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During a heated Winter Session debate on electoral reforms, Union Home Minister Amit Shah accused the Congress party of 'vote chori' (vote theft) across three generations, naming Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, and Sonia Gandhi. Shah defended the Special Intensive Revision (SIR) of electoral rolls and affirmed the government's policy to 'detect, delete and deport' illegal infiltrators. The fiery exchange prompted a walkout led by Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi, who had challenged Shah to a debate on the matter. Subsequently, Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiren Rijiju defended the government's agenda, which also included a 10-hour debate marking the 150th anniversary of 'Vande Mataram'. Rijiju characterized the opposition's 'vote theft' allegations as a 'false narrative'. The session featured panel discussions with figures like Brijesh Kalappa and Dr. Ajay Alok, addressing the Election Commission's credibility.
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00:00Good evening. Union Home Minister Amit Shah today tore into the opposition charge of vote chory
00:05with a point-by-point rebuttal of allegations that had been levelled in the past.
00:11The Home Minister insisted that the process to detect, delete and deport the ghuzpetyas
00:17or the illegals from this country will continue.
00:21He emphasised illegals will not be permitted to decide
00:25who the Prime Minister and Chief Ministers in this country will be.
00:29In fact, he'd said this in an exclusive interview to India Today earlier in the run-up to Bihar elections.
00:35But leader of opposition in Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi, said that the Home Minister's angry response
00:41actually reflected that the BJP and the Home Minister were on the defensive.
00:47The opposition, including the Congress Party, staged a walkout dissatisfied by the Home Minister's response
00:54who continued to insist that the Congress was losing not because of vote chory or the purification of the electoral list
01:04but for opposing surgical strikes.
01:08The Ram Mandir at Ayodhya and steps being undertaken by the Narendra Modi government
01:13for the betterment of the people of India.
01:15The Home Minister also gave out details of the number of elections that the opposition had won in various states
01:23and their tally in the Lok Sabha elections to say that when the opposition wins,
01:27they cannot say that the electoral list is fine
01:29and when they lose, blame the electoral list for their defeat.
01:34We get you more in this face-off between the government and the opposition.
01:38The SIR showdown explodes in Parliament.
02:06The debate on electoral reforms turned into a political firestorm.
02:14Union Home Minister Amit Shah stepped in with a point-by-point rebuttal to the opposition's charge sheet.
02:22Shah accused the opposition of running what he called a manufactured campaign on vote rigging.
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02:58On EVMs, Shah turned the attack squarely on the Congress.
03:10The trigger, Rahul Gandhi questioning why the election commission enjoys immunity.
03:20Shah countered sharply, saying it was Indira Gandhi who gave herself special protection
03:26after the emergency ERA election disputes.
03:29Speaker, sir, my question was yesterday.
03:32The first decision that the election commissioners will be given full immunity will be given.
03:48Okay.
03:49I haven't done this before.
03:53I'm sure I haven't done this before.
03:57Tell us first.
03:58The second decision was the Vulture, and the United States was made by the Vulture.
04:04The Vulture also made it once again.
04:07The Vulture was made of Ghandi Gandhi.
04:10The High Court was made of Sri Radha Narayan,
04:14that the Vulture was made of the attack.
04:17He also pointed to a petition filed in a Delhi court that claims Sonia Gandhi had voted even before formally obtaining Indian citizenship.
04:47He also pointed to a question that there is no work and there is no matter to be made.
04:53Now, there is a dispute in Delhi.
05:05There is a dispute that Sonia Gandhi will be made before this country.
05:15Rahul Gandhi, however, escalated, declaring he is ready for a debate on vote-chordi any
05:26time.
05:27Shah countered that opposition cannot dictate the parliament and must maintain decorum.
05:32The first thing I want to say is that I have been in the position of Vipaks and Neta Mohdai
05:49saying that I want to listen to my first question.
05:53I will not be able to say this.
05:56I will not be able to say this.
06:02The battle intensified as Shah declared that the opposition's anger stems from one reason.
06:09Vot-chordi has ended.
06:11Vot-chordi, Vot-chordi.
06:12Vot-chordi, Vot-chordi.
06:17Vot-chordi, Vot-chordi.
06:26He also responded on the leader of opposition's criticism on keeping the CJI out of CEC
06:32election process pointing to the past practice when the prime ministers picked the election
06:37commissioners.
06:39Vot-chordi.
06:40Vot-chordi.
06:41Vot-chordi.
06:42Vot-chordi.
06:43Vot-chordi.
06:44Vot-chordi.
06:45Vot-chordi.
06:46Vot-chordi.
06:47Vot-chordi.
06:48Vot-chordi.
06:49Vot-chordi.
06:50Vot-chordi.
06:51Vot-chordi.
06:52Vot-chordi.
06:53Vot-chordi.
06:54Vot-chordi.
06:55Vot-chordi.
06:56Vot-chordi.
06:57Vot-chordi.
06:58Vot-chordi.
06:59Vot-chordi.
07:00Vot-chordi.
07:01Vot-chordi.
07:02Vot-chordi.
07:03Amish Shah's counter-offensive and Rahul Gandhi's challenge
07:13have set the stage for an even more explosive session ahead.
07:18The winter session is far from over
07:20and the next round of this showdown is already locked in.
07:23With Aishwarya Paliwal and Maushami Singh,
07:27Bearer Report, India Today.
07:33So whether it was Union Home Minister Amish Shah,
07:36Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiran Rajiju,
07:38they said the opposition ran away as the truth about infiltrators stung him.
07:44And that the Ghuspethyas are the one that the opposition is seeking to protect.
