00:01This is Sunday, the Waterloo.
00:04Are we doing Waterloo radio again?
00:06Yeah, I don't think it should be.
00:07Great song by ABBA, by the way.
00:08I mean it.
00:10I think you really got to wait.
00:12I would wait probably, and I have to see what it looks like too.
00:15Obviously, that matters.
00:17Like, does it look like the Jets game where the offense was not good,
00:23but Deshaun was putting it on guys and they were dropping the balls in monsoons?
00:28Does it look like the Steelers game where it looked like he
00:32and any other quarterback who would have played in that game
00:34probably wouldn't have had much of a chance given the pressure?
00:38How does it look?
00:39Does it look like the Jacksonville game where Deshaun looked terrible?
00:42If we're so close to the edge of making a quarterback change,
00:46why wouldn't they just do it?
00:47And that's what I wonder.
00:48Are they even that close?
00:51I don't.
00:53See, I'm asking the question.
00:54I'm not trying to raise the point here.
00:56I think I asked 24 questions.
00:57Well, let me do this.
00:58Let's hear Todd Monken again.
01:00I threw some things at you there for a moment.
01:02Yeah, an 0-1, and then I got another clip for you there
01:04because I want to see what you guys think of this.
01:07Here's Todd on naming Deshaun the starter.
01:10Almost indignant.
01:11I mean, ultimately, the full body of work.
01:14I mean, the previous eight games that we had played,
01:16Deshaun played pretty well.
01:17And that was my intention.
01:18I just wanted to make sure we'd run it by the staff before I said it publicly.
01:21I don't even know why I have to say it publicly
01:23because it's really only our business in terms of who's going to play
01:25and who's not going to play, but he played well enough to still be our starter.
01:29Well, you do kind of got to tell everybody at some point there.
01:32I mean, you can't just keep it a secret.
01:34You're right, but that's the reason that this is a billion-dollar business.
01:39Yeah.
01:39Because we all tune in for these things.
01:41Hold on, not only that, the quarterback of a team,
01:46unless you're just totally week-to-week, and I don't know how Todd really feels about it.
01:50Well, let's find out.
01:51Here's Todd talking about week-to-week.
01:53I don't look at it either way.
01:54I don't look at it week-to-week, and I don't look at his long-term.
01:57I mean, we're judged each week.
01:58I am.
01:59He is.
02:00Our team is.
02:00That just isn't surprising to anybody at where we're at.
02:04I anticipate him being our starter.
02:06It's what he's been.
02:07He's been our starter.
02:07But we all control that, right?
02:09How we scheme up what we do offensively, how we play, how we play around in my heat place.
02:13That's a part of every player in the NFL, right, in terms of where you're at.
02:16And like I said, I anticipate him being the starter, but that's, again, we're week-to-week.
02:20I had no intention of Deshaun not being our starter.
02:23You see, we're not week-to-week, but we're all week-to-week.
02:25But he's right.
02:26Anything can happen.
02:27I don't think he goes – because he's explaining, like, hey, I'm making every decision long-term here.
02:33So I'm not going to say that Deshaun, you're our starter this week,
02:36but you better play your ass off and get it going.
02:38Or your ass is going to be benched.
02:40That's some old Bud Adams garbage that you just can't do.
02:44He's – but, again, he's saying everybody's week-to-week.
02:46Yeah, the fragile psyches of – this isn't just a Watson or Sanders thing.
02:51This is – a lot of quarterbacks in today's game.
02:54Like, they want and sometimes need a vote of confidence.
02:58They want – plus the team wants somebody who's unassailably the guy, where everybody looks around.
03:06And it's been Watson this year.
03:08Like, nobody – no teammates have questioned.
03:10Nobody's leaked out anything.
03:11Unassailable.
03:11Like, oh, they're starting the wrong guy.
03:14Like, I haven't heard any of that.
03:15That stuff gets out in NFL locker rooms.
03:17What makes it difficult, though?
03:18You're right about that.
