Osama Bin Laden, The Conspiracy Show, Ep.213

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The Conspiracy Show with Richard Syrett Season 2 Episode 13 Osama Bin Laden
Richard travels to Washington to investigate claims that Bin Laden, the supposed mastermind behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks and leader of the Al Qaeda terrorist cell was largely a creation of western intelligence groups. A veteran investigative journalist in Toronto argues that Bin Laden was not killed in May 2011 by US Navy Seals, but rather, died as early as December 2001. A Canadian national newspaper columnist and author refutes these claims.
Broadcast personality Richard Syrett creates a calm, rational platform on which stars from the worlds of conspiracy thought, the paranormal, alternate health can engage in high quality discourse in these subject arenas.
Director: Chris Power
Writer: Richard Syrett
Stars: Ron Craig, Jim Marrs, Michael Shermer

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00:00Welcome to The Conspiracy Show.

00:12My name is Richard Serrett.

00:14Who was Osama bin Laden?

00:16Was he the mastermind of the 9-11 attacks and the leader

00:19of a fundamentalist Muslim terrorist organization known

00:22as Al-Qaeda?

00:23Or was he a creation of Western intelligence groups like

00:27the CIA and MI6?

00:29A convenient bogeyman used to justify a phony war on terror.

00:33A war on terror that has been in turn used to create fear

00:36and a compliant, pliable citizenry willing to trade civil liberties

00:40and privacy for an illusory security.

00:43Tonight we'll meet several veteran investigative journalists

00:45and researchers who say bin Laden was a CIA asset

00:48up to and including the day of 9-11, and that he most likely

00:51died of kidney failure shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

00:56His reported death in 2011.

00:59A fabrication.

01:00A complete hoax.

01:01We'll also meet a skeptic who insists these theories are just

01:04a collection of baseless conspiracy theories.

01:07And everything we've been told about bin Laden and Al-Qaeda is true.

01:10Me?

01:11I just want the truth.

01:13And I'm willing to follow it wherever it leads.

01:16It is time to redefine reality.

01:19Genetic enigma.

01:20Genetic enigma.

01:21Or a human-alien irony.

01:22There were at least two guns.

01:24One was faring from the nose.

01:25Is it possible that they can alter whether the news

01:28was created by the corporation?

01:30Has been engineered by the Illuminati?

01:34There's no doubt.

01:35Osama bin Laden.

01:36Did he work for the CIA?

01:38He worked for primarily British intelligence.

01:45They brought in, as the national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

01:51You had a White House, which was involved in covert operations directly.

01:58And Brzezinski, working with the British Empire at that point, was able to pull off a tremendous operation,

02:07which was to use the Muslim card against the Soviets.

02:12As Brzezinski says, they wanted to give Russia its own Vietnam.

02:22Was he, in fact, always CIA asset?

02:25I would say not in the beginning, but I think, yes, later on he would have been.

02:30And he had a large part to play.

02:33There used to be a physical person called Osama bin Laden.

02:36And he was this misfit.

02:37He was a fanatic.

02:38He was an ignoramus, according to some.

02:40Couldn't lead a row of ducks across the road.

02:48Back in the 1970s, he comes from this wealthy family.

02:52They work with the U.S. interests across the Middle East.

02:56However, he was a misfit.

02:58He was a dreamer.

03:00And he was used for various purposes.

03:03He fell into the hands of intelligence people.

03:06And he was used then as a figurehead, as a kind of mystical character,

03:10to be the figurehead for this operation against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

03:14He did a very good job for the U.S.

03:17He got wounded six times in Afghanistan.

03:20He's a hero there.

03:22He was the guy when different young warriors were brought out of prisons in the Middle East,

03:28Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, wherever.

03:32They would come to be vetted and steered into various training camps.

03:38And Osama bin Laden was the first stop for many of them.

03:41Somehow he took charge of conduiting money and being the unifying figure for this CIA Arab Legion.

03:50It was a deep relationship.

03:52It was a long-standing relationship, a well-paid relationship, and one which some people believe,

04:00and we've heard this a lot in discussions of different aspects of what really was behind 9-1-1,

04:09that he continued to work for Western intelligence at the time of the 9-1-1 attacks.

04:17Is there an Al-Qaeda? Has there ever been an Al-Qaeda?

04:21Not the way they talk about it, no.

04:23Normally, Al-Qaeda is a kind of infantry.

04:26It's a kind of irregular terrorist guerrilla force working for the U.S.