07:48Now before we throw it open for a wider debate,
07:50a political debate,
07:51joining me on this India First special broadcast is O.P. Rawat,
07:56former Chief Election Commissioner of India.
07:58Sir, welcome.
07:59You heard the Home Minister.
08:01He insists that the SIR process for purification of voter list
08:05shall continue to detect, delete and deport the illegals.
08:09Sir, is the EC within its mandate to detect and delete
08:12and then of course the government deports?
08:16Actually, we should forget the political
08:17because both of them are correct in their positions.
08:23What exactly Election Commission is entitled or authorized to do
08:27is when you have a primophysic case that somebody has a doubtful record as citizen,
08:34only then they can inquire.
08:36They cannot universally inquire 100 crore voters' citizenship.
08:40That is not their domain, that is not their authority, that is not their right.
08:45That is the situation.
08:47Fair enough.
08:48Sir, the SIR has been done, as the Home Minister pointed out,
08:51several times from 1952 to 2004 and then post-2004 is being done in 2025.
08:59If objections were not raised in the past on the purification of the electoral list
09:04list in your appreciation, does the opposition, prima facie, have reason to do so now?
09:11That is because the process which is devised by the current Election Commission
09:16is not in tune with the past eight intensive revisions.
09:22Earlier it was never asked from every voter that you prove the citizenship.
09:26This time from Bihar onwards, they are asking every voter to prove their citizenship,
09:33which is against the 1995 ruling of Vulnerable Supreme Court.
09:36They can only ask the person about whom they have a doubt to prove his or her citizenship.
09:43That is the difference.
09:45Okay.
09:46And that is why Election Commission never gives you a list as to how many Ghusbethiyas
09:51have been removed by their efforts in SIR.
09:54They give only a list of dead, duplicate, removed from the electoral roll.
10:00Fair enough.
10:01And Rahul Gandhi's message or his statement saying that a future government could change
10:09the laws retrospectively and come and find you.
10:14Does that, in your view, amount to intimidation of Election Commission officials as is being claimed?
10:22Actually, in our country, no law can be made effective retrospectively.
10:27In fact, for saving political parties, they amended the FCRA with retrospective effect.
10:35But that was annuled by Honorable Supreme Court.
10:39So, no law can take retrospective effect.
10:41And that is why whatever is being said in this realm is political rhetoric.
10:47The point being raised by Leader of Opposition and Lok Sabha, for the first time ever,
10:55immunity had been given to Election Commission officials.
10:59The point of immunity, is that a fact or is that also rhetoric in your view, sir?
11:04Actually, immunity to Election Commissioners has been there.
11:09In fact, Chief Election Commissioner cannot be removed without impeachment in the parliament.
11:16And for both Election Commissioners, they cannot be removed unless there is proven misconduct
11:22recommended by Chief Election Commissioner to the President of India.
11:25And anything done by them as Election Commissioners in the Election Commission to discharge of their duties
11:34cannot be questioned in any court of law or they cannot be taken to prosecution for that.
11:41Okay.
11:42Sir, before I throw it open for a wider discussion for our political guests,
11:45I also want to understand from you the Home Minister's statement in parliament
11:50where he said a debate on the special intensive revision of electoral rolls in particular
11:54was not possible or feasible in parliament as the Election Commission as an independent body.
12:01If issues had been raised, who would have responded on their behalf?
12:05So, was the opposition correct in seeking a debate specifically, a discussion on the SIR?
12:11Or is the government correct that the debate had to be on wider electoral reforms?
12:16Actually, whatever is done by Election Commission under the constitution, responsibility,
12:24that revision of electoral rolls, conduct of polls, all these things,
12:29these are never questioned in the parliament, never discussed in the parliament.
12:33These can be questioned only in the court of law, Supreme Court and High Court.
12:37That has been the tradition.
12:39But since in this time, whatever allegations were made by LOP were not inquired into immediately
12:46and the facts were not put in public domain, this escalated.
12:51And that's why all these things emerged.
12:55Okay.
12:55Sir, stay with me.
12:56Let me now throw it open for a wider debate.
12:59Joining me on this India Today special broadcast is Brijes Kalappa,
13:03spokesperson and leader of the Congress Party.
13:05Dr. Ajay Alok is the national spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party.
13:09Rajat Sethi and Rashid Kidwai join us as political commentators.
13:13Brijes Kalappa, Amit Shah accused the Congress Party leadership of three generations of vote-chori
13:20from Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru to Indira Gandhi to Sonia Gandhi.
13:24He even cited a vaad, as he put it, or a dispute that is currently in Delhi court on Sonia Gandhi.
13:33Why did the Congress walk out, sir, instead of confronting these allegations head-on on the floor of the House?
13:42See, the moment, Gaurav, the Home Minister says that there has been vote-chori,
13:48then he's only adding to what Mr. Rahul Gandhi has been saying.
13:52Mr. Rahul Gandhi has been saying that there's a case of vote-chori.
13:56Now, Anurag Takhur, before him, he made a detailed presentation of how vote-chori had taken place
14:01and how the Congress Party had benefited, right?
14:04Rahul Gandhi has been making a statement that vote-chori has taken place
14:07and how the BJP has benefited.
14:10Now, is it not appropriate, I would like to ask of your viewers,
14:14that let the entire country agree that there is something seriously wrong with our electoral system
14:21and that this requires to be looked into, this entire process, which requires to be reviewed.
14:29Both the Home Minister and Mr. Rahul Gandhi are an item that there is serious vote-chori, you know, charges.
14:36Both the Home Minister is making such a statement.
14:39Mr. Rahul Gandhi is also making such a statement.