03:19You're totally right.
03:20You would totally know if there was a revolt behind the scenes or a mutiny.
03:24There's not been a single text.
03:26And I know they're a younger group.
03:27And, you know, we don't know as many of them as we used to.
03:29But there's still plenty that we know.
03:31You would have got something.
03:32And we haven't got anything.
03:33You are right about that.
03:34But when you bring that up, you know, it's unassailable to the team, to the NF,
03:40or to the rest of the league, or not to the rest of the league,
03:42but to the media and to the fans, you do have a question there.
03:45Because of one guy being a lot more popular than the other guy,
03:50nobody has sat there and said that they are not being fans anymore of the Cleveland Browns
03:54because they drafted Shador Sanders in writing think pieces.
03:57They did that for the other guy.
03:59So I think there's a lot of people who want to see the other guy.
04:02And so it leads you to believe, like, hey, Houston's a real team here.
04:05I know they're 3-5.
04:06That's a real-ass defense, one of the best in the league,
04:09some of the best pass rushing in the league.
04:10D'Amico Ryans knows what the hell he's doing.
04:12And a lot of folks are going, well, if we lose that game, then we're 5-5.
04:16And I asked you the question.
04:17It didn't mean I was setting up the point.
04:19I think they very well, if Deshaun Watson goes out there
04:22and they don't lose because of him, like, they could lose this game.
04:25And if he plays a reasonable football game, he's going to start in two weeks.
04:30It's just going to happen.
04:32He's going to play for this football team.
04:34He's going to be the starter, Deshaun Watson, again.
04:36He'll be the starter after the bye week.
04:39At 5-5, he'll still be the starter.
04:40I know it's become popular to say, well, this is the normal point,
04:47a break in the season, two weeks that Shador would get to prepare.
04:51But that's not really how the bye week works.
04:54Like, these guys are all going to go on their separate ways.
04:56Some are going to go out of the country.
04:58And it's not two weeks of film study and everybody together throwing to each other.
05:03That's how the bye week works.
05:04So I think people are a little confused.
05:07And I do wonder, some people, they just don't really monitor the league as closely as we do.
05:11It's our job, so I don't blame people.
05:12That's fine.
05:13But I've heard people say, oh, Shador's going to get two weeks and they're going to do new installs for
05:19two weeks.
05:19That is not, I can tell you, that is not how the NFL works.
05:22This isn't going to be two weeks of getting Shador ready.
05:26You will get the normal work week to get ready.
05:29If Deshaun goes out there and obviously is hurt, there's a difference.
05:32If Deshaun goes out there and he's dreadful, I think there's a conversation.
05:36I still don't know if I would be, I still don't know, I don't think I'd be shocked unless he
05:41was just, look, downright unplayable again like he was against Jacksonville.
05:45I still don't know if they would make that change.
05:47I really don't.
05:48Because you're making this switch and you go, all right, we've lost three in a row.
05:52What has been the Browns issue before?
05:54Let's think about it like Todd would, okay?
05:56For us, it's be like, I'm done with this guy.
05:58Let's go see the new one.
06:00And maybe he's not going to be that good.
06:01And maybe already I'm looking forward to Lenore Sellers or anybody like that.
06:04Which, boy, I can't get his name out of my mouth.
06:06Kenny has been infatuated.
06:08Man, I am smitten again.
06:09Here we go, Kenny.
06:11Kenny is what you call a buyer of Sellers.
06:13This is what Kenny does.
06:14Anybody but Deshaun, he starts thinking of other quarterbacks.
06:18It's not true.
06:20I said all day yesterday I'd start Deshaun Watson and the day before.
06:25Man, I saw an awful announcing article.
06:28Ken was the target.
06:29They didn't even spell my name right in that article.
06:31I mean, I was barely in it.
06:32That was a front and center Ken Carvin article.
06:35I'll address that stuff coming up later on, okay?
06:37It'll happen.
06:38Is Kenny not giving Shador a fair shake?
