00:00People are going, what year is it who, according to John, is in the sport of football?
00:08I looked it up. He plays for the Sioux City Bandits in indoor football.
00:12I jumped John's ass because I was like, there's no way he's still playing football.
00:16He was just looking at Wikipedia. I go, they have a website. Let's look at the website.
00:20And there he is. He's on the roster, number zero on the Sioux City Bandits.
00:24Justin Gilbert. Now, Justin Herbert, would you trade for Justin Herbert?
00:29And my answer was, nah.
00:32If the price is only, if it starts at two first-round picks, I can't.
00:39Because it's the same issue. I have the same issue.
00:41I need guys around him, and you would have wide receivers around him.
00:46I need offensive line play around him.
00:50I really don't want to give up first-round picks in consecutive years ever again.
00:55I don't want to do any of that again.
00:57So, I got to tell you, I'm pretty much out on Justin Herbert tone, unless you feel differently.
01:02I just wanted to go over this.
01:03Can you talk me into it?
01:04I made the same mistake doing this with Deshaun Watson.
01:09Would you like to know where Justin Herbert ranked in the world-famous Mike Sando tears?
01:15I was going to say Sagran rankings. Go ahead.
01:182021, he was ninth. This was after his first year in the league.
01:212022, fifth. 2023, fifth. 2024, tied for fifth.
01:272025, seventh. 2026, sixth.
01:30So, this is even better and more consistent than what Deshaun Watson, this is what the league thinks.
01:36It's a polling of coaches, GMs, scouts around the league.
01:41And so, that is why. That number there is why, especially after Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl last year,
01:48that there will be no shortage of teams.
01:51And smart teams, smart GMs who are desperate for a quarterback,
01:55who are looking at this upcoming draft class and saying,
01:59can't do it.
02:00Can't put my organization in that kind of flux over development of a quarterback
02:05that has a lot of flaws coming out of college.
02:07And when you compare these numbers to the potential bridge quarterbacks that could be available
02:14or the status quo on each and every one of those teams,
02:17I think there would be a bidding war for Justin Herbert's services, even after this year.
02:22It would probably be, and that's how much you're willing to give up.
02:25Are you willing to give up that much more?
02:26Because I'll tell you what,
02:29can you win eight or nine games with Deshaun Watson playing the way he is?
02:32Yeah, apparently.
02:33Okay.
02:34All right.
02:34Well, that's why I'm asking you here.
02:36Can you win eight or nine games with Deshaun Watson playing the way he is?
02:40And then, because the answer, this is why I can't make the trade right now, guys.
02:44I can't do it.
02:44And I don't think anybody really is able to.
02:47But you get to this off season, you win eight or nine games.
02:50Say you miss the post season.
02:53Don't you have more confidence in the young guys that he'd be playing around?
02:56So wouldn't you feel better about trading him, trading for Justin Herbert right now?
03:03Yeah, I think, I think.
03:05Or not, excuse me, then, then right now, I should say.
03:07So I think also part of that formula you have to take into consideration is,
03:12can Munkin do this with anybody?
03:13And if he can do it with anybody, if he can do it with Deshaun Watson,
03:16then why do we have to trade for somebody?
03:19Why can't we just sign at a very, a very more cost-effective level,
03:26a bridge quarterback veteran that could do these same things and save us $30 million,
03:32$20 million?
03:34I know it's tough, though.
03:35It is very, very tough.
03:37Well, is the veteran going to be able to just come in and do that for you
03:40or anything like that?
03:41Or for a cheap price, is he going to be able to do that?
03:44I'm not sure.
03:46Deshaun in Cleveland, if I can get the mouse here.
03:49Deshaun, you're first up on the fan.
03:50Hello.
03:51What's going on?
03:53Listen, if you got some idiots out there that are having bad years or a bad time
03:59and they want to trade their franchise quarterback, we got to take advantage of it.
04:04So we're looking at the Chargers.
04:06I'm calling Baltimore, and I'm calling Philly.
04:08And I'm giving up two first-round picks for either one of those quarterbacks.
04:12Our first two next year.
04:14For Lamar, if they want to be idiots.
04:17If they want to do it in the NBA.
04:18You're going to give up two first-round picks for Jalen Hurts?
04:20What do you mean?
04:21What?
04:23You think Jalen Hurts, some average coach, you think he's a Super Bowl winner?
04:27And I know he had a great team, but he's a Super Bowl winner.
04:30So is Nick Fultz.
04:31Don't give me Super Bowl winner as an argument.
04:33Look at Denver down there winning with that bump.
04:36He's a bum.
04:36I didn't say he was good.
04:38I didn't say he was good.
04:39I'm not giving up two first-round picks for Jalen Hurts, though.
04:42I don't mind Jalen Hurts.
04:44I think he's better than Bo Nix.
04:46But you would for Lamar or Herbert.
04:49I just said I wouldn't give up my two first-round picks next year for Justin Herbert.
04:52But it's crazy.
04:53And I also said I wouldn't do that for Justin Gilbert.
04:57I heard that.
04:58Yeah, it was dumb.
04:59Listen, you've got to take advantage of this.
05:01If there's a team that want to give up a quarterback, and you can give up a two first-round
05:03picks,
05:04you don't think Herbert's a franchise quarterback?
05:07I've got to tell you, I don't know anymore.
05:10I'm really down on him, man.
05:11I'm really down on him.
05:12We can agree on this.
05:14We can agree on this.
05:15That organization stinks.
05:18I'm sorry.
05:20We're five and three, and I'm feeling really good.
05:22Have we been aired out yet, our organization?