14:41So, what prevents the government from joining hands with the Congress Party
14:45and saying that, look, let us cleanse the system?
14:49What is the problem?
14:51Cleanse the system.
14:52Why is the BJP then running away from cleaning the system?
14:55Obviously, there are beneficiaries of this entire, you know, process.
14:59All of this not have been said on the floor of the House.
15:02Instead of Rahul Gandhi and the opposition, including the Congress,
15:05everyone staging a walkout.
15:07I mean, for a very long time, there was this question,
15:11debate it in Parliament, debate it in Parliament,
15:12let there be a discussion in Parliament.
15:14When that discussion happens, they walk out?
15:17No, no.
15:18I think the walkout was for this reason,
15:20that the BJP, which is speaking the language of the ECI,
15:26and the ECI, which is speaking the language of the BJP,
15:29now the government wants to distance itself.
15:33And they made a statement that, look, we have no powers of the ECI.
15:37And that's an autonomous body.
15:39So, if the government takes a stand that that's an autonomous body,
15:43then what more can the government say, or the opposition say?
15:46The first thing is, Gaurav, we must understand that what is the ECI doing?
15:51ECI is saying that we are going to get the Guzbetias out.
15:55That is the, it's a process of the CIA or the NRC.
15:58Is the election commission bound to do that?
16:00Is it a functionary of the government?
16:02I think these are the important questions,
16:05which must have been answered by Mr. Amit Shah.
16:07The moment he's saying, he's not answering that.
16:10He's saying that...
16:11So, let me bring in Dr. Ajay Alok.
16:12Let me bring in Dr. Ajay Alok.
16:14And gentlemen, feel free to wane.
16:17Rahul Gandhi, Dr. Ajay Alok said,
16:20Amit Shah did not answer a single specific query,
16:24a question that he had raised.
16:25He had raised, for example,
16:27why was the Chief Justice of India removed
16:29from the selection panel of the election commissioner?
16:32Why do election commission officials now enjoy that immunity?
16:36Or why is it that within 45 days,
16:38the footage is destroyed?
16:41If transparency is the claim,
16:43sir, these core issues,
16:45the Congress Party claims,
16:46were not answered to their satisfaction
16:48or the opposition's satisfaction.
16:50I never knew that Rahul Gandhi
16:55has developed deafness also.
16:58Because the whole country listened
16:59to what the Home Minister said.
17:02And he explained point by point.
17:04As like, just before us,
17:06Mr. Rawat was explaining
17:07that immunity was always there
17:09to election commissioners.
17:10Right from the beginning,
17:11it's there in the People Representation Act
17:13that the Chief Election Commissioner
17:14can only be impeached.
17:15He explained very nicely.
17:17That's what Amit Bhai said in the parliament.
17:19But Rahul Gandhi seems he is suffering from deafness.
17:21He should go to some ENT specialist.
17:23And second thing,
17:24the Chief Justice arrangement
17:26was a temporary order
17:27which was being carried upon.
17:29And there was a need to frame new law.
17:31And in the new law,
17:32we kept leader of opposition also,
17:34which was never there in the practice.
17:36This Mr. Mishagin explained,
17:38but I guess he's suffering from some deafness.
17:40So he should visit an ENT specialist.
17:42I guess he's going to Germany.
17:44That should be a good place
17:45for a visit to an ENT specialist.
17:47But today,
17:48what we have seen peculiar in the parliament,
17:51that people ran away with the tails down.
17:55And they were shouting,
17:56SIR, SIR, SIR,
17:57debate in parliament,
17:58debate in parliament,
17:59wasting time of the parliament
18:00for the last six months.
18:02Ruined the last session completely.
18:04We'll have debate on SIR,
18:05vote chory, vote chory.
18:07Completely shattered.
18:08And the whole nation got a message like,
18:10look, look,
18:11this is a party
18:12which unnecessarily creates sarakas.
18:15And when the discussion happens,
18:16and when their fault line starts appearing,
18:20they run away.
18:20They choose to run away.
18:21They are cowards.
18:23They don't have a courage to listen to them.
18:24And very rightly so.
18:25In the coming time,
18:26you will see every congressman,
18:28including Mr. Rajesh Kalappa,
18:30will ask the question
18:30to Mr. Rahul Gandhi,
18:32why we are losing elections
18:34one after the other,
18:35one after the other.
18:36I'll get Vijesh Kalappa to respond to that.
18:37You are inept.
18:38You are incompetent.
18:39I'll get Mr. Kalappa to respond,
18:41but I want to quickly bring in
18:42Rashid Kidwai and Rajat Sethi
18:43for their initial comments.
18:45Rashid Kidwai,
18:47Amit Shah gave out an entire list
18:49in parliament
18:50of NDA's electoral victories,
18:53whether three Lok Sabha elections
18:54back to back,
18:5541 state elections,
18:57and the elections
18:58that the opposition had won.
19:00Congress won in 16 states.
19:02If the election was rigged,
19:05or if the electoral process was rigged,
19:07would the Congress have won
19:08so many states and elections?
19:11And does this challenge
19:12the opposition's narrative
19:13on vote-chory, sir?
19:16I think, God of first and foremost,
19:18it is a bit problematic
19:20to link, you know,
19:21the vote-chory allegation
19:23with the electoral process outcome.
19:25That is the results.
19:26Whether the results go in favor of
19:28government or in opposition,
19:30this is inconsequential.
19:31The process must be above suspicion
19:34and all parties concerned,
19:36winner, loser,
19:37you know,
19:38person who forfeit their deposit,
19:40all can-they must, you know,
19:42have full faith
19:43in the process of election.
