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The Conspiracy Show with Richard Syrett Season 1 Episode 2 9/11 Controlled Demolition

Richard travels to New York, San Francisco and Seattle to investigate claims the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down by explosives placed inside the towers prior to the 911 attacks. The founders of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Firefighters for 9/11 Truth present their best evidence for controlled demolition and a Fire and Explosives expert attempts to refute their claims.

Broadcast personality Richard Syrett creates a calm, rational platform on which stars from the worlds of conspiracy thought, the paranormal, alternate health can engage in high quality discourse in these subject arenas.

Director: Jalal Merhi
Writer: Richard Syrett
Stars: Ron Craig, Richard Gage, Eric Lawyer

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00:00Welcome to the Conspiracy Show.
00:10My name is Richard Serrett.
00:12According to the official version, the World Trade Center towers collapsed as a result of
00:16the plane crash damage and resulting fire damage that occurred as part of the September
00:2211, 2001 attacks.
00:24But there is a second very controversial theory which contends that the World Trade Center
00:30towers were brought down by controlled demolition as a result of explosives placed inside the
00:36buildings in advance.
00:39Is there evidence that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by controlled demolition?
00:44Is this being covered up?
00:46And if so, how could such a plot have been carried out?
00:50Tonight, two researchers, the founders of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth and Firefighters
00:57for 9-11 Truth, present their best evidence.
01:00I'll also speak with a fire and explosion expert who steadfastly maintains there is absolutely
01:06no evidence for explosives in the World Trade Center collapse.
01:10Me?
01:11I just want the truth.
01:14Friends, it is time to rudely engage reality.
01:17I'm here in Lafayette, California, just outside San Francisco, to speak with Richard Gage,
01:38founder and director of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
01:42Richard, you had a successful practice as an architect.
01:47You've given that all up for this.
01:48Why?
01:49I didn't see another choice.
01:52I was presented with evidence for the explosive controlled demolition of the Twin Towers.
01:58And so we have a problem in our country.
02:00If these were explosive controlled demolitions, then there is very serious problems in this
02:05country that obviously predated 9-11 and that have to be dealt with urgently.
02:13You'll see these incredible upward-outward arching streamers, geometry almost of fireworks in the
02:21destruction of both towers.
02:23We have these very, very hot gases forming these pyroclastic-like clouds shaped like cauliflower.
02:29It's an extraordinary display, not of a gravitational collapse, more evocative of a volcanic eruption.
02:38We would expect to see, in a gravitational collapse, the top portion driving the rest of the building down.
02:44But in the case of the North Tower, the top portion above the point of jet plane impacts,
02:49that 15-story section, it doesn't drive the rest of the building down.
02:52It's destroyed itself in the first four seconds of this building's destruction, in a mini-controlled demolition, if you will.
03:00The official report goes to great lengths and is fraudulent in its attempt to convince the American public
03:09that these buildings were brought down by weakening due to the office fires and a gravitational collapse down to the ground.
03:17It just became unacceptable.
03:19It's like a cultural thing.
03:20You just don't talk about anything other than the terrorists doing it.
03:23And so, I think it's just been that.
03:25It's just been a cultural acceptance to, it's a taboo topic, and they're afraid to stand up and say something.
03:36In the very beginning, I would bring it up all the time.
03:38But now, if someone's open to it, if I see an opening, I'll start talking about it.
03:42Because I know for myself, when people would shove it down my throat, it made me resist even more.
03:46I would just put up my walls and I wouldn't listen.
03:48Mr. Eric Lawyer.
03:50I'm here in Seattle, Washington, to speak with Eric Lawyer, a 14-year veteran of the Seattle Fire Department and the founder of Firefighters for 9-11 Truth.
04:019-11 was the greatest loss of life and property damage in U.S. fire history.
04:05This should have been the most protected, preserved, over-tested, and thorough investigation of a crime scene in world history.
04:11Sadly, it was not.
04:12At 22 years of experience, I've seen a lot of crime scenes.
04:14I've never seen anything like this in my life.
04:17A total of 343 firefighters and paramedics lost their lives during the attacks on 9-11.
04:23This didn't even follow the basic standards.
04:27After being in this movement, I've spoken with a lot of military intelligence officers that have helped us with a lot of this stuff.
04:32Colonel George Nelson, he was a 34-year military career in the Air Force, and he was a crash investigator.
04:37And so he oversaw a lot of investigations.
04:39And I asked him, I said, when did you first realize that something didn't add up?
04:42And he said, I was suspicious on day one.
04:44I knew by day four for sure.
04:47This just doesn't make sense.
04:48The fact that the government to this day refuses to test and follow national standards, it tells me they're hiding something.
04:54I've never seen an investigation where they refuse to follow the basics.