04:32Now, the exception, therefore, is the 9-11 story,

04:35where all of a sudden this group is made into the demonized embodiment of all evil.

04:41You have to remember his family.

04:43His family were still in business, and probably are today, with the U.S. companies and the Bushes.

04:50But that's another reason why they couldn't for sure say,

04:53yes, he did it, because he's too intertwined with U.S. business.

05:00Western and Israeli and Arab intelligence agencies find it very useful to keep on hand, if you will,

05:10a stable or a capability of Islamic terrorism.

05:18Jonathan, was Osama bin Laden ever a CIA asset?

05:22This is a question you get a lot in 9-11 truther circles.

05:27And the answer is that the CIA and Osama bin Laden were broadly on the same side.

05:39Both Osama bin Laden and the Americans wanted the USSR out of Afghanistan in the 1980s.

05:44But if you read the 9-11 commission report, the Americans lost complete interest in Afghanistan after the Cold War ended.

05:51And not only did any active partnership between the Mujahideen and the CIA end,

05:57but the CIA basically picked up and left Central Asia,

06:01because they didn't feel like they had any interest left in Afghanistan or the surrounding area.

06:05I would have to ask who said that because...

06:07Jonathan Kaye. Jonathan Kaye, author of Among the Truthers.

06:10Well, I don't know where Jonathan Kaye, his expertise lies,

06:16but I think I'm probably about 30 years older than he is

06:21and been an investigative journalist a lot longer.

06:25So I don't buy everything that comes along the pike.

06:29His relationship to Western intelligence is...

06:32you can't argue with it.

06:35The idea that the CIA and Osama bin Laden were in partnership has no basis.

06:40It's there. The record is there.

06:42It has never been investigated by any of our governments.

06:45Osama bin Laden explicitly declared war against the United States.

06:49So the idea that the CIA would still be an active partnership

06:53with a group that was at war with the United States to me makes no sense.

06:57Western and Israeli and Arab intelligence agencies

07:01find it very useful to keep on hand, if you will,

07:05a stable or a capability of Islamic terrorism,

07:10whether to use in their own internal situations,

07:14Europe, United States, wherever.

07:16The U.S. and the British created an Arab Legion, and it's Al-Qaeda.

07:20And it doesn't just fight in Afghanistan. It fights the Soviets there.

07:23It fights the Serbs in the former Yugoslavia.

07:26It's used in Chechenia against the Russians.

07:29And of course, the Al-Qaeda was a computer base.

07:35Al-Qaeda means the base.

07:37And Osama and the CIA communicated on that base.

07:42It did mean database. However, it was a database of next of kin,

07:47so that Osama bin Laden and his fellow jihadi leaders

07:51could notify the next of kin of their lieutenants and fellow terrorists,

07:56if they died as martyrs. But the idea that you had CIA agents

08:01supervising Osama bin Laden and the other people on the Al-Qaeda list,

08:05I've never seen any evidence of that.

08:07And certainly it's not supported in the 9-11 Commission report.

08:10The reports that a CIA field officer visited a very ill Osama bin Laden

08:15in the American hospital in Dubai in the summer of 2001,

08:21reporting that he was close to death.

08:23Do you believe that report?

08:25That did happen. It was June and maybe into part of July.

08:29And yes, the CIA visited there. And his family visited him there.

08:35Yes. And nobody thought anything extreme about it.

08:40They all knew each other.

08:42I've heard that report from a number of people in the conspiracist community.

08:45They claim that bin Laden was receiving medical support

08:48from the U.S. military, from the CIA in Dubai, as you say.

08:53I've never seen any legitimate basis for that.

08:57But I do know that, you know, you don't have to be in the bloom of youth

09:01to inspire people to kill themselves.

09:03A lot of these people are very unhealthy individuals.

09:06But was Osama bin Laden the mastermind of the 9-11 attacks?

09:09I don't think so. I don't think so.

09:13I'm sure you've often heard it said,

09:15how could a man on dialysis in a cave in Tora Bora,

09:20equipped with only a satellite phone,

09:22pull off one of the greatest breaches of security in modern history?

09:26Yeah, I mean, that's always an applause line at 9-11 conspiracist conventions,

09:30especially the idea that he's in a cave

09:32and that somehow this couldn't be done.

09:34It is true that Al-Qaeda didn't require a lot of resources to perpetrate 9-11.

09:39I think it was less than a million dollars, the entire operation.

09:42But, you know, commercial passenger aircraft, at least in the pre-9-11 days,

09:47were extremely vulnerable.