19:45And this is between
19:46the election commission
19:47and political parties.
19:48It's not between, you know,
19:49the government or Congress.
19:51So whatever Mr. Amit Shah
19:52was strong on facts
19:53about past wrongs,
19:55but the past wrongs
19:57cannot justify, you know,
19:58present and future.
19:59What is preventing Gaurav,
20:02you know,
20:02election commission
20:03from convening
20:04an all-party meeting
20:06and hearing them out?
20:07What is preventing
20:08election commission
20:08from getting persons
20:10like Mr. O.P. Rawat,
20:11Mr. Qureshi,
20:12and several former election,
20:14you know,
20:14chief election commissioners,
20:15former election commissioners,
20:17former panel,
20:18and get these allegations
20:19investigated.
20:20Dood ka dood,
20:21pani ka pani ho jayega.
20:22Why is election commission
20:23coming up with rejoinders
20:25which are source-based?
20:28These are responses
20:30that need answer.
20:31It's not about victory or defeat.
20:34Okay.
20:35Rajat Sethi,
20:36you want to respond
20:37because Rahul Gandhi
20:38warned ECU officials
20:39that any future government
20:41could change laws
20:42retrospectively
20:43and could come after them
20:45or words to that effect
20:46will come and find you.
20:48Amit Shah, of course,
20:49accused the Congress
20:50of wanting to normalize
20:51infiltration
20:52and make Ghuzpahityas
20:54their voters.
20:55In your view,
20:57the extreme position
20:58taken by both sides.
21:00Now, does that erode
21:01the space
21:02for a civil,
21:03evidence-based discussion
21:05on electoral reforms
21:06and discourse
21:07and should the EC
21:08call all parties,
21:10should the EC call
21:10former CECs,
21:12doubts that they have
21:13and address them in public
21:14once and for all
21:15so that, you know,
21:16the process
21:16is also trustworthy?
21:19The opposition says
21:20as of now,
21:20it isn't.
21:23Well, the language
21:24that has been used
21:25by the leader of opposition
21:26is really unfortunate.
21:29Had the BJP
21:30or any of the affiliates
21:31of the BJP
21:32said something
21:33like this,
21:34threatening
21:35to hold
21:36the constitutional body
21:38as respectable
21:39as the election commission
21:40with such words,
21:42hell would have
21:42broken loose.
21:43The international,
21:45you know,
21:45actors would have
21:46started getting
21:46activated around this.
21:48But Congress
21:48being Congress
21:49can say responsible things
21:50and walk out to Germany
21:51with no consequence.
21:53You know,
21:54there has to be
21:55some kind of,
21:56you know,
21:57a decorum
21:58where members of parliament
21:59should be held accountable
22:00when they pour
22:01acid in public view
22:03on the roots
22:04of our constitutional
22:05bodies
22:06and bodies
22:07which are fundamental
22:08pillars of our democracy.
22:09If you do that,
22:10if you say that,
22:11you should be dragged
22:12to the courts.
22:13Affirmations should be filed
22:14to such an extent
22:15that you are not able
22:16to utter a word
22:17without an iota of evidence.
22:19Now,
22:19my simple problem here is
22:21Mr. Rahul Gandhi,
22:22he says a few things
22:23that my press conference
22:26should be debated,
22:26election commission
22:27should be answered
22:28and all of that.
22:29But parliament
22:29cannot be that platform
22:31to answer those questions
22:33because the core party
22:34whom you're demanding
22:35those answers
22:35does not sit
22:36inside the parliament.
22:37You can only hold
22:38that constitutional body
22:39accountable outside
22:40the parliament
22:41in the courts.
22:43That is one route
22:43that you don't want
22:44to follow
22:44because there you
22:45will have to present
22:45evidences.
22:47And you want to
22:47circumvent that
22:48and do all the theatres
22:49and drama
22:50and waste
22:50Shakespeare's money
22:51repeatedly,
22:52session after session
22:53on nonsensical issues.
22:55So far,
22:55you've not been able
22:56to establish...
22:57Vijesh Kalappa
22:57is a lawyer
22:59par excellence.
23:00Let me get his
23:01legal perspective
23:02and opinion on this.
23:04Vijesh Kalappa,
23:05you want to respond
23:06if analysts say
23:07that what the
23:08opposition or the
23:09Congress is indulging
23:10in is pure theatrics.
23:12This isn't to be
23:13answered in parliament.
23:14If there's evidence,
23:15produce it in courts
23:16of law.
23:16See, I think,
23:19as far as the court
23:21of law is concerned,
23:22the court of law
23:23is very clear
23:24that the ECI
23:25has precedence
23:27over the court of law
23:28with regard to
23:29electoral rolls
23:30and such as others.
23:31Right?
23:31And that's the reason
23:32there's no point
23:33in going to a court of law
23:34because the court
23:35will say
23:35that in Article 324
23:37of the Constitution,
23:38the court does not
23:39have the powers.
23:40This is the first thing.
23:41And my young friend
23:42perhaps needs to be
23:43tutored on this.
23:44And I think
23:45in days to come,
23:47maybe he will,
23:48you know,
23:48appreciate the fact
23:49that the courts
23:50have the own limiting...
23:51So, the point is
24:06that you can't,
24:08you know,
24:08throw things at the court
24:09which the court
24:10has no powers
24:11to, you know,
24:12adjudicate.
24:13But if there is an
24:14illegality,
24:15wouldn't the court
24:15intervene then, sir?
24:17As a student
24:18of this subject,
24:20sir,
24:20I just want to
24:20understand,
24:21should there be
24:22illegality in the process?