05:01Ron Craig is a fire and explosion expert and is here on The Conspiracy Show to provide some forensic analysis of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers.
05:11Ron, welcome to The Conspiracy Show.
05:12Thank you very much, Richard.
05:13It's great to be here.
05:14We see two 110-story structures practically turned to dust and then collapse at free-fall speed.
05:29A lot of people have a problem with the official version, Ron.
05:33An extraordinary event, an extraordinary visual that no one will ever forget, but there's not one iota of scientific evidence that explosives or thermite brought that building down.
05:43How do we know that, given that they didn't test for explosives?
05:48In the NIST report, they admit they didn't test.
05:51They say they investigated it, but they didn't test.
05:54The NIST report is a 10,000-page tin rat.
05:59They're hoping that they'll never read all this stuff.
06:02It is full of misrepresentations, fraudulence, unbelievable gross distortions, and the complete omission of evidence.
06:15Clearly, we all saw what happened to that building.
06:18A plane slammed into it.
06:20That was followed by a fuel air explosion and a very significant fire and the collapse of the building.
06:25And it's interesting to me that it was only a few weeks later that people started to say, hey, maybe explosives brought it down.
06:32There were a couple of newscasters on the day that said it looked like an imploding building.
06:37So to say now, after the fact, oh, we should have conducted an investigation?
06:41This just doesn't make sense.
06:43The fact that the government to this day refuses to test and follow national standards, it tells me they're hiding something.
06:48I've never seen an investigation where they refuse to follow the basics, and especially on the greatest crime.
06:54You know, the first three building collapses in history.
06:58You know, any other fire investigation where it's a first, we exhaustively investigate it.
07:02And they analyze every piece of that building.
07:04There wasn't one expert in the United States that I know of that was calling for a forensic investigation
07:09using swabs to pick up residue regarding explosives for weeks after the event.
07:15Essentially, this was a fire.
07:20There are protocols for a fire investigation.
07:24There's something called the NFPA 921.
07:27Why wasn't that employed?
07:30Why wasn't there an actual fire investigation?
07:33NFPA 921 is a guide.
07:36It's not a standard.
07:37And it's left up to the individual investigator how they will carry out the investigation.
07:41If a fire investigator locally refused to follow the manual and refused, not just follow the manual,
07:46but refused to test for something that every other investigator would test for,
07:50there's going to be a lot of questions asked, and he's going to have to answer.
07:53And again, that's where I go back to the investigation.
07:55All these signs, does it prove that explosives were used?
07:57No.
07:58I don't think you can say it proves it, but it should make us suspicious that that's a possibility,
08:02especially with how far laterally things were thrown.
08:05And again, you know, it's the investigation.
08:07Just invest, test for it.
08:08You know, test for these explosives.
08:10It's not a crazy thing to ask.
08:12We test for them all the time.
08:13On a routine house fire, if we suspect the slightest use of an accelerant, we're going to test for it.
08:18We're not going to throw the evidence away and say, nope, there's no signs of it.
08:21Official sources like the USGS, US Geological Survey, and R.J. Lee and other environmental firms,
08:29find in all of the World Trade Center dust, this thick 4 to 12 inch volume of dust,
08:37which blanketed lower Manhattan like a snow storm,
08:41they find in it small, previously molten iron microspheres, the diameter of a human hair.
08:49There's billions of these.
08:53They're in all the samples.
08:55They're characteristic of the dust, such that it's a signature element of the World Trade Center dust,
09:00and yet they have no plausible explanation for them.
09:04Where could they come from?
09:05Well, if there were thousands of cutter charges, if you will, explosive charges or incendiary charges,
09:12under explosive conditions, the byproduct of thermite, an incendiary, is molten iron.
09:22And this molten iron is found, by the way, by the first responders.
09:26They say it's flowing like lava.
09:28Not only this, but a small team of international scientists found in all of their samples of the World Trade Center dust,
09:37curious small red-gray chips.
09:39These are red on one side, gray on the other.
09:42Now, the red side is composed of what?
09:45Iron oxide and aluminum.
09:47Where do these come from?
09:50This is the ingredients of thermite.
09:52And again, we estimate from what we see in the dust samples,
09:57approximately, and this is rough, but approximately 3 tons of unexploded nanothermite in the dust.
10:05The United States Geological Service conducted tests in 35 places around the World Trade Center building on an ongoing, continuous basis.
10:13They analyzed all of the dust samples, and I have the report right in front of me,
10:17and there is nowhere in this report that it says that there are any iron spheres.
10:20The evidence that's presented by the conspiracy theorists to prove that thermite or thermate was used in the building
10:26is based on samples that they found, based on samples that they tested.
10:31There's no evidentiary procedures being followed in terms of protecting the evidence, no chain of custody.
10:37So it makes me suspicious.
