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00:00You said Jocena Anderson said that it would be a good fit with Minnesota?
00:05Yeah.
00:05Kevin O'Connell's a pretty good football coach.
00:07Well, some people have called him a merchant in the past.
00:11I think he's a pretty good football coach.
00:13He's pretty good with quarterbacks.
00:16Apparently, once they got J.J. McCarthy, it all went straight to hell.
00:19Whether it be Cousins or whatever, I'm like, well, I don't think that's the case.
00:24Really, I think that nobody...
00:26It feels to me that nobody in the organization other than Quesi Adolfo Mensah wanted J.J. McCarthy.
00:33Yeah.
00:34Is what I'm catching here.
00:36So, okay, he's gone.
00:37He's with the Giants.
00:38Now you got this quarterback situation.
00:39Again, they are 6-2.
00:40Their offense is not very good right now.
00:43If he can make something of Shador Sanders, fine.
00:46But what are you going to...
00:46She tweeted out, Vikings will be on the phone at sunrise tomorrow.
00:49If you ask me, they should be on the phone with Browns GM Andrew Barry.
00:53Raiders and 49ers should not give up their options.
00:56A quarterback analyzing their depth at the position makes no sense for Jets to decline the trades.
01:00They have been dealing with their QB.
01:01Colts' option should stay in Indy.
01:03I think many Minneapolis wide receivers need Shador Sanders.
01:08What would they be willing to give up?
01:13That's not a rhetorical question.
01:15What do you think that they'd be willing to give up?
01:18For Shador, I don't think that he would even be on their radar.
01:21Then I would just hold up.
01:22Why wouldn't they be on their radar?
01:23I don't think they've seen play from him that would warrant going to battle, trading assets,
01:30and him in the meantime.
01:32Of course, they have a quarterback, right?
01:36Don't they have a starting quarterback?
01:38Well, no.
01:39I mean, they have Carson Wentz.
01:41Kyler Murray's day-to-day.
01:42Yeah, Kyler Murray.
01:43So they would eventually go to...
01:44Kyler Murray's way better than Shador Sanders.
01:46Kyler Murray.
01:47Yeah, but I don't think Kyler Murray's that great.
01:49So why would they want a quarterback that's worse?
01:51I don't know.
01:52But not to bastardize the point.
01:54Well, this kind of goes in the face of what you're saying.
01:55So you really don't...
01:58When are you willing to give Shador Sanders a chance?
02:01A crack at being the starter for the rest of the year.
02:03So I would...
02:04Me, personally, I said I was not week-to-week on Deshaun yet.
02:08I think he's earned having the position until, you know, either the bottom...
02:14I shouldn't say the bottom falling out because that seems too far removed.
02:16But I would give them the Houston game, which I don't have big expectations for them to win this game.
02:21And then go through.
02:23They're going to have the bye week.
02:23I'd probably give them one more start after that.
02:25Who's after the Houston game and the bye week?
02:28That would be the Raiders, then the Bengals, then the Falcons.
02:32It would be the Raiders.
02:33I'd give them the Raiders game.
02:35And then make the move.
02:36I'm not making the move this week.
02:38That, to me, makes zero sense.
02:39Okay.
02:40So, you're like...
02:41See, this is where it does kind of...
02:43But we're getting closer.
02:44For a second, I wanted to call you out.
02:45But, no, you kind of do match up with what you've been saying here.
02:48Because they're 6-2.
02:51Okay, we're 5-4.
02:52We're trying to make the playoffs.
02:53They're certainly trying to make the playoffs.
02:55They're in a really tough division over there.
02:56And we're in a pretty tough division ourselves.
03:00Yet, I think I'm a little bit more open-minded to Shador than you are.
03:03And I think that this would go with it.
03:05Because you were like, well, why would they want to make him the starter?
03:07And I go, then why are we even discussing, if that's the case,
03:09why are we even discussing Shador being the starter?
03:12Because, like, okay, Kyler Murray, I will grant, is better than Deshaun Watson.
03:18Wrong?
03:18Right?
03:19Right?
03:20Yeah, I think, you know, the way they played this year.
03:22Okay.
03:23So, I mean, but overall, you would still say...
03:25I mean, one guy has been through a lot.
03:28And the other guy has, yeah, had some injuries.
03:30And people have called him lazy and a video game player.
03:32But not anywhere near the stuff that Deshaun Watson's been called here
03:36over the last five years.
03:37So, I would probably say that Kyler Murray's in a better place than Deshaun Watson.
03:41But then, if you're not starting him in Minnesota, a team that's trying to make
03:46the playoffs, why are we even considering starting him here?