24:24Should ECB
24:25doing something
24:26which is grossly
24:27violative of
24:27principles of
24:28natural justice?
24:29Wouldn't courts intervene?
24:31No, see,
24:32I think,
24:33let me give you
24:34the basic narrative.
24:36Now, here was a case
24:37where 65 lakh voters
24:40admittedly had been
24:41deleted right before
24:42the Bihar elections.
24:45Now, what is the
24:45election commission
24:46of India state?
24:47It says that,
24:49no, we don't consider
24:50Aadar
24:50to be one of the
24:52proofs for
24:53inclusion.
24:53And court intervened.
24:55Right?
24:56No, no,
24:56court intervened.
24:57But I'm saying
24:57the very fact
24:59that the election
25:00commission is
25:01completely partial,
25:02completely one-sided
25:03is visible
25:05from the fact
25:06that it says,
25:07no, we don't want
25:08to consider the Aadar.
25:09Government
25:10successive governments
25:11have spent hundreds
25:12of crores
25:13on strengthening
25:13Aadar.
25:14Now, here is the
25:15election commission
25:16of India
25:16which says,
25:17no, we don't
25:18consider Aadar.
25:19So, what does it
25:19tell you about the
25:20election commission
25:20of India?
25:21What does it tell you
25:22about the
25:22local election?
25:23Rajat Sethi
25:23both want to
25:24comment?
25:24But Ajay,
25:24I'll go first
25:25because Rahul
25:26Gandhi continues
25:26to allege
25:27whole-scale
25:28capture of
25:28India's
25:29institutional
25:30framework.
25:31You heard
25:32Mr. Kalapa
25:32saying that
25:34the election
25:35commission,
25:36according to him,
25:36is openly
25:37partisan,
25:37sir.
25:38Respond.
25:38whatever 4-5%
25:43credibility
25:44Mr. Rahul
25:45Gandhi had
25:45after today's
25:47walkout,
25:48that is also
25:49gone.
25:50And I'm really
25:50amazed that
25:52after such a
25:53major
25:56overhauling of
25:57Congress party
25:58and Rahul
25:58Gandhi by the
25:59home minister,
26:01still the
26:02ecosystem keep
26:03on saying that
26:04election commission
26:05needs to answer
26:06all these questions
26:07appertaining.
26:08what I was
26:08listening.
26:09Every answer
26:10has been given,
26:11sir.
26:11There is no
26:12answer left.
26:13The point is
26:14that if you
26:14keep on
26:15framing a
26:16question which
26:17does not have
26:17any basis,
26:18I mean,
26:19just look at
26:19the intellect
26:19level,
26:20the kind of
26:21questions he
26:22was asking in
26:22the parliament.
26:23And right now
26:24Mr. Rawat also
26:25said the same
26:25thing what the
26:26home minister said
26:26in the parliament
26:28regarding the
26:29immunity to the
26:30chief election
26:30commissioner.
26:31I mean,
26:32do you expect
26:32this kind of
26:33intellect to be
26:34our leader of
26:35opposition?
26:36Really?
26:36Rajat said you
26:38want to quickly
26:39come in before
26:39to clarify your
26:40point?
26:41There is one
26:42leader of
26:42opposition in
26:43Bihar.
26:44Go on,
26:45Dr. Alok.
26:45There is one
26:46leader of
26:47opposition in
26:47Bihar.
26:48Yeah,
26:49there is one
26:49leader of
26:50opposition in
26:50Bihar who
26:52just took his
26:53oath and went
26:54for his holiday
26:55in Europe.
26:56And he will be
26:57coming back after
26:57New Year's.
26:58He never bothered
26:59to listen to the
27:00governor's address
27:02to the house.
27:03He never
27:03participated in
27:04that discussion
27:05but he is
27:05happy in
27:05Europe with
27:06his family.
27:07There is
27:07another leader
27:08of opposition
27:09in centre.
27:10The ongoing
27:10parliament is
27:11there but he
27:12will be going
27:12to Germany.
27:13As if he has
27:13got some
27:14official invitation
27:15from government
27:15of Germany
27:16that we are
27:16inviting leader
27:17of opposition
27:17of India.
27:18I mean,
27:18these are
27:19absolutely
27:19non-serious
27:20people,
27:21non-serious
27:21politicians.
27:22Rashid Kidd Bhai
27:22wants to
27:23respond to
27:23that.
27:24But before
27:24that,
27:25quickly,
27:26Rajat Sethi,
27:27you wanted
27:27to respond
27:28to Mr.
27:28Kalappa.
27:29Just 30
27:30seconds before
27:30Rajat Sethi
27:31quickly responds.
27:32Go on,
27:32sir.
27:33Well,
27:33I,
27:34again,
27:34I don't...
27:35Rashid Bhai,
27:38I'm coming
27:38to you in
27:3830 seconds,
27:39sir.
27:39Just as soon
27:40as Rajat Sethi
27:41completes his
27:41point,
27:41sir.
27:42No,
27:42Rajat
27:42ji,
27:43you know,
27:43we'll come
27:43to that
27:44discussion
27:44because this
27:45is the
27:45current
27:45debate
27:45which is
27:46happening
27:46right now.
27:47You cannot
27:47walk away
27:47from the
27:48debate when
27:48all you
27:49wanted was
27:49a debate
27:50on the
27:50same issue.
27:51But going
27:51to the
27:51old man
27:52from Congress
27:52Party,
27:53he seems
27:54to have
27:54completely
27:55missed his
27:55legal lessons.
