Werewolves, The Conspiracy Show, Ep.204

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The Conspiracy Show with Richard Syrett Season 2 Episode 4 Werewolves  Richard travels to Kent in the south of England to investigate reports of werewolf sightings. He meets with an acclaimed paranormal investigator in New York's Central Park who separates fact from fiction regarding the legend of the werewolf, and a journalist describes eye-witness accounts of a bi-pedal, wolf-like creature said to be haunting a lonely stretch of road in Wisconsin.  Broadcast personality Richard Syrett creates a calm, rational platform on which stars from the worlds of conspiracy thought, the paranormal, alternate health can engage in high quality discourse in these subject arenas. Director: Jalal Merhi Writer: Richard Syrett Stars: Neil Arnold, Linda S. Godfrey, Rosemary Ellen Guiley

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00:00Welcome to The Conspiracy Show.

00:12My name is Richard Serrett.

00:14According to legend, the werewolf, or lycanthrope,

00:17is a human with the ability to shapeshift into a wolf or wolf-like creature.

00:22The human can transform into a werewolf in one of three ways.

00:26Either purposely, after being bitten by another werewolf,

00:30or after being placed under a curse.

00:33In most accounts, the anthropomorphic wolf creature has superhuman strength,

00:38is by and large bipedal, and retains most of the wolf characteristics,

00:43including long curved claws, a long snout, and fearsome canine fangs.

00:50As hard as this may be to swallow,

00:52there have been numerous alleged werewolf sightings in recent years,

00:56in places like Kent and in the south of England,

00:59and along a lonely stretch of road in the state of Wisconsin.

01:03So tonight, The Conspiracy Show investigates the werewolf,

01:08and whether there may be some truth behind this legend.

01:11We're about to meet a noted paranormal investigator in New York City,

01:16who will separate fact from fiction on the subject,

01:19and two cryptozoologists, one in Kent, England, and the other in Wisconsin,

01:24who've investigated alleged werewolf sightings.

01:27And of course, all this talk of werewolves will be tempered with a skeptical viewpoint,

01:33from our no-nonsense investigator of paranormal claims.

01:37Me? I'm like you. I just want the truth.

01:42And I'm willing to follow the truth wherever it leads.

01:46It is time to redefine reality.

01:49Genetic enigma or a human-alien hybrid?

01:53That's how cynical I am now about the process.

01:56This isn't true meaning they're going to attack.

01:58They're going to ignore this.

01:59They're going to make it.

02:01Has been engineered by the Illuminati?

02:04There's no doubt.

02:05I'm here with Neil Arnold,

02:06the British Isles preeminent paranormal researcher.

02:09Neil, what is it about this region of England, Kent?

02:13You get so many sightings here of strange mythical creatures, werewolves.

02:16What is it about this place?

02:18I just think, like a lot of places, when they're quite old,

02:20it's far more interesting to do research into an area like that,

02:24with lots of folklore.

02:31Neil, what's your definition of a werewolf?

02:34I believe there's several kind of definitions.

02:36Mainly, of course, people see a werewolf as being something akin

02:39to the stuff you'd see in movies, these bipedal creatures

02:43with a very long sort of muzzle.

02:45But I believe it's something that goes back similar to vampires,

02:48possibly since the dawn of man,

02:50whether it's a shape-shifting type of being

02:52or some kind of sort of paranormal manifestation.

02:55Possibly something more to do with the human psyche, possibly.

02:58What do witnesses typically report seeing?

03:01Generally, and it seems to be all across Britain,

03:03is that people are seeing a figure that is sort of usually bipedal,

03:08covered in shaggy fur, usually with a long muzzle,

03:11or some type of what they describe as man-beast.

03:14But of course, in the UK, it seems very unlikely we could have

03:17any type of unknown animal.

03:19So it seems that it's to do with, or a product of the human psyche.

03:23Linda Godfrey is the author of The Beast of Bray Road, Hunting the American Werewolf,

03:29and Monsters of Wisconsin.

03:31Linda, welcome to The Conspiracy Show.

03:33Thanks for having me.

03:39When did you first become aware of this wolf-like creature

03:44along Bray Road in Wisconsin?

03:46It was back in December of 1991 when I started hearing rumors

03:51around my own hometown that people were seeing what they were calling,

03:55for lack of a better word mostly, a werewolf,

03:57because it stood five to seven feet tall, covered with fur,

04:01had a long muzzle, erect ears on top of its head.

04:05And the weird thing was that it walked on its hind legs very easily,

04:10on its toe pads, not on all fours like a dog.

04:13And the thing that made me decide to tell my editor,

04:17I think we should write a story about this,

04:19was that they weren't acting like hoaxters.

