:45In that, the people are coming in front of their heads to see their faces.
04:00So the die has been cast and the stage is set for polling to begin on the 6th.
04:14Will the difference between the two warring alliances come down to the fine print of the
04:19promises made in their manifestos or will it be a verdict on the perception battle of
04:24the unity?
04:25We are a report India today.
04:32Alright let's move on to our ground reports now.
04:34In Bihar it is clearly a high stake battle and one name that finds resonance strangely from
04:41all political quarters and sides is Jan Nayak Karpuri Thakur who has just been given the
04:48Bharat Ratna.
04:49Well we travel to Samastipur, Morwa, which now of course is the constituency of Dr.
04:56Jagruti Thakur.
04:58Jagruti Thakur is the granddaughter of Karpuri Thakur who was picked up from the footnotes
05:02of history and practically made the fulcrum of this election where personalities are concerned.
05:08Dr. Jagruti Thakur has entered the political arena, a young face carrying the weight of
05:15the legacy of her grandfather Karpuri Thakur and she is fighting this election under the
05:20banner of Jan Suraj.
05:22Here we caught up with her.
05:31In a major political move, Prashant Kishore's Jan Suraj party has fielded Jagruti Thakur,
05:37granddaughter of Bihar's first non-congress chief minister, Karpuri Thakur from Morwa in
05:43Namastipur.
05:44The seat, Thakur's home turf, is now the stage for a high-stakes legacy battle.
05:49But Jan Suraj isn't alone in claiming Thakur's mantle.
05:54The NTA and Mahagar Bandhan are already locked in a tug-of-war over his legacy.
05:59Nitish Kumar projects himself as Jan Nayak Thakur's political heir, showcasing his social justice
06:06initiatives.
06:08RGD, on the other hand, insists that its Mandal-era politics carries forward Thakur's vision.
06:15There is a battle to lay claim on his Jan Nayak title as well.
06:19BGP, on the other hand, keeps reminding voters how Congress opposed Karpuri Thakur during his
06:24rule and lifetime.
06:27Jan Suraj has taken this battle for Jan Nayak, Karpuri Thakur's legacy a step forward.
06:34With the original Bihar EBC leader's granddaughter fighting on its ticket, Morwa has turned into
06:40the new epicentre of Bihar's political identity war.
06:45Bureau Report, India Today.
06:48Bihar EBC leader is a very important hero for the
06:57other Jennay Nayak.
06:58Ban are a very important hero for the
07:12that the father's legacy is how he sees how he is growing in the future.
07:18The father's legacy.
07:21First of all, we all have a great honor and honor of the country.
07:27There is a great honor to be able to get his legacy.
07:31He was able to get his legacy.
07:34But he was able to get his thoughts and his thoughts.
07:38Transcription by CastingWords
08:08He didn't remember his thoughts.
08:10He didn't remember his thoughts.
08:12He didn't remember his thoughts.
08:14Especially his thoughts.
08:16His thoughts are still on his own.
08:18You can see his thoughts.
08:20His thoughts have become stronger and stronger.
08:24Yes, I thought that I would take my thoughts to bring him forward.
08:30Have you ever thought that he will enter into the royal palace?
08:36I didn't know anything, but who convinced me?
08:41No, I didn't convince anyone.
08:43Antaraatma has said that Bihar is my need.
08:46I need the people of Mordwa.
08:49They are all coming in the war.
08:51But the karma, which was the name of Jannahayak,
08:54was the name of Jannahayak, was the name of Jannahayak.
08:57So, Doctor, do you have to enter into the Raja Naitik field?
09:03Yes.
09:05You asked me, is it because of the beginning?
09:09I was thinking about it.
09:10I was thinking about it.
09:12I was thinking about it.
09:14I was thinking about this,
09:17that we are talking about a change in the world.
09:19The culture, the culture, the culture,
09:22the culture, the culture,
09:24the culture of Karpurri Thakur.
09:26The culture of Karpurri Thakur has done all the time.