27:56I was never
27:56a trained
27:57lawyer,
27:57but I know
27:58I have read
27:59the Constitution
27:59and I know
28:00basic tenets
28:01of Constitution
28:01and the
28:02judicial review
28:02of any
28:03kind of a
28:04decision
28:04made by
28:04a quasi-judicial
28:05body or
28:06a constitutional
28:07body is
28:07subject to
28:08review.
28:09That is the
28:09fundamental
28:10principles
28:10around which
28:11our entire
28:12legal
28:12constitutional
28:13framework
28:14pivots
28:14around and
28:15stands
28:15around.
28:16Maybe this
28:16training of
28:17Congress
28:17party's
28:17election
28:18cell or
28:18the legal
28:19cell is
28:19absent or
28:20missing.
28:20They should
28:21go back
28:21to the
28:21books.
28:21I'll come
28:22back to
28:22this in
28:23just a
28:23moment.
28:23But Rashid
28:24Kidwai,
28:24the last
28:2430 seconds.
28:26Yes,
28:27sir,
28:27this was
28:28not said
28:30by the
28:31O-Minister.
28:31This was
28:31not said
28:32by the
28:32Treasury
28:32benches
28:33in Parliament.
28:34Now this
28:34young gentleman
28:35wants to
28:36speak,
28:37you know,
28:37something.
28:38Okay,
28:38so both
28:39young men
28:41and we're
28:41not being
28:42ages,
28:42but Rashid
28:43Kidwai,
28:4330 seconds
28:44only on the
28:45point that
28:46Rahul Gandhi
28:46is going
28:47abroad at
28:47the time
28:48when this
28:48was the
28:48biggest issue
28:49raised.
28:49You wanted
28:49to comment
28:50on that
28:50point raised
28:50by both
28:51Mr.
28:52Sedi and
28:52Dr.
28:52Alok.
28:53Rashid
28:53Kidwai.
28:54See,
28:55the going
28:55abroad,
28:56travelling
28:56abroad for
28:57any political
28:57party is
28:58not anything
28:59illegal.
29:00It is
29:00improper,
29:01just as the
29:01conduct of
29:02election commission
29:02in the eyes
29:03of law may
29:03be fine,
29:04but in terms
29:05of parliamentary
29:06democracy may
29:07be improper,
29:08may be a bit
29:08odd.
29:09Travelling out
29:10is not,
29:11it may not
29:12look good,
29:13but there is
29:14nothing wrong
29:15in it.
29:15Prime Minister
29:16has gone,
29:17when Parliament
29:17was in session,
29:19he has travelled
29:19abroad.
29:20About walkout,
29:21also a lot
29:21got to be made
29:22out as if
29:23there is
29:23something wrong.
29:24The BJP,
29:24whenever it was
29:25in opposition,
29:26and I have seen
29:26in five looks
29:27of hours,
29:28they always
29:28take the walkout.
29:29What kind of
29:32analogy is this?
29:33Prime Minister
29:33and the Rahul
29:34Gandhi leader
29:34opposition is
29:35the same.
29:36I have run
29:38out of time
29:38on this part
29:39of the show.
29:39I want to thank
29:40all my guests,
29:42Brija Eshkalappa,
29:43Dr. Ajay Alok,
29:44Rashid Kidwai,
29:44and Rajat Sethi
29:45for joining me
29:45here on India
29:46First.
29:59First,
29:59we start
30:00today,
30:00because
30:01Grim Antri
30:01Amit Shah
30:01has said
30:03about 91 minutes
30:03in the
30:04moment,
30:04and he
30:06put the vote
30:08on the
30:09vote.
30:09If
30:11the government
30:11has
30:11left
30:12today,
30:12what has happened
30:13to you
30:14have
30:15to tell
30:16about it,
30:16then what will
30:16tell you?
30:17Look,
30:18you probably
30:19have seen
30:20the parliament
30:21proceeding.
30:21In the
30:23previous
30:24Monson
30:26session
30:26there
30:26was
30:27a
30:28We can pass the bill to the government, because there is a majority of the majority.
30:38We wanted to do that without a bill, it should be a bill.
30:43So one session they had washed out.
30:47The winter session they had also had two days.
30:51We said that we were prepared for the bill to the government.
30:55It is a technical matter.
30:57It is a prashashnik vyavastah.
30:59It is an administrative action.
31:00We cannot do the church.
31:02So when it was finally the church,
31:05the Home Minister has more than 65% of the speech,
31:12it is not able to hear.
31:14Because the Home Minister is factually,
31:18and they are factual with facts and figures,
31:26with reasons.
31:28When they told us, they did not hear.
31:30Rahul Gandhi Ji and all of them went on to make a bill.
31:34We said that we had two sessions.
31:37We had to hear the answer.
31:39We had to hear the answer.
31:40When we had no answer,
31:41we had to not have to do so much time.
31:45So I think that today,
31:47the narrative has changed.
31:50The question of the nationality,
31:53the false narrative was the false narrative.
31:57Now, the Congress party has been exposed.
32:02and people have been exposed.
32:05In the parliamentary democracy,
32:07the parliament of the parliament,
32:11the message of the people should go.
32:13And the parliamentary democracy of the sole election commission
32:16is the sole election commission.
32:18So the election commission of the nationality,
32:20the faith of the election commission,
32:22the faith of the government,
32:24and the Congress of the false narrative
32:26has been exposed.
32:28I think that the Bangladesh and Tamil Nadu
32:31and Tamil Nadu, Assam,
32:33and Keral,
32:34and Kuduchiri,
32:35which have been found in five countries,
32:36which have been established by the SIR,
32:38and that if these people have been exposed,
32:40then they will not even know them.
32:43This is a proof of proof today.
