Time Travel, The Conspiracy Show, p.110

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The Conspiracy Show with Richard Syrett Season 1 Episode 9 Time Travel

Richard speaks with two ‘whistleblowers’ who claim to have been part of secret government time travel projects, including a lawyer who claims as a child he was sent back in time to witness Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. An experimental physicist provides a skeptical perspective.
Broadcast personality Richard Syrett creates a calm, rational platform on which stars from the worlds of conspiracy thought, the paranormal, alternate health can engage in high quality discourse in these subject arenas.
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00:00Welcome to the Conspiracy Show. My name is Richard Serrett. Is it possible to travel

00:13backwards and forwards in time? Or is this simply the fodder of a good science fiction

00:19novel? Tonight, we'll meet two whistleblowers who allege they've both been involved in

00:24secret military time travel experiments. We'll also meet an experimental physicist who maintains

00:32that claims we've already secretly achieved time travel defies all rational and scientific

00:38thought. Our mission is to investigate these claims and follow the truth wherever it may

00:44lead. It is time to redefine reality.

00:48I'm here with Andrew Biciago, who is a lawyer in the state of Washington and a pioneer in

01:08time travel. Andrew, welcome to the Conspiracy Show.

01:11Thank you, Richard.

01:18Andrew, can you detail your involvement in Project Pegasus?

01:24Project Pegasus was a classified defense-related research and development program that was

01:30undertaken in the late 1960s and early 1970s by DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects

01:36Agency. It was developing different forms of quantum access on behalf of the U.S. president,

01:41intelligence community, and military. That is to say, it was developing different forms

01:46of time travel so that time travel could be used to develop intelligence data to brief

01:53the president and executive branch agencies about aspects of the past and future that

01:59could then be used for contingency planning for future events.

02:03Andrew, can you tell us when and how you became involved in Project Pegasus?

02:08I was brought into Project Pegasus informally in 1967-68. My late father, Raymond F. Biciago,

02:15was a senior projects engineer for the Ralph M. Parsons Company. And he took me to the old

02:20Curtis Wright Aeronautical Company facility in Woodridge, New Jersey. And in Building 68 at

02:26Curtis Wright during those years, there was a room called the Teleport. And in the front

02:30of the room, there was an object that consisted of two parentheses shaped armatures. And when

02:38you stood in the room, let's say about 10 feet from that device, it generated a shimmering

02:42curtain of what the discoverer of this device, the developer of this device, Nikola Tesla, called

02:48radiant energy.

02:49Radiant energy, Tesla found, is a form of energy that's latent and pervasive in the

02:55entire universe. And that when it is tapped from the quantum plenum, has the capacity to

03:03bend the fabric of time space. So that when you jump through a field of such energy, you're

03:07physically relocated elsewhere on the face of our planet. So my father explained how we

03:13were going to jump through that field of energy and arrive in several seconds on a hillside

03:19somewhere else in the country. And we did so. He grabbed my hand and we jumped through

03:24the field of energy. And we entered an illuminated tunnel that was very similar to the accounts

03:30that people described during the near-death experience. The tunnel was a dense, luminous

03:34cylinder of light that was moving sort of along like streamers of smoke, but you could tell

03:41that it was light. We were moving very rapidly. And in several seconds, we saw a pinprick of

03:47light in the distance and it rapidly moved towards us and then very rapidly collided with

03:52us. And we found footfall in the destination that would be used for the next five years,

03:58Santa Fe, New Mexico.

04:00If you were sitting across from Andrew Bichego and he told you that story, what would you

04:05think? What would you say?

04:06My reaction is not to try to discredit him, but to try to find out the real truth underneath

04:16the statement.

04:22How unlikely or likely is it that we have already achieved time travel, but it's being kept hidden

04:30from the public?