09:30And has succeeded them.
09:32There is no political party, no party.
09:35There is no one that Karpurri Thakur doesn't believe.
09:38There is no political party.
09:39Netish Kumar, Lalu Prasad, Rahul Gandhi,
09:41all of them do not believe.
09:43So, you think that the ideology is not just your own,
09:45or your own,
09:47the political party is not just your own.
09:49I think that the ideology is just your own.
09:51I think that the ideology is not just your own.
09:53They say that all the party are going on their own.
09:56They are going on their own.
09:57But I don't think that no one is following their ideology.
10:00They are just taking names,
10:02but no one is like them.
10:04Don't take names,
10:06but go to Karpurri,
10:07and follow their own.
10:09Dr. Jagruti Thakur,
10:11If you understand it,
10:13you will have a rule of thumb,
10:14does it change?
10:15Dr. Joe Gawaiq,
10:16Will you stay in the Mouravah Constitution?
10:17Dr. Joe Gawaiq,
10:18will you stay the same?
10:19Dr. Joe Gawaiq,
10:20will you be in the Mouravah Constitutional
10:22or are you?
10:23Dr. Joe Gawaiq,
10:24I will stay with your opinion.
10:26The answer to that is that I will always sit with Mouravah Rangody.
10:28I would like to ask a lot of questions about the people, because they will represent the people.
10:43Yes, I will make the voices of the people.
10:46How are they?
10:47I will make the voices of the people.
10:50I will make the voices of the people.
10:53What will they do?
10:55First of all, we will make the voices of the people.
10:59If it is made of voices, then the people will also make the voices of the people.
11:03And for that, to make the voices of the people, it is very important for the people.
11:07First of all, let's ask your question,
11:11we will not leave them yet.
11:13Not anything that is like this.
11:15They will fight for one person.
11:18Yes, no.
11:20Whatever the names are, they will keep the voices of the people.
11:22Yes, no.
11:23In Bihar's election battleground, legacy and lineage goes a long way.
11:37While there is legacy and lineage, when it comes down to political lineage and legacy,
11:42there is also another legacy in Bihar, and that comes from the strongmen of Bihar,
11:49the Bahubalis, the controversial side of Bihar politics.
11:52Many in the fray this time.
11:54And strangely, some of their daughters and sons also in the fray.
12:00We caught up with Lal Ganj candidate who is fighting on an RJD ticket,
12:04Shivani Shukla, who is the daughter of Munna Shukla, local don, strongman, Bahubali, who is in jail today.
12:12And strangely, Shivani Shukla, who has come in from Leeds, studied from Leeds University,
12:19a product of DPSR Kepuram in Delhi, educated, qualified, with a law degree,
12:26has strangely no inhibitions to embrace her father's Bahubali legacy.
12:33Shivani Shukla, Jindabad!
12:34Shivani Shukla, Jindabad!
12:39Shivani Shukla, Jindabad!
12:40Shivani Shukla, Jindabad!
12:42Shivani Shukla, Jindabad!
12:43Altain Shab, Jindabad!
12:45Shivani Shab, Jindabad!
12:47Shivani, what made you decide that you wanted to fight this election?
12:52when suddenly my name was brought up
12:57and my mother and especially the people of this constituency
13:04were, I think, more than happy to have me here.
13:10Your mother has represented this constituency,
13:13your father's represented this constituency.
13:15Why you? Why not your mother?
13:17Because your father is in jail, but why not your mother?
13:19Yeah, I thought that my mother is going to come.
13:27I really thought that my mother is going to come.
13:35You thought your mother is going to contest?
13:37Yeah, yeah. I came to help her.
13:40You came to help her?
13:41I didn't come to fight election at all.
13:42Then?
13:43So, as I said, suddenly my name was brought up
13:46and everything, you know.
13:50But how was it, Sadun?
13:51Why not your mother?
13:51Why was it that you were chosen over your mother?
13:55How can I say that?
13:56Ask the people who chose me, right?
