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00:00You know, it's funny, too, that we would go through,
00:03I think we would go through a scenario like this,
00:07where a team is still battling for a playoff spot in the face of,
00:13like, let's count them up.
00:14Purdy's had, what, two games?
00:15Yep.
00:16Kittle has had four?
00:19I think this will be number four, I think.
00:22And obviously one of them being the Seattle game
00:24where he really only played one series.
00:26So, like, if you want to call that a game, I guess you can.
00:29It was a game.
00:29I mean, he actually, I mean, he was eating early.
00:32Pearsall has played, I think, four?
00:34Five?
00:35Four or five?
00:36Pearsall's played four.
00:37Kittle's played five.
00:38Okay, Kittle played five.
00:39How many did Fred Warner play?
00:41Five?
00:43Fred Warner.
00:43That was the Tampa game.
00:45What week was it?
00:45He's played six.
00:46He played six.
00:47Nick Bosa played four.
00:49Three?
00:49Yep.
00:50Oh, yeah, it was the Arizona game.
00:51Nick Bosa played three.
00:53Who am I forgetting?
00:56You mentioned Brock Purdy, too.
00:58Brock Purdy, too.
00:59Jennings is what?
01:01Most of them, but he missed a couple games.
01:04Jennings has played eight, so he missed two.
01:06Okay.
01:06Is Lenore playing this weekend?
01:08He's the only Niner on the injury report.
01:11Kyle Shanahan spoke earlier this hour.
01:12He's questionable.
01:13That is it.
01:14Questionable, but did he practice all today?
01:17Do you have DNP or limited?
01:18Hold on.
01:19Yeah, I'd love to know that.
01:21You've had D, Lenore, Jordan Elliott, and Kalia Davis have played all ten, as has Sam O, Jair Brown, Luke Gifford, but mostly that was special teams.
01:33Lenore limited on Thursday did not participate today, so he's trending downward.
01:38Yeah, and this happened in practice on Thursday, and Thursday has been a nightmare for the 49ers this year.
01:43And then I guess we should add in that, you know, I know he played in now all but one game, but let's add in Mike Hill Williams.
01:50Your number one draft pick is now out for the year as well.
01:53Brandon Ayuk has not played at all.
01:54Okay, so you add all that in, and you're 6-4, I don't know, the world I live in, the coach usually gets a lot of compliments for that.
02:05Yeah, Robert Sala.
02:07Robert Sala.
02:08So somehow we came out of that with a lot of you saying that Kyle Shanahan is untrustworthy, as opposed to, I got a different phrase, coach of the year.
02:20He's not, but I think he's up there.
02:22Hello, you know?
02:24I think he might garner a couple of third place votes.
02:28Well, I did not forget the award.
02:29I just mean, like, isn't that normally a scenario where you'd be like, eh?
02:33I mean, 6-4, though.
02:35It's not like you're 8-2.
02:36Right, but 6-4.
02:37He's done well, and I think that it's Robert Sala, it's Mac Jones, it's Kyle Shanahan, sure.
02:42And we did this last week, the 10 plays, the 10 reasons why they were, at the time, 6-3, and you go back to that Arizona game,
02:52and you had a pass breakup on Zay Jones and you go back to the Ram game
02:56and you had a Jordan Elliott, I'm sorry, Alfred Collins with the punch out at the goal line.
03:02These are defensive plays.
03:03It's been complimentary football in many ways that has helped them.
03:07It was Eddie Pinero with a doinker in overtime to beat the Rams.
03:11So it hasn't just been, oh, Shanahan, the quarterback whisperer.
03:14Yeah, they've been good.
03:16He's been good.
03:17Salah's been good.
03:18And I think that Salah's done more with a broken down defense than Shanahan's done with a beleaguered offense.
03:24Yeah, that's probably true.
03:25And by the way, like, I mean, when I say coach of the year, I mean, normally that's what fans would sound like in a scenario.
03:32I do not think Kyle Shanahan is the coach of the year.
03:35I think he's had a good year, though.
03:36I think he's had a pretty good year.
03:38I'm liking it early.
03:39And most franchises, I'm going to buy what you just said, that Robert Salah has done more on his side of the ball, maybe than Kyle has done on his side of the ball.
03:51But it's an interesting sort of a feel because most of the time, if you lose your QB, that's a catch-all.
03:59That's like, that's more than losing, like, all of your defensive starters.
04:03But they lost two Hall of Famers on defense.
04:05Correct.
04:06And again, so not all situations are the same.