04:23They were phoning our county animal control officer

04:26and telling him about it and saying,

04:28I saw this thing, I don't know what it was,

04:31but if there was such a thing as a werewolf, this would be it.

04:34And so then our county animal control officer, when I paid him a visit,

04:38showed me a manila file folder that he had labeled werewolf.

04:42So when you have a county official with a file folder marked werewolf,

04:46that's news in anybody's book.

04:48What did your editors at the newspaper say

04:51when you told them you wanted to write a story about this?

04:54Well, they were, luckily it was sort of a slow news time,

04:58and they thought that it would be a fun local interest story,

05:02and that everybody would have some fun with it for a few weeks,

05:04and then it would die down.

05:06But instead, within a couple of weeks,

05:08Inside Edition came out and did a half hour piece on it.

05:11I was getting calls from all over the country,

05:13and letters from people saying,

05:15this is no joke, I saw this thing, or my dad saw this thing, it's real.

05:19And I was shocked to learn that these creatures are seen all over the United States and the world,

05:24not just on one little isolated road in Wisconsin.

05:27It's important, however, not to be afraid,

05:31because fear seems to generate a magnetic effect all of its own,

05:35and it literally attracts what you're afraid of to you.

05:43Rosemary Ellen Guiley is a paranormal investigator

05:46and the author of the Encyclopedia of Vampires and Werewolves.

05:51Rosemary, welcome.

05:52Thank you, Richard.

05:58The werewolf is interested in a bloody rampage.

06:02The werewolf of folklore is interested in a bloody rampage.

06:05The connection between werewolves and the full moon

06:08is something that's been embellished a lot in fiction.

06:11When we look at some of the earlier cases from centuries ago,

06:15werewolves, people that is who had the magical ability to change into a wolf form,

06:20could do so at any time.

06:22Sometimes it was during the cycle of the moon.

06:25Let's talk about the man-beasts that have been spotted along this very short,

06:30seemingly unremarkable stretch of road in Wisconsin called Bray Road.

06:36People there, what are they seeing?

06:38The beast of Bray Road, also known as a sort of a werewolf-type creature.

06:45The werewolf is an interesting idea and is a metaphor in a way for mankind.

07:02We have these beasts of prey like Jeffrey Dahmer and Jack the Ripper.

07:07And in fact, in earlier times, the crimes of such people were thought to be the work of werewolves.

07:16There was a creature around this area known as the Great Dog.

07:19It was a ferocious folkloric type of monster.

07:22But on one occasion, a chap was walking in the area when this creature leapt out on him,

07:27bit him in the throat, killed him and ate him on the spot.

07:31And what was left of this poor guy was said to have been buried on the Pilgrim's Way.

07:35In our myth-making capacity as human beings, I think we tend to invent entities in our image.

07:41So Bigfoot is our stupid cousin from the past.

07:45But E.T., the extraterrestrial, is a futuristic version of us.

07:50And I think werewolves and vampires are us with an attitude.

07:54Did you begin your investigation as a skeptic?

07:57I did begin very much as a skeptic with my reporter's hat on.

08:01And I still try to keep my reporter's hat on.

08:04And most of the time, I just can't find any way to explain it.

08:07This is not the sort of place you want to walk at night, is that right?

08:10Yeah.

08:11What made you encounter?

08:13A very large creature, about eight and a half foot tall, with burning red eyes.

08:19There's been several reports where people have actually seen a very strange man-beast up until just a few years ago.

08:25And on one occasion, a local area called Bluebell Hill, which is very wooded, got lots of folklore and Roman mythology.

08:32These group of friends were walking into the wood one night, came down this track and there was this creature up ahead,

08:38which they said was about eight feet tall.

08:40It was like a creature that had red eyes that he said was coming across the field.

08:44Always at night?

08:45Usually at night, yeah.

08:47And you don't really get people in this area of a night.

08:50They tap notions of predation, being predatory, the notion that the devil made me do it, something came over me.

09:00I didn't know what I was doing.

09:03It's all about us.

09:04We're making a mythology about us.

09:06The girl that C1 in 2008, as it was crossing a road, and she said she crashed the vehicle, broke her arm,

09:14and she just said that she struggles to sleep at night now.

09:17Nobody really takes her serious as to what she's seen.

09:20Most encounters happen in automobiles, they're driving down the road, and the people are pretty safe.

09:26But those out in the open, I would exercise extreme caution.

09:31I've had people shoot at them with little or no effect.

09:34People talk about sort of silver bullets to repel these creatures.

09:38I think, again, this is just the stuff of Hollywood.

09:40I think we create these type of repellents simply so we feel there is something that can keep us safe.

09:46If one were to encounter a werewolf, what should you do?