04:31I'm a bit of a skeptic when it comes to believing what the government says. Responsible governments

04:41and responsible government servants and agencies might well consider that if time travel had

04:50been discovered and was working, say, via a secret government department, they would want

04:58to keep that absolutely secret. The idea of time travel being available, being known to certain

05:08government scientists. Can we think together of an area in the past where it looked as if

05:19some ultimate disaster was about to happen? Let's think about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It seemed

05:27so out of character for the Russians to withdraw those missiles. But what if a time traveler

05:37had seen what was going to happen if and had somehow communicated that global destruction danger and persuaded

05:51the Russians to go back? What if there were, shall we say, secret time travel conspiracies, as it were,

06:01in both the Kremlin and the White House?

06:07What my dad later explained is that when he saw me standing next to him in Gettysburg in 1863, he said,

06:14I knew then you were going to be in the project.

06:19You've detailed your involvement in the teleportation aspect of Project Pegasus. What about your involvement in the time travel experiments?

06:27By the fall of 1970, they were already moving us backward in time 12 hours. In other words, we would teleport to New Mexico, spend an entire day there involved in project activities.

06:37And then when we arrived via teleportation back at Curtis Wright, it was maybe 11 o'clock in the morning rather than 10 or 11 o'clock at night.

06:45We asked them, you know, you're sending us back in time, aren't you? And they said yes.

06:48So tell me about this photograph where you're actually seen at the Gettysburg Address.

06:56Well, they sent me to Gettysburg via a new technology in 1972 called plasma confinement.

07:02So we see you in this picture in Gettysburg and you're standing how?

07:06I just decided that I would walk about a hundred paces on a diagonal from the stage and then stand with my left foot forward and my right foot to the right,

07:15so that people looking over at me wouldn't see how, in fact, how large these shoes were.

07:20And then I would look in the opposite direction from where I knew Lincoln would soon be arriving on the right side of the dais to give the Gettysburg Address.

07:27And it was in that position, that odd position, wearing those grossly oversized men's shoes, that I was photographed by a contemporary photographer.

07:36And a photograph that's now known as the Josephine Cobb image of Lincoln at Gettysburg.

07:41What my dad later explained is that when he saw me standing next to him in Gettysburg in 1863, he said,

07:47I knew then you were going to be in the project.

07:50I spoke with a lawyer in the state of Washington. His name is Andrew Bishago.

07:54And he claims that as a child he was part of a time travel teleportation program that was conducted by DARPA.

08:03What do you make of that claim?

08:05I think the military explores everything. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

08:15I wouldn't be stunned if the U.S. military, many military around the world, attempted such experiments.

08:26They've been known to do experiments with little regard for human life and safety.

08:32I mean, Project Pegasus was so deeply compartmentalized that there were even disagreements among some of the project principles about what was going on immediately inside the project.

08:42The fact that they would, you know, I mean, you know, the various things they've done in psychology and all kinds of things.

08:48I mean, they will try pretty much anything. They have an infinite budget.

08:52And so I wouldn't be shocked if they have tried things. I'd be stunned if they made any progress whatsoever.

09:01Reporter claims to have run into the famous inventor Nikola Tesla at a coffee shop looking very shaken.

09:08And Tesla went on to explain to the reporter that he'd just been zapped in his laboratory with about 3.5 million volts and went on to explain that he found himself outside his timeframe reference, whatever that means.

09:22He also reported he could see the immediate past, present, and future. Was Nikola Tesla telling this reporter that he had achieved time travel? And what do you make of that claim?

09:33Well, I think that 3.5 million volts can really affect your head. I'm sure he did see the past and the future, at least in his head. I don't think any time travel was involved.

09:47When Nikola Tesla died in New York City in January of 1943, there were two teams that were racing to his apartment to seize his paperwork.

09:56Two were special agents with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The other two were intelligence officers for the War Department.

10:04And the War Department officers beat the FBI team there and seized Tesla's paperwork, his entire corpus of writings that were held there at his apartment.