04:09But I guess what I'm saying is, is fascinating how many of you wanted to call Brock Purdy a system quarterback.
04:19He's a product of the system.
04:21And then when Mac Jones plays really well, you don't want to give that credit to Kyle.
04:26I don't think, like, that's not fair.
04:28Well, it's the system.
04:29And as Kurt Warner told us this year or last year, they're all system quarterbacks.
04:33It's all of those things.
04:34They're all system quarterbacks.
04:35I'm not trying to take credit from anyone.
04:38I'm pointing out an irregularity.
04:40If Brock Purdy performed well because system, I don't think you get to, in the next breath,
04:47after watching five years of Mac Jones be a very mediocre quarterback in the NFL,
04:53I don't think you get to watch him play really well and then go, wow, it's all Mac.
04:59That's an inequity.
05:00It's disingenuous to me is what it is.
05:02And I go back to my guy, Trevor Lawrence, and I said this before they played Jacksonville and lost to Jacksonville.
05:10Look at Trevor Lawrence this year with Liam Cohen.
05:12He's a better quarterback.
05:13They're a better team.
05:15And that's one of the games to watch this weekend.
05:18Jacksonville is better than the Niners.
05:20They beat the Niners.
05:20Oh, they're not better than the Niners at all.
05:22Well, they beat the Niners, so you can use whatever metric you want.
05:25Trevor Lawrence is better this year than he was last year because he has Liam Cohen.
05:30Rams and Niners.
05:31Who's better?
05:31The Rams are better.
05:32How?
05:32The Niners beat them.
05:33The Rams have scored more points than the Niners in those head-to-head matchups.
05:37You can't whittle it down to one game.
05:38I can whittle it to whatever I want to whittle it.
05:40And you know what?
05:41Seattle's better than the Niners.
05:43That's fine.
05:43And the Niners beat Seattle the first time they played them.
05:46And when they play them again, if there's something on the line, Seattle will be favored in that game.
05:51I have no problem with that.
05:52But then when I say to you that I believe the Niners are better than Jacksonville, you can't undo my point by saying, but Jacksonville beat them.
05:59I can say that's the reason why I think they're better.
06:01You can think whatever you want to think.
06:03And you hate Trevor Lawrence for some odd reason.
06:06I don't hate him.
06:07Oh, you hate him.
06:07No, I don't.
06:08I don't think he's very good.
06:10I think he's better than you think.
06:12He's better than most people think.
06:13That's fine.
06:14And you're allowed your point.
06:16I wouldn't sniff Trevor Lawrence in a $55 million deal.
06:21I wouldn't even blink if someone offered him to me over Brock Purdy.
06:25My point, my overarching point was Trevor Lawrence is better now than he has been
06:30because he has Liam Cohen.
06:32And that goes to the thing you were talking about with Kyle Shanahan about Mack and Brock.
06:37Yes, system.
06:38And if you look at Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence is not as good as he probably can be.
06:45But they're winning football games.
06:46And their offense is better with Trevor Lawrence than it has been elsewhere.
06:50I think you have a point.
06:51I think you're using the wrong individual to make it.
06:54Trevor Lawrence this year is the 32nd rated quarterback in the NFL.
06:58He has 10 touchdowns and 7 picks.
07:01He's not performing great just because Liam Cohen is there.
07:04They happen to be 5-4.
07:06They've grabbed a couple of games that I don't think most people think that if you played them again,
07:10they'd win, including the Kansas City Chiefs.
07:13But they've also loved it.
07:13Wait, they beat the Chiefs?
07:14They sure did.
07:15Oh, boy.
07:16And the Niners?
07:17Good for you and me, by the way.
07:19But, by the way, I think that the Jags have largely achieved their 5-4 record.
07:25A lesser record than the Niners, by the way.
07:26I think that they've achieved that record largely because they are one of the best turnover margin teams in the NFL so far this year.
07:34Oh, they've had the most takeaways they did through four or five games, anyway.
07:37If you've watched a ton of Jags games, I don't walk away from them going,
07:42Woo, Trevor looks good.
07:43Trevor is below Dylan Gabriel as a quarterback rating right now, if you want that metric.
07:49Like, he's not played great football.
07:51He's fine-ish.
07:52He's okay.
07:54In the rating list right now, he's stuck right between Bryce Young and Davis Mills.
07:57Like, he's under 80 for QBR.
08:00Like, I don't, or quarterback rating, that is, not QBR.
08:04So, I just, yeah.
08:05Anyway, I think you have a point.