03:49This is why it was so perplexing to me.
03:51I'm not calling you out.
03:52If you were saying you were giving him a chance like this week,
03:54and then you were to say what you just said, I think I'd be all over you.
03:57I'm just pointing it out.
03:59Like, this is still a very fluid thing.
04:02I think you've got a locker room that thinks you're still going to the playoffs.
04:05Yeah.
04:05So, what teams make a quarterback change when the locker room thinks they've got
04:10a quarterback that can take them to the playoffs?
04:11I'm glad you brought that up.
04:12Thank you for bringing that up.
04:12It just doesn't happen.
04:13You're right.
04:14And thank you for bringing that up.
04:15Because there's a lot.
04:15And those players aren't thinking about, A, Deshaun Watson's future,
04:18or, B, Deshaun Watson's baggage.
04:21Those players, those teammates that were at his house, you know,
04:24not too long ago having a celebration,
04:26they didn't just give up on him because he got concussed,
04:29and Shador Sanders had a nice fourth quarter in overtime.
04:32Then why didn't Todd just say they're starting Deshaun then?
04:36Because everything you said makes perfect sense.
04:39Shador didn't play terrible at all, but he obviously didn't play well.
04:43And Todd wouldn't say that in a press conference.
04:45We just still feel that the veteran gives us a better chance to win.
04:49And we're going to go back to Deshaun.
04:51Why didn't he say that then yesterday, Anthony?
04:53The only thing I could come up with is you have a trade deadline
04:56and they're being mysterious.
04:57And that, to me, seems a little bit of a reach.
05:00But that's it.
05:01The Browns have been pretty mysterious since 1999.
05:03It's an absolute mystery we're still in this mess.
05:06Like that maybe Andrew Barry would say,
05:07we'll take calls on anybody, so let's muddy it up right now.
05:12Let's make it a little murky and wait until all these calls come in,
05:17which I still don't think they're going to be getting really any calls.
05:22I don't think they're calling for Dylan Gabriel.
05:23I don't think they're calling for Deshaun Watson.
05:25And that's why I'm so perplexed,
05:27because I'll say it a third time this show.
05:30If you're still up in the air of starting him,
05:33why are you taking my call in the first place?
05:36So I'll just get on the phone.
05:39Who the hell's the guy down there?
05:41Nick Casario.
05:42I'll just get on the phone with Casario after this.
05:43They're not starting him.
05:44You don't got to worry about this.
05:47Trade me Shador.
05:48No.
05:48Why?
05:49We might start him.
05:51Kay, you're not sure though, right?
05:52Yeah.
05:53And you're picking up the phone to answer my phone about trading Shador.
05:55Well, yeah, kind of.
05:56Okay, goodbye.
05:57I call up Nick Casario and go, it's going to be Deshaun on Sunday.
06:002-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
06:02Paul in Fort Lauderdale.
06:04You're first up on the fan.
06:04Hello.
06:05Good morning, gentlemen.
06:06Good morning, Paul.
06:07So I'm going to agree with you, Ken, about continuity, but I'm going to bring numbers
06:12like I always do when I call you guys in the morning.
06:14Yeah, why not?
06:14We were 5-3.
06:16And you could argue we were a muffed snap away from being 6-2 in that monsoon in New York.
06:22Okay.
06:22Yeah, remember, Deshaun pulled him from behind in that game, and his receivers were dropping
06:26passes left and right.
06:28Correct.
06:29And nothing taken away from Shador, because he finished the day 19-31, 61% completion for 297.
06:37However, had we kicked the field goal at the end of the first half, we wouldn't be lining
06:42up to kick a game-tying field goal at the end.
06:44We would be lining up for a game-winning field goal.
06:46And if overtime does not exist, where Deshaun went 6-of-8 for 69 yards, he would have finished
06:53the day at 13-of-23 for 56.5% completion, 228 yards, and one touchdown.
07:01Deshaun, the last two games, under heavy duress in Pittsburgh, even though we only mustered six
07:06points, but under that brutal attack, he completed 69% of his passes for 324 yards, and didn't
07:13need an extra frame to go over 300.
07:15And the previous week, he would 69% again for 308 yards.
07:20So I think...
07:21He's been accurate.
07:22He's been way more accurate than I've seen him in a bronze uniform.
07:24Who?
07:25Deshaun Watson.
07:26Okay.
07:26Because he was woefully inaccurate the three years before.
07:30Well, I...
07:30Honestly, I'm fine with everything you're saying, Paul.
07:33And obviously, we agree with each other, and thank you very much for the call.
07:35He had a lot of garbage time against Pittsburgh.
07:36We gotta be honest.
