00:00I'm not doing it.
00:00What was the other thing you wanted to bring up?
00:03I'm willing to do that.
00:04I'm not willing to do the other conversation.
00:07Well, you got to go to the pregame tweet from Zach Jackson.
00:13Oh, God.
00:14No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:15That's what I'm saying.
00:16No.
00:16Owen had a thing because Halloween is next Sunday, right?
00:19Or next Saturday.
00:20Halloween's next Saturday.
00:21That means Sunday morning they'll be walking into whatever they call it,
00:26stadium in Pittsburgh now.
00:28Eckersher.
00:29Sure.
00:30Eckersher.
00:31Sure.
00:31Sure.
00:33And for the first time in a decade,
00:35we won't see Myles Garrett in full regalia walking through in his costume,
00:40which means for the first time in a decade,
00:43we won't see Myles Garrett in the postgame in half of his costume,
00:47talking about how great his five sacks were in the 21-point loss.
00:53You know, when they won on Halloween and he was in Halloween costumes,
00:58it was great.
01:00You got to take the good with the bad.
01:02What I didn't understand.
01:03When he walked into that postgame press conference with a cape and a white t-shirt,
01:07because he forgot his regular clothes.
01:11He got so excited about the Halloween getup.
01:14Why did he not pick?
01:16Just don't wear the cape.
01:17You've got the white t-shirt.
01:18Just leave the cape.
01:18Well, no, he was that confident that they were going to win.
01:22So he knew all he had to do was wear his getup.
01:25All he had to do was wear his costume.
01:27To me, it was almost the equivalent of the videos of the 80s where you saw people like doing the
01:32news
01:33and they would wear like Halloween costumes doing the news and they'd have to talk about two dead on the
01:37east side
01:38while a woman has her face painted green and is wearing a witch's hat.
01:41That was wild.
01:43To me, it was the football equivalent.
01:45You go out there, you get beat, and then Miles has to come in and do a press conference.
01:49He looks like he just got done trick-or-treating and he's talking about the crunch bars that he got.
01:54Maybe he doesn't like Whoppers and he wants to give away the Whoppers.
01:56Maybe he gives away full-size bars.
02:01I think Miles Garrett should give away full-size candy bars.
02:04But that's beside the point.
02:06I think Miles Garrett should give away comically big candy bars.
02:08I would much rather – you can't – guys, you can't talk about this.
02:12We're going to get killed for it.
02:13You can't do it.
02:14Not today.
02:14Yeah, I don't want to do the other thing.
02:16Let's not do the other thing.
02:17The thing that Lima wants to talk about that I think is completely asinine if he brings it up.
02:21I wrote it down for later this week, maybe, before the game.
02:25If you bring it up, they're going to make a video and we're going to get killed for it.
02:28So, you don't even do it.
02:29Yeah.
02:30You can tell everybody what you were thinking about, but we're not going to have the conversation.
02:34Well, Zach Jackson framed it before the game and he was kind of joking around.
02:38No, he wasn't.
02:39But he was like, hey, getting excited for this game in Nashville because, of course, he was there at Nissan
02:43Stadium.
02:44And he called it a tryout for next year's Cleveland Browns quarterback room.
02:49And he's alluding to Cam Ward, who people are wondering on if Tennessee is going to give up on him.
02:55At the end of the year.
02:57People are wondering.
02:58That's a wonder?
02:59Well, that was probably Cam Ward's best game.
03:02Played a good defense.
03:04No, you're not doing this to me.
03:05That's how he ropes me into saying something.
03:07No, we're not having a conversation.
03:09Massive fourth down conversion.
03:10Not now.
03:10Not today.
03:11Not now.
03:11It ain't happening.
03:12Not doing it today.
03:12That quick release.
03:14That Mahomes-esque change of arm angle.
03:18When, Reese, when you make the video, let's make sure everybody knows this is tone.
03:23This is not me.
03:24Now, I brought it up a couple of weeks ago.
03:26This wasn't on a Browns victory Monday.
03:28You're going to make everybody upset.
03:30Because they're just going to say, typical negative tone.
03:32Typical negativity.
03:34You're going to make everybody upset and you're going to wonder why.
03:36Are we done?