14:01Was your mother agreeable to you fighting this election and not her?
14:06See, our aim is to fight election and help as a social person.
14:15So, why is it a problem for a mother?
14:20She's fine.
14:22Because usually we've seen,
14:23she's the one who's taken on when your father's not been around to fight.
14:26So, as a mother, she did everything.
14:31Lal, te, and chapa.
14:33So, as a mother, she has done everything.
14:36And, uh,
14:38my son really came to me,
14:39so she didn't say anything.
14:40As such, she was okay.
14:43But, again,
14:44is she just going to back out?
14:47Because she didn't contest me,
14:49she didn't help me.
14:50That's not the case.
14:51My mother didn't even live.
14:53My father didn't even live.
14:54So, she was also helping people, right?
14:57Point is to help people.
15:00Shivani,
15:01you are a,
15:02you know,
15:03you've come,
15:03you've studied in the College of Leeds.
15:06Lal, te, and chapa.
15:07You have to keep your attention.
15:09You're a,
15:10like I said,
15:11you have graduated from the Leeds University.
15:15You have been,
15:17I think you've studied law in Puna.
15:19You are a,
15:20Puna?
15:20No, no, no.
15:20Have you?
15:21Bangalore.
15:21Bangalore, okay.
15:22So, you've studied law in Bangalore.
15:25You are a DPS RK Puram product,
15:27right?
15:28So, with all of that,
15:30Lal, te, and chapa.
15:32From what you represent
15:33in that other life
15:36and today where you are,
15:39taking on the legacy of your father
15:41who in local parlance
15:43is known as a Don and a Bahubali.
15:45How do you reflect on that?
15:47You must be asked this question a lot of times.
15:48I don't think it's a legacy.
15:49Legacy hota hai,
15:50jo,
15:50bina breakage ke pass-down ho,
15:53right?
15:54To,
15:55mere psaat asa nahi hai.
15:57Lal, te, and chapa.
15:59Asir,
15:59baad ne, bhai.
16:02Mere mom, dad ke saad asa nahi wa hai.
16:05Kye he bina breakage ke pass-down ho hai.
16:09Mere mame papa last go-tong se nahi si.
16:11To, legacy to nahi hai.
16:12Yeah, let me ask that question again
16:14and rephrase that question, Shivani.
16:16Yes.
16:16The fact is,
16:17the legacy I'm talking of
16:18is not so much the legacy
16:20of inheriting a political legacy,
16:23but also taking forward a legacy
16:25which, like I said,
16:26in local parlance is the Bahubali legacy,
16:29the local dog legacy.
16:30If I start telling you
16:41the local understanding of Bahubali,
16:45which I think everybody
16:46standing here with me
16:47are gonna agree with me
16:50is that
16:51Bahubali,
16:53one can only become Bahubali
16:54when people are there
16:56with that person
16:57with all their strength.
16:59And if that makes
17:01any person a Bahubali,
17:03then,
17:03and if I am taking that legacy,
17:06then I'm proud to have that
17:07because I am with all these people
17:10and they are with me.
17:11They have their strength with me.
17:13There are criminal cases.
17:14Your father's right now
17:15in prison
17:16on a murder charge.
17:18Your family,
17:20your uncles
17:20have been associated
17:21with criminal charges
17:23all through their course of the times.
17:25Somebody, like I said,
17:27who is,
17:27who's led a very sheltered,
17:29very different life
17:30to embrace this life.
17:32Laltain chap.
17:35To embrace this life.
17:36Do you not see a dichotomy?
17:38And own it.
17:40Ma'am, please come again.
17:41I'm very sorry.
17:42No problem.
17:42No, no.
17:43What I'm saying is
17:44that when you talk about Bahubali,
17:47right,
17:48it's your father has criminal cases.
17:49He's right now in jail
17:50on a murder charge.
17:51Your uncles had criminal cases.
17:53There is a past
17:54that is attached
17:55to your family name.
17:57You have led a sheltered life.