09:49Even as early as the 60s and 70s, you had people who were even lower tech,

09:53you know, Cuban nationalists and Palestinian terrorists

09:56who had no resources whatsoever, and they were able to hijack aircraft.

09:59He said, at the time that 2001 happened, he said he had nothing to do with it.

10:06He didn't say how terrible or anything, but he did say, I had nothing to do with it.

10:11And if you knew him, if he did have anything to do with it,

10:15he would have been the first one to advertise it, believe me.

10:18Remember, an American grand jury will indict a ham sandwich.

10:24You can get anybody indicted any time for anything.

10:27We know the story is a lie.

10:28What are we operating still on this level 10 years later

10:31when we know the whole thing is a complete fraud?

10:37An independent journalist contacted Rex Toome,

10:42who was, I believe, the director of publicity for the FBI,

10:45and asked Mr. Toome why Osama bin Laden was listed on the FBI's most wanted list online

10:56for the bombing of the embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania

11:00for the attack on the U.S. warship, the USS Cole,

11:04but he was not wanted for the attacks on 9-11.

11:09And he replied that the FBI didn't have enough evidence.

11:14Why did the Bush administration repeat again and again that he is guilty

11:20if the FBI said they didn't have the evidence?

11:23The other bombings, they didn't have enough evidence there either.

11:30They did not.

11:32Not having that particular crime of 9-1-1 listed as one of the acts of Osama bin Laden

11:39is a very, very telling little fact.

11:42I think when they concluded that Al-Qaeda was behind the 9-11 attacks,

11:45they checked the passenger manifests

11:47and they found at least two members of the hijacking team

11:51were known to U.S. officials.

11:53Those were the two that, in the 9-11 commission report,

11:56they focus on the ineptitude of the CIA and the FBI

11:59for not picking these two men out because they were known to officials

12:02and somehow they were let into the United States.

12:04And there was a lot of blame that was traded between the two agencies about that.

12:08It's actually an admission of the lack of evidence there.

12:12The United States Congress conducted an investigation,

12:1628 pages that go into the details about the Osama bin Laden involvement.

12:23The involvement of others from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

12:28have been classified, blacked out, kept out of the open.

12:33They don't want to any grand jury looking at this investigation.

12:37Remember, an American grand jury will indict a ham sandwich.

12:40You can get anybody indicted anytime for anything.

12:43We know the story is a lie.

12:45What are we operating still on this level ten years later

12:48when we know the whole thing is a complete fraud?

12:50And then what are we to make of the video that was released around December 2001,

12:58in which Osama bin Laden is seen, in fact, confessing to being the mastermind,

13:04although it was widely claimed to be suspicious, let's put it that way.

13:10Well, it was found in an apartment, wasn't it?

13:13Very nicely placed so that it would be found.

13:16And there were other videos after that.

13:19And, of course, facial experts looked at these in the end,

13:23and they said none of them was Osama bin Laden.

13:27I mean, if you can wear, put all these robes, the headpiece, then there's the beard.

13:33I mean, I could look like Osama bin Laden if they did all that to me.

13:38The most popular one was they'd show two photos side by side by side,

13:41saying, you know, could this be the same Osama bin Laden?

13:43To me, that's a parlor game.

13:45I could show you two photos of me taken from different angles that would look like two different people.

13:51You're not going to be able to prove anything that way.

13:54According to my analysis, there was an operation which bore the name of bin Laden,

14:01even though he was long gone.

14:02He's like Al-Sid in the Spanish myth, right?

14:05He fights long after he's dead.

14:07And what this was was, first of all, a bureau for the production of tapes.

14:11When George Bush needed to get reelected president in November of 2004,

14:15very timely tape by bin Laden came forward and reminded everybody of the main theme of Bush's campaign,

14:23which, of course, was 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, as long as he remained in office.

14:27So that was very timely.

14:28And what you notice when you look at these tapes is they're not the same person.

14:32Everybody in 2007 noticed that he had a very dark beard compared to previous ones.

14:37So that obviously attracted a certain amount of attention.

14:40It's kind of, in the Middle East, there are so many mysteries.

14:45He was not the one-person commander of this whole operation.

14:51He doesn't have to be, he didn't have to be.

14:54The fact that there were many people working with him who were capable of giving the orders.

15:00So this is not a monolith.

15:02It was more like a hydra.

15:05What did you make when the Obama administration announced that they had, in fact,

15:10tracked down Osama bin Laden and he was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in Pakistan?

15:16It was another Hollywood special. Absolutely.