05:25No, our organization's fine.
05:27We're not like you.
05:28Come on.
05:28I think we're better.
05:29I think our organization's better than Chargers.
05:30They may have put nothing around Herbert, if you ask me.
05:33Sorry.
05:34Look at Sam Darner out there with the Jets.
05:36Horrible organization.
05:37As soon as he goes to a good organization, he's better.
05:39I mean, I'm sorry.
05:40You've got to take a chance on Herbert if you can get him.
05:42But I'd rather have Lamar Jackson.
05:44Sorry.
05:44I'd rather go get him.
05:45Well, yeah, but they're never trading him in the division.
05:47You have a better chance of resurrecting someone from the dead than getting Lamar Jackson.
05:52Two first-round picks and the child watching.
05:54If they're willing to give you Lamar Jackson and any modicum, I'm terrified of Lamar Jackson's health.
06:00There is no way on earth the Baltimore Ravens are trading us Lamar Jackson.
06:04You know that, and I know that.
06:07You know that, and I know that.
06:09Yeah, you do know that.
06:11Let's not be silly with each other.
06:12You better go at it.
06:13You've got to make a call.
06:14I'm sorry.
06:15Yeah, you can call you on.
06:16They'll laugh their ass off and hang up on you.
06:18Well, we'll get hung up on.
06:22Dickshot, thank you for the call.
06:24They'll just laugh their ass off and hang up on you.
06:26There's no way in hell they'll trade him to us.
06:29Now, in Lamar's 30, there's going to be...
06:31See, I hate doing this because you're the one who said this the best.
06:35I hate being this way, I should say.
06:36I love doing this.
06:37This is fun.
06:38But you're the one who said this the best.
06:40It's so easy to say no to everybody.
06:42It's so easy to say you're afraid of everybody.
06:45Like I told you before, you've come after me going, who are the guys you like, Kenny?
06:49Somehow there's guys who end up being good every year, and you say no to who are the guys you
06:54like.
06:54And I get that.
06:55Somebody called me out for it yesterday, too.
06:57And I had to agree with them.
06:58I go, yeah, there's guys who I have to like right now, and I have to fall in love with
07:01them by the end of the year.
07:01It's only the beginning of November.
07:03So where am I going to be with some of the guys in the draft?
07:07Where am I going to be with some tradable guys coming up later?
07:09I still have holes.
07:10I still have a young football team.
07:12And so that's why I'm thinking, man, in January, I might be feeling a hell of a lot better.
07:16Because I still think some people are like, hey, this is a fun start, but I'm not sure where this
07:19thing's going to go.
07:19I could be feeling a hell of a lot better about this football team and their young players in January
07:23than I even do in November.
07:24So think about last year, over the last year, the last offseason, when we were accused of anybody but Shador,
07:31and we started mentioning quarterbacks.
07:32Just mentioning quarterbacks got us in trouble.
07:34But they were Malik Willis.
07:36He's actually had a couple decent games lately, but still not.
07:39Not horrific.
07:41I don't think he's horrific.
07:41But not an answer to any of your team's issues, right?
07:45Anthony Richardson was brought up, right?
07:49And then we got into the college kid who has a little bit of a problem with the ponies, Brennan
07:56Soresby, right?
07:57So we started going through it.
07:59You're not going to forget about him because he is going to be brought back to the forefront with this
08:02college class performing the way they are.
08:05So that was last offseason.
08:08That was last offseason.
08:10This offseason, what are the names we're going to be talking about?
08:13I mean, we joked about Spencer Rattler, but who are the names we're going to be talking about as the
08:18starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns next year, week one?
08:24You start to realize how difficult this is.
08:26This is not easy.
08:28It's not easy to just identify a bridge quarterback and say, that's our guy next year.
08:33Because right now, half the league is looking for a quarterback to start next year.
08:38Half the league.
08:39It's not good.
08:39I mean, quite seriously, it's half the league.
08:41So we are still on the same page.
08:43So you're competing with all these other teams.
08:44We're still on the same page with Justin Herbert, correct?
08:46Like, we are not giving that up.
08:48Not the terms that I've been given that we've been talking about so far.
08:52Three first-round picks.
08:53Yeah, Albert Breer said three first-round picks.
08:55And I go, no, I'm not going back into that.
08:57Because if I'm going to give up anything, I'll give up if you really needed to do it.
09:03Say that we get to the end of the year and the Browns are looking like, hey, there's some golden
09:07in their hills.
09:08And they could actually be a competitive football team here.
09:11But they might be a quarterback away.
09:13And they just continue to play Deshaun Watson.
09:15Because if they just continue to play Deshaun Watson in a competitive year, they clearly think he's the best of
09:19what they have, right?
09:20But if we don't think that he's going to be long for this area, or if we think we can
09:24get better, then I'm willing to give up anything in the next year.
09:28I can't be carrying this over three years from now the way it was with Deshaun Watson.
09:34Because that is honestly what almost got everybody fired and is what zapped a lot of passion from fans, is
09:40that you missed three years of first-round picks over a guy that you could barely play.
09:45And only now are we seeing anything.
09:47And even now I can't sit here and go, oh, man, he's so much better.
09:50He's so great.
09:51No, he's replacement-level QB.
09:53Coming up at 8 o'clock, we'll go around the AFC North.
09:56Coming up in five minutes, we're settling exactly where it needs to be settled.
10:00In the courtroom.
10:01And I know it hasn't worked out for this one team.
10:04I don't think we should go painting with broad brushes about the position in general.
10:09Ken Carman, Anthony Lyman, I'll tell you about both those things in five minutes on the fan.
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