03:37Let's just be done and talk about how great Deshaun Watson is.
03:40Okay?
03:41He was really, really good.
03:41We could have a Cam Ward conversation another day.
03:44He ain't going anywhere.
03:45And then we won't have to do the poll question.
03:47Who's more likely to be the Browns quarterback next year?
03:50Deshaun Watson or Cam Ward?
03:51We don't have to do that.
03:52John, if you do that, I'm saying we don't have to do that.
03:54John, if you do that poll on social media, I'm leaving early.
03:58I will walk out of here.
04:00I don't want him to put it up either.
04:01But if Keith supersedes him and puts it up, what am I to do?
04:05I can't threaten Keith with leaving early.
04:07He's my boss.
04:08Because that would be a poll question a lot of people would weigh in on.
04:12Stage a walkout.
04:12Stage a walkout over the poll question?
04:14No, I would just disavow the poll question.
04:17But if you think about it, there's a lot of people that hate Deshaun Watson's guts.
04:20They can't stomach rooting for him.
04:22They would pick Cam Ward.
04:24There are other people like our colleagues today.
04:27Anthony, don't do it.
04:27He almost got me.
04:28He almost got me.
04:29He almost got me.
04:29No, I'm not doing it.
04:30I'm not having it.
04:30What do you think the percentage would be, though?
04:31It wouldn't even be.
04:32Stop.
04:32But it's an either or.
04:34Stop having the conversation.
04:35So it's not like other.
04:35I'm not trying to have the conversation.
04:36Yeah, other is not going to be on that as a choice.
04:39He's saying things that make you participate.
04:42Because I would say I wouldn't care about it.
04:44I mean, what's done is done.
04:46Or what has been done in the past has been done in the past.
04:50I just want the better quarterback.
04:51So I would pick Deshaun Watson in that case.
04:54Would I not?
04:55See, but that's the point.
04:57He's making me say things.
04:58Then you'd have to sign up.
05:00That they're going to make it into a video.
05:01You'd have to make it a contract extension.
05:03Well, I don't care about money.
05:05He's not going to get $46 million.
05:06Because the cap hit would be so severe.
05:08All right, now we're talking about something of substance.
05:10Deshaun Watson, here we go.
05:11You're not going to pay him another $46 million playing like this.
05:15He needs his players around him.
05:17We're still in kind of quote-unquote cap hell.
05:20Wait, wait, wait a second.
05:21Wait a second.
05:22What did Baker just get?
05:26A hundred and some odd guaranteed.
05:28How many per year?
05:29How much per year?
05:30Like 50.
05:31And you realize he's statistically right now 32nd in almost every advanced metric in the NFL.
05:39Deshaun's like 20th.
05:40He is.
05:4155 per year.
05:42That is tied for third highest among the actors.
05:44So the Buccaneers decision.
05:46This Deshaun Watson is not worth $46 million?
05:48The Buccaneers decision is, wait a minute, the Buccaneers decision.
05:51The market's been reset, Kenneth.
05:52I'll say it again.
05:53Tampa Bay's bad decision dictates me making another deep investment?
05:59I think it's a going rate for quarterbacks now.
06:03For starting quarterbacks in the NFL?
06:05Going rate?
06:06I mean, what would be the franchise tag?
06:09Daniel Jones got like two years, didn't he?
06:12Why can't I put two years out there for him if it comes to work?
06:16Daniel Jones made 44 a year.
06:18This year?
06:19Yes.
06:20It was over a $100 million contract for two years if incentives, but it's 44 per year.
06:24The going rate of a starting quarterback right now in the NFL of a guy that can do this
06:29is like $40 plus million.
06:32I think we got to reset what we think about what quarterbacks make now because it's skyrocketed
06:38after the day that Deshaun Watson signed that contract.
06:41All these guys are making way more than that now.
06:43I can't believe Baker Mayfield found a way to cost me again.
06:47Found a way to do it.
06:48That's why when people talk about bridge quarterbacks and all that stuff, do you understand how much
06:52these guys are making?
06:53Well, this is your bridge quarterback.
06:57Who he's a bridge to right now, I don't know whether that's a bridge to, I think it'll
07:02be to Drew Mestemaker or any of those other guys.