15:25Who was Osama bin Laden?

15:26And did he have a long-standing connection with the CIA or some other Western intelligence group?

15:32And more importantly, did he die, as we're told, in May of 2011 or much earlier?

15:38There were so many conflicting reports about his death going back to 2001.

15:44There was the report from a Taliban official who said he was at his gravesite when he was buried.

15:51There was a French newspaper that carried the report of his death in 2006.

15:56What are we to believe? Do we know when, in fact, he did die?

16:01He died sometime, I think, in the late summer of 2001.

16:08Now, what's the story with bin Laden?

16:10According to everything that I've been able to see, he was already a very sick man at the turn of the century.

16:15Very likely that he died sometime around 2001, 2002.

16:20What did you make when the Obama administration announced that they had, in fact, tracked down Osama bin Laden and he was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in Pakistan?

16:31It was another Hollywood special. Absolutely.

16:36I was happy. You know, a bad man, someone who I believe was behind the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

16:42I think that this was a script. They made it sound like the most exciting shootout in modern times.

16:51How is it possible that Osama bin Laden could have been hiding in such plain sight?

16:56Pakistan is a place where actual conspiracies unfold. It's not a truly open society.

17:02It's controlled by the military and the ISI, which is their equivalent of the CIA.

17:06And it's not a true democracy. And genuinely creepy, spooky things do go on there, including an official military apparatus that, in some senses, seems allied with the jihadis.

17:17Until we get the forensic evidence, DNA, other questions are answered, we can't take it at face value.

17:25We cannot take this story at face value.

17:28The Americans didn't have any good options for dealing with Osama bin Laden's body.

17:32They took the best of the bad options by throwing him in the ocean.

17:37Most people trust what the U.S. government says about this sort of thing.

17:41I'm one of those people who, if someone says they threw his body into the ocean, I presume that's the truth, unless I see evidence otherwise.

17:48I do realize that there are many people who take the opposite point of view, which is that their first blush response is to distrust what the U.S. government says, unless they have compelling evidence.

17:59But we're never going to see photos, I think, of Osama bin Laden's dead body.

18:04It would just be too provocative, too great a risk of offending Muslim sensibilities and sending people into the streets.

18:09Who's the next bin Laden? Who are they going to create next?

18:12Well, the first one they said was a guy in Baluchistan.

18:16In other words, the interesting thing was the next bin Laden happened to be not in Flatbush, not in Finsbury, but in Pakistan, giving the possibility of demonizing them some more, too.

18:25But it turned out that, no, that guy didn't win out. It was actually Zawahiri.

18:30Now, Zawahiri is a notorious double agent for the British. He's the MI6 faction of Al-Qaeda.

18:38He, of course, was involved in the assassination of Anwar Sadat at the beginning of the 1980s, and he had taken refuge in London,

18:45and the Egyptians had demanded his extradition, and the British denied this.

18:49I think we can say with some confidence that this is a double agent working essentially for the secret intelligence service MI6 of Great Britain.

18:59But the interesting thing about him is he is also alleged to be in Pakistan.

19:04Again, how do they know this? How can they know so little and so much?

19:10Some days when it suits them, they know more. Other days when it doesn't, they know less.

19:15I don't know, except that the whole thing is a fraud, as I've been trying to say.

19:19And the judgment that it's a fraud subsumes every little quibble, and there are millions, in this crazy story that is told.

19:29There is no longer any question as to whether Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset.

19:35The question is, when, if ever, did the CIA sever ties with him?

19:39If we are to believe reports that he was visited in the American hospital in Dubai by a CIA field agent during the summer of 2001,

19:48it would appear that the relationship never ended, and that bin Laden was near death even before the September 11th attacks.

19:55Perhaps more intriguing to me is the fact that the FBI never listed Osama bin Laden as a suspect in the 9-11 attacks.

20:02According to one FBI spokesperson, there wasn't enough evidence.

20:07Finally, we are asked to believe that a U.S. joint special operations team known as SEAL Team 6 killed Osama bin Laden at his compound in Pakistan in May 2011.

20:19We never saw a body, or any video or photographic evidence.

20:23No journalist had an opportunity to interview any members of SEAL Team 6.

20:27And then, in August 2011, it was announced that 24 members of the elite team were killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

20:36Now, of course, we'll never know for sure.

20:38But the suspicions will live forever.

20:41Now, I'd like to know what you think.

20:43You can contact me here at The Conspiracy Show through the website www.theconspiracyshow.com

20:50In the meantime, don't be afraid.

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