09:51Run.

09:53And, of course, if there is something out in the woods, we don't really want to know about it.

09:58We like mystery, but we don't want it starting to come into our bedrooms or our back gardens.

10:03Most of the time when people encounter, by surprise, supernatural entities, the entities go away.

10:11They really don't want any interaction with us.

10:14It's important, however, not to be afraid because fear seems to generate a magnetic effect all of its own

10:21and it literally attracts what you're afraid of to you.

10:26So, of course, Hollywood tends to paint this picture of a guy that transforms by the full moon

10:31and still leaves some of his clothes on his hairy body and goes on the rampage,

10:35but I don't think that's true, certainly, in the UK.

10:38Linda, you've discussed the possibility that the beast of Bray Road, this thing that's being called a werewolf,

10:49may just in fact be an undiscovered variety of wild dog.

10:53But is there a possibility in your mind that it is in fact a lycanthrope, a shape-shifting creature that's a human by day and a wolf at night?

11:04Well, I don't discount any possibility. I try and keep a really open mind.

11:08And while I don't believe that actual human beings turn into physically wolf-like creatures,

11:15you know, every corpuscle changing and your DNA changing, like in the movies,

11:20I do believe that it's possible that there are other types of supernatural manifestations that could look like that.

11:27But I just have seen enough strange things and heard enough strange things that I do keep an open mind as to that possibility.

11:34So, of course, Hollywood tends to paint this picture of a guy that transforms by the full moon

11:39and still leaves some of his clothes on his sort of hairy body and goes on the rampage,

11:43but I don't think that's true, certainly, in the UK.

11:46The face of a bear, you may think that bears and wolves don't look much alike,

11:51but get a good picture of the head of each and they have the same muzzle.

11:55They're not that different if you were not getting a good look at something.

12:00I see no reason to invoke the word werewolf, really, with the Bray Road,

12:05because they might as well be talking about Bigfoot.

12:08Some say it's a bear-like creature.

12:11Or we don't have something that's clearly a wolf,

12:15because once you start having it bipedal, it's not a wolf.

12:20It's not even a werewolf by the old European form.

12:24No, you're talking about because the werewolf, when it transformed, was a ravenous wolf.

12:30And the idea of an upright, sort of wolfish, man-like creature is probably mostly the effect of our mythologizing tendency.

12:41And the fact that you would expect if people were making things up,

12:45that these stories would vary widely, that the creature would look widely different,

12:49but it all always boils down to very much the same scenario and the same description.

12:56I get lots of reports of people that have seen strange creatures.

13:00I certainly believe that people are seeing something.

13:02Not everybody is a liar, not everybody is drunk or mad.

13:06What role does mass hysteria play in an incident like this,

13:10where you have people all over Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, reporting these sightings?

13:15Well, I think what most people, when they use the term mass hysteria, and it is a popular term,

13:20I think what they really want to refer to is something called contagion.

13:24And psychological contagion is a really simple thing to explain.

13:30And let me explain it with a very brief case that happened in the Netherlands.

13:34It's almost a classic case.

13:36We had a panda escape from a zoo in the Netherlands.

13:39And a media alert went out.

13:41Everybody's looking for the panda.

13:43Predictably, we start getting panda sightings.

13:47Eventually, we had about a hundred panda sightings.

13:50We know the panda didn't get out.

13:52We know it didn't go anywhere.

13:54We know that in any case, it couldn't have been seen almost simultaneously all over the Netherlands.

14:00And we can just track that to so many other cases.

14:04We have this wonderful test case.

14:06I don't think that mass hysteria fits this case very well, because many times people never heard that there was such a thing before.

14:16And then they just, years later, will chance to come across one of my books, or somebody will recommend me to them.

14:22And they're like, oh, thank goodness, there are other people who have seen this, you know.

14:26So, it's not like they knew about it.

14:28And if it was mass hysteria over something, you'd think they'd be seeing a creature like Bigfoot,

14:35or something that is made a lot more of and much more known to the public than this creature is.

14:41Yeah, when you look at the amount of people that do come forward, it's quite startling.

14:46People have actually been in tears talking to me about how they've actually seen something they just can't understand.

14:55Is it possible that Linda Godfrey has posited that what they're seeing might be some undiscovered species of wild dog?

15:02Witnesses describe this, it looks like a wolf, but it's bipedal.

15:06It seems to be able to hold things with its paws.

15:09Well, wolves aren't bipedal.

15:12If I were forced to give one creature that I think might mostly cover the Beast of Bray Road,

15:19I would be more amped to suggest a bear, because some of the descriptions say it was on all fours,

15:28and others that it stood upright.

15:30I think the real werewolf is a creature who lives in a parallel dimension.