06:41Boy, it was nice to have somebody else have the slings and arrows pointed in their direction.
06:47I was so nice.
06:47For the record, I didn't bring this up.
06:48I just want to point it out.
06:49I was loving the fact that Ken got to have 48 hours of madness.
06:54Took me off the hook for a little bit.
06:55Got caught some interesting names.
06:57Oh, I saw some of those names.
06:58Some of them, not appropriate for air.
07:01You saw some of those names.
07:02No, I'm not going to power write the names I was called.
07:05No, that's not going to happen.
07:06I mean, I can show you.
07:07I can't say them.
07:09There were plenty of screenshots being sent to everybody of the names I was being called yesterday.
07:13See, here's what you guys hear.
07:14I will say, I do have fun, so I'm not playing the victim here.
07:18I wanted to get to the nitty-gritty.
07:20What are you doing here?
07:21I do enjoy the back and forth, the name-calling.
07:25It's fair game.
07:26This is what we do for a living.
07:27You guys get to do it.
07:28I shield my wife from these things because she would be appalled, even though I do not
07:33shield my friends from it.
07:34The amount of enjoyment my friends get out of the names from the Shador Sanders fans that
07:40you call me, that you call Ken, it is delightful.
07:43Cabbage patch face ass looking boy was my favorite.
07:48That should be on my headstone.
07:51When you guys are creative and you spend your time being creative, we're all for that.
07:57If you can bring a smile to our face, we enjoy it.
07:59When it's just the things we can't say on the radio and people are like, are you going
08:05to report that?
08:06No.
08:06Are you going to?
08:06No.
08:07No.
08:08Guys, I don't have any self-esteem.
08:09We went by that years ago.
08:11I don't have any self-esteem or self-respect for crying out loud.
08:14I mean, good God, I went as a clown for Halloween last year and then I forgot my Halloween
08:18costume this year.
08:18I will address this later on.
08:20I'll address the whole rigmarole later on.
08:23But let me get back to basics here.
08:26Ashley Bastock was on afternoon drive.
08:29She said something that I think a lot of folks might have been thinking about to begin
08:35the year.
08:36I totally agree with Ashley, but I do think the circumstances have changed.
08:41Yeah.
08:41I mean, I certainly think it's a possibility.
08:43And even before the season started, looking at where this five week falls in week 11 for
08:50them, that kind of felt like the natural point for me for those conversations maybe heating
08:56up.
08:57Like, I agree that if they win, it's probably not as much of an issue.
09:01But I think if they lose and they lose their third straight and they're sitting at five and
09:05five at that point after being five and two, and you like what you saw from Shador and you
09:10know you're a team that has to know what he brings because you have some quarterback questions
09:15that you really have to answer going into this offseason, then like I do wonder if that
09:19conversation internally during the bye week would heat up because the bye weeks are always
09:23sort of a natural reset point for NFL teams.
09:27Like, especially when they fall around the midpoint of the season, really giving you a chance to
09:31dive in, see what's working, what's not.
09:34I've kind of long had my eye on that bye week for will those discussions happen, but
09:39I do think so much of it's going to hinge on this upcoming week against the Texans, how
09:43he looks, and whether they win and improve to six and four.
09:47What Ashley just said, and what we've heard from Todd Munkin, is why the predecessor of Todd,
09:54even though he's a two-time coach of the year, ain't anywhere near as good as what Todd
10:00has been through this whole situation, can I explain that to you in five?
10:06I want to get to that in five because I thought the same thing maybe Ashley did.
10:09I thought maybe earlier, but I think a lot of people thought the same thing maybe Ashley
10:13did.
10:13The circumstances have changed, and Todd told you without telling you yesterday afternoon.
10:19Also, speaking of Ashley Bastock, she's a big Taylor Swift fan.
10:23Guess what?
10:23The most famous person in the world has the same HOA problems you might have.
10:26Ken Carman, Anthony Lyman, take us with you to work on the free Odyssey.
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