07:04Is he a bridge to Shador Sanders in 2027?
07:09Earl brought it up over the weekend.
07:11I was like, that's a hell of a thought, Earl.
07:12Anthony, you asked, so it's my job to find it.
07:14Yep.
07:152026, the franchise tag for a quarterback was $43.8 million.
07:20It's projected $50.3 million.
07:22Yeah, jumps.
07:24Because all these guys are getting bigger deals.
07:27That's just a projection.
07:28But I'm not allowed to tag him for some odd reason.
07:30And there's something in there.
07:32Well, that's that $200 million if he's on the roster.
07:35Infinity money is what happens if you do that.
07:38What's infinity money?
07:39You can't even compute.
07:41Because you can't cut him and then tag him.
07:44Okay?
07:46But if you tag him and he's on the roster, then he gets the $200 million plus franchise
07:51tag.
07:51That's $250 million if you do the math.
07:55You have to pay him in frog's breath or something like that.
07:57So then, knowing all this information I just gave you, what would you weigh in if there
08:00was a hypothetical poll about who's more likely to be here?
08:04I'm telling you, don't do that.
08:05You don't need that.
08:06We don't need that in our lives.
08:07It's a Browns victory Monday.
08:09It's not a contemplate Cam Ward Monday and have everybody cuss us out Monday.
08:14That's not what it is.
08:15Okay?
08:16Leave that to the guys in the afternoon.
08:18Didn't somebody walk in and say they're so happy with this football team?
08:21It's the happiest they've been.
08:22And I am.
08:23And I don't want to mess that up.
08:24That's the other guy over there.
08:26Oh, thank you.
08:26I'm sorry.
08:27And now he wants to switch quarterbacks.
08:30That's this team this year.
08:30Don't do this.
08:31Why are you addicted to getting screamed at?
08:33That's this team this year.
08:34Why do you like to do this stuff?
08:36He wanted there to be a scenario where Cam Ward put on Deshaun's clothes and got on the
08:41airplane and flew back to Cleveland.
08:43That's all you do.
08:44You can't help it.
08:45You have to get us screamed at by any means necessary.
08:47In all honesty, all I was saying was I was impressed with Cam Ward yesterday.
08:52Against our defense, I was impressed.
08:53Okay, that's all that needs to be said.
08:53That's all.
08:54All right.
08:54And then if it gets brought up later, like after this year, we can say, well, you remember
08:59that game against us in week seven?
09:00And I'll say, yeah.
09:00Oh, wait.
09:01Malik Willis also had a good game yesterday.
09:04Bring him in.
09:05Wow.
09:05He's got a team.
09:06Well, wasn't he only 15 million a year?
09:09We can't get Deshaun for 15 million a year?
09:1115?
09:11That's it?
09:15I mean, you can't cut us a discount after the last four years?
09:19Willis is making 22 a year.
09:22Wait a minute.
09:22It's, I can't believe I'm doing it.
09:24You want to have a conversation?
09:25I'll have a conversation.
09:26$22 million is a hell of a lot easier to swing than 46.
09:29And I go, whoa, who stuck by you?
09:32Who stuck by you over the last four years?
09:35I'm sorry.
09:36We're going to have these discussions.
09:37You don't want to give us a discount now?
09:40$230 million guaranteed?
09:42Dealing with everybody cussing us out?
09:45You're talking about the Jose Ramirez discount?
09:47Who went?
09:48Who went?
09:49Well, I wouldn't put him in the same category as Jose Ramirez.
09:53Who went to the wedding?
09:54They're talking about things being there.
09:56We still went to your wedding.
09:57We still did all this, that, and the other.
09:59I think you can cut the Browns a little bit of slack, can't you?
10:03Give them a little.
10:03It's not just cutting the Browns slack, by the way.
10:05It's cutting your teammates more.
10:07You're giving them more of a share.
10:09It's a salary cap, meaning it goes to everybody.
10:11It's a pool for everybody.
10:13So all you're doing is, hey, you have parties.
10:15Why not show them in their pocketbooks?
10:17A little bit extra money for him.
10:18Now we're running a co-op.
10:19Isaiah McGuire still plays well.
10:21A little bit extra money for Isaiah McGuire.