08:07I wouldn't use Trevor Lawrence in order to make it.
08:10That's my opinion.
08:11Let's go out to the phones.
08:12Chris in Sonoma.
08:13Hey, Chris, thanks for calling.
08:14What's up?
08:17Hey, good afternoon, fellas.
08:18How are you?
08:18We're great, man.
08:19Thanks for calling in.
08:22Yes, sir.
08:23I don't think we should be, or you guys should be, you know, I'd say comparing who's doing a better job, Shanahan or Borsala.
08:35I think that's missing the point.
08:38Guys, what's the job of the head coach, especially of a NFL football team?
08:47I mean, there's a bunch of ways to answer that.
08:49I would say to put everybody in the organization in their best position to succeed.
08:54That's how I'd answer it if you want one sentence.
08:57Great answer.
08:58Okay, so Kyle is the CEO, right?
09:03So his job is to set the organizational philosophy and the messaging.
09:11It's to hire the best assistants, delegate to them through a series of trust amongst everybody,
09:20get everybody working together on the philosophy of the organization.
09:25And I think the entire coaching staff of the Niners deserves major credit for doing an absolutely fantastic job
09:34in the face of a lot of screwed up stuff with all these injuries they've had from day one.
09:41And so I think it's missing the point to say, well, Shanahan's doing a better job than Sala.
09:45I think they're all doing a great job.
09:47And I don't think Shanahan's job should be diminished at all because he's got to organize the whole game
09:58and the whole system and the whole organization.
10:01And he's done a fabulous job.
10:03I think everybody would agree with that.
10:05So all the haters on Shanahan that want to fire, can't win the big one and stuff,
10:10like I think people need to kind of get over that and just give some credit to holding things together.
10:17They've got seven games, and if things go well, they should get the 10 or 11 wins that they could even surprise.
10:26So that's what I wanted to share with everybody.
10:29Chris, thanks.
10:29No, I agree completely.
10:31I mean, obviously, Dibs and I talking about Sala and Shanahan,
10:34that was sort of a hypothetical point that came up in the conversation.
10:38I don't think we're trying to spend a whole lot of time comparing and contrasting the two.
10:42They've both done a really good job.
10:44In general, that's kind of what I'm getting at.
10:47The scenario through the first 10 weeks of the season, to me,
10:50would suggest a fan base would be very excited with the coaching staff.
10:55Throw in the special teams coordinator and staff as well.
10:58I think everybody is doing a pretty bang-up job,
11:04but somehow this whole quarterback thing has led a lot of people to untrustworthiness.
11:13And I'm having a hard time sort of grasping it, I guess, understanding where that comes from.
11:19Yeah, I don't know why you would lack trust.
11:22You may think that they should stick with Mack, and you might be right.
11:25Brock can come out and play poorly, and they could stay with Brock, and he could play poorly again.
11:30They could lose two games because Brock is bad.
11:33And then all the people who think that Shanahan should go with the hot hand,
11:37you could be vindicated and validated accordingly.
11:40But Kyle Shanahan is the one to make the call,
11:43and I would always defer to his expertise because he's done very well in his now nine years at the helm.
11:49So if he thinks that Brock is better, as do I, as do you, as do many, many people,
11:55including maybe Mack Jones.
11:57He might just be political.
11:59He might just be toe-in-the-line, whatever.
12:01Yeah, I bet not.
12:02I mean, athletes usually don't think that way.
12:04They don't, but the point is, I mean, it's Brock Purdy's job.
12:07And so when he's healthy, he gets the job until he plays his way out of the job.
12:11Yeah.
12:11I mean, that's the other side to this, which is sort of structural, I think, if you will.
12:17You know what I mean?
12:18You can bring that to any business.
12:20That's where I think things get kind of relatable.
12:22So everybody who's listening, and Dibs, you and I can do the exercise too.
12:27In your given industry, is there somebody ahead of you that you think that you're better than them at the job?
12:35Oh, yeah, many times.
12:37Not like a better person, but like.
12:38No, many, many, many times.
12:40Right, and there are a lot of reasons why you might not move ahead of that person, at least not yet.
12:48And it's not just as simple.
12:51Again, I'm with you.
12:52You think Brock is better.
12:53I think Brock is better.
12:54But that's not the whole story.
12:56There's a bunch of things structurally that go into if somebody wanted to make that maneuver.
13:02It's contract, it's experience, it is perception, it's favoritism, it's the colleagues, it's a number of different factors.
13:10It's not just because he makes $53 million and Mack doesn't.
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