17:59You've been in,
17:59like I said,
18:00in Delhi,
18:00DPSR,
18:01Kepuram,
18:02University of Leeds.
18:03How do you marry the two?
18:04How do you make sense of this
18:05and then taking this forward?
18:06Ma'am,
18:07criminal background,
18:09if they say it,
18:10they didn't come to me.
18:11So they have not
18:14let that shadow
18:15even
18:16take
18:19even an inch
18:20of my shadow.
18:22Your father?
18:23Yeah.
18:24So they haven't done that.
18:26But you're fighting,
18:26Shivani.
18:27Everyone's,
18:28you're being introduced
18:29as Shivani Shukla,
18:30Munna Shukla ki Bahti.
18:31So I am, right?
18:33My father is Munna Shukla.
18:35Exactly.
18:35So who are they gonna
18:36say my name for?
18:37So your father's friends,
18:40right?
18:42They must know you
18:43by your dad's name
18:45because they know
18:46your dad first.
18:47Similarly,
18:48here,
18:49people know my dad first.
18:51So they introduce me,
18:52Munna Shukla ki Bahti.
18:54No,
18:54I get what you're saying
18:55but are you getting
18:55what I'm saying Shivani?
18:57What I'm trying to say is
18:58or I'm asking you
18:59is
19:00you're saying that
19:01even if there was
19:01a criminal past,
19:02you've never,
19:03that shadow has never
19:04come close to you
19:05or touched you.
19:06But you've been given
19:07a ticket only on account
19:08of what your father
19:09stood for
19:09which is the local
19:10Bahubali.
19:11You can call it
19:12the local doll
19:13in this area.
19:14So that's on the
19:14virtue of that.
19:15I'll correct you here.
19:16You said that
19:17I got a ticket for my father's name
19:18because of my father's name.
19:19No doubt.
19:20He got a ticket for his name.
19:22Okay?
19:23Secondly,
19:25I got a ticket for my father's name
19:27because of my father's name
19:27because of my father's name
19:29because of my father's name
19:31contested
19:32and secureded
19:33himself
19:34and one time
19:35my mother contested
19:37and secureded
19:38so they have
19:40a good
19:41political background
19:42with them.
19:44Okay?
19:44That's why
19:45I got a
19:46background
19:47on the basis
19:48that he was
19:50Don.
19:52And you say
19:53that he is Don.
19:54I don't even know
19:55that my father is Don.
19:56Bahubali
19:57doesn't know.
19:59The strength
20:00of them
20:01is Bahubali.
20:02They will live
20:03and they will always
20:03live.
20:04I love my dad.
20:05And he has
20:06to be a Bahubali
20:07because people
20:07love him.
20:08How does it
20:09make it all right?
20:11How does it
20:11make it all right?
20:12How am I saying
20:13that it makes it all right?
20:14I'm just saying
20:15that Bahubali
20:16only originated
20:17because people
20:18are with him.
20:20I'm not saying
20:21anything.
20:22You said
20:22you are
20:24romanticizing Bahubali.
20:26I am stating
20:26the facts
20:27about Bahubali.
20:28How did
20:29Bahubali
20:29come into
20:30existence?
20:31I'm stating
20:31that.
20:32Shivani
20:33the meaning
20:35of a Bahubali
20:36would be
20:36a local
20:37strong man
20:38a muscle man.
20:39You said
20:40you are calling
20:41him a Don
20:42but somebody
20:43who has used
20:44criminal means
20:45I'll just take
20:50last three questions
20:50Shivani
20:51which is
20:51one
20:52no promise
20:54so no
20:56what I was
20:57that's the
20:58definition Shivani
20:59you know
21:00what the
21:00definition is
21:01of a local
21:02Don
21:02what is a Bahubali
21:03you know that.
21:04Local Don
21:05it is no
21:06no
21:07I am not
21:07saying anything
21:08you are saying
21:08every book.