10:38And in fact, if you tried to put that into a court of law, the court wouldn't accept it.
10:42They would say that the evidence is not strong enough to stand on its own as a fact.
10:46If you look again at the research, the 9-11 conspiracy research, they all say the same thing.
10:53An office fire is not a hot fire.
10:55Au contraire, as they say.
11:00Let's talk about the lobby of the North Tower.
11:04There is footage on YouTube.
11:05First responders going in there after the airliner struck the building.
11:09If there was a fire that had reached the lobby, one would expect charred walls and ceilings.
11:21We'd see scorching.
11:22We'd see burning.
11:23We'd see blistering.
11:24We'd see a lot of carbon.
11:26And so we'd see all those things.
11:27Well, in the lobby, it's very clean.
11:30The white paint is pristine.
11:32There are plants there, still green.
11:35The elevator cars, none of them are burned.
11:38There's no soot on the ceiling.
11:39Ceiling's perfectly white.
11:40The lights are still working.
11:42Everything is clean.
11:44It doesn't look like a fire.
11:46You're absolutely right.
11:47And that's my analysis as well.
11:49And that came out in the NIST report.
11:50And there are many problems with the NIST report.
11:53They established that the fuel air explosion that took place on the floor where the airplane hit,
11:58that fireball had communicated itself somehow down into the lobby.
12:01And clearly that's not the case.
12:03Because you're right.
12:03You would see charring.
12:04You would see black carbon.
12:06You would see a completely different scene.
12:07So I have no idea why NIST would say that that explosion had gone down into the lobby.
12:12Absolutely none.
12:13Well, there's so many inconsistencies.
12:15The biggest, just from a common sense point of view, is NIST states on Tower 7 that it was a critical failure of Column 79.
12:23So we've joked in the firehouse about it, my friends that support this too, is if you would have gone to September 10th and asked the structural engineers that day when there was no emotion involved,
12:33and you said, if we were to have just a blazing inferno in this structure burned for hours and one structural member collapsed or failed,
12:42would we get a complete progressive collapse of the entire building, they would laugh at you.
12:46Let's talk about Building 7.
12:48What brought it down?
12:49Well, let's look at the whole situation regarding Building 7, because that really is interesting to a fire and explosion investigator.
12:56And it's become the holy grail to 9-11 conspiracy theorists.
13:00Remember, Building 7 wasn't hit by an airplane.
13:02It's a 47-story skyscraper that collapses at 520 in the afternoon, smoothly, symmetrically, suddenly, straight down into its own footprint almost, and at freefall acceleration.
13:17Now, when you see a building collapse from fire, you know, wood structures, brick structures, masonry structures, they don't go perfectly into their own footprint, and they don't go at near freefall speed.
13:27It's a deformation, and they slowly start leaning one way, and it will be, you know, kind of a slow collapse.
13:33When the building was hit by debris from the World Trade Center building, it started on fire.
13:38The sprinkler systems did not work, because the pipe running the water to them had been cut.
13:43The people left the building. The fire department had a meeting.
13:47Since everybody had been removed from the building, they allowed it to burn all day and turned their attention to Building 1 and 2 and to the recovery effort that had to take place there.
13:56So we had a building that had a fire in it all day.
13:59So the question is, is how much fire took place?
14:01Well, if you look again at the research, the 9-11 conspiracy research, they all say the same thing.
14:06An office fire is not a hot fire.
14:08Is fire capable of that level of precision?
14:12Most people agree that it's not.
14:14It's an organic process that moves through the building every 20 minutes or so, because that's all the fuel there is.
14:20Au contraire, as they say.
14:22In fact, offices present a very, very significant fire threat.
14:26You have paper, you have synthetics, you no longer have wooden desks,
14:30but you have plastics and other polycarbonates that will burn and create a very intense heat.
14:35In fact, if we look at some of the building collapses that have occurred, they've occurred in buildings that have office fire.
14:42So we can say there was a very significant fire there.
14:44How much, we don't know.
14:46In order for this building to collapse internally in about 10 seconds, externally in about 6 seconds,
14:5216 seconds altogether for this 47-story massive steel-framed building where the columns and beams are very rigidly welded to each other,
15:01those connections have to have given up in the amount of about 400 structural steel connections per second.
15:11This is also impossible in a highly redundantly designed building.
15:18If you look at the NIST report, and I think the report is flawed regarding Building 7,
15:22they said it was a failure of a critical beam or column, and that caused the collapse.
15:28The report came out saying that our best hypothesis of how this building collapsed,
15:35which is fire and then complete collapse, has only a low probability of occurrence.
15:41Further examination, research, analysis are required.
15:44I mean, I've never heard of a concrete and steel building collapsing from fire before.
15:49There's people that, that debunkers that have sent me stuff,
15:52and they'll, they'll talk about certain buildings where the roofs came in,
15:57or that steel, you know, that steel loses its strength.