07:37Who, Deshaun Watson?
07:37Yeah.
07:38Yeah, of course there was.
07:39But ultimately, like, I don't like the whole coulda, woulda, shoulda thing, because I just
07:42think you're gonna drive yourself crazy.
07:44The numbers, I'm...
07:44Hey, Paul, that's great.
07:45But like, well, we were a muff snap away from beating the Jets.
07:50Yeah, well, if Derrick Henry doesn't fumble, do we beat the Baltimore Ravens?
07:53And if we don't beat the Baltimore Ravens, you're sitting there at, what, three and
07:59three at that moment, if I'm not mistaken, so then all of a sudden we were having different
08:03conversations moving forward.
08:06Like, when you play the coulda, woulda, shoulda game, the butterfly effect...
08:10Oh, absolutely.
08:10You wanna get...
08:11Paul wants to give numbers.
08:12That's fine.
08:12That's fine.
08:13Like, sometimes I get a little bit bogged down by numbers, but there's a lot of cause
08:17and effect for all this stuff, man.
08:18I think Paul's saying there's no...
08:20Just like I'm saying, there's no team that is benching their starting quarterback under
08:27the circumstances we just talked about.
08:29Yeah.
08:30It's just not happening.
08:31And that's exactly what we're all saying.
08:33And you know what?
08:34Even if Shador Sanders was a first-round pick this past year, that would not be a move.
08:40The whole thing, look at the Raiders.
08:42Like, you know, there's a debate about whether they're trading Cousins, whether they...
08:47At what point they're going to Mendoza.
08:49But they would not...
08:51The Browns would not do that even if he was a first-round pick this year.
08:55He would not be...
08:55Not a fifth-round pick the year before.
08:58I'm kind of laughing that this is even a discussion.
09:01And the only thing I could think of is it's just...
09:03It's Watson.
09:04So he's been so bad in years past.
09:06He's been so hated by the fan base.
09:08But those same fans have been cheering him, even on the road.
09:12The Browns fans that had gone on the road in Tennessee, they were cheering him.
09:16I think you do have with Shador.
09:18You have a better chance for that family type of thing when it comes to fan bases.
09:23When you make a trade for a guy and you give him so much money and there's obviously the baggage,
09:28it's very business.
09:29Yeah.
09:30So it's like, if you win, we'll cheer for you.
09:32If you don't, life is going to be hell on earth in this area.
09:35But even then...
09:36And it was for the longest time.
09:37What was your phone doing?
09:38With Shador, I think there'd be a little bit more understanding.
09:39I would think so too, but what were...
09:41A lot more understanding.
09:42What were the texts and tweets you were getting for two and a half hours during the Shador experience?
09:46I'd really rather not get into them.
09:48They were...
09:48I don't answer the texts during the game.
09:50And these are not Shador haters.
09:51These were not Shador haters at all.
09:53I'll answer texts during the show, but not during the game.
09:54These were people that were like, this is not NFL product.
09:59Like, look at Todd.
10:00Look how mad Todd is.
10:01That's why...
10:02Do you guys find it interesting?
10:03I forgot to ask Jason about this.
10:06Did you hear...
10:06Call his ass up again.
10:07Did you hear the term Todd used to talk about how Shador did with operations on Sunday?
10:13It was a term that did not match the facial expressions and the screaming of Todd Munkin during the first
10:21three quarters of that game.
10:21No, I saw him scream at Quinchon Judkins.
10:24He did.
10:25Even Logan Ryan brought up how furious he was with Shador about operations for most of that game.
10:32Did you hear the term...
10:33Owen, did you catch it?
10:34Was it excellent?
10:35It was elite.
10:36Elite.
10:36That one did not match.
10:38That did not match.
10:39Are you accusing Todd of being a teller of tall tales?
10:42Which is fine.
10:43He's done that with Deshaun this year, too.
10:46He said things that he couldn't possibly have met.
10:48I've always said they never need to tell us the truth.
10:50I never...
10:51You do not have to tell the truth.
10:52But it's when the praise is so over the top that you're like, has he been instructed to say certain
10:58things?
10:59Maybe Deshaun is elite.
11:01There's two elites there.
11:02Right.
11:04You know, I told you about Mr. Jackson.
11:05He used to order the pizza, and it was very, very, very well done.
11:08And he would tell you that's three varies down in Canton.
11:11I mean, when you have a quarterback that, you know, had some problems with a handoff at the goal line
11:16on a pretty big play that could have been the difference in the game,
11:18and he used the term elite, that's just not what a head coach would say when that's the case.
11:24Let me go to Rob in Sagamore Hills.
11:28You're next up on the fan.