21:09I'm not
21:10okay so
21:11I am listening
21:12to you
21:12I'll say
21:13when I say
21:14say
21:14what
21:15you know
21:15what it means
21:16so
21:16I know
21:17I told you
21:18what it means
21:18romanticizing
21:19what it is
21:19it is for
21:20what it is
21:20you have
21:21that is
21:21you think
21:22I'm romanticizing
21:23according to me
21:24that's a valid
21:24answer.
21:25Okay
21:25no fair enough
21:26that's your
21:26answer
21:27I get that
21:28okay
21:28so
21:29if you do
21:31win this seat
21:32what is it
21:33that you are
21:34going to do
21:34differently
21:34than your dad
21:35than your father
21:36Differently
21:38actually I haven't
21:41compared
21:42right now
21:43and
21:44I can't say
21:45differently
21:46but
21:47what I do
21:48want to do
21:49is
21:50that
21:50one
21:51thing
21:51I notice
21:52is missing
21:54in
21:55educational
21:57aspect
21:57here is
21:58that
21:58there should
21:59be some
22:00educational
22:01consultancies
22:02which can
22:03actually guide
22:03students
22:04as to
22:06what to
22:06study
22:06what they
22:07want to
22:07be
22:08or what
22:08they can
22:09be
22:10because
22:11not everybody
22:12has
22:12money
22:13financial
22:14means
22:15to
22:15meet
22:17the ends
22:17right
22:18but
22:19many
22:20wants
22:21to
22:21study
22:21so
22:22education
22:23is what
22:24you'd want
22:24to stress
22:24on
22:24sorry
22:25education
22:26is what
22:26you'd want
22:27to stress
22:27on
22:27yeah
22:28I
22:28definitely
22:29want to
22:29stress
22:30on it
22:30because
22:31if people
22:33do get
22:33education
22:35then
22:36it will
22:38be
22:38very much
22:40helpful
22:40for them
22:41to get
22:42the financial
22:42stability
22:43to get
22:44a fair
22:44understanding
22:45of the
22:45society
22:45as a
22:46person
22:47and how
22:47it can
22:48grow
22:48especially
22:49taking
22:50everyone
22:51together
22:51with
22:52themselves
22:53okay
22:54final question
22:55do you regret
22:56your past
22:56Shivani
22:57do I regret
22:57my past
22:58yes
22:58with your
22:59father's
23:00Bahubali legacy
23:02do you regret
23:03it
23:03I'm asking
23:06you
23:07like I said
23:08you're from
23:09DPS
23:09you're from
23:10like I said
23:11you've seen
23:11the world
23:12why should
23:13I regret
23:14anything
23:15you don't
23:16why
23:17I'm asking
23:18you
23:18why I mean
23:20I'm really
23:21telling you
23:21why should
23:22I regret
23:22it
23:23my dad
23:24is a
23:25fair person
23:25you
23:27and many
23:28other
23:28people
23:30who don't
23:30know my
23:31dad
23:31personally
23:32cannot
23:33say
23:34what he
23:34is and
23:35what he
23:35is not
23:35I know
23:36my dad
23:36I only
23:36look at
23:37the news
23:37report
23:37exactly
23:38I only
23:39look at
23:39the news
23:39report
23:40and when
23:40you look
23:41at that
23:41see ma'am
23:42again
23:42can you
23:44say that
23:44everybody
23:44is getting
23:45justice
23:45can you
23:47say that
23:47with 100%
23:48thing that
23:51everybody in
23:52India is
23:52getting justice
23:53of course
23:54they're not
23:55what's the
23:55comparison
23:56exactly
23:56but what's
23:57the comparison
23:57between your
23:58father and
23:59everyone
23:59getting justice
24:00okay
24:01that's the
24:02point
24:03that
24:03every news
24:05cannot be
24:07right
24:07you cannot
24:08be saying
24:09that 100%
24:10is right
24:10there are
24:11manipulations
24:12which is
24:12very much
24:13true
24:13which is
24:14going on
24:14and very
24:15much
24:15prevailing
24:15but you
24:18own the
24:19title of
24:19Bahubali
24:20you said
24:20there's