10:14I learned during my investigation of Project Pegasus over the last 10 years that those papers were then forwarded to the individuals in the world that it would make the most sense to forward them to, the world's most distinguished physicists who were then gathering in Los Alamos.

10:29That is where time travel remains sequestered. It was weaponized during World War II. And the theory and practice of teleportation has been sequestered within the U.S. defense technical community since 1943.

10:44You know, one has to remember that the Manhattan Project brought together the best and brightest physicists in the world, cost $5 billion or whatever it cost in 1945, and they made an atomic bomb.

10:55The thing you're talking about is so much beyond that, that, you know, some number of scientists in the military could pull that off is truly a remarkable thing.

11:07The problem here has been that individuals currently theorizing about the feasibility of time travel have been denied access to the time travel technologies that have resulted in the classified defense technical realm as a result of being spontaneously discovered, seized by the U.S. Department of Defense, and then developed secretly over many decades.

11:30And so we're in a bit of a historical interregnum here where a number of physicists contributed ideas and devices to the U.S. defense effort so that time travel emerged secretly under the aegis of the U.S. Department of Defense.

11:46But brilliant luminaries of our time like Dr. Michio Kaku and Dr. Stephen Hawking cannot speak authoritatively about time travel because they don't know what the state of the art is.

11:57There is nothing in Einstein's great theories which make time travel impossible. In fact, they point rather in its favor than against it.

12:14Do any of Einstein's theories even allow for time travel or the creation of a time travel device?

12:20He would be rolling in his grave if he thought that was true. The special theory of relativity, the first one that he came out with in 1905, specifically has in it causality. It's specifically set up so that you absolutely cannot have time travel.

12:35I would prefer to phrase it as there is nothing in Einstein's great theories which make time travel impossible. In fact, they point rather in its favor than against it.

12:50And one has to be very explicit when you say time travel. We're really talking about traveling backwards in time.

12:54So during those years, I found myself essentially taking these trips to the past so that I could interact with that past event and gather intelligence data.

13:03And then we would be debriefed when we returned to New Jersey. So I visited different locations in the primordial past, in the ancient past, the modern past, and in the immediate past.

13:16Backwards in time is completely not acceptable. And that's because it's backwards in time where you could upset the balance of cause and effect.

13:26Nothing is so ridiculous that we should laugh it out of the room.

13:32They were continually sending me back to the site of President Lincoln's assassination on April 14th of 1865.

13:39And I don't think they were really trying to explore that historical question so much as they were trying to see whether if they sent the same child to the same point in time, whether the same events would result.

13:51And every time I was sent there, he was assassinated.

13:54Einstein to Einstein, causality, cause and effect, is absolutely sacrosanct. And so there's no way in his theories he would allow such a thing.

14:02I mean, as a matter of fact, the reason why he disliked quantum mechanics so much was because it allowed on a microscopic level, some level, a causality.

14:10And he just, that was the one thing he rejected completely. So he would say that his theories have built into them the fact that you cannot go backwards in time.

14:18Forwards in time is easy, actually.

14:21You just said that traveling forward in time is easy. You've got to explain that one, Scott.

14:27Well, there's this, there's the thing called the twin paradox, okay, which is a very famous thing that came out of Special Relativity.

14:32And the idea being you have two twins, one stays on Earth, one goes off in a rocket ship and comes back.

14:37If you were to leave Earth on a voyage into the universe in a very, very fast spaceship, and you and I synchronized our watches before you left,

14:48when you returned, our watches would no longer be synchronized.

14:54The person that comes back, for them it's 2050, but in fact it's 2100 on Earth.

15:00So in fact, they have moved forward 50 years in time, in that sense.

15:05So they would come back to an Earth which is the future from their perspective in terms of where they are.

15:11And that's, well, that's actually been a measured effect. We've measured it using airplanes.

15:17You put a very precise clock on an airplane and circle the Earth, and the time on that clock is a little bit less than the time on the clock that was left there.

15:24So that's a measured effect. It's not even hypothetical.