15:35We have many legends going back to ancient times of creatures that would be called dogmen.

15:41They're half human, half animal.

15:43We may encounter these from time to time in certain areas.

15:46We may have like windows or doorways where our universe collides with theirs.

15:51So I think those are real.

15:53I also think that there are certain magically empowered people who have the ability to shapeshift into werewolves.

15:59But I think this is done in the astral form, not the physical.

16:03But I just believe that these type of things exist because it needs somebody to actually trigger these things off.

16:09So in other words, do they still appear if there is nobody there to see them?

16:13And I believe they don't.

16:15They can't live in the woods because it's not scientifically or biologically possible.

16:19So I believe that they've kind of over the years been given a strength through sort of the media and film.

16:25And also as well, more misunderstood cases in Europe centuries ago tended to be people that had strange medical issues,

16:31rabies, schizophrenia that weren't understood.

16:34So we labelled them as werewolves or vampires.

16:37And that's how these things have mainly come about.

16:40But I also believe these are strange sort of manifestations that for centuries have existed

16:45and that we've eventually put them there, moulded them, and they've become stronger in our culture.

16:49Now we know about serial killers.

16:51We're well onto that.

16:52Modern science has got those guys pegged.

16:55Hundreds of people all over the country and the world are reporting seeing this.

16:59And again, they run the gamut from kids to elderly, white-collar, blue-collar, men, women,

17:06sometimes couples or whole groups will see it at the same time, which rules out hallucinations.

17:11So, you know, unless there's some massive conspiracy to hoax me by all these hundreds of people phoning in

17:18and, you know, they're superb actors redisplaying this fear emotion that they had.

17:24Yeah, when you look at the amount of people that do come forward, it's quite startling.

17:28People have actually been in tears talking to me about how they've actually seen something they just can't understand.

17:34And, of course, there are a lot of people who don't want to tell their family about what they've seen

17:38because they fear ridicule.

17:40They don't want to tell friends because their friends won't take them seriously.

17:43So people seem very, very genuine as to what they are seeing.

17:47You know, and sometimes it's 20, 30 years later, but they still want to tell somebody who won't think they're crazy.

17:53I think if they know that somebody's actually out there doing proper research into it

17:57who won't sort of laugh at these stories, then they know at least they can open up and get it off their chest.

18:02And I think that's the important thing.

18:04And they want to know if it's connected to them, why they should see it, as if it's picked on them.

18:09But then, of course, you start getting more and more reports and you realise there's more going on

18:13and they're not the only people that's actually seen it, which is quite a relief for them.

18:17So, how do we explain this ancient, widespread legend of the lycanthrope?

18:22Certain cursed human individuals shape-shifting into wolf-like creatures which rip their human prey limb from limb.

18:29Most likely, the werewolf legends have been used to explain serial killings,

18:34particularly serial killers who have indulged in certain practices associated with werewolves,

18:40such as cannibalism and mutilation.

18:43Then, of course, there were occasional but widespread wolf attacks across Europe until the 20th century.

18:51It's also possible that historical accounts of werewolves could be explained by a number of medical conditions,

18:58such as hypertrichosis, a hereditary condition manifesting in excessive hair growth,

19:04or porphyria, with its symptoms of photosensitivity, reddish teeth, and psychosis.

19:11And, of course, there are remarkable similarities between symptoms of the rabies disease and the werewolf legend.

19:19The sightings of bipedal wolf-like creatures in England are tougher to explain.

19:25For those of us who believe in a spiritual realm, we have to at least consider the possibility

19:31that these eyewitnesses are catching a fleeting glimpse into another dimension,

19:36one in which such creatures may exist.

19:40The wolf-like creature seen walking on two legs in parts of Wisconsin and Michigan.

19:45Is it a bear?

19:47An as-yet-undiscovered species of wolf or some other canine?

19:52I'd have to see one for myself before making up my mind.

19:56And here's hoping I may never have that opportunity.

20:00And now I'd like to know what you think.

20:03You can contact us here at The Conspiracy Show through our website,

20:07www.theconspiracyshow.com

20:11In the meantime, don't be afraid.

20:14Okay.

20:15What is great.

20:16It's great.

20:18That's great.

20:19This is the event.

20:21You can see the past subscribe.

20:23But as soon as you go,

20:24listen to the possibly-

20:25It will not be afraid of.

20:26It will not be afraid.

20:28I'll be afraid.

20:29That's right.

20:32It will not be afraid.

20:33It will not be afraid of your heart.

20:35The problem is only for you,

20:37or when you're lying.

20:38It's great.

20:39It's great.

20:40You can see you.

20:41It will not be afraid.

20:42I don't know.

21:12I don't know.

21:42I don't know.

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