24:20nothing wrong
24:21with that
24:21understanding
24:22what the
24:22connotation
24:23ma'am again
24:23you are
24:24making two
24:25different things
24:26coming together
24:27and aligning
24:28them to
24:29make it seem
24:30that it's one
24:31line but it
24:32is not
24:32it's two
24:33lines
24:34maybe walking
24:35parallelly
24:36but it is
24:36not one
24:37line
24:38do not do
24:39that ma'am
24:40I'm being
24:41very clear to
24:42that
24:42Bahubali
24:43is different
24:44aspect
24:45and getting
24:46justice is
24:47different aspect
24:47ma'am
24:48okay so you
24:50own that part
24:51as well
24:51and you want
24:52justice for your
24:53father who you
24:54think is being
24:54maligned
24:55that's what
24:55it is
24:56that's what
24:56I'm saying
24:56ma'am very
24:57clearly
24:57I'll just
24:58again
24:59to
25:00I am very
25:02much sure
25:02you are a
25:03reporter
25:03you must
25:04read news
25:05way too much
25:05more than me
25:06so ma'am
25:08you must have
25:08heard me
25:09saying somewhere
25:09that in my
25:10dad's case
25:11there are a
25:13few aspects
25:14which I would
25:14like to very
25:15much point out
25:15to you right
25:16now again
25:16have you ever
25:18heard in one
25:19case there are
25:20two FIRs
25:22so you are
25:22saying there
25:22are a lot of
25:22phenomenons
25:23again I will
25:23tell you all
25:24the three points
25:24just answer me
25:26one yes or
25:26no
25:27have you
25:27there are two
25:28FIRs in a
25:29particular case
25:30yeah have you
25:31heard this
25:31there has to
25:31be one no
25:32yeah
25:32secondly if
25:34somebody
25:36some witness
25:37is saying
25:37that I was
25:40given five
25:41blank pages
25:42and I was
25:43asked to
25:43sign on it
25:44and I do
25:46not know
25:47what is
25:47written in
25:47it and
25:48still those
25:49statements are
25:50being accepted
25:51do you think
25:53those statements
25:55by him which
25:56is apparently
25:57not by him
25:58and as very
25:59well stated by
26:00him himself
26:00can those
26:02statements be
26:03accepted
26:03so that
26:03veracity needs
26:04to be checked
26:05whether that
26:05witness was
26:07under pressure
26:07or to us
26:08very right
26:08very much
26:09right now
26:10we did
26:11content
26:11not accepted
26:13from our
26:14side but
26:14it was
26:15accepted
26:15but Chawani
26:15I understand
26:16you have a
26:16problem with
26:17this Karun
26:17case but
26:17the word
26:20of Bahubali
26:21the word
26:21of Don
26:21doesn't rest
26:22on one
26:23case
26:23it rests
26:24on a
26:24legion
26:24and a
26:25legacy
26:25which you
26:25yourself
26:26said that
26:26the criminality
26:27hasn't touched
26:27you but
26:27it was
26:28there
26:28ma'am
26:29again
26:30again
26:31Bahubali
26:33won't
26:34won't
26:34come
26:35because of
26:36that
26:36if you
26:37want to
26:37put a tag
26:38on my
26:38father's
26:39that he
26:39is a
26:39criminal
26:40then I
26:42will
26:42say that
26:43that
26:44on that
26:44aspect
26:44Because of that, my father didn't hit the tag on Baahubali because he had the love of people.
27:14I want to be with you. I want to support you. I'm your father.
27:18So if I am reaping a benefit of his hard work, then yes, in the form of him I am.
27:26And I'm very proud of it.
27:28Okay.
27:29I hope and I bless every daughter on this earth to have a father like me.
27:35Alright, with that, it's a wrap on this edition of To The Point where we continue to get you the latest coming in from Bihar.
27:42For now, it's goodbye.
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