32:48Now, you are not happy to be here,
32:50because Rahul Gandhi is coming from there.
32:53Rahul Gandhi Ji,
32:54I cannot stop it.
32:57I am telling people's perception
32:59and the result of the parliament
33:01of the parliament.
33:02Rahul Gandhi Ji,
33:03I am telling people's confidence
33:05that the people are not allowed to be
33:06to be able to be able to be able to be able to say.
33:08How deep is it?
33:09That's a question.
33:10This is a question.
33:11He said that if he didn't get out,
33:13why did the vote not be made to be made this?
33:14Why did he make it so long?
33:15He had a question.
33:16I asked,
33:17I was asked that they were sitting in the parliament and asking how they came in the parliament.
33:25They also came in the election commission and the system.
33:31They also came in the election commission.
33:33Today, the governor told me that they won 30 elections and we won 45 elections,
33:40so we won more than we won, but they won too.
33:44We won 3 times in the election.
33:49But in the election of the election, you will see that we won more than we won,
33:54but they won too.
33:56So how do they win?
33:59So the election will continue?
34:01The last walkout has been done.
34:02Today we have put the name of the session.
34:04The election will continue?
34:06The election will continue.
34:08I will become a minister of Parliamentary Affairs.
34:12I will also say that,
34:13any one who you're watching,
34:15the experience of here and important guests,
34:19I will also ask you.
34:22We will not destroy the same spirit of the parliamentary democracy.
34:30We will not destroy the parliamentary rules and business.
34:33we will go to parliament.
35:03We will go to parliament.
35:33We will go to parliament.
36:03We will go to parliament.
36:33We will go to parliament.
37:03We will go to parliament.
37:05We will go to parliament.
37:07We will go to parliament.
37:09We will go to parliament.
37:11We will go to parliament.
37:13We will go to parliament.
37:17We will go to parliament.
37:19We will go to parliament.
37:23We will go to parliament.
37:25We will go to parliament.
37:27We will go to parliament.
37:29We will go to parliament.
37:33We will go to parliament.
37:35We will go to parliament.
37:37We will go to parliament.
37:39We will go to parliament.
37:41We will go to parliament.
37:43We will go to parliament.
37:45We will go to parliament.
37:47We will go to parliament.
37:49We will go to parliament.
37:51We will go to parliament.
37:53We will do exercise at the same time.
37:55At the same time?
37:56Exercise.
37:57Exercise, yes.
37:58Because you have push-ups very good.
37:59No, it wasn't.
38:01It was in a lighter mode.
38:03I said that I was scared of going to go.
38:06Why did you feel scared?
38:08It was a joke.
38:09It was the last moment that someone had captured.
38:12It was probably not the whole video.
38:14I have also seen it.
38:15Last moment.
38:17We are not in politics.
38:19We are not in politics.
38:21We are angry.
38:23But then the rest of us are going to go to parliament.
38:27I, in order to fight against me,
38:29I fight against me.
38:32How many candidates against me are against me.
38:36When I come to my face,
38:38I ask if you have a job,
38:40then tell me.
38:41I help.
38:42These people are the actual spirit of me.
38:44They are the spirit of me.
38:46But, once again, we come back to parliament session.
38:48It was a state of warmity.
38:50And we see this passionate fight-off in the top leaders.
38:56What happens in the days that you think that this aftermath is increased?
38:59Because, I mean,
39:01the vote is increased.
39:03Obviously, when you counter it,
39:05you do it with aggression.
39:06What the aftermath has increased?
39:08Under the youths?
39:09Look,
39:10Anjana ji,
39:11you are a senior journalist.
39:12You are all senior journalists here.
39:14There are also all seniors.
39:15In the parliament,
39:16there are wit and humor.
39:17In any part of the democracy,
39:18you go to any part of the democracy.
39:19Even in the House of Commons,
39:20I have seen a lot of videos.
39:22In the House of Commons,
39:23I have seen a lot of videos.
39:24In the parliament,
39:25the wit and humor,
39:26that is a part of the parliamentary system.
39:35But,
39:36what happens now?
39:37When the words are angry,
39:39the words are angry,
39:40then they don't have wit and humor.
39:42Like,
39:43you are a fool,
39:44you are a fool,
39:45you are a fool,
39:46you are a fool,
39:47you are a fool,
39:49you are a fool,
39:51you are a fool,
39:52you are a fool,
39:53you have to sit in the day.
39:54At that time,
39:55when I was in the parliament,
39:56I was in the parliament,
39:57like many senior journalists,
40:00have made a career from parliamentary reporting.
40:03From the morning,
40:05they are sitting in the parliament,
40:08they are reporting.
40:09Because,
40:10the parliament is going,
40:11the debate is quality,
40:13the discussion,
40:14everyone is picking up.
40:16Now,
40:17there is a book,
40:18the parliament of parliament,
40:20about it.
40:22In the parliament of the parliament of the parliament,
40:24no problem,
40:25in any country,
40:27you will find the one thing about it,
40:30the schism.
40:32That is not as good.
40:34I want to say from your own ,
40:37that if we should haveötted a war in parliament,
40:39you are afraid of them.
40:41Don't be too disappointed with the ruckus being created in the parliament.
40:43Don't be too disappointed with the ruckus being created in the parliament.
41:13Don't be too disappointed in the parliament.
41:15Why?
41:16The question is that you don't need to stop working with the parliament.
41:21You don't need to stop working with the parliament.
41:23You understand the difference.
41:25In the parliament, there will be a problem.
41:27This is expected.
41:28But the parliament should not stop working with the parliament.
41:31You should stop working with your own words.
41:33Or keep your point.