10:23Who else is playing well that we've got to pay?
10:25Oh, wait.
10:26Now, Jared Verse had a good game.
10:27I know he doesn't show up in the sacks.
10:29Jared Verse had a good game.
10:30We're going to have to pay him after this year, are we not?
10:32You didn't trade him.
10:33Just let him go.
10:36Ah, now Kenny's making some sense.
10:39And at least we're talking about something tangible and not something that's going to get us cussed out.
10:43We can have that conversation later.
10:46It's, I'm fine to plant the seed.
10:48That's okay.
10:48But to have a real true, no.
10:50I'm telling you right now.
10:51We have gotten to enough games this year where it is forcing you to start to think about what's this
10:57situation?
10:58How is it going to unfold?
11:00I couldn't have dreamt that we'd have a discussion like this before the season started.
11:04After that Buffalo preseason game.
11:06Yeah.
11:07If you would have told me.
11:08Two months ago.
11:08That we'd be 5-2 and wondering, is this a guy who could be with us longer than three games
11:14this year or two games this year?
11:15Mm-hmm.
11:15Thank God he's the only quarterback on the roster that we have to talk about being with the team after
11:19this.
11:23Well, you both.
11:24It's like walking through a minefield with both of you.
11:28Coming up next, the dangerous one, Daryl Ryder.
11:32Oh, come on.
11:33I want to take this guy right now.
11:35Damn it, Owen.
11:36Can we take him before Daryl?
11:38On one?
11:39Yeah.
11:40Yep.
11:40Can I take him now?
11:41Yep.
11:42All right.
11:42Hello, Matt.
11:44Hey, good morning, guys.
11:45Hey, I just want to let you know that you guys are jackasses for even contemplating.
11:49I'm bringing that guy in here.
11:50We just made him look like a fool in his own stadium, and you guys want to talk about it.
11:54Wait, wait, wait.
11:54There you go, Tony.
11:55There you go, Tony.
11:55Wait, who looked like a fool?
11:56That's what you get.
11:59Yeah.
12:00Wait, who?
12:00We just beat him in his own stadium, and you guys want to bring him.
12:02You're talking about bringing him in here.
12:04No, no, but you said made him look like a fool.
12:05I thought he made our defense look pretty vulnerable.
12:08What was the final score?
12:10Oh, Matt.
12:11Matt, wait a minute.
12:12Yeah, Matt, we beat Tom Brady once.
12:14You wouldn't have taken Tom Brady?
12:15We beat Drew Brees once.
12:17You want to bring this guy in?
12:18Yeah.
12:19Okay.
12:20Well, Matt, you want to bring this guy in?
12:23Okay, but you're – well, see, now you're getting me to argue because your argument is senseless.
12:27Just because they won, that doesn't matter.
12:29Again, we beat Tom Brady once.
12:31We beat Drew Brees once.
12:32You wouldn't have taken any of those during those years?
12:33Congratulations, Anthony.
12:34He's on your side now.
12:36You know what?
12:37I'm just going to turn the Odyssey app off because you guys are ruining the Browns victory Monday.
12:41No, you're not.
12:41You won't.
12:42You aren't.
12:43I guarantee you're not.
12:44I promise you you're not because you're definitely going to want to hear your phone call.
12:48There's not a chance.
12:50That's what you get, though.
12:51After that.
12:51I told you.
12:51You know what?
12:52I deserve that.
12:52I told you.
12:53I did deserve it.
12:53That is my fault.
12:54I walked into that one.
12:56You know what they say.
12:57For every Odyssey app you turn off, two more turn on.
13:00It's true.
13:01I just turned mine on.
13:03I just need one more.
13:04In five minutes, Daryl Ryder is going to join us.
13:06Yeah, he's canceling it out like we're voting.
13:09Coming up next.
13:10Me and my wife do that every year.
13:11The dangerous one, Daryl Ryder.
13:15And we'll do it again next week.
13:17But who voted for who?
13:18All right, Daryl Ryder going to join us in five minutes.
13:21How good did he think Deshaun Watson played yesterday?
13:25I gave him a nice, solid B.
13:26Ken Carman, Anthony Lyman.
13:27Take us with you to work on the free Odyssey app,
13:29which you're not really turning off.