15:59I have a feeling that the connections were significantly violated by the heat,
16:03and when the connections start to give off, the building starts to collapse.
16:07Steel does lose its integrity, but what we don't see is it,
16:10all the rest of the members that were cool, hard,
16:12they will support that part of the structure still.
16:14So if you're going to have that kind of collapse, it's going to fall to one side.
16:17And like these other examples they've sent me, it's partial collapses.
16:20There's no other that I've ever seen, and I haven't had anyone able to send me anything,
16:25that shows a 47-story high-rise coming down into its own footprint from fire.
16:29Unfortunately, none of the research that I've done indicates that the connections
16:34or the fireproofing material that was used on Building 7 had ever been tested.
16:38So we are left to think, is that one of the contributing factors?
16:43And I think that it is.
16:44I will tell you that I'm doing a lot of research into Building 7,
16:47but I'm discounting the NIST report, which I think was very poorly done.
16:53One would need to have access inside the elevator shafts,
16:57access to the core columns and beams in the World Trade Center.
17:02In fact, we had just that.
17:03I'm not an engineer, and I know next to nothing about explosives.
17:12All I know is that to my untrained eye,
17:14the collapse of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7
17:17appeared to be a controlled demolition.
17:21But we know appearances can be deceiving.
17:23We just heard from two members of the 9-11 Truth Movement
17:27who provided some pretty compelling evidence to suggest
17:30explosives were used in the demolition of the North and South Towers and Building 7.
17:37My personal opinion is they don't want to find explosives.
17:42The only reason on something like this, of this magnitude,
17:45that you would refuse to follow the national standards
17:47is you're hiding something.
17:49You don't, you know, does that mean they planted them?
17:51Not necessarily.
17:52There could have, you know, there could have been payoffs for certain people.
17:55I mean, there's all kinds of things that could have happened.
17:56One would need to have access inside the elevator shafts,
18:01access to the core columns and beams in the World Trade Center
18:05because they're immediately grouped and adjacent to each other.
18:09Well, if you had the cover of, say, an elevator modernization,
18:14that would give you unhindered access,
18:17and the occupants of the building would not even see you.
18:20In fact, we had just that,
18:22a nine-month-long elevator modernization of the World Trade Center,
18:27the largest one going on.
18:29This is documented in Elevator World, March 2001.
18:31This would have given them the access they needed.
18:35Of course, they would need to get through security.
18:37So, we want an investigation,
18:41not only the destruction of these buildings,
18:43but of Ace Elevator, the company who had this contract,
18:46not only of them, but, of course, the security company as well,
18:49Securicom, Stratasec,
18:51who had the security contract, I understand, up until September 11th.
18:56So, I mean, it's not direct evidence,
19:00but it's something to make us suspicious.
19:02And again, that's where I go back to the investigation.
19:04All these signs, does it prove that explosives were used?
19:07No, I don't think you can say it proves it,
19:09but it should make us suspicious that that's a possibility.
19:11Their own efforts to prove the collapse-by-fire theory
19:16betray what really happened and what we see in the videos.
19:20So, we want a real investigation.
19:22We want them to reveal the computer inputs.
19:26They say to us, it might jeopardize public safety
19:30were we to release these computer inputs.
19:33This is ludicrous.
19:34In fact, the reverse is true.
19:35It jeopardizes public safety to not release this information
19:39because there's many other buildings, high-rises, out there
19:42with some of the same characteristic structural features
19:46as World Trade Center 7.
19:48This information must be released.
19:50We also heard from a fire and explosion expert
19:53who did his best to refute that evidence.
19:56And I have to admit, he did a pretty good job.
19:59Not good enough to convince me that no explosives were used,
20:02but at least good enough to further muddy the water.
20:06But one thing is crystal clear to me.
20:08Both sides in this debate have a tendency to search for
20:11or interpret information that confirms their own preconceptions.
20:15There certainly is no chemical analysis that would lead us to believe
20:19that the tons of thermite or thermate that would be required to cut the beams
20:23is present.
20:24So, therefore, how can you justify another investigation?
20:27I believe there should be an investigation into why the buildings
20:30were allowed to be built, where they could pick and choose building codes
20:33from the earlier building code from the 30s
20:35and from the new building code that was going to come in.
20:38That leaves it up to you and me to search through the rubble for the truth.
20:42Unfortunately, that rubble was hauled away, so we may never know.
20:47And as a result, all that will remain are suspicion and speculation.
20:52And now, we'd like to know what you think.
20:55You can contact us here at The Conspiracy Show
20:57through our website, www.theconspiracyshow.com.
21:02In the meantime, don't be afraid.
21:06Move over, Aphrodite. I'm coming home.
21:08Good night.
21:32I'm coming home.