41:35The discussion happens in a period of time.
41:38But the parliament should not stop working with the parliament.
41:41And put stickers, placards, banners.
41:46That is against the spirit of parliamentary proceedings.
41:50I am a voter.
41:52I am a voter in a tier 2 or tier 3 seat.
41:57I need a hospital in my own area.
42:00I say to myself,
42:01go and take this place in the country.
42:04You should do it here.
42:06There is no question.
42:07There is no question.
42:08There is no question.
42:09There is no question.
42:10Then how will it be managed?
42:11You should build it with them.
42:13You should build it with them.
42:14We should do it with the question.
42:15Look,
42:16I have been sitting with all the political leaders.
42:21And I met with all the political leaders.
42:24After that,
42:25the senior opposition leaders have gone to their house.
42:28And they also come to my house.
42:31Sometimes I don't want to say something outside.
42:34It's not good.
42:35It's not good.
42:36It's not good.
42:37Because we have to work tomorrow and then we have to do it with the military.
42:39You can tell a little bit.
42:40No,
42:41there are some agreements.
42:42But they are broken down.
42:44And they are broken down.
42:46And some of the problems have happened.
42:49In the past few years,
42:50they are not palatable.
42:52I mean,
42:53that the right thing is not going to happen.
42:55We are agreements.
42:56And we say,
42:58okay,
42:59you will raise this question.
43:01The government will raise this bill.
43:02You will raise your bill,
43:04your points,
43:05your points,
43:06your points.
43:07But
43:08then,
43:09where is the direction?
43:10What happens?
43:11Then,
43:12you will raise your bill.
43:13So,
43:14what you have said,
43:15the first time MPs,
43:16the small and small party MPs,
43:19they are the biggest casualties.
43:22If any party is one MP,
43:25if they don't say that,
43:26then there is no other party.
43:28the most important thing is the biggest casualties?
43:31I am saying that.
43:32I am telling you,
43:33what do you see in the leadership?
43:35We,
43:38we are the people.
43:39We take it to ourselves.
43:40We take it to ourselves.
43:42We rule ourselves through
43:43elected representatives.
43:45Therefore,
43:46you go the parliament,
43:48the government,
43:49the government.
43:51I want to say that
43:52most important casualties
43:54are the first time MPs
43:56and the small party,
43:57foreign
44:27when the parliament doesn't work then the authority is safe because the officer is safe
44:33in parliament question night the officer will open the file for all of us to prepare
44:39and give the answer to all the questions. The minister will also work on the ministry.
44:48foreign
45:18a outside the house outreach and as a parliamentary affairs minister
45:23my duty is the most important thing in the world is not easy to run this parliament
45:28you think when the UK's MPs come to me they get angry
45:33there's a vote of one MP there's a vote of 65,000 to 70,000
45:39there's a MP here 30,000,000
45:43there are so many countries, so many countries here
45:49there's a lot of population here, and the country is also big
45:53so we should also have a big heart
45:55so who should have a big heart?
45:57everyone's, the government's heart is big, the heart of the opposition's heart is small
46:02so who is the most challenging leader in the Vipaksh?
46:08the most difficult to manage
46:11any opposition leader is not bad, I mean, it's a challenge
46:17after talking, after agreeing, it's not good
46:26who is that?
46:27I don't want to take a name, it's a bad thing, it's not good
46:31okay, three, four months, which are coming back
46:35to them, because it's a bad thing
46:37and the Vipaksh was saying once again
46:39that the Vipaksh was an irrelevant subject
46:41today, it's a good day, it's a good day
46:43today, it's a good day, it's a good day
46:45and the whole country, it's a good day
46:47what was the need for the whole country?
46:49what was the need for the whole country?
46:51why was the need for the whole country?
46:52why was the need for the whole country?
46:54what was the need for the whole country?
46:58why was the need for the whole country?
47:00He wrote that in the parliament, what is the need for 10 hours to talk about Delhi's pollution in 10 hours?
47:08What is the need for Delhi's pollution in 10 hours?
47:12Now, think that it can become bigger.
47:16The country's desire, the sentiment is not understood.
47:20I don't give it to them because they are the people of entertainment in the world,
47:25so maybe someone will not tell them.
47:28So, if we are to parrot the republic, will the pollution be finished?
47:34What will the republic leave?
47:37We will say that we will leave the birth of the father's birthday.
47:41Will we leave the parliament in the parliament?
47:47Will you sing a national anthem, if someone's book is gone?
47:52If you ask questions, what will you answer?
47:56So, the sentiment is very important.
48:00So, someone said, why did Vandai Mahatram do the church this time?
48:05If it's been 150 years, it's been 20 years.
48:08So, we haven't done that with Vandai Mahatram.
48:12Vandai Mahatram, when the country was written and the country was written,
48:19it's been 150 years now in November.
48:23So, we will do the church now.
48:25You thought that Priyanka Gandhi and Vandai had also raised this question.
48:30That's the question.
48:31That's the question.
48:32Why did church do the church now?
48:34They can do it, or they are coming to the Bengal.
48:37So, what happens when it happens to us?
48:39When it comes to the question,
48:41that the music composer, the music composer,
48:45also speaks to the influence of such things.
48:50So, it's a way to live the church.
48:54It's a way to live the church.
48:56It's a way to live the church.
48:57You can't kill the soul.
48:59You will create the church, work,
49:01you will build the church's own state.
49:04There are some things that all have to do.
49:06The sanctity of all is,
49:10the sanctity of all is,
49:12it's not to be understood.
49:13So, when the comments pass,
49:16I feel very sad that
49:18people do things in knowledge.
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