15:27So speed and energy, that is the energy which enabled the speed to be achieved, appear to have a very serious effect on time.

15:41What the public needs to know, most especially today's time travel theorists who are still trying to develop time travel,

15:47is not only were different forms of time travel developed in the early 1970s,

15:51but by summer of 1971 the US Defense Department had already proved the existence of the multiverse.

15:57What about the concept of the multiverse? The idea that there are perhaps an infinite number of possibilities for the future,

16:08and each one of those is its own universe. So therefore, you could travel back in time.

16:14And if you created a paradox, you killed your grandfather, then you would create a universe where you don't exist.

16:22There would be another universe where you do exist.

16:25Wouldn't the multiverse then perhaps nullify the grandfather paradox and the obstacle to traveling back in time?

16:32Well, except that if you go to another universe, then you're not really traveling back in time in your universe.

16:38You're traveling back in time in another universe.

16:40I mean, it's not clear to me that that nullifies it.

16:43To me, it's just, in some sense, it's sidestepping the question, I think.

16:48When one talks about time travel, you're really talking about traveling back in time in your universe to your, you know, the universe you live in.

16:57Travel back in time in another universe doesn't seem to me to be sort of quite as satisfying.

17:01And I don't think that's what people really mean.

17:03You know, if you kill your grandfather in another universe, then you don't exist.

17:06Well, you know, is that traveling back in time?

17:10I don't know.

17:11But certainly the multiverse, mathematically, it's quite a robust idea.

17:18When you get to the state where space-time and bending is extreme, then you can generate some of these effects, like wormholes and things like that.

17:28So that's the idea.

17:29But this is just nowhere near practically realizable at this point.

17:35The great theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking has gone on record as saying that one day, mankind will be able to travel into the distant future.

17:49He stresses, however, that this time travel will be limited to a forward motion.

17:56What then are we to make of the remarkably sincere account from lawyer Andrew Bishago, who claims he was part of a time travel experiment and he himself traveled backwards and forwards in time?

18:10I think they should believe me because I've spent 12 years now investigating my personal direct experiences in a classified U.S. defense project.

18:19I've gathered literally hundreds of facts regarding the people, the places, the technologies, and the time travel experiences that I had.

18:29Now, I'm a bright individual.

18:31I'm a Cambridge-educated lawyer, a past member of Mensa.

18:34But I am not Ray Bradbury.

18:36I am not a creative writing genius.

18:38I'm a journalist and a lawyer.

18:40And I've spent 12 years now gathering as much information as I can.

18:44And I'm simply telling it so that other people have the benefit of knowing that these things took place.

18:49Is it possible that mainstream physicists who negate a present capability to time travel are simply wrong?

18:57Or are they guilty of what one researcher has called faulty scientific due diligence with respect to quantum access time travel technology?

19:06In that sense, I don't think it has so much to do with time travel as it has to do with the structure of general relativity and the structure of physical theories.

19:13That do have limits that are basically nonsensical.

19:18When you get to the state where space-time bending is extreme, then you can generate some of these effects.

19:25Like wormholes and things like that.

19:27So that's the idea.

19:28But this is just nowhere near practically realizable at this point.

19:34The whole problem is that we shake our heads at fundamentalist religion of various kinds and say,

19:43well, the guy's just closed his mind to all the other possibilities.

19:47But there is a danger of fundamentalism in science.

19:53And a number of concepts have become ingrained in the traditional scientific teaching that goes on in the leading universities and in the leading research companies.

20:06For me, H.G. Wells said it best.

20:09We all have our own time machines.

20:12Those that take us back are memories.

20:15And those that carry us forward are dreams.

20:18And now, we'd like to know what you think.

20:21You can contact us here at The Conspiracy Show through our website, www.theconspiracyshow.com.

20:27In the meantime, don't be afraid.

20:29Move over, Aphrodite.

20:30I'm coming home.

20:31Good night.

20:59I'm coming home.

21:00I'm coming home.