11:30Hey, guys.
11:31Thank you for taking my call, first of all.
11:33But I'm not a...
11:35Yeah.
11:35And I'm not a Browns fan, but I don't wish the Browns ill.
11:38Okay.
11:38I'd like to see them win because it's good for the area.
11:41I appreciate you.
11:42Go ahead.
11:42Yeah.
11:43Okay.
11:44Here's my take, and I think it's a simple one.
11:47If Watson hadn't gotten hurt the week before, if he didn't get concussed, who would have started against the Saints?
11:54Deshaun Watson.
11:56Yes.
11:56So why change?
11:58Put him back in to start this week.
12:01You still got Sanders if you need him, and he played well, I think.
12:06But Watson has deserved the spot.
12:10He earned it in camp, and, you know, if he hadn't gotten hurt, he would have played anyway.
12:16So I don't know what the big discussion is here in Cleveland.
12:19I wish I could tell you there's no big discussion.
12:21I'd love it.
12:22But when a coach comes out and says he doesn't have an answer for who's to start, you know, we
12:26do tend to freak out.
12:27You know what?
12:27It was only Monday, and maybe he hadn't had a chance to talk to Shador one-on-one without anybody
12:36around to explain to him why he was going to go back to Watson.
12:39Maybe that's it.
12:41Wait another day.
12:42Guys, you only have to wait.
12:44It's only Tuesday.
12:46You only have to wait another day.
12:47You don't make a decision.
12:48He's a good coach.
12:49But I do have a trade deadline now.
12:51Like, so, and if I got Justina saying it.
12:54Okay.
12:55Yeah.
12:55But let me just say that about this.
12:57Okay.
12:57I would not trade Sanders.
12:59He hasn't had enough playing time to show his true ability.
13:03I think he could be the – and by the way, you don't want to trade him if you don't
13:08end up signing Watson.
13:09Now you've got Sanders to win the job, and maybe you draft a quarterback, or you elevate the guys.
13:16You elevate Gabriel and the other guy that I don't even know his name.
13:20But you see my point.
13:22You don't trade Sanders.
13:23And somebody said it.
13:25One of you guys said it earlier.
13:26What are you really going to get for him?
13:28Not much.
13:28A fifth-round draft pick or something?
13:30Robby, you got a lot of common sense, man.
13:33I thank you very much for the call.
13:34Not even a Browns fan.
13:35It's just what he just said makes sense.
13:37Isn't that why he was able to have common sense?
13:39He didn't pick one quarterback in a vicious battle tracking every throw in training camp.
13:44Yeah, but it would be – if he were a non-Browns fan, it would be easier for him to
13:47just dump on Deshaun Watson,
13:48considering all the things of history with Deshaun Watson.
13:51That's what I'm saying, though.
13:52So he's just looking at it from a football sense, and it's what he says is right.
13:55Had Deshaun Watson not got a concussion, he would have been the starter.
13:58The fans were too dug in throughout training camp, watching every throw and making definitive conclusions
14:05and going after the media members that might have favored one over the other.
14:09Like, it does take somebody that's impartial to be able to have a call with common sense.
14:14It's almost like a QB tracker on the internet.
14:15It's not a good thing.
14:17Todd kind of made fun of it the entire training camp.
14:19The head coach made fun of it, too.
14:21But you guys were slaves to it.
14:24I wasn't.
14:25I don't know why they did it.
14:28Was there anybody else here who was, like, focused on the QB tracker?
14:33Here?
14:33I thought everybody was a little over.
14:36I mean, they were.
14:37The afternoon show was giving percentages on the air every day.
14:40That's.
14:40And saying that Shador was ahead of Deshaun based on those percentages.
14:45I expect football people to be better than that.
14:47I didn't hear him do that.
14:48I'm not going to accuse them of that.
14:49If they did that, then that's.
14:51They called the coach a liar every day and gaslighting every day over that stuff.
14:55Because of the percentages of throws and camp and drills.
14:59Are you sure Nick and Jonathan said that?
15:01We talked about it endlessly.
15:03That I don't remember.
15:04Oh, yeah.
15:04We'd like to forget some of that.
15:07What do I have here?
15:08Oh, we have another box.
15:10What's in the box?
15:12Oh, boy.
15:13Coming up in five minutes as well as.
15:15Are we blaming the wrong guy?
15:17Nobody's going to beat Beaumont, by the way, in the What's in the Box so far.
15:20We've had some good competition.
15:22Almost, I just accidentally opened it up.
15:24All right.
15:24We opened it up in five.
15:25So far, Beaumont is in the lead.
15:26We opened it up in five on the.